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Gun Violence In America (In 6 Uncomfortable Charts)
A recent report, The Annual Review of Public Health, summarizes the basic facts of firearm violence, a large and costly public health problem in the United States for which the mortality rate has remained unchanged for more than a decade. It presents findings for the present in light of recent trends. Risk for firearm violence varies substantially across demographic subsets of the population and between states in patterns that are quite different for suicide and homicide. Suicide is far more common than homicide and its rate is increasing; the homicide rate is decreasing. As with other important health problems, most cases of fatal firearm violence arise from large but low-risk subsets of the population; risk and burden of illness are not distributed symmetrically. Compared with other industrialized nations, the United States has uniquely high mortality rates from firearm violence.
SUMMARY POINTS
1. The overall fatality rate from firearm violence has not changed in more than a decade.
2. Suicide is the most common form of fatal firearm violence (64.0% of deaths in 2012) and is increasing. Homicide is decreasing.
3. Homicide risk is concentrated to a remarkable degree among Black males through much of the life span. Mortality rates from firearm violence are very high and unchanged in this group.
4. Suicide risk is highest among White males beginning in adolescence. They also account for most fatalities from firearm violence and have increasing mortality rates.
5. As compared with other industrialized nations, the United States has low rates of assaultive violence...
...but uniquely high mortality rates from firearm homicide and suicide.
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This all comes down to education and jobs period.
I wonder what Ukraine's numbers look like? And how about Syria? and Iraq? Hmmmm.
"Homocide" is a legal term, and means one human taking the life of another. It doesn't matter if it's justifiable (the perp was beating and raping my wife at knifepoint), an accident (I was cleaning it and "it just went off"), or malicious (I wanted those Nikes, and he happened to have them). So the statistics may not mean what you think they mean ... or want them to mean.
The drop in fatalities due to firearms from the late eighties onward was due to better trauma care at central hospitals. A chart that doesn't look so good is the number of gunshot wounds. This number has nearly doubled in the last twelve years. Takeaway: don't confuse lower mortality with lower violence.
Another point to consider about the "epidemic" - most people know that certain cities are hotbeds of gun violence (you know who you are *COUGH chicago COUGH*). However, even that is skewed. Break it down further, and you'll see that in the "most notable" cities, the bulk of firearm "hits" (fatal or not) occur in certain neighborhoods. Break it down further, and in each of those hot zones, it tends to cluster around certain blocks or intersections. The "takeaway" from that is, eliminate those outliers, and the US actually has a relatively low rate of firearm deaths/"hits" (aside from suicide, which ... well, if not a bullet a handfull of pills will do - they will find a way). An applied version of "a bad apple spoils the bunch" ... especially if it creates the illusion of a "crisis" ... that "can't go to waste".
This young man explains why gun violence is so high in Chicago and other cities like Chicago.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0a9_1418597457
WTF is "firearm violence"?
where is the comparable stats for suicude by means other than self-inflicted gun shot?
What about "automobile violence"?
I'm calling BULLSHIT!
These 10 Countries Have The World's Highest Murder Rateshttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/10/worlds-highest-murder-rates_n_5...
Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people)http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5
< Ban firearms.
< Ban Black males.
Mortality rates from firearm violence are very high and unchanged in this group (ie young Black males).
I will gladly put up with "uniquely high mortality rates from firearm homicide and suicide" in exchange for "As compared with other industrialized nations, the United States has low rates of assaultive violence"
The reason being is that one wouldn't be assaulted if one is concealing.
people dont realize that most people are already in prison
I wonder what percentage of "suicides" involve people shooting themselves in the back of the head twice with a rifle or a shotgun?
Or a nailgun?
The guns are around to prevent government sponsored genocide. The author needs to compare his charts to charts for the various genocides of the 20th century.
But if the argument isn't good enough for the author, the author needs to understand that gun rights will never be argued or legislated away. If you can be merely talked out of your guns, then why bother with guns?
Just finished reading about the "gun turn in program" done in Poland at the end of World War II.
