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The Doom Boom: US Families Increasingly Prepared For "Modern Day Apocalypse"
From the outside America may seem to be a land of endless optimism and confidence. But, as Sky News reports, an increasing number of Americans seem to think it is danger of falling apart, and they're preparing for the end. "We're not talking about folks walking around wearing tin foil on their heads,; we're not talking about conspiracy theorists. I'm talking about professionals: doctors and lawyers and law enforcement and military. Normal, everyday people. They can't necessarily put their finger on it. But there's something about the uncertainty of our times. They know something isn't quite right."
A now-privately-held ex-nuclear-missile base in Kansas has been turned into luxury "post-apocalyptic refuge for the very rich"
"It's an undergorund complex straight out of a bond flick"
They call themselves preppers. Mainstream suburban Americans hoarding supplies and weapons while leading otherwise perfectly normal lives.
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[they are] afraid of some impending catastrophe but also what that will do to American society.
"I think that is what I'm scared of the most," he told Sky News, "Not the actual events. I've already prepared for that. It's the aftermath, when there are no police, there are no military to protect us, we're going to be protecting ourselves."
The trigger could be a terrorist attack, a monetary collapse, cataclysmic failure in power generation, or a natural disaster. Preppers fear what comes next and have no faith in either their government or human nature.
"Once people use up all their resources, they're going to come after the people that prepared and had more resources. So basically we have to take care of ourselves."
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"We're not talking about folks walking around wearing tin foil on their heads," Jay tells Sky News. "We're not talking about conspiracy theorists.
"I'm talking about professionals: doctors and lawyers and law enforcement and military. Normal, everyday people. They can't necessarily put their finger on it. But there's something about the uncertainty of our times. They know something isn't quite right."
Jay is a celebrity in the strange but increasingly mainstream world of preppers, writing prepper books and touring America, speaking at prepper expos where a bewildering range of survival supplies and techniques are on offer.
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But it's also arguably a sign of a country coping with economic decline. The end of the American Dream has left people more uncertain about their future, and their country's.
Katy Bryson is in Jay's prepper network. Prepping, she says, puts Americans back in charge of their destiny.
"They're not in control of whether they lose their job or not but they are in control of whether they are prepared. So I feel like that's why the industry is just booming right now for preparedness," Katy added.
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It used to be called personal responsibility.
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
RIPS
"This is Sky news ...over and out"
Personal Responsibility??? You mean I can't have children out of wedlock and expect a welfare check? That's unamerican.
I've done my part...
Been being responsible for 32 years today.
Happy Recovery to everyone who understands what its like to wake up in the morning wishing you had done so a few minutes earlier so you could have caught the cat that relieved itself in your mouth.
DaddyO
Having some guns/ammo, supplies, food, training, etc is not a bad deal anyway you look at it.
However if people think they are going to survive over an extended period of time without a functioning community/society, it isn't going to work out very well.
Said differently, one can't properly prepare for a life of not having what one has always had.
And here is the theme song if you haven't heard it before. :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uASQgLwaIs
Regards,
Cooter
Increasingly? From what?
US families aren't prepared for shit.
No fallout shelters.
Too fat.
Too slow.
Can't shoot.
If your family can all 1) leave the home/office in 90 seconds 2) get underground in less than 15 minutes; 3) run 30 minutes at better than 10 minutes/mile while carrying your gear; 4) hit a man-sized target at 200 yards with one shot using your optic and fewer than five shots with your iron sights; and 5) put two shots in a 3" circle with your sidearm at 7 yards in less than two seconds (better than 4 of 5 tries), then maybe...maybe...you and yours have a chance if things go "Modern Day Apocalypse".
Otherwise eat, drink, watch sports on TV, save your money, and don't worry about it...you probably won't feel a thing.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-19-10/fear-we-are-returning-ti...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-11/tiger-valley-bug-out-drill
A-FREAKIN-MEN......US FAMILIES are the least prepared humans on the planet for any kind of tragedy. (and I'm including Mr. Pseudo Stacker who prays for hyperinflation because he's got 2 oz of gold in his sock drawer)
I visited a friends father in the outskirts of Guadalajara Mexico over the Thanksgiving Holiday. I found it comical, that all the "survival prep" guides for us idiot Americans which contain a list of a few hundred "must haves" (which very very few Americans actually have).....just happened to be exactly what this poor Mexican farmer dude had in his "shed".
Rince/Repeat this all over the world. all of the third world and most of the "second" world live prepared for hardship because they train every single day in real life. Americans will be completely clueless in an SHTF situation......even these total morons who spend a fortune on a condo bunker in Kansas. What a bunch of idiots. Congratulations to the marketing crew on that one.
Maybe you just hate merikans cause you´re a jealous douchebag. I´m vacationing in Europe right now and trust me, they´re all clueless, people in the US, not including the FSA, are much more prepared than they are here in western Europe.
"The event" already happened. Your average "well off" person makes six hundred thousand dollars per year.
That means YOU are now officially poor.
crazy:
I have 4 weeks worth of food and water in house, otehr essentials for 4 weeks--if our probem stretches longer than 4 weeks its over for me anyway.
i do not envision living in a mad max scenario.
Mad Max scenario could be real fun. Imagine running down the list of people you'd look up for payback. The asshole .gov tax assessor who treated your private property like his personal ATM kiosk. The troopah who wrote you that summons for walking thru Central Park after 1 AM. That fucking midget former mayor who tried to grab your guns while locking up the sugary beverages and baby formula, the mule down at the Social Security office. Dude, I'd have some scalps on my wall. And arms. And tongues. And skins. Lots of skins. I'd probably go into the book binding business. . .
HH, you are right! While some are prepared, the majority are not. We lost power here a couple years ago for about 3 or 4 days. People were freaking out! They couldn't even make a cup of coffee! What do you think will happen when those people are starving? They will go after those who are prepared.
