Revelations From The Torture Report – CIA Lies, Nazi Methods And The $81 Million No-Bid Torture Contract

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Revelations From The Torture Report – CIA Lies, Nazi Methods And The $81 Million No-Bid Torture Contract

After initially helping to devise the “enhanced interrogation” efforts, they were designated as the only two contractors allowed to oversee these interrogations at sites around the world. In 2005, they formed a company to receive contracts from the CIA. According to the Senate report, the base value of their contract in 2006 was in excess of $180 million.

By the time the CIA terminated their contract in 2009, the consulting firm founded by the two men had collected $81 million in taxpayer money. In May of that year,ProPublica reported, the firm abruptly gave up the lease on its Spokane, Washington, headquarters and disconnected the phone.

Still, according to the Senate report, the CIA will provide $5 million in indemnity costs to the firm to cover all legal expenses for potential criminal prosecution and investigations through 2021.

– From the Huffington Post article: Architects Of CIA Torture Program Raked In $81 Million, Report Reveals

 

One of the greatest propaganda successes of the consolidated and corporate owned mainstream media in the US. has been the ability to convince many naive Americans that people with fascist tendencies do not exist in our society, and it they do, they certainly don’t occupy the highest halls of power.

One of the key points I try to get across in my writing is that the sociopathic mindset knows no borders, and a society that ignorantly believes that its “leadership” consists of good people with a moral high ground is a society of sheep primed for slaughter. Not only do fascist types exist at the highest levels of the U.S. status quo, the smart ones will typically do everything they can to attain such positions. Why?

As I noted recently in the post, In Great Britain, Protecting Pedophile Politicians is a Matter of “National Security”:

I’ve long written about how the percentage of sociopaths within a group of humans becomes increasingly concentrated the higher you climb within the positions of power in a society, with it being most chronic amongst those who crave political power.

 

The reason for this is obvious. Those with the sickest minds, and who wish to act upon their destructive fantasies, understand that they can most easily get away with their deeds if they are protected by an aura of power and ostensible respectability. They believe that as a result of their status, no one would dare accuse them of horrific activities, and if it ever came to that, they could quash any investigation.

One of the reasons the Senate “Torture Report” is so important, is that it forces Americans to confront the fascists and torture profiteers in their midst. Without this report, allegations of wrongdoing at the top of the U.S. status quo can be easily dismissed as “conspiracy theory.” Hopefully, now that we have some proof, we can start to meaningfully confront the cancer metastasizing within our society.

This post will be spilt into three separate parts, each of which will zero in on a separate aspect of what we have learned from the report. The first part goes back to an article in the Atlantic from 2007 titled: “Verschärfte Vernehmung.” Verschärfte Vernehmung in German translates to something like “enhanced interrogation”, and the article explains the disturbing similarities of what the U.S. government is doing to what the Nazis did in Germany a generation ago. First take a look at the following:

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More from The Atlantic:

The phrase “Verschärfte Vernehmung” is German for “enhanced interrogation”. Other translations include “intensified interrogation” or “sharpened interrogation”. It’s a phrase that appears to have been concocted in 1937, to describe a form of torture that would leave no marks, and hence save the embarrassment pre-war Nazi officials were experiencing as their wounded torture victims ended up in court. The methods, as you can see above, are indistinguishable from those described as “enhanced interrogation techniques” by the president. As you can see from the Gestapo memo, moreover, the Nazis were adamant that their “enhanced interrogation techniques” would be carefully restricted and controlled, monitored by an elite professional staff, of the kind recommended by Charles Krauthammer, and strictly reserved for certain categories of prisoner. At least, that was the original plan.

