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Greek Prime Minister Fails To Get Enough Votes To Elect President, Has Less Support Than Expected
As previewed earlier today, in a vote whose outcome was widely anticipated, Greece's Samaras failed to get enough votes (200) to push through his choice for president, Stavros Dimas.
- GREECE'S SAMARAS FAILS TO GET VOTES TO ELECT PRESIDENT: TALLY
- GREECE'S SAMARAS LOSES FIRST OF THREE DEC. VOTES ON PRESIDENT
As a reminder, this is the first of three votes, in which the candidate needs 200 votes. ND and PASOK have together 155 seats in the Parliament, and they expected to win some votes from independent MPs and possibly also some votes from Independent Greeks and Democratic Left MPs. According to Greek media, the government expects to win a total of 162-165 votes for Dimas in the first round.
The final vote: 160 For, 135 Against, and 5 Abstain. This is a problem because the whisper number was around 170 for the 3rd round vote to be even remotely close.
Up next is the second round vote when the threshold once again is 200, which will take place on December 23, with the vote limit dropping to only 180 votes in the third and last round of voting on December 29.
In other words, Samaras is a crucial 20 votes short of getting his candidate pushed through in 2 weeks, after which follows a messy election that according to recent polls may easily be won by left-wing Syriza and its anti-bailout leader, Samaras.
Should the Parliament fail to elect Greece’s next President, the Parliament dissolves and snap elections are due. That's the "worst case" scenario for the statists as Goldman warned previously of a "Cyprus-Style Prolonged Bank Holiday." And considering the direct urging from none other than Juncker telling Greeks not to "vote wrong" perhaps chosing the "wrong president" is precisely what the long-suffering country needs.
For those seeking more clarity, here is the primer from Keep Talking Greece:
The countdown for the first round of Presidential voting started. At 7 pm local time the roll call procedure will start in the Greek Parliament. Three hundred lawmakers will be asked to say either the name of the sole presidential candidate “Stavros Dimas” or just “Present” if they don’t agree.
According to the rules of Presidency vote, the procedure opens with the Parliament Speaker reading the statute, the votes-collectors take their places and the voting starts.
Each MP who hears his name stands up and expresses his preference. Each vote is being noted down.
No debate takes place, and no MP has the right to justify his/her vote.
The voting procedure lasts 40 minutes.
Stavros Dimas is the sole candidate proposed by coalition government partners Nea Dimokratia and PASOK.
In the first round of voting, the candidate needs 200 votes. ND and PASOK have together 155 seats in the Parliament, and they expect to win some votes from independent MPs and possibly also some votes from Independent Greeks and Democratic Left MPs. According to Greek media, the government expects to win a total of 162-165 votes for Dimas in the first round.
Also 200 votes are needed for the second round (23. December), but only 180 votes in the third and last round of voting (29. December).
All opposition parties are expected to vote “Present”.
Eight Golden Dawn MPs, currently in custody pending trial, will be taken to the Parliament and participate in the voting.
Should the Parliament fail to elect Greece’s next President, the Parliament dissolves and snap elections are due.
Pressure to MPs to vote in favor of Dimas has reached unbelievable dimensions with national and international mainstream media to warn of “an economic and political turmoil” should the country go to early elections.
Why are they afraid of the snap polls? Oh, because chances are big that left-wing SYRIZA wins the elections and attempts some radical changes in the oh-so-successful loan and austerity agreements with the country’s lenders, the Troika.
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The Greeks have had it with endlessly bending over for the EU.
I doubt it.
Greece can still, slowly, decide to be more like Iceland.
Birthplace of democracy, ya'know.
We'll see.
Who are we kidding?
The squid will pull out all the stops and the third vote will be 180-120.
Nothing to see here. Absent Athens getting Kiev'ed nothing will change.
I know. It's amazing to me that some people still believe in this "democracy" thing.
Today, people's perception of "reality" is entirely fashioned by the media. Who controls the media controls society.
All it takes to screw anti-euro parties over and over is to trot out "monetary expert" telling people the world will come to and end if you quit the euro, 24/7 prior to an election and the trick is done.
It wasn't long ago that the Greeks were in a shooting civil war. Those guys are still young enough to move and shot. And they have sons old enough too.
Grexit II: Printer Boogaloo
They've already been bent over and rammed hard. It will be depend on how pissed the people really are on how it wll play out and remember they've had dictators not that long ago.
Can it be said that they have had, hot steaming gobs of Gruber repeadity shot in thier faces?
Gruberkaki?
What are the chances that the NSA doesn't have dirt on at least a couple dozen more people. This deal is in the bag. <sadly>
The Greeks are as hopelessly befuddled with statism as everyone else in the West. And for the same reason - generations of them have been spoonfed it since birth.