You should expand your scope to some of the real causes, not your petty grievances. Go at the real causes. If you plan on retribution, plan to go after them. The banksters. Find the island they hid out at and be a burr in their ass. Where it counts.
Americans are just disillusioned. That's why the sense of doom. More about the present state than how the future might be
I think you almost got it right. Disillusioned, because they have been told since birth that Americans are special, equal, and anybody can get rich. Now they see that for the bullshit that it always was.
When you see all your hopes and dreams turn to shit, and you realize your only chance at the brass ring is winning the lotto, you get depressed and start fantasizing about doom and mad max. That's just even more bullshit.
The next step hopefully is growing into an adult. You can still work hard and have a good life, but if you are lazy you will be in the bottom half. Get a skill that's IN DEMAND and a decent job or small business is yours.
Well I'm vacationing in the US right now... and I think you're wrong.
Europe is as heterogeneous as the US, and both continents are utterly unprepared, except at the margins.
Even you lived in a nuclear missile silo, unless you have an armed and trained COMMUNITY to defend it - all that steel and concrete buys you at most a couple hours from someone with rather basic knowledge from gaining entry if they choose to, and one doesn't need exotic tools or high explosives to gain entry.
Every country in Europe is different, but for 50 years they were on the front line of the Cold War, so there is actually more concrete and steel in Europe than meets the casual observer's eye. Then there are the outlier countries like Albania or Switzerland that went ape-shit on "prepping" infrastructure. But without mass education of the community (conscription), self-sufficiency in agriculture (trade protectionism), and continuous investment in updated stockpiles (non-utilized assets) - what a nation has is an expensive "baby blanky" to make them feel protected without actually doing so.
In the US, I (privately) have an actual bunker and fallout shelter, and extensive "modifications" and "supplies" but a relatively small (and outnumbered community), whereas in Switzerland (along with 8 million neighbors -- more than 1% of the entire European population) I have comparatively nothing individually (privately) but substantially more on a communal level...
If TSHTF I would stand a better chance in Switzerland, despite all the highly specialized training and "stuff" that gives me a comparative advantage over potential adversaries in the US .
Well said.
WAY, too many smug, ignorant, reflexively anti-Americans on this site.
They form their opinions on the United States based on the nauseating detritus output of the Idiot LeftMedia and disgusting popular culture.
As, fucking if.
That said, I love my enemies vastly stupid, spittle flecked with envy, and utterly deluded.
All I know is that when people become painfully hungry, thirsty, or both, especially around big urban areas that all sorts of ugly unpredictable things invariably happen.
While a city bunker will probably delay the unwashed hoardes nothing really tells the hoardes that something is really worth breaking into than concrete, steel doors, and said uber-bunker being located in Beverly Hills, or for that matter Mayberry, U. S.A., et al.
If you're gonna really bunker down bunker down in the middle of nowhere where prying eyes usually aren't. Oh and a chopper or pontoon aircraft helps a tidge too for daily transportation.
Just call me Bear Ching-aso.
Everybody's forgetting shopping. Y'all gonna bunker down anywhere with the women, yer gonna need simulated Malls of America or your balls will be broken so fast you'll wish you were a casualty.
Take back your balls from the Mall Trollers. Let them find another sucker.
I'm figurin' she'll refuse to go when we bug out. Either that or I'll forget to pack her.
She refuses to prepare, can't comprehend a world without malls.
We married the same woman, it seems. So I ask her, What are ya gonna do when the gangs come a gang-bangin' and and they think that you look ever so fetching and then they...oh, never mind.
By age 35 most of them are bloated and wrinkled to go with the bitch personality that is no longer "cute". If they don't want to bug out, you breathe a sigh of relief and look for a newer model.
I love ya Knucks, but we ain't all like that.
I am going to ask a serious question.
I see men say things like you say and I wonder, would you actually like to be married to a woman who thinks more like you do?
My husband is more of a spender than I am. But it isn't too stupid, it is electonics and gadgets. I have channelled him by being manipulative. I keep him aware of my interests and all of a sudden he is covering some of the survival stuff. He is finding ammo because I let him know I am "concerned" about our physical safety. We both have training and permits (though he is ex-service) because of my "concerns." I might "wish" for example that we had night vision and it shows up. He seems really happy to do it, but I KNOW he would not do it if I did not channel his buying tendencies in this way. He knows I do this and he loves me so he lets me get away with it, but the stuff I put his way I know is "fun" to him any way.
Full circle back to my question and the why of it. I am the worrier and planner in the couple. He grins and loves me and buys guns and ammo. But he would not care about it if I did not. We would be much further ahead on the preps if he was more like me. I don't want to go "overboard" or be too overbearing with it and him, hell I might be wrong. I just take care of the shit that I know bores him (food and water for instance, clothing, gardening).
But I wonder if a male and female with this head set would just be too intense? Opposites attract. I am high strung and my husband is the coolest customer I have ever met, bad assed level headed in a crisis. I prep because I know I might freak out a little when it is "on." It will take me a minute to find my legs. My husband is so laid back he does not worry about tomorrow, at all. We balance.
Back to the start, those of you married to these women who you claim just "shop" I wonder if they give you something in balance that you need, and if you could manipulate your shopper into shopping for the project. Mine loves buying gear.
Hope that made sense.
It did.
My relationship is kinda the opposite. I'm the planner, gotta have a plan, a backup plan and even another just in case both of those become unviable. Mrs.N is more spontaneous, the spur of the moment type, sometimes I think to the point of being frivolous, until I realize life is meant to be lived and enjoyed, not sitting around waiting for the emergency generator to kick on and saying ahhha!...toldja so!...just to see her roll her eyes at me...lol.
Its a good balance ;-)
A woman who channels her husband to buy guns, ammo and night vision. Gotta sister who's single?
dude you fvkin kill me.. that was hillarious because it is soooo true. What kind of society do we live in when buying cheap chinese shit becomes a sport?
Good to know where we can find all the bankers together.
If you stay ready
You aint got to get ready
Too Right!!!