 

Also: the use of hypothermia, authorized by Bush and Rumsfeld, was initially forbidden. ‘Waterboarding” was forbidden too, unlike that authorized by Bush. As time went on, historians have found that all the bureaucratic restrictions were eventually broken or abridged. Once you start torturing, it has a life of its own. The “cold bath” technique – the same as that used by Bush against al-Qahtani in Guantanamo – was, according to professor Darius Rejali of Reed College, In Norway, we actually have a 1948 court case that weighs whether “enhanced interrogation” using the methods approved by president Bush amounted to torture. The proceedings are fascinating, with specific reference to the hypothermia used in Gitmo, and throughout interrogation centers across the field of conflict. The Nazi defense of the techniques is almost verbatim that of the Bush administration…

 

Freezing prisoners to near-death, repeated beatings, long forced-standing, waterboarding, cold showers in air-conditioned rooms, stress positions [Arrest mit Verschaerfung], withholding of medicine and leaving wounded or sick prisoners alone in cells for days on end – all these have occurred at US detention camps under the command of president George W. Bush. Over a hundred documented deaths have occurred in these interrogation sessions. The Pentagon itself has conceded homocide by torture in multiple cases. Notice the classic, universal and simple criterion used to define torture in 1948. 

 

What I am reporting is a simple empirical fact: the interrogation methods approved and defended by this president are not new. Many have been used in the past. The very phrase used by the president to describe torture-that-isn’t-somehow-torture – “enhanced interrogation techniques” – is a term originally coined by the Nazis. The techniques are indistinguishable. The methods were clearly understood in 1948 as war-crimes. The punishment for them was death.

Back in 2007 when that Atlantic article was written, a large percentage of people were willing to give the U.S. government and the CIA the benefit of the doubt. That’s not the case today, which is why I am hopeful that the Senate report, along with the Snowden revelations, will ultimately force the public to admit to itself it has been propagandized and things aren’t as they are told on the television set. Only if we know there is a problem can we start to fix it.

With that concerning introduction out of the way, let’s move on to some of the conclusions reached by the Intercept upon analyzing the report. We learn that:

For the CIA officials involved in torture, one thing was clear from the very beginning: The only way they would be forgiven for what they did was if they could show it had saved lives.

It was the heart of their rationale. It was vital to public acceptance. It was how they would avoid prosecution.

Specifically, they pointed out: “states may be very unwilling to call the U.S. to task for torture when it resulted in saving thousands of lives.”

And so, when the tragically predictable sequence of events began to unfold – and torture, as it always has, produced false confessions and little to no intelligence of value – admitting that it had failed was not even an option.

Instead, those involved made up stories of success.

They insisted that Abu Zubaydah was a top al Qaeda figure who, only after being waterboarded, provided information that foiled a major attack on the U.S. – even though Zubaydah wasn’t in al Qaeda, the plot was a farce, and the only related information he provided came before he was tortured.

They cast Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s false confessions as deadly threats, then announced they had been thwarted.

They viciously brutalized people, some of them entirely innocent, and described what they were doing as an art and a science.

There are no indications the CIA is ready to turn things around, of course. CIA Director John Brennan went to extraordinary lengths to  stymie and discredit the investigation. And now, he is rebuffing its conclusions.

There are descriptions of sleep deprivation that “involved keeping detainees awake for up to 180 hours, usually standing or in stress positions, at times with their hands shackled above their heads.”

The report identifies 26 detainees, out of the CIA’s 119 in total, who the agency itself determined should never have been held at all. That unfortunate group includes “Abu Hudhaifa, who was subjected to ice water baths and 66 hours of standing sleep deprivation before being released because the CIA discovered he was likely not the person he was believed to be,” and “Nazir Ali, an ‘intellectually challenged’ individual whose taped crying was used as leverage against his family member.”

A particular sore point is the inaccurate information the CIA fed to Congress. First CIA officials disavowed torture, and promised that the Senate Intelligence Committee would be notified about every individual detained by the CIA. Then came the misinformation and the outright subterfuge.

A 2005 proposal from Senator Carl Levin to establish an independent commission to investigate detainee abuse, for instance, “resulted in concern at the CIA that such a commission would lead to the discovery of videotapes documenting CIA interrogations.” As a result, the CIA destroyed them.

