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Sydney Hostage Standoff Update: 5 Escape, Gunman Identified; Demands Islamic State Flag, Conversation With Prime Minister
The Sydney hostage standoff at the Lindt chocolate store on Martin Place continues well into its 13th hour, where the latest news is that five people have escaped with others still held inside as neighboring blocks remain locked down, authorities said ABC reports. The first three people who fled sprinted out of the Lindt Chocolat Cafe about six hours into the standoff, while two women wearing aprons frantically ran from a side exit and into the arms of heavily-armed SWAT team police officers waiting outside. At the same time, media personalities said they received calls from hostages during the standoff. It remains unclear exactly how many people remain inside the cafe.
Additionally, according to Reuters, Australian police said on Monday they are monitoring alleged demands made on social media by hostages being held in a siege at a Sydney cafe and the "situation is contained in one area".
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Network 10 reported that two female hostages had called with claims from the gunman that two bombs were planted elsewhere in the city.
Three men and two women, who sprinted from the Lindt Chocolate Cafe, told the media that the man had warned them that two bombs were set to explode in the cafe, and other bombs were planted at two locations in the city.
Social media posts by alleged hostages claimed the gunman wanted to speak directly with Prime Minister Tony Abbott.
"That is forming a part of our tactical response in how to handle this," Deputy Police Commissioner Catherine Burn said of the reports, declining to comment on any demands from the hostage-taker. She said people should go about their business as normal in Sydney.
Elsewhere, Xinhua reports that the hostage-taker gunman has been identified after five hostages managed to flee the hours-long siege. The Australian Broadcasting Commission (ABC) reported that the man was known to police, but it has been told not to reveal his name.
The armed man also demanded the delivery of an Islamic State (IS) flag and a conversation with Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott.
The escapees told Channel 10 TV that the man forced his captives to call him "brother" and would release a hostage if the flag was delivered. That should put the heated discussion about just what flag is being shown in the window, to rest. It would appear that the gunman is at least superficially an ISIS sympathzier, who just couldn't get his hands on the right flag in advance.
The siege began at 9:40 a.m. local time (2240 GMT), and has involved hundreds of armed police who surrounded the cafe located at the Martin Place in Sydney's central business district.
More:
The government convened a meeting of the National Security Committee this morning. It has been warning for months that a terror attack could happen in Australia.
"We don't know whether this is politically motivated, although obviously there are some indications that it could be," Prime Minister Abbott said in the capital of Canberra.
After the anti-terror raids in September, he said all that was required for a domestic IS-ordered terror attack was a "knife, iPhone and a victim."
New South Wales police commissioner Andrew Scipione told reporters that the police were doing all they could to resolve the situation peacefully.
"The officers there are well trained. They know what they are doing," he said, adding that there were tight controls around the location, and the police had not made contact with the gunman.
Scipione said the police still did not know the his motivation and were working to determine where he was from.
Perhaps the best summary of current, very fluid events, comes from the latest headline from Reuters: Sydney gripped by fear.
Finally, in what is said to be an unrelated incident, four gunmen took a man hostage in an apartment in the Belgian city of Ghent on Monday, officials said, adding there was no initial evidence linking the assault to a jihadist organization. Belgian police cordoned off part of the city after the four men were seen entering the building in the Dampoort district, where they took a hostage. "For the time being we have no indication that there is a link to terrorism," a spokeswoman for state prosecutors said.
According to more recent reports, the Belgian hostage situation appears to have just ended.
Hostage situation at Dampoort #Ghent officialy over, as confirmed by prosecutor's office.
— Bert Staes (@bertstaes) December 15, 2014
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I hope the Belgian hostage isn't our mysterious guy with endless cash.
Oh damn.....please no!
They failed to mention it's across the street from the Austrailian federal reserve, could that be a hint?
Can we rule out this being racially motivated? Did this chocolate shop sell both dark chocolate AND white chocolate?
Pretty sure it says somewhere in the Koran that chocolate is of the infidel. Those caught eating it "will have their teeth removed and made into a necklace which must be worn at all times".
My arabic is rusty...but I'm pretty sure the evildoer's flag says 'We want...a shrubbery'.
"With a path down the center"
Give man IS flag. Shoot man while he hangs it in front window.
This ain't rocket science.
pods
40 hostages hands not tied, 1 gunman, people need to stop being sheep.