And of course why not talk about the media in all this, right?
Take a look at the numbers for Brazil some time.
They leave those off their charts.
"This young man explains why gun violence is so high in Chicago and other cities like Chicago."
Rules for visiting Da 'Hood:
"Take a look at the numbers for Brazil some time."
Indeed. More than a little inconvenient for the gun grabbers.
http://www.tfp.org/tfp-home/news-commentary/what-about-gun-violence-in-b...
I've been watching my guns very carefully. I do not feel any would want to be turned in. In fact, they told me they would fight that at all costs.
And fortunately none of them have shown any propensity towards violence. Perhaps it is because these are happier guns. I give them attention, I oil them, and sometimes feed them some fresh ammo.
Anyone have a warning list on what to watch for with a firearm that is gettting ready to break bad?
Spot on. And, for those that may want to take my guns I only have three words.
Cold. Dead. Hands.
"Anyone have a warning list on what to watch for with a firearm that is gettting ready to break bad?"
Sprouts chrome plating.
Gets a "Raven" or ".25ACP" tattoo.
Weakened magazine spring, or bent magazine lips can cause feeding problems.
I'd also like to see the chart include all deaths by firearms due to government conflicts. When we see the scale perpeptuated by governments versus everyday people, the whole argument will change.
That's why the people need to have the right to defend themselves.
Let's get another chart: offensive deaths versus defensive deaths. Does the author of this report want those that defended themselves to cease doing so? For what purpose?
Death-by-government in the 20th century (famine, genocide, civillian war casualties, military casualties) is well over 200 million. The author should ask those dead if they would have preferred to be armed against their governments or not.
http://necrometrics.com/all20c.htm
The relative lack of assaults in America means that American is a non-violent country, and even less so if you adjust for extremely violent blacks which do not reside in other 1st world nations.
Gun violence is much higher in America versus the rest of the 1st world, because we are the only nation that has relatively free access to guns. In the rest of the 1st world the gun violence is very likely from criminals using illegal guns on unarmed citizens.
If government or NGOs are worried about suicide, they should focus on the roots of suicide and improve people's lives.
Focusing one means of suicide is pointless in terms of suicide prevention.
Just to burst your bubble:
We don't get to have guns in the UK.
And who's fault is that? If you vote to rid yourselves of firearms, I guess you're complicit in your own demise.
Vote? when was that?
Just like you Merikan's have all got guns and yet you whine about your fucked up gov and politicans.
You do not have guns in the UK because the criminals infesting the UK government want to be able to control you, to KILL you if they think you have become a threat to them.
Government is the biggest murderer by far. Murder by governments of their own citizens numbers in the hundreds of millions in just the last hundred or so years. Truely horrible yet the murderers keep on trying to take guns away from law abiding citizens.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM
Want to really save some lives? Take the guns away from murdering governments and give them to the citizens.
This article is a disgusting cover for the government mega murderers.
Grimaldus
I find it interesting that it does not appear to be a contributed piece. Therefore, it must mean that Statist Tyler currently has the conn.
Statist Tyler, I suggest you go find Marla and ask her to enlighten you (while she lightens you of your atrophied testicles).
Number of people in the UK killed by cops with guns in the last year = Zero
Number of people in the US killed by cops with guns in the last year THAT THEY REPORTED = 458
Tell me again how having guns is helping you prevent the government from killing you
i know an easy way to get rid of our growing problem of people commiting suidice with guns: stop sending so many of our young people to fight in endless, misguided wars of choice. A huge % of those gun suicides are veterans killing themselves. If we stop wasting peoples lives like that, a lot less of them will come back and kill themselves.
There is nothing uncomfortable about the data, except in politically correct circles. Figure 6 is supposed to somehow paint America as having a problem, but Figure 3 shows that the problem isn't nearly across all of America, it's across a demographic that is much less prevalent in the other contries presented in Figure 6.
An additional point is that much of the amplitude represented in Figure 3 occurs in places where strong self-defense rights are not present, making it not only far-fetched but downright sinister to imply that any improvement would come from having self-defense rights be further curtailed elsewhere, i.e., where there isn't such a problem.