Hayden told the Senate Intelligence committee: “Punches and kicks are not authorized and have never been employed.” But interviews conducted for two CIA internal reviews described the treatment of Gul Rahman, the detainee was died at the Salt Pit. One witness stated:

[T]here were approximately five CIA officers from the renditions team… they opened the door of Rahman’s cell and rushed in screaming and yelling for him to “getdown.” They dragged him outside, cut off his clothes and secured him with Mylar tape. They covered his head with a hood and ran him up and down a long corridor adjacent to his cell. They slapped him and punched him several times… a couple of times the punches were forceful. As they ran him along the corridor, a couple of times he fell and they dragged him through the dirt (the floor outside of the cells is dirt). Rahman did acquire a number of abrasions on his face, legs, and hands, but nothing that required medical attention. (This may account for the abrasions found on Rahman’s body after his death. Rahman had a number of surface abrasions on his shoulders, pelvis, arms, legs, and face.)

But the report provides new, horrifying details about what it calls COBALT – the notorious Salt Pit facility in Afghanistan, that one CIA official described as a “dungeon.”

The CIA kept few formal records of the detainees in its custody at COBALT. Untrained CIA officers at the facility conducted frequent, unauthorized, and unsupervised interrogations of detainees using harsh physical interrogation techniques that were not—and never became—part of the CIA’s formal “enhanced” interrogation program. The CIA placed a junior officer with no relevant experience in charge of COBALT. On November [REDACTED], 2002, a detainee who had been held partially nude and chained to a concrete floor died from suspected hypothermia at the facility.

Most notably, CIA “headquarters” informed DOJ and White House officials in July 2002 that Abu Zubaydah’s interrogation team believed he possessed information on terrrorists and terrorist threats in the U.S. “The CIA officials further represented that the interrogation team had concluded that the use of more aggressive methods ‘is required to persuade Abu Zubaydah to provide the critical information needed to safeguard the lives of innumerable innocent men, women, and children within the United States and abroad,’ and warned ‘countless more Americans may die unless we can persuade AZ to tell us what he knows.’”

But according to the CIA cables the Senate investigators reviewed, the interrogation team had not made any such determination — quite the contrary. They wrote that they were operating under the assumption that Zubaydah was “not holding back actionable information concerning threats to the United States beyond that which [he] has already provided.”

In 2003, George W. Bush’s included the following language:.

The United States is committed to the world-wide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example. I call on all governments to join with the United States and the community of law-abiding nations in prohibiting, investigating, and prosecuting all acts of torture and in undertaking to prevent other cruel and unusual punishment. I call on all nations to speak out against torture in all its forms and to make ending torture an essential part of their diplomacy.

But when then-CIA general counsel John Rizzo heard about that statement – along with a quote from White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan that all prisoners being held by the U.S. government were being treated “humanely” — he panicked.

Rizzo wanted to make sure this didn’t represent a change in policy.

He called John Bellinger, then the legal advisor to the National Security Council, to “express our surprise and concern at some of the statements.”

Rizzo told his CIA colleagues that it “might well be appropriate for us to seek written reaffirmation by some senior White House official that the Agency’s ongoing practices… are to continue.”

CIA director George Tenet then sent a memo to National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice seeking reaffirmation of White House support because “recent Administration responses to inquiries and resulting media reporting about the Administration’s position have created the impression that these [interrogation] techniques are not used by U.S. personnel and are no longer approved as a policy matter.”

Not coincidentally, it was right about then that the CIA started making a major effort internally to build the case that what they had been doing was effective.

But the convoluted story Bush told was completely untrue and unsupported. The CIA “validated” the claim with a June 2003 cable, leaving out any mention of a March 2003 cable which showed that information about the alleged plot, such as it was, actually came out before KSM said anything.

“Terrorists held in CIA custody have also provided information… [that] they helped stop a plot to hijack passenger planes and fly them into Heathrow or the Canary Wharf in London,” Bush said.

