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Hacking Collective Anonymous Says FBI Is Lying, "North Korea Is Not Source Of Hack"
Having confirmed unequivocally, in a statement by the FBI and reiterated by President Obama, that "the North Korean government is responsible" for hacking Sony, it appears the YouTube-less 'evidence' the FBI provided is being questioned by the hacking-collective 'Anonymous' and former Lulzsec hacker Sabu. As The Daily Beast reports, the hackers blasted, the North Koreans "don’t have the technical capabilities," and added "we all know the hacks didn't come from North Korea, and "all of the evidence FBI cites would be trivial things to do if a hacker was trying to misdirect attention to DPRK." Meanwhile, on Saturday afternoon, Guardians of Peace, the hacking group that’s so far claimed responsibility for wreaking havoc on Sony, posted a message online mocking the FBI’s investigation - a series of gyrating animated bodies shrieking, "You are an idiot!"
While the FBI, President Obama, and George Clooney seem thoroughly convinced that the Guardians of Peace are the work of Pyongyang—the name “Guardians of Peace” comes from a quote used by former President Richard Nixon describing South Korea—many hackers online have questioned the allocation of blame from Day One, including former Lulzsec hacker turned government information Sabu, who maintains they “don’t have the technical capabilities,” and Anonymous, who wrote, “we all know the hacks didn't come from North Korea,” and threatened to launch further hacks against Sony if they don't release the film online.
Some of the world’s leading cybersecurity experts have also questioned whether North Korea is responsible for hacking Sony, claiming a decided lack of evidence or that it came from a group posing as North Korea as misdirection, such as Brett Thomas, chief technology officer of Redwood City, California-based online services company Vindicia:
All of the evidence FBI cites would be trivial things to do if a hacker was trying to misdirect attention to DPRK http://t.co/hkZ3D7ZfxK
— Brett Thomas (@the_quark) December 19, 2014
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And it appears the alleged Sony hackers are not impressed...
On Saturday afternoon, Guardians of Peace, the hacking group that’s so far claimed responsibility for wreaking havoc on Sony, posted a message online mocking the FBI’s investigation.
It is as follows:
“By GOP
The result of investigation by FBI is so excellent that you might have seen what we were doing with your own eyes.
We congratulate you success.
FBI is the BEST in the world.
You will find the gift for FBI at the following address.”Then, they included a link to the following video titled “you are an idiot!”—essentially Rickrolling the FBI.
The video opens with some words in Japanese, before cutting to a series of gyrating animated bodies shrieking, "You are an idiot!"
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Of course none of this changes the US Government narrative and that has North Korea upset...
- *U.S. `GROUNDLESSLY' BLAMING NORTH KOREA FOR SONY HACK: KCNA
- *N. KOREA SAYS SELF-STYLED `GUARDIANS OF PEACE' HACKED SONY:KCNA
- *N. KOREA SAYS SONY HACKERS TOOK `RIGHTEOUS ACTION': KCNA
- *N. KOREA SAYS IT'S UNAWARE OF `RESIDENCE' OF SONY HACKERS: KCNA
- *N. KOREA SAYS IT DOESN'T KNOW WHERE SONY HACKERS ARE: KCNA
Adding
- *U.S. ADMINISTRATION INVOLVED IN MAKING OF SONY MOVIE: KCNA
- *N. KOREA SAYS `THE INTERVIEW' INCITES TERRORISM: KCNA
- *N. KOREA SAYS `FORTUNATE' MOVIE DISTRIBUTION WAS CANCELED: KCNA
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Old news.
http://cryptome.org/
Why should we even give a shit? Oh, I get it. You're bringing attention to something which is supposed to distract us from what's important, which then makes it important because it's a distraction, right?. Okay. Carry on.
LOLOL
So you're expecting me to trust these "experts" over the words of my government?
You've got to be kidding me!
Would the FBI lie? What about Waco?
Where is the NSA in all this? They monitor ALL of the internet traffic on earth and they can't proactively prevent this sort of nonsense? What the f@ck are they doing with the billions they get every year?
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the NSA DID do it. The whole thing is just to convenient for too many people. False flags for everybody.
