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The American Public Supports Torture … Because They Don’t Know THIS
New polls show that – even after the Senate torture report showed that torture is unnecessary and doesn’t work – Americans still think torture is necessary and works.
Why?
Because they still don’t know the truth … because the mainstream media has hidden it from them. Specifically, Americans still believe that torture works to produce helpful intelligence that helps keep us safe.
Americans wouldn’t support torture if they knew the following facts, proven beyond any doubt:
- All of the top interrogation experts say that torture does NOT produce actionable intelligence … even in a “ticking time bomb” scenario
- Torture doesn’t reduce terrorism. In fact, the opposite is true: it simply creates new terrorists and terrorist groups, including ISIS
- Most of those tortured were completely innocent of any crime. Children were tortured, too
- The specific type of torture used by the U.S. is famous for producing FALSE evidence
- People have known for thousands of years that torture – stripped of the torturer’s lies – is really just a way to create fear … i.e. a form of terrorism. Indeed, America’s recently-leaked criteria for putting people on the terror watchlist says torture is terror (page 47-48):
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- While the mainstream media gives overwhelming coverage to pro-torture guests, those people have a very strong incentive to lie. Specifically, virtually all of them are war criminals under international and U.S. law who are afraid of being prosecuted for their creation and approval of the torture program. Indeed, many are calling for their prosecution, and a former top Air Force interrogator notes that government officials knew they are vulnerable for war crime prosecution:
They have, from the beginning, been trying to prevent an investigation into war crimes.
- The Nazis used the same “Enhanced Interrogation” techniques the U.S. did … and even CALLED IT the same thing
- The Founding Fathers were strongly opposed to torture … and enshrined a torture ban in the Constitution
- This is not the first time America tortured. Americans tortured Filipinos over a hundred years ago as a way to terrorize the population into submission. CIA torture in Vietnam was so severe that most prisoners died during torture; and the torture was so horrific that those who didn't die during torture usually killed themselves soon after. Americans also taught the leaders of other countries how to torture
- The detainees held up as “poster boy” justifications for torture actually prove the opposite
(Note: Other polls reach very different conclusions about Americans' acceptance of torture.)
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unfortuneatly true. no one reads. they just look at their bible (FOX NEWS). Can anyone be apathetic to torture? Do they understand the horrors that were put upon these people? Do they know how sadistic a person has to be to even use torture on another human.....or living thing for that matter. I do believe that we are still in the stone age and I don't want to insult those back then.
Could these bombers once have been tortured? What goes around comes around-and the US doesnt look at the larger picture or long range
a horrible tragedy for sure but still-we dont live in a vacume. We should torture ALL Neo-CONs and see how they like it
Their idea of totrure is a hot dominatrix in a leather bustier and thigh boots giving them a spanking because they have been "bad".
Go ask the parents of those kids in the Pakistan school whether they think torture is a good idea...
Jews tortured God.
We all tortured God. And Jesus was a Jew.
Same people who run the polls run the rating agencies and the BLS. Why do people believe them?
It's all made up bullshit. Who verifies their data? They can goal seek any number they want, just like the Fed does.
polls tell lies.
americans, there is no such thing.
torturists are terrorists.
period, end of sentence.
9/11, inside job.
"When things get bad, we lie". Seems like an awful lot of lying going on lately. Who to believe....who to believe....
Thank God for alcohol!!
I am not for the "Enhanced Interrogation" employed by the CIA, but the George Washington post is filled with so many inaccuracies, as usual, it's hard to know where to begin. I will take just one example, that the US Constitution forbids torture, with the implication this applies to illegal combatants who are not US citizens outside of US territory. In fact, the US constitution only applies to US citizens and to persons in the 50 states and territories of the United States. The US constitution does not apply to non-US citizens outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States. The United States is not, in fact, ruler of the globe nor has dominion over it, and therefore, it's laws have no weight or jusridiction outside of US borders. In war zones outside the US and its territories, the US must abide by the Geneva Convention. This is not a constitutional requirement, but law by agreement by ratification of treaty. The Geneva Convention outlaws torture against civilians and lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants are not afforded the protections of the Geneva Convention, but may be tried and punished as per the laws of the detaining power, but treated in a humanitarian way. All this again, has nothing to do with the Constitution, but rather, with treaty obligations. The point is not minor.
Another point - approved "enhanced interrogation" was never used on children, but on a very small number of adult detainees.
Another point - the abuses of Abu-Grab were not sanctioned under the system of approved enhanced interrogation, and the perpetrators were punished under military law.