But according to Senate investigators:

A review of records indicates that the Heathrow Airport and Canary Wharf plotting had not progressed beyond the initial planning stages when the operation was fully disrupted with the detentions of Ramzi bin al-Shibh, KSM, Ammar-al-Baluchi, and Khallad bin Attash. None of these individuals were captured as a result of reporting obtained during or after the use of the CIA’s enhanced interrogation techniques against CIA detainees.

Furthermore, CIA operational cables and other records showed “that the use of the CIA’s enhanced interrogation techniques played no role in the identification of Jose Padilla or the thwarting” of any plot. When Zubaydah provided information on a “dirty bomb” attack, he didn’t identify Padilla by name – and in any case, whatever he did say was while talking to the FBI, three months before the CIA started torturing him. And the CIA first heard about Padilla from a foreign government, the report states.

This is why you don’t trust people who in many cases lie and deceive for a living to tell the truth.

Just in case all that wasn’t bad enough, it has also come to light to two individuals seen as the masterminds of the torture program made $81 million from it. They were also in charge of overseeing the program’s effectiveness. You can’t make this stuff up. From the Huffington Post:

WASHINGTON — Two psychologists were paid $81 million by the CIA to advise on and help implement its brutal interrogation program targeting detainees in the war on terror, according to the Senate torture report summary released Tuesday.

The contract psychologists are identified with pseudonyms — Grayson Swigert and Hammond Dunbar — like most of the individuals named in the Senate Intelligence Committee’s report on the CIA program. Published reports dating back to 2007, however, identify the two men as James Elmer Mitchell and Bruce Jessen, both former members of the military.

BoingBoing also ran a story on James Mitchell, which includes a video interview of the man that can be found here.

The Senate report details how Swigert and Dunbar traveled the world for the CIA, devising and carrying out interrogations using tactics that meet widely accepted definitions of torture. The two men were also entrusted with judging whether their methods were successful. Not surprisingly, they reported to their CIA bosses that their methods were crucial to persuading prisoners to divulge high-value information.

Although Jessen has previously said that a confidentiality agreement prevents him from discussing his work for the CIA, the two men in 2007 issued a statement saying, “The advice we have provided, and the actions we have taken have been legal and ethical.” They added, “We are proud of the work we have done for our country.”

 

The report reveals that for Dunbar and Swigert, that work was also a cash cow.

 

After initially helping to devise the “enhanced interrogation” efforts, they were designated as the only two contractors allowed to oversee these interrogations at sites around the world. In 2005, they formed a company to receive contracts from the CIA. According to the Senate report, the base value of their contract in 2006 was in excess of $180 million.

No bid torture contract. Classy.

By the time the CIA terminated their contract in 2009, the consulting firm founded by the two men had collected $81 million in taxpayer money. In May of that year,ProPublica reported, the firm abruptly gave up the lease on its Spokane, Washington, headquarters and disconnected the phone.

 

Still, according to the Senate report, the CIA will provide $5 million in indemnity costs to the firm to cover all legal expenses for potential criminal prosecution and investigations through 2021. The firm has already received $1.1 million from the CIA to cover legal expenses, much of that related to interviews with the Senate Intelligence Committee. In addition, Swigert and Dunbar received payments of $1.5 million and $1.1 million, respectively, as individuals.

 

The company would come to employ an undisclosed number of former CIA officers (the figure is redacted in the report) while the torture program would ultimately be staffed largely by contractors. At least officially, this gave the CIA a certain distance from the brutality that was used. According to the report, contractors accounted for 85 percent of the program’s staff by 2008.

 

According to the Senate report, neither Swigert nor Dunbar had any relevant experience in traditional interrogation methods used by the CIA and the FBI. “Neither psychologist had experience as an interrogator, nor did either have specialized knowledge of al-Qa’ida, a background in terrorism, or any relevant regional, cultural, or linguistic expertise,” the report states.

 

This lack of experience was seen as bonus by the CIA as the two men were tasked with implementing a new form of interrogation.