It's a cultural thing. People say its a demographic thing, yet that happens to be a proxy for culture. The line between demographics and culture can get a bit fuzzy, but I would consider black or hispanic a demographic variable where as I would consider the beliefs and traditions of a group to be culture.
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2...
mean opposite of http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2...
this is all bullshit, usa is violent, period.
Turn your TV off. It has rotted what little brain you have.
He can't... it's his only friend.
When you say the USA is violent....... how do you mean??
Certainly we have enjoyed a rather extensive history of violence but on the whole I think we've preferred to be left to ourselves and would have been quite content to live a life free of oppressive government regulations - fundamentally libertarian in our thinking - that is until the tribal instinct was engaged by those who would be king - banksters and captains of industry of the 19th century - essentially making their fortunes off the backs of the labor of others with the onset of the industrial revolution - though it's hard to say we were all that peace loving in the earlier years given our predisposition to lying, cheating and ultimately murdering the native peoples....... not unlike our actions today other than the minor detail that we now do it all over the world whenever someone connected to our "leaders" believe their interests are served by the murder of a people. We have been very good at kidding ourselves throughout our history and all too willing to buy into the propaganda du jour whether it was an Sioux uprising along the western frontier a hundred fifty years ago or North Korea hacking a corporate fascist organization last week - they {TPTB} run the bullshit flag up the flagpole whenever it suits them and we Salute it every fucking time.........
Anyway what is your reason for saying the USA is violent...... again.....
You beat me to the post! I was thinking the same thing. The term "gun violence" was created by so-called progressives {they are really communist} who are playing word games on stupid people. Stupid people hear the term, and they go into a trance, and associate guns with violence. In all of my years, I have never witnessed "gun violence". I have seen plenty of violence done to people by other people, and what object was used is really besides the point to anyone except the progressives. Guns don't kill people anymore than pens write symphonies. It is the people behind them. Jeez....
Seriously, who the hell would down vote that logic. I'm really interested to see someone explain the logic one uses to dispute that.
Logic? There is no logic to explain it. It is pure emotion.
Anyone with a triple digit IQ knows that people will kill people with or without guns. The largest school killing in US history was with dynamite, for example.
My theory is that these people would never trust themselves with a gun. They can easily conceive of them getting angry enough to pull it out and shoot someone with it. They also see themselves as smart--so why would they ever trust you or me with a gun if they can't trust themselves?
This is why the anti gun rights crowd so frequently attack the intelligence of gun owners. Their only argument is that gun owners can't be trusted--everything else is rationalization.
Our resident progressives are not required to display logic. It's in the bylaws or charter or some such.
We need to argue with people we disagree with more often. The counter argument I have heard is that pens, cars, knives, etc. have many useful purposes; whereas, guns have only one purpose. This counter argument contains multiple hidden (implied) logical fallacies, but consider that if a public debate were the forum where one encountered it for the first time, then one might not be able to instantly grasp all the implied fallacies and form the perfect counterargument.
They are also always motivated by hate for some group who they desperately want to keep disarmed - such as Constitutionalists.
When question further, as to the exact purpose of firearms, the respone I hear is, "to kill." My counter follows:
A firearm is a tool used by humans. It can be used in the intiation of force, or in defense against it. In either case, a human is behind the weapon, and the firearm isn't necessarily discharged to achieve an objective. In such cases, a firearm has been used to project force yet has not been used to kill. In the defensive posture, a firearm likely saved lives. A firearm may also be used to put food on the table, thus sustaining life.
OTOH, Hospitals are built, and medicine is praticed with the sole purpose of saving lives, yet how many people die annually as the result of having sought medical attention?
Usually at this point the as hominem beings.
You can start with the poster a few posts up with the long rifle for an avatar.
The author of this paper is a well-known activist with a history of pushing for anti-gun rights legislation. Just something to keep in mind when looking at the charts.
See, for example, http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/07/foghorn/ny-times-confuses-opini...