That Lindt logo with the Merry Cristmas message and the Jihadi flag behind says it all http://t.co/cATxCjYXpy
He's from Iran, and has been a criminal problem since the day he set foot in Oz 20 years ago. Send him back to Iran alive. They are not hindered by multicultural disorientation. They'll take care of him on the tarmac.
If only one of them had a pair of scissors!!!!
It would be all over by now. Maybe someone could smuggle some in.
(Might need to post a link for the benefit of those who came in late. Anyone got one?)
EDIT: Aaahh, here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI5EoWBRYmo
If only one of them had a pair of scissors!!!!...
Or 3 ounces of water...
"It would appear that the gunman is at least superficially an ISIS sympathzier, who just couldn't get his hands on the right flag in advance."
LOL. Is this guy a moron? You can get it on Amazon. When the product search window comes up just type in 'false flag'.
"Your item is currently being packed for shipment. Current location: Langley, Virginia."
They resemble that remark.
Ships from Tel Aviv.
and here you have it...
...the time where everyone is very happy that the police have SWAT teams and an arsenal of sniper equipment and armor plated vehicles.
This is the bizarro Ferguson world...so, the armification continues.
What made him think we would have a IS flag laying around somewhere?
Why does he need a IS flag? He seems to be doing quite well with the Saudi one. Something tells me his luck might change if he swaps sides now.
I'm reminded of the Liberty City Seven. Remember them? Hardly anyone does. They were arrested with great fanfare in 2006 for conspiring on behalf of Al Quaeda to demolish the Sears Tower. They were so far from doing that, they didn't even know it's not called the Sears Tower anymore. They never talked to anybody from Al Quaeda; just FBI professional informers. They never had any weapons or bomb of any kind; when the FBI informers tried to to supply them with such, they refused. All the wanted were boots and "Al Quaeda uniforms," whatever those are. They did get a couple pairs of boots. And of course nothing ever happened at all other than what the FBI informants did. So the 7 guys were arrested, held for years on enormous bail; 1 was acquitted outright and the others sentenced to one side or another of 9 years in prison for...well, something I guess.
This guy in Oz seems a little brighter. At least he seems to know that if you want genuine IS merch, you have to go to the corporate sponsors, i.e., the Western Intelligence agencies.
As I mentioned further down the thread, MSM has given us the "Don't believe the internet" speech. Where have I heard that before?
(And our govt would luvs to censor the internet. I wonder why? Oh, that's right, for the chilruns ..)
That Lindt with the Merry Cristmas and the Jihadi message behind says it all
http://t.co/cATxCjYXpy
Perhaps he has contacts with those individuals who allowed the guy on to a flight from Amsterdam to the US even though he had no passport or ticket. A sort of helpful hidden hand.
SilverisKing, Lindt sells all "shades" of chocolate, but there is something different about Lindt chocolate.
kill moar arabs
shit happens when you waterboard innocents!
We will probably never know if this hostage taker was bonkers or following orders from the Aussie secret police in the run up to more dictatorship laws Down Under. Sharpshooters will bump him off once his usefullness is over.
Following orders from the house of Rothschild, which the Australian PTB will use to demand surveillance of their own citizens and tighten controls on the internet there.
Since there are photos of the hostage taker standing in front of a plate glass window with no hostages in front of him for a clear shot (even for the shooting impaired on the SWAT team), I think they could have, and should have, already painted his brains all over the espresso machine.
For the prisoners that escaped they are fortunate this did not happen in the uSa. Had someone ran towards an armed swat team in the US they would have been shot..
Yes, I think if this were to happen in American, the lesson learned would be to have re-education classes for cafe workers on tolerance of other cultures.
Prepare to be Culturally Enriched.......
We need to put to use the teachings of President Jefferson.....we need to dust that off.....again.
These early Muslim extremists kidnapped an estimated 1.5 million people as they navigated the shipping lanes that skirted the edge of the African continent; they stole the lives of people, and thus their property. When Jefferson asked what warranted these unprovoked attacks, the savages cited the Quran as the justification for their aggression. Jefferson replied by sending the Navy and Marines to destroy the criminals. He crushed the threat and secured the critical shipping lanes that provided Americans with prosperity. His thinking seemed to be that those who seek to murder and steal must be checked, and their practices must meet with an unblinking conviction that no person may aggressively take that which does not belong to them.
https://americanapologist.wordpress.com/2010/10/23/thomas-jefferson-and-his-fight-against-islam/
No comment.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2874191/Selfie-disgrace-Shameful...