The idea was to create a “level of helplessness” that induced the detainee to provide the desired information. As detailed in the report, tortured detainees often provided false information just to tell their captors something.

 

As early as 2003, the report shows that concerns were raised about the conflicts of interest that could arise when Dunbar and Swigert, who devised and monitored the aggressive techniques, were also tasked with judging their effectiveness. Essentially, the two were being paid to assess their own work, a practice that violated the CIA’s stated policy.

 

Conflicts of interest were “never more graphic,” the Senate report notes, than when Dunbar and Swigert performed all three phases of an interrogation. First, they “applied an [enhanced interrogation technique] which only they were approved to employ.” Second, they “judged both its effectiveness and detainee resilience.” And third, they “implicitly proposed continued use of the technique — at a daily compensation reported to be $1800/day, or four times that of interrogators who could not use the technique.”

Simply incredible. As I have said before,  pretty much EVERYTHING in the U.S. is a money-making racket.

Finally, the Huffington Post also reported on the fact that nearly 1 out of every four countries on earth participated in one way or the other in the U.S. torture. This revelation so scared Secretary of State John Kerry that:

Secretary of State John Kerry indicated before the Senate document was released that he is worried about the global outrage that could follow the report. For Kerry and other diplomats, the evidence revealed in the Senate document could prove critically embarrassing for friendly governments, vindicate the narrative that the U.S.’s human rights record is no better than those of its foes, and show that the U.S. is willing to throw partner nations under the bus.

This is sort of the point isn’t it. The U.S. government justifies all of its militaristic and other interventions overseas using this false narrative that it holds some sort of moral high ground. It should now be abundantly clear to everyone that this invented ethical position is a total fabrication.  

I can summarize my thoughts on this entire matter with the following tweet:

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SickDollar's picture

If I may add this very rich place to support this doc (nope it's not fiat money): http://cryptome.org/

 

kliguy38's picture

the psychologist was interviewed on NBC tonite, and he was a pure pychopath. he didn't even flinch when he was asked how he slept at night........."just fine".............sick mthrfocher

Anusocracy's picture

Idiot voter + evil government = state of the world.

RaceToTheBottom's picture

I am glad that the major instigator and apologist of CIA abuses, Dick Cheney, is still alive for people to spit on him in person.

 

Sometimes it is not enough to spit on their tombstones...

ACP's picture

This is news? The CIA has been doing this for decades. Operation Condor?

mjcOH1's picture

"the psychologist was interviewed on NBC tonite, and he was a pure pychopath. he didn't even flinch when he was asked how he slept at night........."just fine".............sick mthrfocher"

 

So.....at last count 136 live prisoners left at Guantanamo.

Oh....to be omniponent for a day......

gold-is-not-dead's picture

Not prosecuted, but rather eaten by hungry first. Then the new system could emerge.

J S Bach's picture

Never a comparison to the far more brutal and diabolic Bolshevik Cheka torture procedures.  Nah... nothing to see or remember here.  Only Nazis committed atrocites.  Got it, stupid?!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror

http://www.oocities.org/capitolhill/lobby/9559/cheka.html

Ondoron's picture

Of course the cheka was evil! That's not the point. Bolshevism and Nazism are two sides of the same medal. The point is, where the West with her "western values" is heading. The contradiction between official narrative and actual doing!

rwe2late's picture

JS Bach

Far more relevant than the claim that the USA is better than some of the historically worst brutal regimes would be a comparison of the USA nowadays to the most peaceful and least brutal regimes.

Setting the standards by the lowest possible bar one imagines only makes one equal to or hardly better than the very worst.

Obviously Psaki and others hold an arrogant and disdainful view of the world if they believe all the other nations of the world practice the same or worse brutality toward their prisoners. “We would put our record against any record around the world,” State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki

kowalli's picture

Until top guys are jailed it won't stop.

flacon's picture

How about untill they are executed

kowalli's picture

I accept this too, but we need to know everything so we can type a book about this, so people will remember in details...

p00k1e's picture

Make a daughter and name her, ‘Anne Frank’.  Things should really start getting edgy 10 years from now.

