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Greek Prime Minister: "It's Best For The Country" To Do Away With Democracy
During a state-TV "interview" which many are dubbing pure fear-mongering propaganda ahead of Monday's final 'vote of confidence', Greek Prime Minister Samaras unleashes his most assanine M.A.D. comments yet.
"It's not a question of what's good for me or New Democracy. It's best for the country that there are not snap elections."
Translation: you don't need no stinking democracy, trust us - your benevolent rulers - to do what's best for the Greek people.
- *SNAP ELECTIONS WILL THROW GREECE INTO TURMOIL, SAMARAS SAYS (and the ECB)
- *GREECE'S BIGGEST PROBLEM IS POLITICAL UNCERTAINTY: SAMARAS (not record youth unemployment, povrty, and suicide rates, and surging youth emigration)
- *SAMARAS SAYS NOW IS TIME FOR LAWMAKERS TO DO THEIR DUTY (ignore the people's pleas and pain, vote for EU bureaucrats)
And with Greece's (anti-EU) Syriza party now leading by 2.5pts in the latest polls, it is hardly surprising Samaras is pulling out all the 'turmoil' threats. "Greek people don't want elections," he chides. By 'Greek people', we assume he means 'unelected European bureaucrats'.
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I want the guillotine concession in Greece.....
Fuck the EU!
I said this back in 2012 and I'll say it again --
Little Greece -- you can put an end to the world's central banker madness.
I am fully expecting a 180 vote though.
Greece has had quite a sinuous loveaffair with Democracy since ancient times
They're probably using the same PR firm that came up with the Swiss initiative killing strategy
They should vote, to see if they should no longer...um....vote.
""It's not a question of what's good for me or New Democracy. It's best for the country that there are not snap elections.""
This is a politician making a call he is legally allowed to make as to whether or not HE will call snap elections. Nothing more. Nothing less. And by the way, he gets to keep his job by doing this.
How is this in any way a dictate from the EU, the Jooos!, or anyone else, click-counts aside for the moment?
This will help make it more clear: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-27/cradle-democracy-rocks-autocrat...
It is a vote of confidence, and if Samaras loses that vote, snap elections are held and the EU/Junker/Brussels/Wall Street backed Prime Minister may get booted for someone who isn't a bankster patsy.
Their laws call for a Parliamentary vote, so his comment is a veiled threat to try and avoid elections so he can stay in power.
"Their laws call for a Parliamentary vote, so his comment is a veiled threat to try and avoid elections so he can stay in power."
No .... not a veiled threat.
His term would expire in 2016. He has, not surprisingly given his popularity, refused calls to call snap elections in 2014 or 2015 as demanded by the opposition. That is his decision to make.
But yes....it is also why they've forced the issue and voted down his party's candidate in 2 previous votes.
Samaras is, correctly, pointing out that the EU will detach Greece from the tit when the next vote also 'fails', snap elections are called, and the cycle of Greek governments alternates back to another government loudly demanding moar and better free money from the Germans. They'll do it anyway.
And when that goes badly, as previously, they will elect (yet again) another government willing to play ball with the EU, in exchange for having their budget shortfall covered. The people will demand it. Because living within their means is not an acceptable alternative.
I very much doubt he will get the 180 votes. Nonetheless even Syriza (the opposition party) is pro-EU. The pro-EU propganda in the main stream media seems to work very well in Greece. One reason is that 1/3 people have never used the internet. I was shocked when I read that. It explains a lot.
Ok, so lets say he doesn't get the 180 votes.
Markets go into Chaos, low information shithead Greeks votes for ND again, and get more of the same.
Its why so many of us on here have literally zoer faith in the Greek people and only feel sorry for them when it gives us the upper hand in an argument about the EU, using the EU's "we care about the people" argument against their supporters.
If people had more internet access perhaps they could learn how their country cooked the books or how their public employees earn on average 3x private company salaries... The EU isn't wrong in asking them to behave as a civilized nation.
It's a pity that the folks here at ZH ask for more transparency for the US and more or less any other nation on the planet and then, misteriously, turn up to be defending the one western nation that has been the least transparent in the last 40 years...
I want the author to spell asinine
spelling is just a convention, there is no correct way to spell only agreement within a culture. The intellectual snobism of the spelling police is just you being a control freak.
Just say no !
Indeed, and he is probably American to boot.
Pot> kettle> black.
"spelling is just a convention, there is no correct way to spell only agreement within a culture"
Tell that to the TYLERS lawyers
Firstly, ZH's misspell words as a cult. What if the author meant "ass & nine." get the picture?