Circuses.....check.
Always makes me wonder if there were iphones during WWII, how much easier it would have been to load people onto boxcars. People like this disgust me, and fill me with a visceral loathing that they draw oxygen on a daily basis.
Standard Disclaimer: Let's just have a global holiday honoring Juvenal and be done with it.
The Romans pretended they thought Juvenal was making fun of somebody else, not them. In today's world, we do that too.
I call bullshit. Those were "Barbary Coast" pirates. Not motivated by religion, at least not Islam. Their motivation is one that should not be foreign to ZH readers: greed
Putting Jefferson's expeditions to the Mediterranean ("critical shipping lanes that provided Americans with prosperity"?) as a Crusade of Christian values versus Muslim values might fit then, in the century when it happened, but now it's bordering on the silly. (but of course half of the comments in this article are currently on the "cultural war" kind, with an icing of racism)
Did you convert to Islam Gordo?
You don't have to answer that....according to that book....you can legally lie to me.
I have no problem answering that. I'm a Roman Catholic. Sometimes I even walk in and out of the Vatican and get a Maltese Knighthood offered for my charity works with them
I nevertheless travel a lot, and this includes Africa, the whole ME, Turkey, South-East Asia, etc. In short, I happen to know a bit how Muslim are, at home, and even have Muslim friends
of course half of the rabid "rah, rah" crowd here is perfectly willing to hate me for the first line. The enemy is not Islam. The enemy is hate itself
I'm a Roman Catholic.
Hold it down Gordo.....you say that too loud in my neighborhood.....you'll get the crap kicked out of you.
They won't kill you or anything.....but still.
and does this make you... proud of your neighborhood?
Let me guess.....you're going to assume it does.
Is there anything else you'd like to tell me about myself?
well, let's see... you asked "Did you convert to Islam Gordo?" And then stated: "You don't have to answer that....according to that book....you can legally lie to me."
where do you got that rubbish? Most genuinely observant Muslims I know would be quite horrified by such a statement. It goes strongly against "mainstream" Islam. And that's a billion people, which should remind you that the day this kind of name calling makes Muslims as a group seriously pissed at us Christians, we are in big, big trouble. Luckily, they aren't, just some fringes
You obviously didn't convert.....you probably didn't even crack the book.
Jefferson ordered that book to be printed...so Americans would know what was in it.
I read it. Did you? And I have the impression that your "Jefferson ordered that book to be printed...so Americans would know what was in it " sounds mildly religious, too
I read a bit of him and I have quite a lot of respect for President Jefferson, but did not know he was revered as a religious figure, too, and anti-islamic, to boot
Shores of Tripoli.....who do you think ordered that?
Sorry you don't know history.....hands up......it's not my fault.
No, it's not your fault that you don't know that Jefferson was accused to be a closet Muslim during his presidential campaign against John Adams. And the fact that Jefferson did own that book and did read it was used against him. According to your logic he was anti-Muslim because he ordered a war against pirates?
If his book is the Talmud he can legally fuck you, your wife and your daughter as long if she is a subhuman goyim. Sometimes the Talmud give me a boner and make me want to convert.
perhaps you did already convert, and you haven't realized yet. though I don't think it is to what you think
Talmudists and islamists are a scourge when your "religions" main thereom is to murder everyone but it's adherents it is nt a "religion" it is a rotting vile festering CULT
Stop quoting the poster and go to the source. 17% of US GDP under the first 5 presidents was absorbed by Islamic pirates....like the ones off Somalia today. Jefferson, after conversing with the King (Barbary Coast) who told him in no uncertain terms to convert to Islam and it would all stop, or keep paying the Jizyah tax and recognize that Islam must dominate. Jefferson received a Quran(Koran) from the king, read it and had it placed into the Library of Congress so that future generations would know the deceit and evil that is Islam, and that there is only one way to deal with it.
He then sent the Marines, who have memorialized the event in the first stanza of the Marine Corps Hymn , "From the Halls of Montezuma to the SHORES OF TRIPOLI"
Stupid fucks like you who believe that everyone else is the same as you somehow, and that Diversity is nothing more than changing the outward appearance of your culture for the sake of decoration deserve to reap what you have sown.