Is there a word that means "slanted, accurate, & misleading"? Two brief points...
1. The 1st chart shows a comparison of "Firearm vs Non-Firearm Violence"
(The only thing less guns could do to that chart is to transpose the two lines).
2. The chart of "Mortality Rates" listed by nation...
(Having seen the lack of gun rights in several of these nations, not to mention
crime & punishment, this chart would be akin to me making a chart comparing
"Vehicle Accidents of Saudi Males vs. Saudi Females". FFS
There's lies, damn lies, and statistics...
If you want a great example of what "gun violence" looks like, here it is (in this clip from Goodfellas)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XjApHj0OgI
This was sent to me unsolicited the other day. I can't verify it's accuracy, rings true.
503 days after Travon
This pretty well sums up the issue. During the 503 days between the
Trayvon Martin shooting and the Zimmerman verdict.....10,865 blacks
Were killed by other blacks.
That is, on average, over 21 per DAY!
Also: The United States ranks 3rd in murders throughout the world.
However, if you take out Chicago, Detroit, Washington, D.C., and New
Orleans, the United States is 4th from the bottom for murders.
These 4 cities have the toughest gun control laws in the United States
And all are predominantly black.
It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this "
Also: The United States ranks 3rd in murders throughout the world.
Not so, when it comes to rate; this data says otherwise:
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?order=wbapi_data_valu...
Is it so surprising that the MSM, which lies about everything, also lies about guns?
Turn your TV off.
I believe your point isn't lost on long time member SWR... jus' saying.
It would be tough to find a more sinister group of criminals than those that make up the "World Bank"
Grimaldus
If you take out the murder rates for the 10 most violent cities in the US (Camden, Chicago, Memphis, New Orleans, Detroit, etc.), then the US falls way way down the list.
Detroit does not have tough gun control laws (same as Michigan). Just violent as shit. Point taken in those other cities.
Actually the gun control laws of Michigan are extremely excessive and unconstitutional.
Grimaldus
How about government violence? Estimated 150-270 million murdered (not counting war) in the 20th century...
Huffington Post???????Seriously ???
Another success story of the public education system.
I admit I'm not a chartist but some of the titles on these charts don't seem to match up correctly with the explanation of them. It also looks like the data is presented in a biased fashion.
This author has an agenda and is being dishonest. The HIGHEST rates of gun murder are places where they have banned guns. EVERY study to date, including the highly biased one commissioned by the Fuhrer himself have shown the same thing no matter historical time frame and no matter what nation or society they look at.
More guns = less crime
Less guns = more crime
It's practically a mathematical equation at this point. Tell us, what are we supposed to do when an armed intruder breaks into our home? Call the cops? Why? What do they have? Oh that's right, they have GUNS. If guns offer no protection, why is every politician surrounding by armed goons?
Keep this in mind. In the past century there have been 17 genocides, and ALL were preceded by gun confiscation.
It's not the gun, but the person holding it. I own guns but have never once pointed them at any living creature.
Unless a 16 year old on Prozac and mind fucked take an AK47 or an M16 and shoot at everything that move...
Well as long I can wear a Mark III or IV bulletproof vest I wouldn't mind to live in a Gun Full Zone.
Hope one day science will develop force field that stop any kinetic object coming at you, that would be real progress in security making politics... Oh yeah it would even render war useless.
Waiting for downvote :)
You've been watching too many false flag school shootings on TV. Your sense of reality is out of whack.
Shut off your TV and begin your recovery.
Hate to break it to ya, but that same 16 yr old on prozac could just a well drive his car through the crosswalk at the local elementary school to achieve his blood thirst. He doesn't need an assault weapon to do it. Your logic fails the same as it fails in bitcoin. It's not that bitcoin isn't all you think it is... it's that there can be created an infinite number of sister coins with the exact same properties as bitcoin, thereby rendering the topic moot. In like ways, yes, guns can kill people, but your fallacy is in thinking that if there are no guns, the killing of people will stop. Silly little man.