Secondly, on Greece, breaking up from EU and euro, it is obvious that the oligarchs and TPTB may have a good hold on Greece's entrails as they can get Turkey to make them spit blood, in addition to sanctions, if the Greeks dare. I bet all Greeks including politicians are praying that Italy or Spain folds first.
So bubbling without considering the geopolitical big picture is nonsensical.
And yes, when Syriza wins they will get the memo.
The only hope is implossion of the whole EU due to unsustainability.
...the olny irpoamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rhgit pclae.
"spelling is just a convention, there is no correct way to spell only agreement within a culture"
Don't be foolish. There are rules to communication. You don't grunt, you speak fully-formed words and sentences if you want to be understood. And when you write, you spell properly so your readers don't get headaches trying to make out what the heck you're saying.
Yes, these are conventions. So?
Just try to be 'unconventional' and 'not a snob', scramble your letters, spell in Cyrillic or write in Hindi, see how well your messages come across in America.
BTW, is that a picture of you? It explains a lot.
Your response is like lead. Just so that you may not willfully deny the meaning, the point is that while "there are rules to communication", they are nothing more than mere conventions. The best evidence for this is that these rules can and do change over time. There is no sense of the actual animal in the letters d-o-g or in the sound of the word. The exception, of course, are onomatopoeias.
You are correct, spelling is a convention. As I like to do, I recommend a book on this matter, in case there's doubt:
José Ortega y Gasset, "Man and People" (published 1957)
The book also deals with the fact, that not only spelling, but also police is a form of convention. It is quite an interesting read.
I think kchrisc comes fisrt in my opinion as he has stated that he has built one already, therefore it will be more competitive.
But of course you have to put your best offer as well.
May the best (Guillotine) WIN.
This guy may not know it but he's correct . Greece does need to get rid of their "democracy ". Greeks and Romans formed the first two republics. The two terms are polar opposites.
Just spray some Windex on it and ... OPA!
will you fucking greeks just kill that fucking EU/MoneyChanger puppet....
FOR FUCKS SAKE U PUSSYFIED MOTHER FUCKERS.
Well, they're waiting for the Americans to lead by example though extermination of the Federal Reserve. Beacon (or was it bacon) of freedom and all that bullshit.
Don't say. Do.
2015 will be the year the SHIT HITS THE FAN
No. We've got a few more years. When IS (the barbarians) begin operations in USSA (Rome) around the year 2016 then the shit hits the fan.
"The Fifth Phase This will be the point at which an Islamic state, or caliphate, can be declared. The plan is that by this time, between 2013 and 2016, Western influence in the Islamic world will be so reduced and Israel weakened so much, that resistance will not be feared. Al-Qaida hopes that by then the Islamic state will be able to bring about a new world order.
The Sixth Phase Hussein believes that from 2016 onwards there will a period of "total confrontation." As soon as the caliphate has been declared the "Islamic army" it will instigate the "fight between the believers and the non-believers" which has so often been predicted by Osama bin Laden.
The Seventh Phase This final stage is described as "definitive victory." Hussein writes that in the terrorists' eyes, because the rest of the world will be so beaten down by the "one-and-a-half billion Muslims," the caliphate will undoubtedly succeed. This phase should be completed by 2020, although the war shouldn't last longer than two years."
I see some similarities to in what you are stating to what I believe concerning those last few verses of Daniel 11 and 12:1. At the very end, just before the Second Coming, a power represented as the king of the north, will sweep through the Middle East and "plant his tabernacles" in Israel, thus defeating Israel, but tidings out of the East will trouble him (the king of the north) and "he shall come to his end and none shall help him." (Islam will be defeated also.) Then Michael (Christ) will stand up (cease His meditaorial work in the heavenly sanctuary) and probation will close on the human race, every case having been decided, and there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation (Daniel 12:1). The world, having rejected God and His law, Satan will plunge the inhabitants of the earth into one final trouble. All of the elements of strife will be let loose as the angels cease to hold in check the four winds. Bible prophecy is being rapidly fulfilled.
God isn't real and the Bible is a vague fiction.
The original (Hebrew) version was a collection of stories (with strong local significance) dating back a very long time (e.g.Old Testament). There have been many translations, usually funded by those in places of significant influence (e.g. the King James 1st translation (started in 1601)). Of course, "those doing the paying" might want the "official translation" to reflect "their" interests, so there are plenty of arguments on the Net stating more or less that the "KJV Authorised" translation is, well, not "quite" accurate . . . .