Seems obvious to me the NSA did it. They hack every digital communication on the US, and a good part of those of the rest of the world. We know this. Thus they MUST be the first suspect.
I assume the guy who trusts his government is using satire. If not, what a fuckwit.
And as for the media beat-up on this, something that is essentially trivial, it's just further evidence that the MSM is the propoganda arm of the USSA government, if we needed any more evidence. Clearly they have been directed to make a mountain out of this molehill. Why? Well, who benefits? The NSA, the war-fighters, the authoritarians, the banksters. As usual.
In England they used to have a thing called a "D-notice", still do for all I know. If the government issued a D-notice on a story, then mentioning that story in the media was a national security offence and sent people to jail. Mentioning the existence of the D-notice was the same. I suspect we have the same thing in the USSA, where even mentioning the existence of the law sends you to Guantanamo, or worse. Why else did the coverage of Ebola go from saturation to nothing overnight? Even here? Why is no one saying WTF?? about this ridiculous story?
We are soooo fucked....
I don't know still looks like DPRK was behind the attacks in some way, particularly after their latest batshit statements threatening more attacks.
The NSA did it. They are pissed that Seth Rogan is getting paid more than James Franco.
So when is Alex Jones going to grab his bullhorn and chant "Sony was an inside job!"
Cyberwar bytchiz!!! Kruggybear luvz this. Think of all those digital broken windoze.
Find another website you dumb nigger.
That was useful. Disagreeing with popular opinion within a group is definately a sign of being dumb. We should all agree with what you think. That would make us smarter. Then maybe you could start telling us what to think. Then we would be even smarter.
Also, you probably need a comma somewhere in that sentence. I assume, given the capitalization and period, you were attempting to create a correct sentence.
"you were attempting to create a correct sentence. "
Its a blog dude. Get over it.
Or Sony did it, just a possibility. The Obama "act of war" reaction strongly suggests NSA all the way.
duplicate....
Would be an easy way to purge unwanted executives and create tons of hype for an, otherwise, mediocre movie.
The NSA is only looking for "actionable intelligence," like someone's porn preferences, peccadilloes, and predilections. Things that can be "actionably" used to control someone with.
In other words, "bomb" won't trigger anything unless it's a sex position with a little boy.
The banksters need to repay us.
the problem the NSA (like all the 5 eyes have) is that they monitor ALL traffic, it's like a squad car sitting at an intersection watching the traffic go by, which car of the myriad has the burglars in it so TPTB just pick on the usual suspects.
They are trying to pick up the needle by increasing the number of haystacks under observation.
Less than 0.01% of people on here understand how computers work, of those less than 0.01% understand how networked computers work.
Sony (and in particular Sony Executives) are responsible for this, Sony rootkitted Playstation users (an illegal hack where no executives went to jail (corzinified)) they then sat on the PSN vuln for months until whitehats were forced to publicise to make Sony take action.
Everybody and his dog has been in Sony and told them about it ans still they did nothing about it.
Until CEO's go to jail for allowing customer data to be walked out of the building then nothing will be done.
Jail one and the rest will breath a sigh of relief (there fir the grace..) jail a second and that will be the last.
How much did Sony shareholders lose from this, take it from the boardroom paypacket and it won't happen again.
Precisely what Binney said.
Watching Teh Pr0ns? NSA are government employees. Nuff said.
"over the words of my government?"
What? You own a bank? Why didn't you say so!
Just out: wikileaks publishes secret CIA guidelines to escape scrutinity at airports. https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/
OMG! Another One. They're spreading like a cancer now. Before you know it they'll swarm ZH and our only recourse will be to go back to Fox News and the NYT. Damn!!!
Why SONY??????
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/12/how-hollywood-spurned-by-congress-pressures-states-to-attack-google/
Not too long ago, Sony had a layoff, including IT types.
Also, it was SONY, a few years back, that peddled those CDs which had illegal malware barring any other CDs from being run on the same PC or laptop.
Plus . . . well, you saw those emails?
Bullshit! It was North Korea!
Huffington Post, Rachel Maddow, MSNBC, CNN, CNBC and Obama would never ever lie!