Yeah, with a car I can kill a whole school in few minute o.O, if I wanted to kill that many people I would still use a gun and shoot at everything I see it's more easy.
And for Bitcoin it seems you don't understand it either, Bitcoin is used because people found it practical, the alt-coin are just copy of the original Bitcoin.
Bitcoin will not die because of the possible infinite creation of alt-coin, only an alt-coin who offer new things such more security or more anonymity will be able to have a chance to kill Bitcoin.
Remember good money chase the bad one.
Sorry I stick with the bulletproof vest :)
And your guns will be completly useless too :)
That is one of the most dain bramaged things I have read in quite a while. Understand psychology and the masses and apply a little foresight. Even though bitcoin is nothing, and can be fractioned into oblivion - only with the agreement of the players, of course (psych), an alt-coin only has to convince enough people that an unfractioned bitcoin is too expensive and an alternate is a better value to a) generate critical mass sales with the come lately lemmings, and b) convince retailers and others to start accepting competing coins, thus diluting code money. It is the height of stupidity (imo) to look at what they did to fiat, knowing full well that there were ironclad rules to prevent what we are seeing right in front of our eyes, and then think that "well, dis software will prevent dat monkey bidness". :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES: :ROLLEYES:
Gawd, what the fuck ? Are you that brain dead ?
Meanwhile, you know that you can buy very good guns and meth without the gubernement knowing it ?
The libertarians crowd and gun lovers are more than happy with it, for them it's like the second coming of Jesus.
And love it or hate it Bitcoin tech is here to stay.
You are a pure gem bro !
Bitcoin:
Backed by nothing.
Valued in dollars.
Time will show the Yugo had a longer lifespan.
Well if you assume that Math (you know that discipline that make the world go round) is nothing.
Gold valued in USD worth nothing also ?
I also own guns...and to date have pointed them at no less than five people with the intent of protecting my person and my property. In all cases the agressions were halted in their tracks with no bloodshed or property loss. Also, in all cases the cops came after all that was left was cuffing up the perps. It would not have gone so well, were I not armed.
Note:when you hear that bump in the night, the second thing to grab is your cell phone. You'll look damned foolish trying to lead some joker back into the house to get it.
All we need to do in America is act like all the Europeans and simply put our guns down and then put on our 'jammies' and sit in a circle and pass around the booze and weed until we wake up in our own vomit.
You fail to understand progressive thought. The fact that gun violence in gun restricted zones is higher only proves their case, as does the reason communism fails is not due to its policies but because the rest of the world does not adopt it. Their policies demand only one thing to be effective....100% participation, no deviation, no tolerance for contrary actions....or even opinion. It makes me laugh when I hear them speak of tolerance when ultimately they have zero tolerance for any ideas other than their own.
Gun violence will only end when no guns exist in private hands. Gun violence by government will not be a measured metric other than to calculate ammo budgets. Their pursuit of gun control will only exacerbate more violence as people resist, which in turn, as always is with government policies, will only increase the demand for more control, more power, more domi action.
We can't have the worker's paradise until everyone is under the yoke.
Ok.
Again, who down votes posts like this. Speak up. State your reasoning, so we can rip you a new asshole. Surely you have some twisted logic to support your views, so lets see them.
Don't forget the Gun Free Zones. How does the crime rate stack up there?
But that would be......profiling !
A poulation that shoots each other less than the UK population is slave populations.
A population that shoots each other even less than slave populations is prison populations.
Not only is the US more free, but one must consider that the US government is trying desperately to instigate as much violence as possible without exposing themselves, then they can use that as a pretense for more of a police state. Such instigation is unecessary in countries where the people have already been disarmed. Once the US population has also been disarmed, then the whole world can move safely towards more of a police state.
A little perspective would be helpful. For example, more people, way more, in the US die from mistakes by trained Drs. and nurses in hospitals that by criminal homicide. More people die from drunk drivers than by guns fired with ill intent.
Not only that, the number of cops killed by armed thugs is at a RECORD low. The #1 killer of cops on duty are vehicle wrecks. This author has anti-America, pro-tyranny agenda.