Kaiser Sousa's picture

its over...
u r now the prisoners of a police state the MoneyChangers control...
if u do not reject their script and their debt based currency paradigm by saving and accumulating physical Gold and Silver, then u too r the enemy...

DEATH TO THE MONEYCHANGERS.

shouldvekilledthem's picture

Physical metals are clunky, ineffective tools.

Bitcoin is the only viable alternative to the fiat system.

medium giraffe's picture

Only if you believe that internet access across private networks is a divine right, or if you don't believe in the possibility of power cuts.

shouldvekilledthem's picture

Everything requires infrastructure to function, so your point is moot.

 

Decentralization should be the motto of our times.

JustObserving's picture
7 Most Shocking Things in the CIA Torture Report

1. Some detainees died as a result of interrogation. 

2. The techniques were far more brutal than previously known. 

3. Other techniques used in addition to waterboarding. 

4. The CIA's use of its enhanced interrogation techniques was not an effective means of acquiring intelligence or gaining cooperation from detainees. 

5. The CIA lied about effectiveness. 

6. Inexperienced contract psychologists devised the techniques.

7. Those who were not suspects were interrogated.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/7-things-we-learned-new-report...

But perhaps as shocking as the events themselves is the response that the report has received. The architect of the War on Terror, George W Bush, has launched a counter offensive against the report. Backed up by his former vice president, Dick Cheney, who describes the report as ‘a crock’, and by the array of right wing talk shows which the US is burdened with.

Dianne Feinstein has claimed that torture does not reflect US values. Perhaps the really shocking thing is that it does

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/cia-torture-report-if-there-...

 

US brushes off criticism over CIA report

“We would put our record against any record around the world,” State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Wednesday, arguing the release of the report was a “rare and unique” demonstration of American transparency

http://thehill.com/policy/international/226693-us-brushes-off-criticism-...

rwe2late's picture

 The most shocking thing is perhaps that the Obama administration

DENIES most of those points and

surely has continued those practices in cahoots with US global "partners".

“Our review indicates that interrogations of detainees on whom EITs were used did produce intelligence that helped thwart attack plans, capture terrorists, and save lives. The intelligence gained from the program was critical to our understanding of al-Qaida and continues to inform our counterterrorism efforts to this day,” Brennan said.
“EIT” is, of course, the technocratic euphemism for the systematic brutalization of helpless, captive human beings by wretched cowards armed with the power of the state and backed to the hilt by national leaders. Brennan — Obama’s confidante — says, in the name of the president, that torture “saved lives.” What’s more, he admits that Obama is still using the fruits of the torture program to “inform our counterterrorism efforts to this day.”
Let’s say this again: the conclusion of the Barack Obama administration is that the use of torture is a good thing, and that it is still “informing” its Terror War operations “to this day.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/10/torture-is-good/

The_Prisoner's picture

Right side of history <|> USA

logicalman's picture

The people who are usually on the right side of it are those that get to write it.

See W. S. Churchill.

 

Drummond's picture

So terrorists were planning to fly planes into Heathrow? Who makes this stuff up?

kchrisc's picture

"So terrorists were planning to fly planes into Heathrow? Who makes this stuff up?"

The same people that wrote, "They hate us for our freedoms."

They all channel Bernays.

An American, not US subject.

 

"The could never hate us for the tyrants installed, or the killing of them and theirs?!"

 

http://www.amazon.com/Edward-Bernays/e/B004MPHV92/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1

i_call_you_my_base's picture

Reminds me of one of my favorite david cross lines:

"I don't think Osama bin Laden sent those planes to attack us because he hated our freedom. I think he did it because of our support for Israel, our ties with the Saudi family and our military bases in Saudi Arabia. You know why I think that? Because that's what he fucking said! Are we a nation of 6-year-olds? Answer: yes."

Cacete de Ouro's picture

9-11 Inside Job

Why were they torturing these people at Gitmo and other centers? They hardly knew much of real importance to anything now did they?