Self-Reliant Living will keep you out of the Wally Worlds when the flag goes up.
Downtown Ferguson anyone?
Any Questions, plebes? Didn't think so...
DaddyO
that alone will up your survival probs exponentially, at least for the first week or so.
+1 SugaFree
"I'm talking about professionals: doctors and lawyers and law enforcement and military. Normal, everyday people. They can't necessarily put their finger on it. But there's something about the uncertainty of our times. They know something isn't quite right."
Whats not quite right is too many lawyers and bankers in general. How can these people still be clueless? The writings been on the wall for a long time.
I always wanted to be in the .1% group, and now I find out its the wrong one!
Actually, HH, your writings/comments here were what got me going on my preperations. Relearned gardening, training my daughters and wife self defense, putting useful items into storage, etc. Just a small biz owner, so haven't been able to afford to work my way completely through your lists. But your points rang true, so I'm efforting.
Even printed some of your submissions and handed them to a few close friends. Those that get it will, those that don't...
Those that don't...?
Hapless victims!
DaddyO
Peace be with you.
If they're not prepared, then there's a certain poetic justice in it, insofar we are experiencing the 6th Great (species) Extinction in Earth's history -- and WE are the cause.
8 Billion is about 6 billions too many useless eaters and parasites anyway. Having 2 billion is just fine. And highly desirable. Not that you can tell where on the food-chain I consider myself and my loved ones to be.
Newsflash: You're on the fucking bottom, no matter where you "think" you should be. Turns out some far more cunning and bloodthirsty folks came up with the eugenics and overpopulation memes a few hundred years ago and have spent a good deal of time conditioning you to feel the same way. Does the name Thomas Malthus ring a bell?
Calm down rainbow
Abbreviated Version: People with no real skills, friends, or assets are realizing how fucked they are and trying to buy their continued existence in the form of freeze-dried tin cans full of corn slop and concrete reinforced holes in the ground.
At least they saved some folks the trouble of digging a grave.
You see, that's where most people make the big mistake. I really don't want to be critical, because maybe a few people can actually find a few good friends that will STAY that way and collaborate when the SHTF.
I visited a lot of places before I chose my location to set up my self-sufficient digs. What became very obvious to me was this. The people who were the happiest, and most definitely the calmest, were the people in the extreme boonies who were self-sufficient.
I met a great many people who could literally live the rest of their lives without much added inconvenience if every human being on earth vanished or died. Hell, some of them would barely even notice that mankind had vanished.
True, most of them would trade from time to time with other self-sufficient folks, but they didn't NEED to trade to survive and be adequately comfortable (by the standards they were used to).
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I do understand where this popular idea you have comes from. Namely, the ASSUMPTION that you're living where the population density is NOT very low. Perhaps for those locations the value of a "functioning community" has some extra value... from the standpoint of collaborative self-defense. That makes some sense.
But I still don't see why people cannot be self-sufficient, and why that isn't wise.
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So frankly, maybe there needs to be two different approaches, one for "boonies" and another for everywhere the population density is more than one family per ?100? square kilometers.
The reason I only discuss the super-low population density approach is... I am very much NOT convinced the chances of survival in higher population density scenarios is likely. To be sure, having lots of guns, ammo and a community network will help.
But the number of "incidents" of roving organized packs of human predators will just be too high in my opinion. You may be able to defend yourself against the first 2, 5, 20 attacks, but eventually they'll get you. At least, that's my worry.
But for your sake, I hope I'm too pessimistic about your "social approach". I don't believe in "social", so I'll stick to my "far, far, far outta sight, and thus totally outta mind" approach.
DaddyHo we hate responsible people. We want to sit and game and trade and blow shit up everyone tunnel. What you do? What you do now p0ppy?
the guy with the silo thinks "there will be no police" oh right. Sure. plenty of police, just a lot less people. It is not all going to collapse silly, think the planet mangers want that? Just be ready to take a bus or plane or car to your identified good city.
even so called environmental police are like an army. so many small armies are part of the govt. If you want to live longer, drink local brewed alcohol.
You may have changed your name, but you're still a dipsh*t...
DaddyO
Happy Birthday DaddyO.
Keep Trudging the Happy Road of Destiny.
Thanks Knucks, I new there were some salts still around who know about trudging a happy road of destiny.
ODAT
DaddyO
And all of the Klingon Cocksucking Trolls fron Uranus will still be down in mommie's basement living off 25 years worth of stored Twinkies wrapped around their middles when they cook off due to lack of keyboard.
Be Alert ! America needs more Lerts.
"nd all of the Klingon Cocksucking Trolls fron Uranus will still be down in mommie's basement living off 25 years worth of stored Twinkies wrapped around their middles when they cook off due to lack of keyboard."
Wow, that is GOOD dude, very good!
Somebody knows my buddy Bill.
Merry Christmas to your tits.
Another abject Idiot who defines "America" by the mores and behavior of the disgusting FSA.
You need to associate with a better, more representative class of Americans.
prepare for 2012
I know, it's only 2 years away . . .
Oh, the other way.
Sorry, my bad.
just repost... figure to just lay this down someplace where people don't get mad:
Maybe some statistics are needed:
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- Labor Force Participation Rate in Japan 59.7% in 2014
- Labor Force Participation Rate in Germany 53% in 2013
- Labor Force Participation Rate in USA 62.8% in 2014
- Labor Force Participation Rate in UK 46.4% in 2013
- Labor Force Participation Rate in France 41.1% in 2013
Labor Force Participation Rate in China 56.6% in in 2013
most of those numbers used 2013 population with 2014 employed...
Hard to compare wages. CIA Fact book is probably better than OECD Numbers.
But we know US Wages, median wages, weekly, indexed to 1984 Dollars are the same today as in 1979 in the USA.