The delusion above is palpable.
Even if it doesn't fit preconceptions, including mine, I still appreciate valid observations from all sides of the argument.
I got a buddy who did trauma for many years. Talk about a wild collection of X-rays.
Good to know he massively violated HIPAA laws and apparently took patient's peronsal X-Rays home.
It is a massive privacy violation and any provider who takes things out of a patient's medical record for his own amusement should be fined considerably. Same as a lawyer violating attorney-client privileges. Only a-holes would give comment a thumbs down.
as is the automobile death statistics. they have been about flat at say 40,000 per year (really, 40,000 and we accept that as 'normal'). those numbers would be staggering today if it were not for mobile phones.
The uncomfortable statistics for medical care in hospitals:
200,000 DEATHS and 2,000,000 infected from HOSPITAL ACQUIRED infections.
100,000 deaths from prescription drug overdose or interaction or abuse, number effected unknown, estimated 5,000,000 injured
400,000 killed in hospital mistakes, poor or wrong treatment. Unknown number effected, estimates 20,000,000 injured
These stats are from NIH. That is 700,000 deaths from those "helping" in the medical community, and only about 3,000,000 die a year in the USSA
Add to it most gun deaths are from a murder that is black, about 3:1 and usually male.
Truth is NOBODY wants to address the TRUTH!
Source of gunshot victims data at hospitals? There isn't a national source because there is no national claims data with billing codes to verify those numbers.
If you want to see an exponential increase is gun violence, take away the weapons from the citizens and just watch Democide run out of control as governments careen downhill from Democracies to Dictatorships...
Then watch those figures explode! And all, of course, justifiable according to that same government who points those gun barrels against their own citizens.
Do yoou have a source for that assertion? Pretty sure it's BS.
Do the figures include people shot by the cops?
They would fall under the suicide by cops category if killed.
The state of the Ukrainian military...
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/five-more-soldiers-killed-in-ukr...
Ukrainian citizens are now providing their military—beleaguered by the country’s weak finances and months of fighting against the Russian-backed rebels—with knitted suits, scrap metal, and even a crowd-funded tank...
Standard Disclaimer: Know when you are beaten...
Irrelevant. You Americans wont admit to your gun law/rights stupidity
Natural selection.
NO it comes down to IQ and testosterone. Black males commit more violent crimes because of a low IQ and high testosterone levels.
And no daddy in the home for generations now.
Jump the shark - "This all comes down to education and jobs period."
You forgot the /sarc tag.
There is no connection between guns and suicide rates. The US rate is lower than France, Austria, Japan, Korea, and statistically close to Germany and UK. These all have very restrictive gun laws.
Suicide rates are a cultural Phenomena. If you want suicide rates to drop you have to start by teaching people from a very young age to have reverence for human life.
Most violent crime rate in Europe? United Kingdom! Where you can't even own a gun outside of a gun club and there is no handgun ownership.
In the decade following the new gun laws1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.
The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:
But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents.
In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Euro...
Gun violence is particularly high in Ferguson, Missouri.
Gun violence is particularly high in other countries that have our oil.
A location better known as "Fergadishu" I believe!
What says you, Al Sharpton?
Hands up! Lets loot?
Fuck Sandy Hook.
You bastad. Pay homage to the imaginary children of sandy hook. Troublemakers like you stand in the way of progress. And that other thing, tyranny.
"Robbie Parker" is still "crying". Then he laughs a little. Gene Rosen, well words can not describe this "guy". Good thing they razed the school to the ground, and the company who did it is sworn to secrecy, because, you know, for the childrens.
Murica salutes patriuts. We are suckers for propaganda. Damn you TV! TV makes mind control sexy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K0NDMMhAIg
When you hear the phrases: "common sense", "everybody knows", "for the safety of the public", or my favorite ... "the safety of the children", run for cover because the government is about to rape you.
It is said the school was already closed down 4 years earlier because it had asbestos and lead paint.
Dear Annual Review of Public Health,
What's your point?