If anyone has a fucking brain and can absorb something as foreign as facts when it comes to this subject, I recommend "Islam:What the West needs to know" a full length documentary available on YouTube.
For the more reading inclined Walid Shoebat and Ibn Wariq both have books available on their personal experiences in Islam, as enlightened citizens and in Walid's case, a 16 year old member of the PLO Fatah Brigade.
I myself support the public hanging of the peprpetrators if this and every terrorist event. And on live television, while they are yet kicking and foaming at the mouth, disembowel them and apply a liberal dose of pigs blood, and perhaps a transplant. You see, once Islamists realize that they cannot reach their paradise from this behavior, it will cease.
These fuckers die like little bitches, crying for their mothers when they realize they will not get any reward for their monstrous crimes against non muslims. m(check out rescueChristians.org for examples) I am speaking from personal experience, so go fuck yourself if you think you know better from your fucking ivory tower air conditioned office in the absence of any semblance of reality outside of what is piped in and fed to you.
Oh and Ghordius, next time your waiting to see the Pope, tell Petrus Romanus I said hello. His office is nearby yes?
I will go back to watching you idiot fucks apply lack of experience, knowledge and reason inculcated by the modern media to the problems facing the world today. Maybe if your nice to Illumi-Jew-Bankster-Politickians- buggaboo bad people who keep fucking with your planet, you can get them to come around and not destroy the other 6.5 billion of us? Idiots. Learn some history and how to fight. You know something is wrong, try figuring it out instead of creating false paradigm boogeymen.
a voice of sanity? /s
your "17% of US GDP under the first 5 presidents was absorbed by Islamic pirates"
are you trying to tell me that Barbary Coast pirates assaulted and robbed American ships in the Med up to the value of 17% of the US GDP or are you trying to tell me that the expansion of the US Navy and US Marine Corps costed that much? Can't decide, and I am very curious, since I did learn some history and did some fighting, too
Yes....they did.
it's a.... either.... OR..... question. Which is it?
Here you go....
www.google.com
HAHA! Voice of sanity?
Apparently recognizing as evil those who rape children to death in front of their families until someone gives in and converts to their "Religion of Peace" is insane.
As a Catholic historian fighting man, you should then recognize the significance of Sep 11, 1683 and why it is so revered a date that the attack on Sep 11, 2001 was initiated. It is time for another Crusade. Perhaps Hillaire Belloc said it best when he was discussing The Grand Mufti and of the Mosque in Jerusalem co-signing the Final Solution for the Jews with Hitler in 1938. Oh and raising two divisions of Baltic (Caucasian) Muslim SS troops for Hitler as well. I know the region well having gone in under Clinton in 1996 to save the Muslims in Bosnia.
So I must indeed be insane since I do not condone the principle of abbrogation in the Koran which mandates violence against all non Muslims.
I am definitely insane for not finding it in my heart to be kind to those who rape, crucify, torture, promote slavery and sexual deviancy and their religion of "Peace".
oh, and go fuck yourself if you think that I am going to go do your research for you.
The only barrier to truth is your steadfast belief that you already have all of it.
I make a difference between fighting terrorists, extremists and criminals and fighing a religious war, and prefer the first to the second
Islam and Christendom are both more related then you seem to know. Both have been used for atrocities, the Cross and the Half-Moon
by Saint George, if I have to fight, it will not be wearing his colours against a whole religion, one billion decent believers that try to eke a life on this planet
YOUR semantics don't work. Neither does your bullshit moral equivalency.
Everyone has been trying them since the Acchille Lauro hijacking. And we have had such wonderful luck placating the non violent muslims and separating them from their less tolerant and backwards religious practitioners haven't we?
Wake up. Just because you wont admit its a religious war to yourself, doesn't mean that it isn't.
Once again your steadfast belief that you have all the truth is the only thing preventing you from finding it.
Good luck fact man......they're gonna be driven so insane......they won't think twice about wanting to kill you.
Ummm, you might want to fact-check your claims bro. Whether or not the Barbary pirates were actuated by Islam, they definitely used Islam as their justification for preying on (robbing, killing, murdering and enslaving) the Christian Mediterranean for 300 years.
Jihad has been the way of life for Islam since inception. Only luck and the backwardness of Islam prevented Europe from being completely overrun. Now, of course, Muslims have learned that there's more than one way to skin a Jihad, and they are quietly winning continental Europe without a fight, whilst apologists such as yourself dig your heads ever deeper into the sand.
