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"If you like your nuclear policy, you can keep your nuclear policy"
God dammed autocrats, dictators, and terrorists using their nuclear weapons on everyone. How many times have they done that anyway? Thank god for 'Mericans, they'd never do such a dastardly act.
And even if we did, we would Never Forget™, right?
I don't know about 'we' because the people's steering wheel isn't connected to anything.
Forget the fascist media blowing smoke up everyone's asses with the phony nuclear threat. If the Iranians want to survive then they better get a Rothschild Central Bank in place. It's a bomb stopper.
Makes sense, benb. First get the CB, then they can make all the weapons and bombs they want. In fact, it will be encouraged.
Thanks for the reminder. You never want the US blood thirsty masses to forget about what Israel wants us to do for them.
benb
Yeah I'm not so sure.
Sure made for a great movie
Ok, lets go ahead and get this bit of nonsense over with.
Did America do it to stop a war or start a war? Do you think Tojo would not have dropped one on San Fran if he could have?
Be honest.
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Well, apparently we're not looking for honesty. We're looking for a state to have nuclear weapons that ALLOWS rape & sodomy by its prison guards against males & females before a prisoner is put to death by the state.
Because the body is going to die anyways, pure, soul-searching, theological Iranian justice...or sumpin.
You better do your fucking research of who runs Iran now before you pop off about some sort of "moral equivalency".
Do you think Tojo would not have dropped one on San Fran if he could have?
Wait just a minute nmewn. Are you saying that little dog in the movie Wizard of OZ would exercise that kind of power?
"Do you think Tojo would not have dropped one on San Fran if he could have?"
That's conjecture, but the reality is that the US did nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There was absolutely no need to.
And isn't the US known for cops sticking cylindrical objects up prisoners' asses?
OK nmewn, I think that is a trick question. How about they did it to stop one war and put them in a position to start a lot of little ones? Just rattling off history at this point. There is no denying it. Don't get me wrong. I still love the original USA. But the guiding light out of the capitol the last 50 years looks more like Sauron than Andrew Jackson.
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Agreed. It's absolute nonsense. The Iranian nuclear weapon program is pure fiction. All US intelligence agencies admit it. The IAEA admits it. Even Israeli intelligence admits it. Iran's activities are in full compliance with their obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. (Of course, this cannot be said for the US, and Israel isn't even a signatory.)
So yes, getting this nonsense over with is long overdue.
Trick question, as it was neither. Truman deliberately delayed the end of the war so that he could test both the uranium bomb and the plutonium bomb on real live cities. (The Japanese had been seeking to negotiate terms of surrender since early 1945 and were rebuffed by the US.) So the answer is that America did it as a threatening demonstration, the intended audience being Stalin and the Soviets.
Enhanced interrogation techniques? I thought that was another article. But you're right, we're not looking for honesty. In Vichy DC, truth is kryptonite.
Once again, you've hit the nail on the head. When you compare the US and Iran over the last century in terms of wars of agression (declared and undeclared), hostile military actions, and killing of innocents, the US has a lot to atone for.
But hey, I've got my car and my TV, so what do I care?
Hear, hear, well done Moe or Larry or whoever you are
"The Iranian nuclear weapon program is pure fiction. All US intelligence agencies admit it."
Fiction is it...and when did "all US intelligence agencies" say that? What did they unleash Stuxnet against and why the panic around Parchin (outside Tehran) two months ago when something went boom?
"Truman deliberately delayed the end of the war so that he could test both the uranium bomb and the plutonium bomb on real live cities. (The Japanese had been seeking to negotiate terms of surrender since early 1945 and were rebuffed by the US.)"
Everyone knew what the bombs could do (Harry Dexter White and other Soviets included) and seeking surrender under terms sympathetic to the leaders of Imperial Japan doesn't tell the whole story does it?
"Enhanced interrogation techniques?"
Yeah, like Unit 731 or the Rape of Nanking, right?
You know as well as I do that Iran wants nuclear technology even while sitting on vast reserves of oil & gas.
Why?
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Back in 2012.
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/02/25/new-york-times-us-intelligence-says-i...
http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/08/03/ehud-barak-admits-iran-has-defensive-...
Cascades of centrifuges used for uranium enrichment (an activity explicitly permitted under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, by the way).