"Guns are bad." It's typical anti-gun propaganda cloaked in the rubric of "public health."
Yes, you see in the mind of the anti-gunner any inanimate object (such as a gun or a car or a butter knife or a even a ladder to clear the leaves from your rain gutter) is disease carrying.
They can all LEAD TO DEATH!!!...lol.
Exactly...you took the words right out of my mouth.
chart no. 5 is the most telling.
Well arighty then. Guns r bad ok?
Funny. The suicide rate for ZH readers seeing click bait doom porn is absolutely higher.
Deport Illegal Aliens
Deport all the guns
We love to send guns to 3rd world countries. To Americans not so much.
signed,
Democrats.
So, mortality rate meaning good guys or bad guys? And I'm not seeing a chart for DEFENSIVE mortality rates. Ahhh yes, give a control freak the raw stats of stabbings with broken bottles and I'll give you a reason to ban glass ;-)
Don't bring math into this - it fucks up the whole narrative.
Yeah, sucks don't it, just like McDonalds I guess.
Billions of people served and they go on to enjoying their lives and all it takes is one idiot spilling hot coffee into his own lap and he makes a federal case out of his own stupidity ;-)
Once Jackie Chiles shows up, it is all political
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoINTDFosCY
One would think that in the progressive world we live in that there would be considerably less concern about mortality rates when the primary complaint is overpopulation, the damage humans impose on the planet and more specifically the fact that America is evil and responsible for everything wrong in the world. I would think they would be gifting us guns. At least the high suicide numbers give them hope that their self hate indoctrination is working.
WTF is going on in Belgium? Almost 7 percent of the population reports being assaulted in the prior twelve months?
7% of the population getting their asses kicked every year.
The "grim reaper" is on vacation?
Have you been to Belgium recently? There are more Muslims in Brussels than in Iraq
How dare you slander the Religion of Peace.
I am too busy driving this taxicab to do it myself, but I am going to send you a sword so you can cut your own head off, lying infidel.
Make sure you send Rita Katz, her blue screen and orange jumpsuit for the beheading.
http://bigdanblogger.blogspot.com/2014/09/queen-of-fake-bin-laden-videos...
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/02/make-israel-stop-beheading-journ...
That's because we don't even bother to report (or prosecute) "minor" crimes like mere physical assaults (like big city car theft, burglaries, etc.) Belgium doesn't kill people with guns so they gotta come up with SOME crime. Like drunken brawls. The beer there is amazing.
Jean-Claude is back in town
That's because Brussels is now a veritable Rome, that attracts varmints from ME and Africa.
I know of NATO guys who whisper or speak carefully when out in public, lest they get... reported and disciplined. I kid you not.
It's due to the PC agenda that the US has spread to the EU. And you must have a pretty good idea where PC and social re-engineering is coming from in the US, right?
I thought I came to ZH to avoid journalistic BS like this article.
Yeah, you came to ZH to avoid facts ("Journalistic BS") and were hit with some. Merry Xmas.
Some people's timelines are shorter than others.
Summed up the article in a single sentence.
"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle." -Sun Tzu
When I look at the US figures divided up into subsets, I always think the same thing.
It's the joos.
Okay, that's what others think about it.
It's the knee grows.
Okay, that's something else that others think about it.
What I think is the relative divergence between a group of people who were probably raised up around guns and taught their uses and misuses at an early age, and a population that is deprived of such early instruction and only buys a shiny new toy after they are over the age of consent.
Early childhood education could cut this statistic down to a level that is not particularly higher than any other civilized society and yet retain the ultimate argument of kings safe in the hands of the people-- where it belongs-- rather than permitting a monopoly of force to the government who have always used such an advantage against their own citizens.
Only one factor stands in the way of achieving a one world society and it ain't Grandmother Putin.
I can't give you an up or down. Up until, "What I think is the relative....." The group you speak of was not deprived of early instruction, they grow up using guns on each other after theiir hommies show them how to use it. And, they certainly don't BUY thier guns, they steal them.