And
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/ROWFDNQ027S ($3.29 Foreign Investment USA)
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/GPDI ($2.89 Private Domestic Investment)
http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/international/intinv/iip_glance.htm
http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/international/intinv/iip_glance.htm ($28 Trillion foreign Ownership of US Property compared to $24 Trillion in US Ownership of Foreign Property) (This is very interesting as Big Banks are growing strongly, but the number of total us banks is dramatically decreasing, like someone is gaming the system, Commercial Banks in the U.S. - FRED - St. Louis Fed)
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/USNUM
Foreign Investors are stronger than our Domestic or Wall Street Banks. We Decalitalize Industry, and our Banks don't Invest in the USA, not in a depression, a recession, and not when we return to normal markets.
Commercial Banks in the U.S.
2014:Q3: 5,636 Number Quarterly, End of Period, Not Seasonally Adjusted, USNUM, Updated: 2014-11-14
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Weekly and hourly earnings data from the Current Population Survey
Series Id: LEU0252881600
Series title: (unadj)- Constant (1982-84) dollar adjusted to CPI-U- Median usual weekly earnings, Employed full time, Wage and salary workers
Year Qtr1 Qtr2 Qtr3 Qtr4 Annual
1979 339 334 325 328 332
1980 324 314 315 317 318
1981 317 311 304 314 312
2012 337 335 329 336 335
2013 334 333 330 337 333
2014 339 328 332
Constant Dollars, Weekly Earning same in 1979 as 2014.
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Series Id: LEU0252882800
Not Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (unadj)- Constant (1982-84) dollar adjusted to CPI-U- Median usual weekly earnings, Employed full time, Wage and salary workers, Women
Year Qtr1 Qtr2 Qtr3 Qtr4 Annual
1979 256 249 248 249 251
1980 248 242 241 242 244
2013 304 303 299 306 303
2014 307 301 300
All Industries, All Occupations, Women, 16 years and older.
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Well, Looks like Status Quo Politics. Both the Ds & the Rs... like the way things are going. They never talk about Sweeping Reforms. They protect their own money and sources of political funds.
Congress never looks at the Big Issues. Just look what they did in 2008 after the Financial Crash. Collectively they decided there was no Moral Hazard and that the People that got us into trouble paid big donations to keep the party going just like it was designed.
Looks like 2005 is when the Budget went totally out of Control.
We, The people, are making this thing run. Monthly Treasury Report, 30 September 2014.
2014 Federal Outlays = 3,504,199
2013 Federal Outlays = 3,535,881
2012 Federal Outlays = 3,538,286
2011 Federal Outlays = 3,630,146
2010 Federal Outlays = 3,455,931
2009 Federal Outlays = 3,653,290
2008 Federal Outlays = 2,978,440
2007 Federal Outlays = 2,778,632
2006 Federal Outlays = 2,654,873
2005 Federal Outlays = 2,472,310
2004 Federal Outlays = 2,292,628
2003 Federal Outlays = 2,211,712
2002 Federal Outlays = 2,011,016
2001 Federal Outlays = 1,854,945
2000 Federal Outlays = 1,788,143
So, figure - $1 T for Military (and Black Budget), $1 T for MEDICARE/MEDICAID, $1 T for Social Security.
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People can take on the power to control Government if they see a deeper truth.
Paid up to end of Fiscal year, 30 September 2014
2014 Individual Income Tax Revenue: $1.394 Trillion
2014 Corporate Income Tax Revenue: $320 Billion
IRS, Total Outlays—Internal Revenue Service, under Treasury, 2013 = $103.3 Billion (Boom)
IRS, Total Outlays—Internal Revenue Service, under Treasury, 2000 = $38 Billion
IRS, Total Outlays—Internal Revenue Service, under Treasury, 1998 = $33.2 Billion (??? What? For what??)
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IRS, Payment where earned income credit exceeds liability for tax Outlays 2013 = $57.5 Billion (?What?)
IRS, Payment where earned income credit exceeds liability for tax Outlays 2000 = $26 Billion
IRS, Payment where earned income credit exceeds liability for tax Outlays 1998 = $23.2 Billion
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IRS, Payment Where Child Tax Credit Exceeds Liability for Tax Outlays 2013 = $21.6 Billion (?What?)
IRS, Payment Where Child Tax Credit Exceeds Liability for Tax Outlays 2000 = $806 Million (Million)
IRS, Payment Where Child Tax Credit Exceeds Liability for Tax Outlays 1998 = Zero.....
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Economy Slow enough for you, President Obama, John McCain, John Boner, Nancy Pelosi, Janet Yellen, Stanley Fischer...
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M1V (M1 seems to increase with Mortgages)
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M2V (M2 seems to show different bubble perhaps)
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/MZMV (MZM seems to show peak in Economy 1981)
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/A14187USA163NNBR
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/MULT
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Deregulation leads to misery? Many industries in the United States became regulated by the federal government in the late 19th and early 20th century. Entry to some markets was restricted to stimulate and protect the initial investment of private companies into infrastructure to provide public services, such as water, electric and communications utilities.
Transportation, Energy, Communication, Finance, Free Trade, Campaign Finance
1978 - Bankruptcy Reform Act of 1978,
1980 - Depository Institutions (J. Carter, followed by S&L Crisis, 5000 convictions, RTC)
1981 - Executive Order 12287, (R. Reagan, removed price controls on Petrol)
1992 - Energy Policy Act (H.W. Bush)
1994 - NAFTA, Deregulation of Trade, 3 Nations (W. Clinton)
1996 - Energy (W. Clinton, followed by ENRON Scandal)
1996 - Telecommunications Act (W. Clinton, cross ownership)
1999 - Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (Phil Gramm, W. Clinton, followed by 2008 Financial Crisis)
1999 - bombing campaign in Kosovo (W. Clinton, over 60 days)
2000 - Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 (P. Gramm, W. Clinton, derivatives)
2002 - McCain–Feingold Act (G.W. Bush, Campaign Finance, soft money unlimited)
2005 - Energy Policy Act (G.W. Bush, subsidies, excluded clean air Water acts)
2005 - Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 (BAPCPA).