Left Right, Red Blue. Boo Hoo. Go screw.
It's either that or they could never tell the truth, I say the latter.
I'll believe it when I see Colin Powell swear to it before the United Nations ... or when Condee Rice warns of NK's "mushroom cloud" threat to us.
That will seal the deal for me!
The North Korea Potemkin gulag exists to keep Japanese military Imperialism in check and maintain the raison d'etre for occupational US MIC bases in the hood.
Same as it ever was....
Japanese military imperialism? You've got to be joking... Time to put the crack pipe down and step away from the keyboard because you have obviously lost the plot...
And Japanese military autonomy doesn't exist because?...Godzilla!
The plot exist in a history longer than the ADHD you are peddling.
Please tell me why...given the enormous military, technological and diplomatic resources at hand the US Imperial chess board has allowed the Norks to survive as long as they have?
http://www.infowars.com/who-gave-north-korea-nukes-in-the-first-place/
Amidst reports that North Korea now has nuclear-equipped ballistic missiles as experts warn a conflict on the Korean peninsular is more likely than not, it’s important to remember who armed North Korea with nuclear weapons in the first place – namely the U.S. government and the CIA.
A portion of a Defense Intelligence Agency report revealed yesterday by Rep. Doug Lamborn of Colorado states the DIA is moderately confident that, “the North currently has nuclear weapons capable of delivery by ballistic missiles.”Although subsequently denied by White House and Pentagon officials, the revelation arrives amidst continued threats and posturing by the Hermit kingdom to launch attacks against the United States and South Korea.
However, while bellicose threats are being carelessly traded by both sides and eagerly regurgitated by the mainstream media, the question of how exactly North Korea acquired its nuclear capability in the first place has been completely ignored.
Both the Clinton and Bush administrations played a key role in helping the late Kim Jong-Il develop North Korea’s nuclear prowess from the mid 1990?s onwards.
Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld presided over a $200 million dollar contract to deliver equipment and services to build two light water reactor stations in North Korea in January 2000 when he was an executive director of ABB (Asea Brown Boveri). Wolfram Eberhardt, a spokesman for ABB confirmed that Rumsfeld was at nearly all the board meetings during his involvement with the company.
[Emphasis mine]
Forget the dialectic...I think you are looking for the Hegelian epilectic...
If this hack....no matter who did it....hastens Sony's death....I'm all for it.
This company hasn't done anything right since the Betamax, the Trinitron monitor and the Walkman.
They didn't market nor price nor license the Betamax right. They got caught with their pants down when the iPod came out. All they did in the PC world was copy Apple with an OS (Windows) that does nothing but copy Apple. When LCD's started to take over Sony had to outsource SAMSUNG panels to stay iin the TV business. You want to over pay for a Samsung LCD......then buy a Sony. Because that's what you will do.....over pay for a Samsung monitor with Sony's name on it.
They fucked Ericcson over....who used to make bullet proof phones. Now Sony tries to pawn off Ericcson phones as the iPhone of the Android world with prices to match. Here's a clue you fucktards. Everyone knows that every Android phone is the same except for the bloatware that you fucking companies try to differetiate yourselves with. It's still a fucking Android phone. Buy the cheapest.....get the same usefullness.
The only thing Sony is good at is the Playstation. But the future is streaming.......at they can't even get that right. And with the hacking scandal....who would trust their network.
And don't even get me started on Sony Pictures. All they put out is RANCID crap. They even fucked up the Spider Man reboot. HOW CAN YOU FUCK UP SPIDER MAN !!! ????? I know......GIVE IT TO SONY !! Somebody at Marvel needs to get their balls kicked for that one.
With you on all of it except the bit about carrying smartphones. They ain't that smart. There's a reason why EU officials are going back to flips.
Tru' dat. I stand corrected.
Can usa go even lower?
Smoke out the Jews in US power or turn Israel into a glass parking lot. American's need to start thinking of plausible options.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S10Aotp_tvo&feature=youtu.be
Yes we can! Yes we can!
Another false flag
Who cares if the movie industry is hacked. Just moar drama.