El double post.
Australian police say they will maintain central Sydney in lockdown "for as long as it takes", as a gunman holds people hostage inside a cafe.
latest:
http://tersee.com/#!q=sydney&t=text
Could be a while then. They're into double-time now. And have you seen the size of mortgages in Sydney?!!!
30 to 40 years is probably how long it will take for things to get back to normal.
9-11 will probably take about 200 years to get back to normal.
See Boston where they locked down the city, had thousands of law enforcement with millions of dollars in equipment failing to locate the remaining bomber after 16 hours of searching. Bomber was found a couple of hundred yards from where he abandoned his vehicle by a citizen.
The Aussies need moar gun control! Moar laws! Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket!
Yeah!
Let's send them Hillary to be their next PM!
They can have Jeb too.....and Boehner.
Along with anyone else that's in....."the club".
Fuck you bastards!!!!!! Have a heart. I wouldn't even send them to Tasmania or New Zealand ...
This is why the people need to be allowed to carry guns.
Yeah but the reality is no one in Australia walked around with guns before they changed the laws.
True. You'd have to go back a few more years, but we still have people that can remember driving to the petrol station with their gun in the car.
All I know is I wouldn't hold a black flag up for *anyone*. Never cooperate with a terrorist/robber/etc. Once you get down on your knees for anyone, you might as well be dead.
The US appears to be fully on its knees for the financial terrorists - those that threatened to blow up the economy.
Yes, and we might as well be dead, financially speaking. The financial terrorists risk running out of demands, as every demand they've made has been met, augmented, added onto; it's really straining their imaginations to come up with new demands to make.
Should have targeted the financial terrorists working for the Austrailian Central Bank acroos the street.
For the downvoters on this one, why don't you fly to Australia, and offer to become a hostage? I understand your reasoning to want to hide in the shadows on this.
Wouldnt be surprised to see several of these events as lone wolf sympathizers see the amount of media attention and go for it. Stores are packed, easy targets causing shoppers to not go shopping.....wait a minute! Perfect excuse for poor sales. Damn the banksters are genius.
Giving Islam a bad name.....again
IS makes ZERO sense. They are accomplishing nothing except ensuring that muslims will be tormented across the globe.
Terrorists seem radical, but they arent complete morons. Most australians know its just usa contrived bullshit. the neocons will bring hell to your doorstep no matter how peaceful and isolated you are. Just look at Russia.
Jim Jones......now that guy made sense.
Yeah,
Because Islam really is the 'Religion of Peace' with an unblemished reputation.
"Our Lindt special today is 'Head in a Basket'.
It's always been bad.
Islam had a bad name from day 1. Murder, theft & rape. That's how they started. That's how they'll always live.
Depends on the perspective. From the islamic point of view, this is of course great. You are clearly islamofoob.
Find out who bought 500K put options on Lindt on Friday and you will find the architect of this soap opera. /sarc
Your statement seems more truthful than sarcastic. I don't get it. hehehe.
Breaking: TERROR situation in GHENT Belgium NOW!
http://investmentwatchblog.com/breaking-terror-situation-in-ghent-belgium-now/
MOAR Cultural Enrichment!
What have these guys got against Belgium chocolate?
The guy is either fully retarded, or working to a plan that we cant fathom.
Pussy gun laws aside, leaving folk as defenceless sitting ducks, what can pne guy do in a protracted siege?
That said, it totally dominates the meejah and, for those who were interested in such things, puts the tactics and doctrine of the NSW anti-terrizt cops on full display for analysis.
Retarded? False flag? Stalking horse to gather intel on tactics?
Or was this just a stunt by Uber to jack up cab prices?
Interesting times we live in.
A lone gunman? Possibly a sandwich short of a picnic? A perfect patsy for a security service false flag.
Don't forget that in the beginning there were two. What happened to the other one?
His handler works for the state and was mistaken for a terrorist.
Shoot this bastard in the head and be done with it.
We'll send that piece of advise to the committee....thank's for your input.
Hopefully we'll hear something back from them by next week.....possibly when they're done with Benghazi.
Only when you're 100% positive there's only one bastard and sure you can get a good shot otherwise it will end badly for some of the hostages as they get shot.
If they know there's only one guy they can get to know him and use a planned strategy, hopefully get all the hostages out and imprison the guy for life - do not go straight to heaven and ??? virgins but a long lifetime of reflection as a lesson to others.