2009 - 2014 Continuing Resolutions in which Congress gives up Budget Powers
2010 - Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (money is free speech for corps)
2011 - US combat in Libya (B Obama, over 60 days)
- (Laissez-faire economic policies)
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Check out the Multiplier for M1... I may be wrong but 30 years ago the Multiplier for Manufacturing was cited as proof of where the engine of the Economy was.
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/MULT
Nobody talks about it anymore. But what with all that has been deregulated to facilitate "gaming the System" by Elites... MULT just proves how the Elites have Hobbled the Economy for the poor so we have to work for one of the big corporate powers and have to kiss ass for jobs.
Eunuchs, I say. They want to cut off our balls.
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Because we know there are fewer good jobs with good compensation, Open Borders drives down Wages, Open Borders creates a huge Black Market Labor Force, we know Capital is moving off shore and we have Decapitalized US Industries, we know that Free Trade isn't Free, isn't auditable, uses Slave Labor, and is part of what is ripping apart US Labor and making US into Debt Slaves.
- Capital Flight
- Brain Drain from US Industries
- Decapitalization
- Open Borders
- Off Shoring Corporate HQ, Off Shoring Production, Outsourcing, Free Trade Agreements that supersede US Laws
- CAFTA-DR, NAFTA
The Model is from Great Britain, Trade Model, this was used by Lords & Kings to get Rich from Cheap Overseas Goods from all around the Globe through Sea Trade Routes. So it is a Model of the Elites... and probably lead to lots of Crime in London where people were very poor.
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How do you or we get Justices that feel outrage about 9-11 to take the venue or lawsuit in their court?
- Presumably there are some Justices that feel outrage at 9-11
- Presumably there are justices that want justice and face voters to keep their jobs
18 U.S. Code Chapter 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES
§?2381. Treason
§?2382. Misprision of treason
§?2383. Rebellion or insurrection
§?2384. Seditious conspiracy
§?2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
§?2386. Registration of certain organizations
- 1900s when US started Depending on Outsourced Produce
- 1960, when US started Outsourcing Auto Factories
- 1968, when Costs of Vietnam War became Obvious Problem
- 1971, Nixon Shock, US Refuses to convert USD to Gold for Foreign Holders of USD
- 1972, BCCI Bank created
- 1974, CIA Slapped with Investigations of Practices, they decide to Outsource & Subcontract
- 1978, Soviet-Afghanistan War Starts
- 1979, the Top of US Manufacturing
- 1979, when US Median Wages got Stuck or leveled out
- 1980, Presidential Campaign, Debt, Economy, Inflation, Iran
- 1981, the Top of US Money Velocity
- 1982, Ronald Reagan Maxes out DoD Budget
- 1982, CIA Begins using BCCI Bank
- 1986, DoD Contractors Soar with profits & plans
- 1990, Start of US Gulf War with Iraq, US & UK will Bomb Iraq for the next 13 years till US-Iraq War II
- 1994, NAFTA Treaty,
- 1995, Sub-prime mortgages started
- 1995, Community Reinvestment Act, the Clinton Admin urged flexibility,
- 1995, HUD advocated greater involvement of state and local organizations
- 1996, Start of a Period of Accounting Fraud in USA which continues today
- 1997, M2 Money Velocity Top
- 1998, Brooksly Born Rejected on her concerns on OTC Derivatives
- 1998, Derivatives expanded and were not regulated
- 1998, Clinton's Kosovo War
- 1998, Citicorp & Travelers Insurance Merger
- 1999, Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (GLBA), End of Glass Steagal Act
- 2001, US-Afghan War
- 2003, US-Iraq War
- 2005, CAFTA-DR Related Progression
- 2005, US Mortgage Top of Bubble
- 2008, US-Global Financial Crisis
- 2012, Existing Home Sales finally return to USA
- 2013, IRS Budget exceeds $100 Billion since it now pays out cash to households as Credits
- 2013, Corporate Income Taxes Receipts still fail to return to 2006, 2007, or 2008 pre-crash Level of over $300 Billion
The MANY FACES of RICO Violations???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm6cMdePtMA
Rod Sterling TZ
*To the tune of "Dr. Pepper" jingle*
"I'm a prepper, he's a prepper, don't ya wanna be a prepper too? Be a prepper, drink Dr. Prepper..."
Be original and join the crowd.
Excellent video reference. Rod Serling was a prescient son-of-a-... and he knew the right way to 'entertain' as well.
Moral of tonight's story: Men always revert to their animal nature when their backs are to the wall.
The bad part of this teleplay is that it was produced in a far more innocent time, when the United States government actually cared enough to warn its' people via the 'conalrad stations'. Now of course, the odds are even that the USGOV would be the ones attacking its' own. SAME with governments around the world, by the way. Even if they didn't, a thermonuclear conflaguration could start in the space of NINETY SECONDS from the first launches of the MIRV's from the submarines (ours and theirs and everyone else's).
A 'basement bomb shelter'... HA HA HA HA HAH!
'HE may inherit rubble, but he's only 12 years old. Twelve years old, Grace.' (Therefore, we will make sure that he survives and lives his life in a post-apocolyptic world where radiation eats his body while he starves and shoots people and there's no T.V. and no radio and no point in living...)
The Doctor built a shelter. Isn't he SILLY?
"Dr" Know... +
"He is talking about professionals: doctors and lawyers and law enforcement and military"
these are serious people - so its not about "personal responsiblity" its about very few people believe anything anymore - complete cynicism - we live in a Fake system not just reported metrics like Unemployment, growth or confidence opinions - very few believe in the law or regulations or statements by the press or especially Obama.
we are at the end of the line
FEMA camps and special cells await:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klqv9t1zVww
Easy for looters, rapists, robbers and murderers: you got all them rich fuckers neatly packed in one place. Locking yourself up in a fortified and converted missile silo is about the dumbest idea ever and completely violates law 18 from the 48 Laws of Power: http://48laws-of-power.blogspot.de/2011/05/law-18-do-not-build-fortresse...