"NK did it, because the FBI tells me so" -Goof-in-Chief
At that level you're not a fool. Merely complicit.
Wardrobe malfunction gives chopped-liver movie caviar publicity. Sony gets FEMA/Homeland Security contract to make 12 movies focusing on the unsung interrogation heroes of Iraq War, Afghanistan War, and next 10 wars.
Well if Murica still blames Nkorea, and Nkorea nukes DC as a result, and DC nukes NKorea back, its win/win for all...
Only if they do it during the State of the Union address.
Up arrow for Lootie!
Did anyone else notice that the Guardians of Peace share the GOP acronym with the Grand Old Party (Republicans) ? Does this mean that the "GOP" finally has shown some intelligence? Perhaps not but it is a nice thought that the GOP might finally have something about them that isn't as stupid as their Democrat opponents (or as they are both commonly called, the Republocrats).
Democrats and Republicans are the cause of our problems, not the solution.
That's why some of us prefer politicians who oppose the entrenched interests of both Ds and Rs. Politicians like that get pilloried. Ask Sarah Palin.
It's called irony.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the same country that still basically points its missiles in a direction doesn't have the capability to bring tech giant Sony to its knees. The government really thinks the people are stupid enough to believe this (most probably are)...
www.TopTheNews.com
They are that stupid. People don't seek the truth, ever. They seek psychological safety because most people are vapid, empty-souled, moral cowards.
Come on the FBI would not lie to America.
You can’t make this up folks. Another nail gun target. These are sick people imbedded within our US Government.
The Jewish Way
Criminals hurting corporate profits will not be tolerated, but criminals increasing corporate profits that's just peachy fine.
Looks like all these Lehman type banksters are still fine.
Next they'll probably tell us that you can buy a bundle of uncirculated 100 Trillion Dollar notes from Zimbabwe for only $27,000 U.S. dollars...
...oh, wait:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-BUNDLES-1000-ZIMBABWE-100-TRILLION-BANKNOTES-...
Right, because NK really doesn't mind the movie at all, and they are a totally rational regime.
Meanwhile, someone else wants the US to go to war with NK. Right.
About as intelligent an analysis as was done here about ebola (we're all going to die!), oil (there's none left, anywhere!), gold (there's none left, anywhere!), the gulf oil leak (we're all gonna die!), fukushima (we're all gonna die!) etc. etc, ad nauseum.
I really have to lower my belief in the level of intelligence of the average zh er. Again.
Yeah, you'd be well-advised to head over to strawman.org
Trust me, you'll be a star.
Cool, thanks, I just hope they pump gold, silver, oil, bitcoin and shorting the S&P over there too, because I've found the investment 'advice' here to be equally as good as the analysis of world events.
(Honestly, it's hard to believe how 5 core beliefs of folks here could ALL be so horribly wrong, amazing really. I would have though at least 1 might somehow be a lucky win? This must be a 27 sigma deviation or something?)
Seriously though, I understand why you all must be so angry, if you ever had any money to start with, you sure as hell must have taken a beating the last few years.
Member: 3 weeks and 2 days.
Permabug is Jim Cramer
I am going to stick my neck out and give you a +1 Permabug.
Although the analysis on world events is fairly good on here, I do agree with you Permabug that the investment strategies on here to hedge against these events has been horrendous at best.
Am pretty sure you like banks too.
Regarding the use of the R word, would you care to differentiate why our 'friends' in Saudi Arabia are not a 'regime'? When was the last time you heard that word used against the Saudis? What about Is-real? Do they have a 'regime' there, or is everything puppies and kittens as it is here at home?
"...ebola (we're all going to die!), oil (there's none left, anywhere!), gold (there's none left, anywhere!)"
I have never seen such bizarre assertions made on ZH by Tyler or any commenter. In fact, the articles and debates I've seen have all been extremely informative.
Edit: Ooohh I've just spotted ...you're another Mr 3 weeks and two days.
Enough said. Enjoy your trolling friend.
The first three are actually three of biggest disagreements on these boards...the last two, aren't ever debated anywhere as being bad and deadly (if anyone ever said "we're all going to die" post a link). Ugh. Have an argument with someone other than yourself some time.