Fingers crossed no hostages get hurt.
No - capture him alive and find out who set it up.
All I know about Islam is what I read in the books its followers consider to be "sacred", that is the Koran, Hadith and Sunnah. All those writings consistently call for Islam to force those who don't believe to convert, submit or to die resisting Islam's inevitable takeover of the whole world. It doesn't matter to me that some followers of Islam just cannot quite bring themselves to accepting the absolute violence and utter destruction that Islam demands. Indeed, the very reason the Muslim Brotherhood is so dangerous is exactly because of how eloquently its founder explains that Muslims must return to their core values. Go ahead. Look up Sura 8:39, or 9:29 for yourself. Convert, submit or die in denial.
"Islam's inevitable takeover of the whole world."
Israel beat them to it. Should we nuke both?
Be much more scared of israel, for obvious reasons. Muslims can be controlled and isolated. Try that with the jews
Israel has nukes - somewhere.
And they got that little War on Women thingy goin on as well.
A real war, not some made up leftwing bullshit as Hirsi Ali explains:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ayaan-hirsi-ali-fights-radical-islams-real-war-on-women/article/2556984
Show me a married man and I'll show you a war on women.
@ nmewn Fuck you feminist.
Don't know if I've ever been called a feminist before...lol...I'm sure Cat would disagree but I can tell you this, even if I was, I could still kick your scrawny little ass ;-)
sorry, but this is bullshit, too. In all countries that were invaded and conquered by Islamic armies (until IS), the standard procedure was either conversion or a special tax. Your "Convert, submit or die in denial"? 500 years of recorded history in conquered territories the size of two USAs speak against your theory. Even in the Hagia Sophia the mosaics were only plastered over, instead of destroyed
And those Buddhist statues in Afghanistan?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYYBlPWYb7Y
http://world.time.com/2012/07/02/timbuktus-destruction-why-islamists-are...
Learn to use google before putting fingers to keyboard.
Standard Disclaimer: If you post bullshit, I'll call you out on it. Others should too. Repeatedly...
and isn't that all recent stuff? read again on what I'm calling bullshit and what I wrote. The difference between generalizations and details. I was calling bullshit on the generalization, and still am
And if you read the article you linked, you'll find out that the city where it happened... in 2001... was a great Islamic learning center in the 15th and 16th centuries, while the Buddha statue was older
proLiberty said:
"All I know about Islam is what I read in the books its followers consider to be "sacred", that is the Koran, Hadith and Sunnah. All those writings consistently call for Islam to force those who don't believe to convert, submit or to die resisting Islam's inevitable takeover of the whole world."
This is ZH and here, the TRUTH matters:
2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing.
16:82 But if they turn away from you, (O Prophet remember that) your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message (entrusted to you).
6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you (of your own choice) a guardian over them.
4:79, 80 (Say to everyone of them,) 'Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have (O Prophet) sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper."
11:28 (Noah to his people) He (Noah) said "O my people! think over it! If 1 act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?°
17:53, 54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner (unto those who do not share their beliefs). Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe .... Hence, We have not sent you (Unto men O Prophet) with power to determine their Faith.
21:107 to 109 (O Prophet?) 'We have not sent you except to be a mercy to all mankind:" Declare, "Verily, what is revealed to me is this, your God is the only One God, so is it not up to you to bow down to Him?' But if they turn away then say, "I have delivered the Truth in a manner clear to one and all, and I know not whether the promised hour (of Judgment) is near or far."
22:67 To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites (of prayer) which they observe; therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord (since that is the main objective of religion). You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, (then say,) `God best knows (the value of) what you do."
88:21, 22; also see 24:54 And so, (O Prophet!) exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.
There are many, many more verses in the Koran that say likewise. Should we judge Christianity by the Christian drug cartels of Mexico and they use EXPLICIT Roman Catholic Saints and otherwise in their rituals.
One last verse from the Koran:
005.082
"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
We are watching the 9-11 of Australia. Hopefully they will get the lesson and not screw it up!
Not even close.....
Don't be so melodramatic. It's not even a comparison.
You guys live in a pretty shallow world over there, so enjoy the soap opera and learn many good things from it.
Let me guess, this has nothing to do with the real islam?
President Bush says Islam is a "peaceful religion", so it must be true. I'd be peaceful, too, if I were getting water-boarded.