You should be aware of everything happening on the street, and of anyone who might be hatching plots against you. Do not feel threatened; this is a dangerous way to start becoming paranoid.Do not retreat and close ranks, to find security in a kind of fortress. Fight the desire to turn inward.Do not rely on information from a small circle, and lose perspective on events around you. Do not lose maneuverability and become an easy target. As in warfare and most games of strategy, isolation often precedes defeat and death. Make yourself more accessible.Seek out old allies and make new ones, force yourself into more and more different circles. If you need time to think, then, choose isolation only as a last resort, and only in small doses. Be careful to keep your way back into society open.
You need to be permeable, able to float in and out of different circles and mix with different types. That kind of mobility and social contact will protect you from plotters, who will be unable to keep secrets from you, and from your enemies, who will be unable to isolate you from your allies. Always on the move, you mix and mingle in the rooms of the palace, never sitting or settling in one place. No hunter can fix his aim on such a swift-moving creature.
- See more at: http://48laws-of-power.blogspot.de/2011/05/law-18-do-not-build-fortresse...
Hopefully the Russians have gotten wind that those are ex missile sites, otherwise rich preppers ass going to get real hot !!!
Just another X on an old missle site. Plenty of missles. They'll blow it up just in case?
We bombshelterd some folks
No kidding! You'd think if you were worried about TEOTWAWKI you'd want to put some distance between you and any previously targeted site. Unless of course it's only the zombies you're worried about.
We could make a fake ICBM and stick it in the ground, nose down, close by with a strong ticking sound coming out of it, and when the fuckers hightail it out of there, take the site over !!!
That is the funniest thing I read today :)
Only problem is, once you take it over, what is to prevent the neighbor from sticking his garden hose in the ventilator and turning on the tap. It may flood everyone out after awhile :)
Extra points for pumping in Ebola washings.
The best laid plans of mice and men !!!
"the living will envy the dead"
Hey, I did'nt say it. It was a long time ago some long haired hippy in sandles was out in the desert spreadin the word. No, not Mohammud, the other long haired hippy in the desert spreadin the word.
Best I can tell they both said about the same thing,just one was a little more hardcore
An the really strange thing, they both want you to play pilgrim to the same town. One wants you to kiss a wall and the other want you to kiss a rock.
Then, yet another Long haired hippy in sandles had to fuck it up and wanted you to rub a little smilin fat man statue's belly for good luck.
They most likely have. A lot of the old doomsday scenarios don't hold water anymore. Both Russian and US nukes are now generally 250KT and both have CEPs measured in tens of meters. Due to the smaller size and tight CEP, every single one of these is going to be very specifically targetted, and they're not going to waste one on an old bunker that they'll easily have determined is abandoned. The ruskies aren't anywhere near as dumb and sloppy as US propaganda would make them out to be.
Seek, god love ya and all, but never, ever, take anything Hulk says seriously !!!
"Hopefully the Russians have gotten wind that those are ex missile sites, otherwise rich preppers ass going to get real hot !!!"
Hey, who turned the Nuker on x-tra High???
Prep and keep your mouth shut about it.
Hide in plain sight.
These idiots have just made themselves targets.
Oh well, better them than me.
Are you going to go try and take their stuff?
Target or no target, their stuff is pretty safe from even a very determined foe.
DaddyO
I'm not.
When military units haven't been fed or paid for a while . they probably will.
I have many military friends, they are us...
Over the last 6 years, the patriots in the military have been mustered out.
All that's left for the most part are lifers who are sticking it out for the pension and sycophants who will be ill-equipped to take a bakery in Ferguson, let alone a hardened bunker with armed residents.
DaddyO
edit: The Biker gangs and the Latino gangs may pose a more serious threat in the direct aftermath of the flag going up. They're quick, determined and agile...
Get a mental image of mobs of well-armed criminals on bikes looting, pillaging and raping and you have a picture of what the ground war will look like. Hard to defend against 200 merciless coked-up biker thugs with automatic weapons homed in on the isolated farmhouse with well-tended fields and livestock. Only community standing together can deter and defend.
Nothing like a good raping and pillaging.
Your comments are truly a 'word from the wise' (or, at least, a word from someone who has a good grasp of reality).
'Biker gangs' don't really exist so much. It's the 'ex-prison gangs'. The Cholos, though... HMMM.
Let's see. LEAVE THE BORDER OPEN, DON'T ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAW, WELCOME THE SICK DISEASED CRIMINAL MOTHERFUCKERS WITH OPEN ARMS, ENCOURAGE THEM TO BREED LIKE THE CATHOLIC MAGGOT COCKROACHES THAT THEY REALLY ARE, TELL THEM THAT THE UNITED STATES OWES THEM A LIFE, GIVE THEM MAPS AND FAKE AND REAL DRIVERS' LICENSES (and 'section 8 housing and welfare and free medical and...) , TURN THE OTHER WAY WHEN THEY COMMIT FELONIES,... 45 fucking million illegal aliens, all waiting to 'rise up', and trained for GENERATIONS that they SHOULD.. at the urging of the USGOV... and the Cannigula in current occupation of the highest office who has a long list of FORMER Cannigulas to thank for this moment of his highest triumph of beginning the open race wars...
HELL, why spent YOUR money killing people when all you have to do is spent THEIR OWN money so that they kill EACH OTHER?
Biker gangs are SO OUTDATED. The CIA and the FBI tried that shit in the 1960's when they infiltrated the Hell's Angels, and it was a failure (as if Charlie Manson's example wasn't enough). They DID have some success in using these clubs to cause the importation of all kinds of DRUGS, though (which led to the 'war of drugs' or rather, the 'war ON drugs', instituted by Nixon {which was the first Cannigula to cause the grants of 'amnesty' to the illegal cockroaches, coincidentally).