Parchin is a rather large (24 square miles) military research and testing facility. Its very nature would lead one to expect things going boom there, both planned and accidental. Even though Parchin is not a nuclear facility, Iran has twice allowed IAEA inspectors to nose around there, even though the inspectors are not entitled to do so.
More background on Parchin here:
http://original.antiwar.com/porter/2012/02/23/iran-holds-up-access-to-pa...
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/05/13/the-parchin-deception/
No, I suppose it doesn't, although I think you mean sympathetic to the leader (singlular) of Japan. On January 20, 1945, FDR received a 40-page memo from General MacArthur outlining 5 separate surrender proposals offered by the Japanese. They were offering terms which were virtually identical to those finally accepted by the US in the ceremony on the battleship Missouri on September 2, 1945.
Dwight Eisenhower, Douglas MacArthur, and Curtis LeMay, among others, are on the record as saying that the atomic attacks on Japan had nothing to do with the end of the war.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html
I thought we were talking about how nuclear weapons in the hands of a state that allowed rape/sodomy of prisoners might not be a good idea. I agree. Whether it's called rectal rehydration or some other euphemism, it's still ass rape as punishment. I don't understand how Japanese war crimes in the 1930s and 1940s are relevant in this context.
Iran already has nuclear technology. In addition to oil and gas, their mineral resources include uranium (albeit with enough molybdenum as a contaminant to make its enrichment beyond medical grade far more complex than what they've been doing). Their stated intention is for power generation and medical research/treatment. Importantly, their actions have been entirely consistent with their stated intentions.
Everything they've done has been strictly according to the terms of their treaty obligations. They have even invited the US to participate in their nuclear research program, as a partner, working alongside them. Every overture by Iran at reconciliation with the US has been rejected. In response, the US strongarms the world into imposing economic sanctions on Iran, sanctions which are actually in violation of the UN Charter.
Why?
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MH16Ak03.html
http://original.antiwar.com/porter/2012/04/27/understanding-irans-diplom...
BTW, thanks for the lively discussion. ;)
+1
Now Stooging (regarding the first two links, yes I read them because its you) if I were to show you my Hoyt bow and my arrows without the tips, would you consider them a lethal combination? One would likely die if shot with it, with or without the broadheads screwed on and frankly I'm surprised an anti-war blog would defend/promote anyone gaining competence in nuclear technology.
Yes, we both know what Parchin is and yes it was a bit of a red herring on my part but the activity engaged in there can hardly be described as "peaceful science", its a military facility. And its not like the IAEA has their own key to come and go as they please, which was a bit of a red herring on your part.
"I'm sorry, did you make a reservation? Your rooms not ready."...lol.
"They were offering terms which were virtually identical to those finally accepted by the US in the ceremony on the battleship Missouri on September 2, 1945."
Actually no.
The word from Japanese Premier Suzuki used after the Potsdam Declaration specifically stating they faced "prompt and utter destruction." if they did not unconditionally surrender all Japanese armed forces was Mokusatsu, meaning to ignore or ignore with contempt, ignoring the warning given. And they weren't real keen on "democracy" either.
Two weeks after this verbal warning was ignored, the first bomb was dropped. The leadership had time to swallow their pride and eventually did, unlike the nazis regime.
Returning to Iran, I actually don't have a problem with "normal" Iranians, as always its the leaders and their henchmen like the Basij.
+1...you're always a worthy adversary at Fight Club and still a friend, we don't have to agree on everything ;-)
You are on target! These ZH liberals are really sad. It's hard to converse with rocks. They think they know what they are talking about but they have ZERO research or experience when it comes to reality. Concrete walls in moms basement give one a limited view of the world.
"Did America do it to stop a war or start a war? Do you think Tojo would not have dropped one on San Fran if he could have?"
differences in sizes and opportunities... matter
dropping an atomic bomb on a small enemy that is already defeated and won't be able to retailiate for at least 20 years is one thing
dropping an atomic bomb on a huge enemy that can't be invaded, and can retaliate? pure madness
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remember that Japan was fighting for directly controlled resources, including oil. naked, old-style imperialism
America, on the other side, was enacting an oil embargo on Japan, in order to check on this Japanese imperialism, and having access to more markets. indirect, market-based...