Hey Perma..fuckhead
evidently you are still working your way "up" to "our lowered zh intellegence", as you remain mired in the radish IQ area. Oh i forgot, you probably cant read this because i couldn't post this in pictures
fucktool
Is this the most awsome (and cheapest) way to promote a movie ever?
*war
Blaming NK for this incident may be Washington's plan as part of another criminal conspiracy to unseat the guy with the funny haircut, so it can parachute in a puppet government. Just like the Ukraine with Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya before that and Syria as soon as possible.
Washington would then have a land border with Russia AND China.
Imagine that.
That would be sixty years in the making.
May be these are some a few reasons.:
> North Korea ready to discuss transit of Russian gas to South Korea — Lavrov -http://itar-tass.com/en/economy/760867
> Russian, South Korean leaders agree on gas, rail links - http://sputniknews.com/russia/20080929/117263769.html
> Russia writes off 90 percent of North Korea debt, eyes gas pipeline - http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/19/russia-northkorea-debt-idUKL6N0...
The US government is talking about sanctions against any company that make business with the 'evil' NK.
Perhaps this is all a publicity stunt gone wrong -- the PR guys will do *anything* to get people to watch a movie, even a crappy one (on dit) like "The Interview"
Of all the conspiracy theories I've seen.....yours just may be the most plausible. It would be like Sony to fuck even their marketing campaign up.
GOP should have posted it on the FBI's website
Let's see, whom should I believe. Anonymous hackers via a fringe blog, or the FBI and the power Elites? Let me think about who has told me the truth more reliably in my lifetime.
It's not even close. I'm a little surprised the Norks aren't taking credit for it. But I'm guessing they have absolutely no idea how to do this and wouldn't be able to use such knowledge were they to get it. Kind of like how they are mysteriously able to produce counterfeit US dollars without the technology or materials to do it. Sort of makes me wonder who is actually doing it, if we didn't know already.
Somebody at Sony Pictures hasn't been playing ball.
Your right every root virus was brought to us from Sony's installing/opening the root.. virus door.
In case you forgot.. most of the spam you get it a bonus from Sony
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
Oh that's right protect us from the guys that sells cigarette one at a time..
And swat the guys that may smoke something less deadly than the beer they will celebrate over after the raid.
Here is a quot over heard in a pizza parlor.."Did you see his old lady piss all over her self when we shot the dog?"
In there defense they are human also.
sony security is riddled with ex-DHS and ex-DOD... go figure
Brilliant observation. I'll stick with Corporate Security Hacking Breaches for $400, Alex. The answer is, "All top internal corporate security from DHS, Secret Service, CIA, FBI, DoD." What is, Target Corporation?
Heck, Target even built a crime lab that is supposedly the most sophisticated in the country, and they let the FBI and others use it.
And Target's handling of their breach was dodgy at best, with tons of excuses and information withheld supposedly to facilitate top-level spooks' investigations.
A cynical fella would start to wonder where indeed all these hacks are coming from and what the real purpose is. The Chinese seem pretty confident they know.
Of course it's a lie. Have you seen anything coming out of Obama admin that wasn't a lie? Fuck you Obama and frankly I don't care if they blow Sony up, their products have turned to shit anyways
Hey, the "Bureau of Frame-Ups, Bullying, and Intimidation" wouldn't do that. Would they?!
But if they did error, it is only because so many resources have been allocated to the Corzine investigation.
The banksters need to repay us.
"Do you know what we're railroading you with?"
So you geniuses are predicting that this all part of a false flag/conspiracy yada yada, and the US is going to use this as an excuse to invade NK.
Here's my prediction: The us will NEVER invade NK, nor support anyone else doing so, and they won't even sanction them beyond a tiny slap on the wrist or some face saving bullshit.
Let's see who's right 1 month, 6 months, 1 year or 50 years from now.
Anyone taking the other side of my prediction, please be so kind as to give me your single best investment idea so I can fade it, tomorrow. Thanks!