While Russia builds nuclear bomb shelters for its population.
http://rt.com/news/prime-time/moscow-bomb-shelters-outskirts/
But, who cares about the general population? As long as the super rich have access to a nice home cinema system underground, everything is OK.
It's called the subway.....live near one
You got ten minutes. I'm timing.
Closer to 5 minutes if it's a nuclear tipped cruise missile launched right off the coastline.
Standard Disclaimer: During the cold war, I boiled water using neutrons aboard a fast attack submarine. All sides are pretty much fucked if it goes nuclear.
FAIL. Zero minutes. How will you be warned that the 10 minutes is starting? Only way is if you are right there, hence the basement shelters.
Blast shelters and fallout shelters are two different things. You need to be in a blast shelter at the time of detonation, not so with a fallout shelter.
hope for the best, plan for the worst.
Old sardines (in 100 can cases) never die.
I'd rather die.
Not one person I know, friends or family, has made any effort to prep.
I am just among friends here on ZH, who get it.
Those who have done othing to prepare, will be the ones knocking on your door looking for a handout. What will you do?
Not let them get to my door...
Charity is doled out at a central site in my prep neighborhood, the local church on given days.
If you have entered past my latched gate, you are fair game.
DaddyO
Deal with the threat.
Those who have done othing to prepare, will be the ones knocking on your door looking for a handout. What will you do?
I'll do a misdirection play: Get some threadbare clothes from the thrift store and knock on their doors for a handout first.
Nah, I probably won't do that because my ass will be bugged out, but it could work.
I believe misdirection is the ongoing play, even after bugging out. Especially after bugging out.
Its a good idea to have an anorexic handy to answer the door in such cases...
I believe our friend was asking "what will you do when you son/daughter shows up", not just some random dude.
Y'all gonna kill them too?
Very few studied when I was in college either. I think the goal is to be the exception not the typical.
I know of 1 prepper, and I am not him. I'm thinking of laying in some staples, toilet paper, water purification tablets, and medicine. (the most prescription meds you can get is a 3 months supply) I already have the gold, guns and ammo. The problem is that I live in 2 states, That is my delimma.
We live in a world where they are trying to sell us insurance from every under rock, including the government forcing us to buy it, but if we are so paranoid to go so far as to buy and stockpile a few weeks of food and water we are extremist nuts representing a real threat to America.
A few weeks?
Oh uh, nevermind...
I am so relieved that the majority of survivors will most likely be libertarians!
Back to free markets!
Libertarianism could save a society, but has no better chance of survival if shit hits the fan. Those skill sets may contain some libertarian self sufficiency traits, but will also call for some pretty brutal choices that are better suited by those collectivists that have used revolution and collapse as a means of focusing the mobs anger to its own ends. From those who have, to those who need, know what I mean?
Point taken, but the collectivists in America aren't used to collapse. They are used to majoring in gender studies on Mom and Dad's dime, and protesting guns and lack of enough big government regulation during the day.
All I'm saying is that even in anarchy, leadership will emerge to collectivize the hate and direct it towards specific targets. Tyranny is typically the first result of collapse or a push towards anarchy. These people you refer to, majoring in gender studies, will not be equipped for the anarchist world and will be seeking, violently if necessary, to empower someone or organization to impose order. They won't be out planting corn. They will not hesitate in using the force of a mob to "redistribute" wealth as they see necessary. A libertarian will likely not find that as their first inclination.
Nobody has brought this up in some time and I feel that it merits a re-visit.
Remember, the playbook is to blame freedom and capitalism. Obama has said it himself...capitalism is what caused the Great Depression. It has never worked. Government intervention saved America.
It won't be different this time around. Actually, yes it will; more people will believe it!
Free markets will be blamed for this and anyone who has more than someone else (especially if he's white) will be the target of the rage. Dutiful liberals will not be spared. They'll be the first target because they claim to be believers, so time to put up or shut up.
Thats why they keep calling it democracy rather than low information mob rule, and capitalism rather government directed corruption. Everything is by design. There are no accidents in politics.
How many of you have a weeks worth of food at home? A generator? Some exta cash for emergency? Some sort of self defense weapon and plenty of ammo for it?
Permanently wired in auto connect generator, dried food, bottled water, reverse osmosis filtration systems, multiple weapons and many, many multiples of ammo on 48 acres, not to mention fully equipped shop with significant mechanical, electrical and construction experience.....if I just don't die first.
I just got a woody.
How do you protect 48 acres? I hope you have a group of trained german shepherds and a community, who know how to work and lay low,, undetected.
Forget a generator, it's useless long-term. You will spent most of yout time scaving fuel for it and speding a lot in trade to keep the thing running. Also, if you are in a bug-out location, the generator (even the quite ones) betray your location.
In my plan the generator is only going to be kept running the first week until the perishable food is gone.
Prepare to go back t doing things the pre-electrcty way. Hand pumps on the well-head, hand-wash your stuff, etc.
Its not my plan to hide in a hole for survival.
Didn't work for Sadam.
My generator is natural gas/propane. Looking into wood gas generation as I have lots of wood. Ultimately if things are bad enough long enough, no plan will work short of relying on your brain and a williness to do what must be done (this is where most people fail in life already and is their biggest risk in a collapse).
Been debating the utility of a generator. Not a viable SHTF long term asset...unless it's solar, but the costs are really beyond most people. Also, a gas generator is going to likely give notice to everyone who has good stuff. I was just saying to the wife the other day, that you might not want to run that generator unless there's background sound like rain/wind.
I honestly didn't put the generator in for prepper service. I am more concerned about long term power outages that we seem to get a lot of here. Its 100kw and burns shit loads of gas so its really not economical for a permanent application. I would love solar and wind, its just so damned expensive for so little that unless I'm willing to live an apocalypse life style it almost useless. My home is all geothermal, so its basically an all electric home. Dried food and a tent may be my fallback. If things really do go badly, the first thing we will need to do is change our perspective of normalcy. The longer we try to hang onto the past, the sooner we fail.