"enacting an oil embargo on Japan, in order to check on this Japanese imperialism"
From what I heard that embargo would not only check Japanese imperialism, but basically the Japanese economy. They had 3 months of oil supplies left. Were they not cornered in a way that left them no choice ? Was that not an act of war in itself ?
Where's that really funny one of that pig faced, bearded mullah laughing on top of the bodies of a million dead americans?
fuck you ZHers
LasVegasDave
What are you on about?
He's just trying to earn his neocon Retard Merit Badge.
Could the mullah do his magic on 22 million hourly government wagefare recipients?
FU
FU
You didn't build that nuclear bomb.
Any country would be crazy not to arm itself with nuclear weapons the way we go around invading and bombing anyone without them.
The interesting part would be when the states start doing that. One large southern state comes to mind.
Wasn't that District 13 or something?
Welcome_to_District_13
Nukes aren't a defensive weapon, they are a final solution weapon and unfortunately there are a lot of final solution regimes out there.
And here I thougt Pakistan had nukes. Yet we've bombed their territory, invaded it a time or two...but of course it was done by a Nobel Peace Prize winner, so I guess it doesn't count.
That's certainly the lesson Obama drove home by fucking over Ghaddafi, who had given up his nuclear weapons program very much voluntarily after seeing what became of Saddam when Saddam called W's non-bluff. Obama fucked Ghaddafi because Ghaddafi stopped being an enemy of the west and started doing business too. Obama fucked Mubarak for being an ally and promoted the Muslim brotherhood for being a mortal enemy. He's easy to understand.
Article saying same thing: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/10/what-kim-jong-il-learned-from-qaddafis-fall-never-disarm/247192/
“Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”
Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Obama sucks donkey !
No. I believe he sucks Reggie and Rahm.
Failing their way to victory
Where is today's Lee Harvey Oswald?
sitting in his mothers basement and taking out all of his pent up rage out on call of dooty twenty tootie. TPTB have this all figured out man.
There is a new game coming out that makes "Postal" look tame....
Hatred.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV3PhvCf_Jg
Wow. Now that's a game.
based on weekly happenings in Chicago?
Why should Iran be barred from having nuclear weapons when a lot of countries, who attack smaller countries for no reason, have them?
It's not a valid reason, but the answer is "because the juice said so."
Oh, you mean like the US? Basics 101, the bully doesn't like to be hit back.
Apex predator.
Hmm...
Obama is America's M.A.D. policy. Unfortunately it's our destruction he's assuring.
At least we have insurance and I don't mean Obamacare.
Ah yes, good old plagerizing plugs Biden. What a dumbass piece of shit.
....... I regret that I have but one upvote for to give you Sir......
......... but I offer +106 in moral support of your comment
Iran is forming nuclear bombs that have:
Just to be thorough.
The scorpion filled ISIS bombs.. ARE the bomb
Go ahead fuck around and miss a Mecca prayer break, they will send your ass out to rake up a 1000 scorpions...
I think the scorpion bomb kinda rocks. I wish I had one.
Or they're just EMP enhanced ones sized to go on the IRBMs they already have. For launch off some container ship just outside international waters. Buh Bye Great Satan.
Pakistan and India already have the bomb, and we're worried about Iran.
Yea, and you wanna hear the really scary part? WE have em, an we have been the only ones Psycho enough to actually use them.
Israel already has the bomb, and submarines to haul them around, and you think we should be worried about Pakistan and India?
The only thing that has kept America from invading North Korea to effect a "regime change" is fear of being nuked. If Saddam had really had one (Bush & Co. obviously knew he didn't), there wouldn't have been an Iraq War (and the American taxpayers would be a couple trillion less poor).
Nukes prevent wars.
Well, nukes will prevent wars until they don't.
I worry about nukes period, so add Israel to the list.
IMHO the smaller powers are those most likely to use them in the future.
Nukes don't cause wars,
psychopaths do.
Truman was a psychopath.
"Pakistan and India already have the bomb, and we're worried about Iran."
No, the Zionists who want, need, to institute Greater Israel, are concerned with having a rival power to Israel in the Middle East--Iran.
The "worry" about Iran is a created and instilled propagandist meme for riling up the west's Goy for sending their treasure and children for fodder duty.