Another point - torture has shown to provide useful military intelligence. Sure, it is often used simply to satisfy the sadistic lust of captors and police, but it has provided useful current information. Let me be clear, however, that to me, that is not the point, and does not justify its use, but the statement that is cannot provide useful information is simply wrong. There are some hypothetical situations in which torture could be justified in my mind, but the use should still be illegal, and the perpetrator would need to face justice and live with consequences of their actions.
One thing I remember them covering in SERE was the fact that torture is the tactic of the incompetent interrogator. When you're breaking someone's fingers, the victim will tell you whatever the hell he thinks you want to hear to make you stop doing that to him. The intelligence value of whatever he says at that point is very very low.
Torture is pointless. Except for satiating sadistic urges, one supposes.
As a Retired Army Officer you make me sick. I would arrest you. I'm sure you have never served....
I served, and I think you're a dick.
First of all. The shit we're talking about is NOT torture. Waterboarding?! No. The guys who received this stuff deserved real torture. We gave them an easy way out.
The ass feeding thing....
ok, thats just fucking bizarre.
Some gay fucker came up with that one, but we don't dare criticize those people...
The US govt and its burocracies are twisted and evil and need to be radically reduced, but this particular issue is not indicitive of this; these twisted islamic fucks need to be corralled in the very least. Killed if they leave the fence...
Re-enlist on Xmas eve. Give yourself a gift.
you are kind of glossing over the fact that many of these people were innocent and not 'twisted islamic fucks'.
How do you reconcile torturing innocent civilians, women and children?
And about this waterboarding. If it wasn't considered a way to get information out of a person, then they wouldn't do it. Apologizing to Monty Python, they don't treat these guys with fluffy pillows and comfy chairs do they?
The very fact that it is used as an interrogation technique, proves that it is torture. If it wasn't then the people getting it would never give up any information. And waterboarding isn't the 1 or 2 times that people have done in the US to prove it isn't torture, it's done over and over again until the subject is convinced they will die and can't handle it anymore. They are forced to go past their threshhold for pain and discomfort so that they talk. That is torture.
I think he was pretty clear, he said what happened at Abu Ghraib (Army) was discovered & prosecuted and to be afforded combatant status one would be well advised to wear a uniform marking ones self as a combatant...maybe.
But what some are struggling with and really trying to understand is why those polled feel the way they do about these creatures...KSM and the few others under consideration...who don't even rise in the consciousness of mankind to the level of insects (according to the polling).
The SS guards at Dachau, they were wearing their uniforms yet many (or most) were killed outright, without trial, some horribly, pleading for their lives. Its just a statement of fact, its not an indictment of torture or international law or rules of engagement or anything else, just fact.
Now back to today, no one wants to really look into that crevice of the mind do they? For obvious reasons, its uncomfortable and they don't want to have to face it. That "thing" over there in the corner, its always there, that "thing" that makes us all human yet at the same time can be something less than humane when unleashed.
Its probably best not to provoke it ;-)
Americans support torture? Why its almost like Americans believe that they are fighting a brutal war with an implacable cruel enemy who rapes beheads and crucifies everybody not on their side.
Oh wait....
Downvoters?
The Truth Hurts
Go tune into MSM, MSN, CNN etc.
Yes...exactly...that´s what they are being told by those that get tortured. They say this to make the torture stop. Moscow show trials. Classical example of when you (for some reason e.g. leaders insanity) need to produce totally false confessions to fit the overall narrative.
For you younger folks - look it up. Moscow show trials can be found on wikipedia.
30 million american women under 40 secretly fantasize about being tortured ala 50 shades of grey. American women have willingly turned themselves into sex slaves for the zionists.
downvotes because I think you either don't really understand the word torture in this context or do and are obfuscating what the US is doing vs a book of fiction.
I doubt many women fantasize about being waterboarded repeatedly until they are convinced the next one is their death, or that their fantasy involves their children being sodomized in front of them.
Way off topic.....but I was chuckling and sort of with the thought....until you ended with "for the zionists".
When I mention the popularity of that book....(and the breathless anticipation of the female masses for the upcoming movie)....to the weekend feminists living the good life off their husbands salaries, but insisting that they are in fact liberated and independent....I get SHRILL yelps that I "just don't understand".
Pretty much... As for the down arrows, you are seriously out of touch. My son just finished his psychology major and is on a cross country jaunt. He puts out some bullshit on Tinder, and basically has another woman lined up for where ever he decides to stop next.