Geothermal, wow, that's top shelf. I guess youre referring to a Heat pump using a ground sink rather than via open air. I'm leaning toward a very basic portable propane generator to run the water well (500 feet) on an occasional basis worst case and for those ice/T storm outages that can be several days. We're at the bug out locale although leaving isn't beyond the realm in a bad tactical situation.
There is a lot of different ways to prep, but electricity is a hard one to get around. Even with a portable you can get an exterior interface kit that will allow you to plug your generator into your panel without having to drag cords through windows and doors.
There are some reasonable sources for geothermal but unless you can do a lot of it yourself, its has a pretty long payback. Big Gov is offering a 30% tax credit for installations, but even still. If you can keep your floor space limited, then some of these new portable ac/heat pumps can be a good alternative can you can zone each room individually, which is tough to do with a central system. Also you can always heat with wood in the winter as a backup.
As we live on acreage, even though it is in the city, when power goes out we seem to be the last to get it back on. We were without for almost six days in the dead of winter, which was terrible and it induced me to put in the big generator. I bought it used and installed it myself, which was a big job. We lost power this summer for three days from a storm, and it was worth it.
Its goes so much beyond prepping for societal collapse, it simply about being reasonably prepared, and like insurance, you spend what you think prudent and can afford. It just drives me nuts that so many live like grasshoppers and expect the ants to "anti-up" when SHTF.
Lack of electricity on a country-wide basis is an 'extinction event'. Solar OK, but start looking at plain 12V DC small appliances and propane appliances. It's easier to tap 12V from solar than converting it to 110V.
I keep thinking about EG Robinson in Soylent green, pedaling his bicycle generator. Wish I could find a good efficient one. It would cut down my wife's TV time considerably if she had to peddle to watch.
The right kind of electric motor can be used as an electirc generator, converting mechanical motion back into electricity.
I just have an inverter that will convert 12 volt to lower amp 120volt.
Besides water, heat is the most critical environmental challenge at the homestead. We bought the house which have the heat pumps, but more importantly back up propane heating appliances, and even more importantly a fire place insert which is putting out according to the literature up to 75,000 BTU, and I tend to believe it. Then winter grade sleeping bags. System redundancies. Cooking with a kelly kettle or a solar oven is doable when you're really hunkered down.
Since I have wooded acreage, I'm saving as quick as I can for something along these lines...
http://www.centralboiler.com/
That should cover the heating aspects, not to mention saving me some electricity costs.
Generators are ok run sparingly and for cripes sake dig a hole. Best way to soundproof one, air intake and exhaust you will not hear it 20 feet away
Run it on wood gas.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&u...
Lets just say we are ready for the long-term. We decided to first ensure we were ready for old-school living -- no generator, no electricity, think middle ages. (Well, plus modern weapons.) Focus on ensuring you can live primitively, and you may do better long-term. Important to cultivate friendships with neighbors (even non-preppers) if they can contribute something useful (hand labor, gardening, etc.). More peace of mind is precious.
No electricity doesn't mean middle ages, but certainly the 1800's.
Correct. You get the idea. Most just think about how to simulate the conveniences they have now. Forget them. Think sturdy buckets, large quantity water storage, cook fire gear, sewing supplies, non-electric hand tools, oil lanterns and candle supplies, plenty of good shoes....
Been thinking about shoes...crafting them for barter.
A needed skill. Shouldn't need a lot of resources to repair or even make shoes. If you're a hunter, learn about curing hides (shoes, laces, jackets, etc.).
That would be the ultimate...applying the most needed long term skill of hunting/trapping and applying it to an ancillary skill like shoe making.
Yes, but 1800s with some 21st century tech: Solar-powered or rechargeable batteries, that can run low-wattage tech like laptops and some Comm devices. Perhaps more.
With a few kW, you can run the blower on your furnace, fridge, microwave, freezer, efficient LED lights with high Lumen output instead of low-Lumen candles. The stuff that really makes a difference in quality of life. Sorry about your big-ass LCD TV though... you'll have to work manually,doing stuff around the house and garden or farm, instead of watching TV.
Not to worry... you won't need "Reality TV programs", because you'll be living one.
I would definitely consider your alternative but....I'm married.
I might survive the apocalypse, but I won't survive my wife.
If she is that nasty, could she be effective at scaring off looters?
Hell, she will be on point. She would shoot before I would. (she has her CHL and is a pretty good shot)
She really isn't nasty as much as she likes what she likes and is not going to give it up unless someone (hopefully not me) pry it out of her cold dead hands.
In other words, she not moving to the "country", unless she's returning fire over her shoulder.
I've got a sleeping bag, and stockpiles of Jameson hidden throughout the woods. Should be a good time.
flood em out
You aren't quite thinking straight, roger. Water would ruin a lot of the stuff. A pile of leaves by the air intake, light it up and smoke them out. Then get the stuff. Those bunkers weren't made for defense against attackers on the ground. I won't be going underground. I would rather be able to watch and see what's comming my way. Some bunkers have cameras but those are easily defeated.
these bunker are built within a faraday cage, good for storeage
I never thought I would ever be in the mainstream.
It must be close to the end...just kidding, here you go.
http://ready4itall.org/the-free-preppers-library/
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/get-prepared-122-of-the-best-p...
Only 2 + my Up arrow? Wow, how sad and ironic.
Looks like all too many 'reward' people for posting funny one-liners, rather than useful info that adds to the dialog. And then we have the gall to bitch about non-preppers, liberals, etc. The gall.
huntin' elitist scalp in the "aftermath" gonna be big bucks.
"They can't necessarily put their finger on it"
We are going to need a bigger bunker.
Man, it is going to be so easy to kill the men, steal their stuff, and hear the Lamentations of their women.
so said the fool who grossly underestimated his neighbors and their quiet preparations.
Here kitty kitty...
DaddyO
booya