Their demands are pretty strange...they want an ISIS flag...theirs is the wrong flag I guess....and they want to talk to the PM....seems pretty simple to me...then what just go back home in time for supper????
Might have to put supper into the microwave to warm it up as it'll be cold.
My memory is rusty here:
I saw it in an article in Time Magazine.
Yes cold along with your body.
His handlers figured he would be dead before the possibility of demands occcurred.
I can't believe anyone buys into these "terrorist" incidents anymore. At this point if people don't see it they never will, some peoples brains must be wired differently.
Yes, because continuing a course of action and line of thought that predates the 7th Century is proof that Dick Cheney is behind it all.
Muslims were killing non-muslims, BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT MUSLIMS, since AD700.
Go read a book.
This store probably has a "Celebrate Diversity" sticker in the window.
This fucking guy wasn't even smart enough to copy a flag onto a pillow case.
I would hate to be held hostage by a retard.
"Demanding an ISIS flag" (very strange )WTF, do they think we are that stupid
this is such an obvious false flag , we are going to get a few of those over the next few months
Obvious? I guess I just don't see it.
yes obvious
think for a moment
This whole sh*t does not make sense. If they were true martyr jihadists they would have blown up themselves and others in the name of Allah without much warning. If they just wanted to demand cash or some political decision, then they should have done it hours ago. Taking hostages and later going to jail for no apparent reason/benefit is plain stupid!
Just 'cuz this "whole shit" doesn't make sense doesn't a priori make it a "false flag". You have lone wolf types out there. I totally disagree with your premise--for now. Perhaps more info will come out on this.
Nah,
Everyone is a Manchurian Candidate. Didn't you see the fingerprints of the CIA all over that Paula Deen nigger story?
The CIA was using her to kick off the race war.
The View is a black psy-ops to get housewives fired up and out on the streets.
Trust me, I know about these kind of things. My info channels run directly into the Deep State.
I agree with your many of your premises, but you left out the last one.
Some criminals are just plain stupid (even martyrs). It's like these two black guys (and they were wearing hoodies!)I just read about that tried to rob a pawn shop that specialized in guns. Did they not think the owners might be armed? Sure enough, shoot out occurs. One thug catches bullet, the two are later arrested at the local hospital. Store owners have story to tell their grand children one day.
Dang, I hope this won't hamper sales of those linder ball choc's I love so much during Christmas, perhaps the perps had alterior motives?
Did they get a bad batch? Are they not made to halal standards?
It's the "blood cocoa" from Africa.
I prefer Cadbury, which is saying something these days. I think they changed the recipe a few years ago. Hasn't tasted the same since.
Down arrow for you, only for the reason now I have that damn Cadbury egg bunny stuck in my head all day.
This little PR stunt should help the "torture and rendition" camp of John Yoo, David Addington, and all present and past cast of government characters that made the 9/11 dream a reality and who violate the letter of the law under the Constitution every day onward!
President Lance Link's potential new quote in the "war on terror"
So we torture folks. Get used to it!
The neo-con are happy, for them that kind of event (false flag or not) are pure gold. Then they will spin that it's Russia's fault and we must send "boots on the ground" in Novorussia...
expect more of these terror actions soon all across Europe and in the States
These Muslim monkeys tend to imitate each other...
You mean like, monkey see, monkey do?
demands on video
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152547015933499&fref=nf
It was taken down a few minutes ago.
Reminds me.....the guy they pinned the fake video on.....is he still in jail?
I'm not sure which fake video you're refering to... there's been a few.
It's the one they brought up the UN......OK.....maybe that won't help.
The Sydney siege has thrown a spotlight on the disturbing growth of terror threats in Australia in recent months, with one expert claiming that the country is being targeted because it is a 'soft target'.
latest
http://tersee.com/#!q=sydney&t=text
Well you won't see any Australian pistoleros saying "Fuck off, and say hello to Allah for me."
They're safe now.
kill the dirty muslim sand niggars
The whole scene has a staged look to it. But the candy store full of China Dolls in uniform is a great prop.
Not much gets by you does it?
These evil terrorists can't ever seem to put their hands on a neocon or anyone remotely close to being responsible for the shit storm in the middle east. I mean, shit, Cheney is out there saying he would gladly torture innocent folks if it meant achieving his objective. Just curious if these evil bastards ever consider him as you know maybe someone they should look into.