Worst case scenario, you turn yourself in. /LOL
How to File A Complaint:
Mail:
National Security Agency
ATTN: Office of the Inspector General Hotline
9800 Savage Rd.
Ft. George G. Meade, MD 20755
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Submit 'confession' On-line Now
/Sarc
"please be so kind as to give me your single best investment idea so I can fade it, tomorrow"
Go long near term at the money and slightly out of the money calls on the S&P...go on I dare ya to do the opposite!
Permabug: "Anyone taking the other side of my prediction, please be so kind as to give me your single best investment idea so I can fade it, tomorrow. Thanks!"
Well, now that you mentioned it, just about any stawks will do.
Glad I could head ya in the right direction comrade.
In the event of the Movie release IT WOULD PROVIDE THE PERFECT BACKDROP TO BLAME NK ON A FALSE FLAG TERRORIST ATTACK ON US SOIL
PermaBug: Member for 3 weeks 2 days
Maybe one of you diehard conspiracy theorists can explain just 1 little thing to me.
If the extremely rich and powerful are so amazingly smart they are able to control and manipulate EVERYTHING, all political events, every death of anyone important (and lots of celebs too!), the price of every commodity, etc etc.
How the hell do you think you're going to beat them?
or are you just here to whine?
Man, if I thought I could never get ahead and that every aspect of my life was controlled by TPTB I'd have sucked an exhaust pipe long ago.
You lost me at extremely rich and powerful. Counterfeiting money under the Federal Reserve ZIRP is a crime. Hierarchy daytime thieves are walking around pressing a keyboard.
Why do you ask us questions when you already told us what we think...you masterbate a lot, huh?...Mentatally...that's clear.
As a matter of fact I do. You can only work so many hours a day ya know.
My latest 10 minutes of pleasuring my brain leads me to think that the answer must be that believing that everything is a conspiracy is a very convenient excuse for a failed life.
Seems to be the only thing that makes any sense, if you are a rational person that is. Otherwise, no point discussing it, is there?
Most conspiracy's are simply a combination of greed and stupidity, not a conspiracy at all.
There are conspiracies that we are all aware of. People con spire to rob banks, lobby congress for laws that benefit them, hide crimes, fix prices, obtain power, favours, etc.
That's life. Been happening for thousands of years, will continue to happen.
then there are zh 'extrapolate to infinity' type conspiracy theories where every move, every event is all part of some master plan (by a master race?)
It's like no one ever heard of Occam's razor.
you apparently haven't seen iron sky
No, a failed life Permabug is trolling on the interwebs. Your mom is shouting down the hallway that your Easy Mac and Cheese is ready in the microwave.
You better put that playstation controller down and go get it before it gets cold.
Too many 30 somethings at mom's house nowadays.
Go have a "rational discussion" with your $9 an hour co-workers at Best Buy discussing the latest technology trends of Apple's latest iCrap.
Seriously, most "rational" people who think there are no conspiracies are dorks just like you. Life is easy breazy when mom takes care of everything while you surf the web and play role playing games online all night.
When you run a business, own land, or have any type of geniuine responsibility in life, then come back to me about no conspiracies or dirty tricks going on out there. Now go back to the Randi forums and go cry that someone who lives in the real world put you in your place.
As I already mentioned, of course there are (minor) conspiracies. Hell, politicians conspire to cover up their idiotic mistakes every day.
What's laughable is the tendency here to extrapolate the existence of conspiracies to mean that EVERYTHING is a conspiracy, all part of a master plan.
And this is all done by apparently very stupid people. Huh?
BTW, I have retired from working for a large bank, started and sold a small business, and now own 10 acres of land that I am turning from agricultural use to housing. Just for something to keep me busy and I enjoy it.
Why is everyone so angry and defensive? Must be having a bad year (or life). Maybe y'all should check your assumptions.
do you know your place in the NWO?
hey Perma fuckturd,Which conspiracy theory do you peddle,the Gubmint ones?
Powerful "YES" smart "NO"
fucking millions of helpless over..
that should get you to a higher level?
Ohh I am sorry owning everything you can, having power, and starting wars for profit is a good thing right???
LOL
So they are stupid, yet they rule the world and everything that happens is all part of some master plan.
You, on the other hand, are much more intelligent, an all 'round good person, yet you have no money, power or influence.