The banksters need to repay us.
MAD was supposed to save us because other countries would fear our retaliation. Given that we have bailed or failed in every military adventure of the last sixty years, not from lack of power or technology, but for lack of will to actually do what is required to win, I doubt any of our potential opponents really believes we would ever pull the trigger on a nuke. America prefers to lead from behind (bribery and blackmail). Russia, on the other hand, is viewed differently. Everyone thinks they would do it. This is our real problem with any other country getting nukes. American leaders know there is no way they could use ours, even in a defensive role. MAD doesn't work any more.
Some enlightening reading on the west's plans for offensive nuke use. Also research the purging in the DC US' strategic nuke commands:
A must read on the coming Zionist war with Russia utilizing the DC US as war dog.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/12/u-s-govt-seeks-excuse-nuclear-att...
They put stealth offensive B2 in Europe in June:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/06/indications-u-s-planning-nuclear-...
They change nuke strike doctrine under Bush Jr. (2001), by CIA-Obama in 2010, and then again this year:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304620304575166263632513790?...
The banksters need to repay us.
China won't have any of it, they will back Russia - and the "Zionists" and the U.S. will be in a real pickle.
I still say if the Chinese decide it is time to put an end to U.S. hegemony and claim the Pacific and Asia all they have to do is nuke Hawaii and tell the U.S. that anything West of that is theirs.
People say I'm crazy with that idea, but the U.S. dropped two nukes on Japan in 1945 - coming up on 70 years ago.
kchrisc -
Please don't tell me that you are using the Washingtonblog as a scource. Stealth offensive B2 in Europe....... give me a break! We have had B2's in Europe, SEA and ME for years. They come and go. UK is host to the B2 (remember the protests years ago?) The ones with nukes, we keep on OUR bases, where ever we maintain a base under OUR control. They are on the 'Alert Pad'. usually 3 bombers (a sortie), under 24 hour security that even the crews can't get near without proper clearance. Avoid the Washington Blog at all costs. It is nothing more than opinion backed up by opinion and comspiracy theories.
Not sure I agree on your first strike these, but for responsive or last ditch survival defensive move, USA absolutely positively would launch with all that was believed required and likely a bit more.
That IS the nightmare scenario which may await the world at the other end of our current path of provocation and hegemonic hubris.
CIA-Obama's "policies" toward Iran are whatever his Zionist puppet masters have him read off the teleprompter.
The banksters need to repay us.
Yes, it is agreed. Iranians as with all cultures of the Muslim persuasion are the model of a rational, peace loving people. No worries....unless of course you insult Allah.
Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001-
“Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”
And I thought gun shows were cool when surplus AK-47's starting showing up...
Rest easy old news is definitely bad news... Been seeing these flying near Potomac Maryland off and on since July.
Gee?...
I wonder how quick the "trigger alert" will be on one of those when a few dozen of these get within 150 miles off Baltimore and Virginia Beach? Don't we do all of this by satellite these days???... Kinda WWI and IIish wouldn't ya say?!!!
Just goes to show you how much we matter to the elite that will be far gone when those balloons locate the "incoming", unlike the Russians that have millions of square acres of underground bunkers for survival!!! Or perhaps it will be a surprise from within just like 9/11 to help urge us on for the next big game!
If any of you American taxpayers know the location of the bunkers that you paid for with a giant Uncle Sam statue outside welcoming the public in for a rough holiday -please provide the latitude and longitude when the DoD makes that available for other than "first' class" those balloons wion't be protecting!
Son, you the man. how much gray matter out there ya think to grasp this.
Precious little I'm afraid.
Not one in ten thousand are even awake enough to see the rape and pillage on a scale never before seen by mankind, Which has been taking place since 2008.
Don't know when the plug will be pulled on this whole fantasy, but till it is, each day is as gift.
fumanchu
No need to employ nuclear weapons except for maybe one to three high altitude bursts across the rotted fruited plain. At this point, I'm kinda not wishing against it. Kim? Kim?
kinda go for that.
ling will du fuckmanchu legolas
Nukelar arms rayce??? Dat rayciss! Blacks have the right to have nukes too!
Iran is a partner with the West.....wake up
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obama = benedict arnold