Careful what you wish for. Legislate gun instruction as a requirement for gun ownership and you have the Gov dictating more regulation and 'Sorry, you didn't pass the course, you can't have a gun.'
As you point out more than half of these are suicides, and countries like Japan have a higher suicide rate even though they don't have guns - so I think its foolish to think these people would not find another way to commit suicide.
The leftists also love to call everything else a "homicide" even though this includes many justifiable defensive shootings. Many of the remainder are a combination of gang violence, drug related violence and unfortunately domestic violence. Despite the media's slanted reporting, very few innocent people walking down the street are shot outside of the bad neighborhoods of "gun free" cities like Chicago, and Washington DC, where we disarm the citizens while criminals remain armed.
Finally you can't look at just one side of the equation. The fact is that even by the most conservative estimates, firearms are used defensively a minimum of 500,000 times each year, with some estimates well over 2 million times/year, usually without a shot ever being fired. Compare this to less than 11,000 non-suicide deaths, some of which were certainly justified shootings. So far more (50-200x more) lives are saved by firearms than those lost - which is why the violent crime rates in the US are lower than most of the rest of the world.
Are these "saved" lives 50x less valuable than the ones lost?
Gun violence is directly related to people violence.
I've had a gun on my nightstand for years. Never once did I see it creeping around the house searching for someone to shoot.
I'll have to watch it a little closer now that you threw these scary charts up here.
@ Duc888
Your post made me think of this old video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zQ83fhKQ0M
I guess we should just ban black teens. Makes about as much sense as banning guns.
I used to console myself with the thought that in the case of TEOTWAWKI, at least most of the Libs/Dems wouldn't have much in the way of guns, being so anti-gun and all.
Then my wife showed me a recent pew poll showing something like 20% shift in sentiment from anti to pro...across the board, national sentiment.
Normally, a 2nd amendment guy would be encouraged by this, but you have to ask yourself, what demographics would change opinion on guns, and probably guns only?
Be careful what you wish for, it'll bite you in the ass.
We could at least stop paying to breed them.
So guns are so evil according to the gun grabbers yet the death rate from guns isn't THAT much higher than non gun deaths and the majority of gun deaths are via suicide which is nobody's business because if someone wants to off themselves then that is their damn right. Yep, guns are evil and everyone is running around killing others because they have a gun. We'll ignore that a) isn't the case and b) if someone wants to kill another person then they will do it guns or no guns. It's as though gun grabbers don't think violent crimes/homicides happened until guns were created.
Fuck gun grabbers...and I do not have a gun so it isn't as though I am biased.
Oh and the the reason blacks have a higher homicide rate is of coruse because of racism. Whitey is either shooting blacks because all whites are racist or if it is black on black crime then it is because whitey held the blacks down. Blacks are never responsible for their negative actions or decisions. Blacks are all genetically peaceful and have no intention of harming their fellow blacks if not for whitey here. This somehow explains why in predominately black countries you see a lot of the ethnic cleansing and other forms of genocide between the blacks.
They only have a right to assisted suicide with big pharma drugs, not a gun.
My anti-depressants keep jamming the magazine. Sad.
...we shot some folks
There are three kinds of liars...
You have your white liars, who lie to save someone else's feelings.
You have your bold face liars who lie when the truth would serve them better, and finally the worst are...
Statisticians, who twist lies into the truth with statistics.
Out of context statistics is a perfect form of spurious logic.
The people I knew best who killed themselves:
1. woman in her early 50s: hanged herself
2. guy in his early 60s: used his car exhaust
3. woman in her early 20s: hanged herself
4. guy in his early 50s (who had kids, ugh): stepped in front of a train
5. guy in his 30s (a relative): used his gun
Really, if people want to kill themselves, unfortunately they will manage. Having access to a gun will make you more likely to use a gun, no doubt. But unless they outlaw rope and car fumes and trains, I really don't think we're ending suicide. Saying guns are a major cause is just an excuse to restrict gun ownership.
Apparently blacks should be required to attend a gun safety program but that would require a classroom..........