As to God being not real - I find it best to quote the comedian Dave Allen - closing remarks being "May YOUR God go with you".
Two things:
First, to the poster above you, those who proclaim that God does not exist are woefully ignorant, somehow missing the advances made in the most cutting edge of the sciences over the past several decades; in particular, molecular biology. The existance of a creating intelligence really is at this point beyond disputation. Even the likes of Richard Dawkins has, albeit somewhat grudgingly, conceded the point.
Now, the nature of God certainly is a question upon which reasonable minds might disagree, but one should be cautious about throwing out the baby with the bath water, so to speak.
Second, to you, you are mistaken about the 'inaccuracy' of this translation or that. Yes, there are difficulties in translation (try translating Shakespeare into ancient Sanskrit, for instance - it'll lose some of it's poetic elegance in the process, to say nothing of leaving a bunch of turban wearers scratching their heads and wondering, "WTF?").
But by any objective study of the subject, the Bible is absolutely remarkable in its apparant preservation of the original writings (the result of more serious academic effort than just about anything else mankind has put its mind to). The book of Isaiah found with the Dead Sea Scrolls is about the best illustration of that; to wit: The modern, painstakingly reconstructed version of Isaiah is almost word for word identical to the version written some 700 years before Christ (and most of the discrepencies are easily explained by scholars).
For those living in an era of xerox machines and copy and paste, the magnitude of that achievement is likely lost, but to the cognescenti, it strains credulity.
Democracy was fine in city states where people knew one another. Nation states with an alien tribe controlling the media and banking and therefore the puppet politicians, not so much.
Damn right! Direct democracy is a more efficient form to an inefficient system. Sanctity of vote is a pure propaganda lie. The whole idea is to not let people know whether they're majority or minority, to be able to twist outcome either which way. If you vote by a show of hands in a small town sqare, the outcome is obvious. Nation state elections? You're just supposed to put up with whatever paid for media tells you.
The biggest goal of a representative (and direct) democracy is assumed compliance. If you agree with the democratic principle, you're supposed to comply with the outcome of the vote, even if it goes against your personal freedoms and beliefs. Through the mere act of participation you sign away your rights.
Constitutional Republic is in every way superior to a democracy. It allows voting but lays out right away the kinds of things you cannot vote on. In a democracy an individual has no rights - only priviledges granted to him by the will of the faceless majority. In a Constitutional Republic, the individual and his property is the foundation of everything. One man stands above the mass as oppose to other way around.
By the very definition, in a democracy "an individual" is always a minority.
I think you are hinting at the new reality of government. Democracy is indeed fine in a system where people know eachother and also have access to unbiased information in the form of a real public service media, much bias will be there, but counter points are free to be raised. This is opposite of America and the EU, where the Corprate take over of media and the corporate take over of government is now complete. Only a fool believes that a real media exists in the west, there is none. Only a fully developed propaganda bull horn for the established elite's "manipulation of voters" machine. Lies and damed lies, marketing of false pretense, and out right thought control techniques are the norm. Candidates are pre screened by ultra elite corporate groups, AIPAC, radical right wing think tanks, and bankers associtations, heads of the major military contractors and the secret world of CIA and NSA, all these screen and pick candidates who follow their line. These are then presented as a democat and a republican and we get to vote for them. I present Obama and Bush as proof beyond rational argument that there is no two party system, but one party, the party that rules.
As long as we vote for their hand picked candidates, they will allow us to have this fake democracy. Should people refuse to vote for them, and vote for non-party candidates who manage from time to time to get on a ballot. If it ever looks like one of those popular candidates could win, then the elites would create a false flag terror attack and sut down deomocracy. After 9/11 there was a debate indie the ruling elites that they might use 9/11 to do the deed then, but they chose not to. Realizing that Americans would fall in line and give the 1% total control without any coup.
America suffered a silent and slow motion coup over the last two decades. Carried out by the ultra rich elites and their allied military and spy chiefs. They ended your democracy and media freedom long ago. Now it is all a lie, smoke and mirrors touted by the tame controlled media liars. Like CNN, FOX, MSNBC, CBS and National Public Radio.
$hit; a five minute conversation with the 'common' man (and especially woman) should tell you Democracy is Bull $hit.
Agree! Five minutes of an attempted rational conversation with an average American, in which you bring up economics, foreign policy, media, government wrong doing, education and health care, will result in a total brain collapse of your chosen vicitm. Revealing a brain dead zombie, ruined by a public education and years of media brainwashing. Underneath the facade of a "well educated free American citizen" lies a well dressed Cave Man.