Greenskeeper_Carl's picture

once you come to that conclusion, it does make this seem even more absurd, right? no matter if you think the US gov, or isreal did it, or if it WAS muslim terrorists, whom the US just allowed or helped do it, its not like they were going to get anything out of these people anyway.

"TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW, YOU TERRORIST HAJJI FUCK"

"I don't know anything, sir, you should ask cheney"

Dame Ednas Possum's picture

the torture itself and the release of the details is all part of the effort to erect smoke and mirrors around the fact that 9/11 was an inside job. To demonise a generic enemy and to attempt justification both of unjustifiable war spending and the senseless slaughter of young troops and innoncent civilians.

"well it must be the mooslims terrarists...coz our government has a whole bunch of them locked-up and wired-up in Gitmo to protect our freedoms"

Consider it the marketing strategy within their business model.

FeralSerf's picture

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner here!

Sadly, their strategy worked.

New Kid's picture

Exactly what I was thinking. We know 9-11 was an inside job. Then why torture your assets/scapegoats?

We know that we would not hear about these tortures from the mainstream media unless they wanted us to.

So here is my conclusion:

Nobody was tortured. This is all just more CIA programming.

FeralSerf's picture

"The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make the rest of us wonder at the possibility that we might be missing something." - Gamal Abdel Nasser

Dugald's picture

Oh I say there, do you mean this is not all another fiendish British Plot

seems nothing is sacred....

i_call_you_my_base's picture

"Back in 2007 when that Atlantic article was written, a large percentage of people were willing to give the U.S. government and the CIA the benefit of the doubt."

I think this is a good place to start with facing facts. The fact is that Republicans who loved and backed Bush defended it. They said that it was necessary and made dumb-ass defenses about how there could be a bomb and someone might know the disable code. That's what actually happened.

The truth is that all of this was known. All of it. And no one said shit because it became a partisan issue.


Ghordius's picture

fully agree. "fact is that Republicans who loved and backed Bush defended it ". and so it became a partisan issue. and when anything becomes a partisan issue in the US, well, then it's "politics as usual"

dear US Republicans, that knee-jerk reaction of rallying around Bush Junior and his VP... perhaps sound, tactically, but very doubtful in the longer, strategic term

we, your faithful allies, had some understanding for the anguish that the average Republican voter felt after 9/11. and even some understanding for some of the overreactions

another fact: after 9/11, it was a typical "seal the barn doors! the cows have escaped!" frenzy of the kind expecting the next shoe to drop everywhere

but perhaps it's time you reassess your positions. look this as a fact: for every tortured presumed enemy, twenty new, real enemies spring up. eventually, it could become even too many

Seasmoke's picture

Hang Dick Cheney for Treason. (Or turn off the switch on his tin can heart)

kchrisc's picture

Hang or guillotine them all, and let the Devil sort them out.

An American, not US subject.

 

"Set the guillotines on 'torture.'"

I Write Code's picture

 

The $81 Million No-Bid Torture Contract

Francises available in your area.

Infinite QE's picture

Dual-citizens only need apply.

kchrisc's picture

"We tortured the village to save the village."

An American, not US subject.

ebworthen's picture

Sounds like the Gestapo had higher ethical standards than the CIA.

kowalli's picture

Germans have high structural and moral standard

nmewn's picture

He didn't say Germans, he said Gestapo. Germans in the employ of a highly structured top-down state with next to zero morals.

Big difference ;-)

kowalli's picture

I didn't say Gestapo, i said Germans

nmewn's picture

Ebworthen was making a comment about state employees, not nationalities.

Freebird's picture

The Hague for war crimes no

BullyBearish's picture

Have you noticed lately...nobody goes to jail, they either "vaporize", get shot by cops, or get bonuses

kchrisc's picture

Wrong. Corzine went to prison.

An American, not US subject.

dkny's picture

Do you actually subscribe to that nonsense of American vs. US subject?