Riiiiight.
Permabug: So they are stupid, yet they rule the world and everything that happens is all part of some master plan.
You, on the other hand, are much more intelligent, an all 'round good person, yet you have no money, power or influence."
depends on control.
I have more control over my life and myself now making 19K a year than I did making 90+K. Pick your poison. I'll roll this way.
You go ahead and suck their ass and play their game.
:)
Permadouche is a good little sack swinger. Be sure and clean your chin asswipe
In most cases, it doesn't take brains as much as it takes luck and opportunity. Willingness to screw others plays a big part as well. Many people with insane amounts of wealth are sociopaths.
How many people made a killing in stocks the past 6 years?
Yet most fund managers are severely underperforming.
Unless you bought and held your nose for 6 years,oblivious to central planning, as opposed to hedging against bubble and taking profits as any prudent investor would, you didn't do so fantastic
PermaBug: Maybe one of you diehard conspiracy theorists can explain just 1 little thing to me.
If the extremely rich and powerful are so amazingly smart they are able to control and manipulate EVERYTHING, all political events, every death of anyone important (and lots of celebs too!), the price of every commodity, etc etc.
How the hell do you think you're going to beat them?
or are you just here to whine?
Man, if I thought I could never get ahead and that every aspect of my life was controlled by TPTB I'd have sucked an exhaust pipe long ago.
Everyone dies bitch. Some sooner than others. Maybe some of us like to stare death down. Others like to suck ass.
Whatever turns your crank.
Rather than stare down death (although I've been at the wrong end of a gun twice, didn't like it at all), I prefer to enjoy life.
I change my country of residence every few years, and through good tax planning manage to pay an absolute bare minimum of taxes. (A lot of foreign countries offer great opportunities this way, if you're not too afraid to leave your basement).
I also speak out against central planning every chance I get, and have been doing so for 40 years.
And I even speak out against moronic conspiracy theories, imagine that.
Sure it's a waste of time, but it's 6 am where I am, and the markets haven't opened, and my workmen haven't arrived yet. I enjoy a coffee and a bit of an intelligent discussion once in a while. Too bad the discussion is so puerile here.
As they scream bloody murder about Sony, just one company, Americans see no irony in the fact that the NSA has been attempting to hack every database in the world for decades.
But of course that's different, America is on a mission from God.
Bingo. I knew someone would pick up the fact. Bravo. My hidden agenda to drop NSA address.
Thought this was fun when my son showed me ...
Spell Illuminati backwards Then .com
www.itanimulli.com
yeah, never believed the FBI story, just felt too convenient, suspect there will be a more in depth investigation now by the FBI, followed by the quiet acceptance that they may have got it wrong and it will all be buried in silence.
Unfortunately this does not make Obama look good who will have to keep going with the North Korean angle even when he knows it has been discredited or look like an idiot, such is Politics.
When a trick works, no reason to go to a new trick. I remember an incident that happened here in the US about 13 years ago with airplanes and skyscrapers and shit. Before the buildings had even fallen over, it was revealed the whole caper was pulled off by one Osama bin Laden. But oddly, he said he had nothing to do with it, though he appreciated the style. And a day or two after the incident, a "hijacker"'s passport was found, fresh as a daisy, on the sidewalk near the ruins of the Word Trade Center. Everything else was under dust like a volcano had erupted in Connecticut, but there was the one dude's passport, just sitting there. That was one too far; after a day or two the story vanished and was never heard from again. Then about a year later, the BBC managed to track down most of the people named as the "hijackers," including Mohammed Atta, the "ringleader," an Egyptian physician. He was stiill alive, still practicing medicine in Egypt. And that story vanished very quickly.
These very-convenient stories are, well, very convenient. I'm surprised it wasn't Putin or Assad behind the Sony hack. Kim Jong-Un is a little obvious, and unlikely. Too obvious. As far as convenience, not sure in aid of what. Does anybody care about the Norks?
ZIRP may not be a crime, but it sure beat the hell out of my generally conservative investments, not to mention those of my elderly parents. It's clearly immoral.