Unfortunately, I also doubt it. But I hope I'm wrong.
The Greeks DO NOT DECIDE it is ALL RIGGED.
I will inform the zerohedgers that.
When the last election happened SomeAreAss anounced the victory result barely 1 hour after the polls closed. Nothing unusual about that. (Its in HIS INTEREST)
What shoked most Greeks is that Tsipras ACCEPTED the result (and looked pleased about it).
That goes against the norm of normal counting of votes. In England just 1 ONE constituency takes a lot longer. Never mind a lot more.
The Presstitutes are at full swing to put the fear of god in to the population with money from the Eurofascists. As for the politicos they are ALL GREEDY BASTARDS.
The Greeks are too thick to realise what rape they are going through.
If Elections DID DECIDE something, they would 've been BANNED.
You may have a point. I've always wondered why no one seems to contest the elections there. Everybody knows many politicians in Greece (the same ones who have been in power for decades) take bribe money to sell out their country. Why wouldn't they steal elections? It's a lesser offense.
This is true, but they also prefer keeping the euro over returning to the drachma (the drachma was an even worse fiat money, and people will tend to gravitate toward a money considered more sound). It is an interesting contradiction actually. Could be solved by adopting gold as money of course, but hell will freeze over before that happens.
+ 100000000000
PULL THE FUCKING TRIGGER................... for fucks sakes.
Do you attribute the originals?
Yes on my Flickr stream. Only if determinable or specified under Creative Commons license.
And if you can figure out who did the original gabgster monkey with gun image I am happy to credit.
Here, go to town on it: gangster monkey
I can tell you what you will not find. Someone who took the stupid monkey with gun and transformed it into a political satire (transformed as in transformative "fair use").
I was just asking, this is one of the few I recognized since I almost stole it for my avatar years and years ago. I was curious if you had figured out who did it. I would assume someone on Fark.
After Russia, all eyes and ears on Greece
A short summary of what's at stake in the global financial and geopolitical arena
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/12/after-russia-all-eyes-and-ear...
Do Black Swans spend the winter in Greece?
Rather in Ukraine.
if i recall, samaras was supposed to be the big bad bogeyman as well before they gained power from psoc or whatever, as soon as they're in, they get a discount from the EU and its game as usual....this is all smoke and mirror show for the masses you can keep your scare tactics and greece can fuck off to hell for all anyone cares anymore.
Samaras and his party were corrupt. But Syrza is new to the scene. The may fail because they are naive. But I don't believe they can be bought.
My info
SYRIZA Party leadership:
Tsipras=Untainted we think, but hasn't put a real day's work outside politics.
Stathakis=Investments with Black Rock
Dragasakis= Lots of dosh he hides them well, wouldn't surprise me if he invested in Greece's misery
A couple of others that I do not know their names but hard core Europhiles.
the rest of the MPs are Old Pasok, they are the ones that are SUSPECT.
The People that voted SYRIZA are buying any drivel apart form the old 4% hard core , and they don't matter.
Judge for yourselves the Outcome.
They have in all likelihood been bought already. http://www.acting-man.com/?p=34711 (scroll down to the part where the sudden change of strategy of Syriza is discussed)
bullish
All these black swans poor Goldman have to contend with to maintain this Giant Ponzi via Central Bank and Troika control is making my head spin.
My heart goes out to them with a new batch of crusaders & liberators that are needed and don't come cheap. s/c
fuck the greeks..
the fact that they didnt storm their parliament and murder their MoneyChanger controlled politicians warrants the continued ass raping they r receiving...
no guts...no empathy.
Essentially my thoughts at this point.
Fair enough.
I mean, after we stormed our various government buildings and hung the traitors, all the Greeks had to do was follow our example, right?
the 99.9% of americans r just as pussyfied...
however, some of us have withdrawn as much as possible from the death and debt paradigm...
remove the debt coupon dollar from the MoneyChangers and they r powerless...
thats why we accumulate and save in real money...
quiet assassin.
Keep telling yourself stories, Johnny boy.
If the cornyism prevails (if it hasn't already), those "withdrawn" will be quickly rounded up and put together in the slave boxes with the others.
quiet coward.
spoken like a true cowardly bitch...
good luck in ur endeavors.
"left-wing Syriza and its anti-bailout leader, Samaras."
Syriza's anti-bailout leader is not Samaras...his name is
Alexis TsiprasGrexit ?
>> Eight Golden Dawn MPs, currently in custody pending trial,
Ha - Stalin would be proud. If you feel threatened by the opposition, just arrest them... (don't give the O-man any ideas)