Seems to me it's a result of idiotic economic theories combined with the rich and powerful lobbying like hell to get bailed out. Again, as immoral as hell.
I just don't see the big conspiracy?
Of course rich people are going to use their influence to sway things their way. They work hard at it, it's part of the reason they are rich.
Just like it's obvious every trader in the world is going to try to manipulate prices of things they trade. What the hell else would they do? Try to force down the price of things they own? WTF?
I used to try to manipulate the market I traded every minute of every day. Sometimes I succeeded, even for a few hours, sometimes not. Other traders were trying to manipulate prices the other way.
In the long run, all of us bowed down to Mr market, and if you think otherwise you deserve to lose your money.
Permabug" ZIRP may not be a crime, but it sure beat the hell out of my generally conservative investments, not to mention those of my elderly parents. It's clearly immoral.
Nonsense, it's "Gods work"
hahahahahaha
Sounds like some senior FBI "cybersecurity" types need to do what the Sony "chief security officer" did. Then hire some apolitical people with actual skills. I know that will be hard for an organization that has become 100% political. If we accept that then its best to eliminate the funding for it - as we should the CDC, SEC, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.
These are the games and monkey business you have to think your way through if you bother to waste your time
The FBI is releasing both sides of the story
If the world only knew how much time, money and resources is spent on the endless bullshit that goes on around us their heads would explode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjnZO5ZgWE8
This is all done instead of eliminating all the manipulation, monitoring and control and improving everyone's lives and the health of the planet. As Barack H Obama says -> Thank you satan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS53I-k_T4o
You mean the FBI (and by extension U.S government) lied? Say it isn't so. They have NEVER done that.
The oddest thing aboutbthis whole story is, wtf would NK bother hacking Sony?
They looking for schematics on the Walkman?
The FBI lies?
No shit.
It's job security. How's dat Wall Street investigations goin' der EffffBeeeeeAyyye?
LOL
More useless shitbags.
If it was the NORK's, they wouldn't have wasted their time on some idiotic Hollywierd cartoon maker.
They would have gone after our antiquated infrastructure. {water,elecricity,banking, healthcare...}
ganga macaka.
Any Non-sheeple with an IQ more than room temperature knew right away NK didn't hack Sony. That leaves CIA as the lone culprit. Which, 100% of the time it is...
Seems we have a number of sheeple with room temperature IQ's judging by the down arrows.
At any given moment N Korea could suffer a "national emergency". I predict massive eletrical power loss during a cold snap. Or we cut off their luxury goods, ha-ha!
Does Obama ever feel shame over how whiny and hysterical he has become?
Is the rest of the world embarassed for Mr. Nobel? Larry Summers was correct. The White House is in sorry need of adult supervision
Does our President squat when he takes a piss?
We hissy fitted some folks
WAG the DOG...
PROXY WAR vs. RUS via UKR, PROXY-SERVER WAR vs. DPK
Both can escalate due to the NeoCons...
Does not matter who did the hack or who can be convicted in a court for the hack, USA should just nuke the North Korean vermin and clean up the problem permanently.
http://youtu.be/mlejsgxOxrU
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/cyberattack.jpg
Sabu ? So the fbi said the fbi was wrong?
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/27/hacker-sabu-walks-free...
Its official ZH is now run through sister site, infowars.com.
This is SONY, right? The company that hacked their OWN CUSTOMERS?
Here's what I think happened: The SONY execs saw the film, and decided it blows. "How are we gonna make anything on this turkey?" they moaned. Then, someone got a brilliant idea - "We'll give the North Koreans $10 million and a gold-plated PlayStation for Kim. Then we'll get them to hack us. (after we give them the necessary passwords and access). We scream about it, the publicity is worth billions, and when we release this PoS, the box office will be mega-boffo!".
Easy fix. Ask for a formal word from North Korea supporting the release of the movie on Xmas in all countries.
For a movie that basically redefines the word "suck", this thing needs to go straight to DVD. Then it will hit the pirate sites within 12 hours after that.
Standard Disclaimer: From the e-mails, the first x (x being greater than 15 but less than 30) number of minutes of the film is an interview with eminen? Seriously?