Democracy is tyranny by consent of the voters...
Tyranny of the many over the few.
When media is bought and paid for, the rule doesn't apply. In our country few rule over the many by masquerading as a majority. The whole purpose of congressional lobbying is to portray the few as the many, automatically granting them priviledge in accordance to the democratic principle.
i smell revolution.
Syriza is more than just an anti-EU party.
The Coalition of the Radical Left[13] (Greek: ??????????? ????????????? ?????????, Synaspismós Rizospastikís Aristerás), known colloquially by its acronym SYRIZA (Greek: ??????, pronounced [?si?iza]), is a left-wing political party in Greece, originally founded as acoalition of left-wing and radical left parties.
The coalition originally comprised a broad array of groups (thirteen in total) and independent politicians, including democratic socialists,left-wing populist and green left groups, as well as Maoist, Trotskyist, eurocommunist but also eurosceptic composants. Its parliamentaryleader is Alexis Tsipras, formerly president of Synaspismós, the largest group in the coalition. From 2013 the coalition became a unitary party, although it retained its name with the addition of "United Social Front".
In 2012 Syriza became the second largest party in the Greek parliament and the main opposition party. It came in first in the 2014 European Parliament election.[14] whilst during the past few months it has become the country's most popular party.[15][16]
Syriza is officially characterized as an anti-establishment party,[17] whose success has sent "shock-waves across the EU".[18] Although it has abandoned its old identity, that of a hard-left protest voice, becoming more populist in character, and claiming that it will not abandon the Eurozone immediately,[19] at the same time, his leader Alexis Tsipras has declared that "euro is not my fetish".[20]
Hey Samaras: Merry Gofuckyourself.
The land of the free has done away with democracy and now we have a sky high stock market (thanks to Fed manipulation), near zero interest rates (thanks, Fed), a militarized police, infinite spying by the NSA, a corrupt judiciary monitored by the NSA, the Nobel Prize Winner bombing 7 Muslim countries and creating havoc in the Ukraine, GMO foods which remain unlabeled (93% want GMO labeling), fluoridated water to keep you calm (neurotoxin fluoride is ingredient in Prozac, Paxil and rat poison), compromised and corrupt politicians, captured regulators and the 0.1% now have more wealth than the bottom 90%.
The advantages of fascism, which is well-known to Greeks, cannot be overstated - especially by the 0.1%. Do the others matter, anyway?
Democracy as our Framers understood is nothing more than mob rule. Mobs are governed by emotion not reason. They are quite simply a momentary dictatorship of a local majority. A republic on the other hand is rule by law. The downfall of all republics lies in the fact that the makers are distracted by their various economic pursuits while the takers game the system. In the end, the law is suspended by some real or contrived emergency and the takers take over.
The oligarchs that have taken over have painted themselves into a corner. They have sized the engine room and the bridge of the Titanic. While they are franticly attempting to gain more and more, the ship is sinking. They will go down with it.
To see how well, e.g. the American political system represents "The People", it's useful to notice just how many Presidents, and Presidential Candidates, seem to come from the same two families. (namely the Clinton clan, and the Bush clan).
With 350 million to choose from, one might reasonably expect a wider "spread" of Presidential representation . . . . . .
It's the Chicago way.
Time to take out the trash...
This little "PIIGS"y watched too much Monkey Magic growing up... waiting to see if Draghi becomes president of an "I"... then we'll really see the "lawmakers" for-fill their destiny towards the New Demonocracy - they gotta a pretty good head start.
SEIG HEIL
"Reißen 'se sich zusammen, Mann! Sie haben Pflichten als Volksgenosse!"
Throw the bums out, and name the new Greek currency the Ouzo.
Every major vote seems to always fall on the side of the EU elite. When it doesn't, the masses are told to-vote again (sarkozy to Ireland) or the vote must be postponed (samaras to Greece). For once, I'd like to see an election that actually changes shit.
Here in murka' - fuck yeah, the masses vote against their own interest as a matter of habit, hence the red team blue team buttfucking we get every couple of years.
After the Scotland referendum a ZHr commented far better than I, to the effect:
"you do not vote for indpendence, it is demanded at the end of a gun"
seems rather symbolic of genuine intent vs "golly gosh" okay, well thats what the majority wanted without fear or favour, it must be good for us all thanks for the opportunity to vote Sir.
gosh red arrows popping up -must be people who 'lived' it
at least once in my life I witnessed a nation fight - not passively, sweetly vote for a Prom Queen... pity Mugabe had USA/UK/USSR/China dosh and guns; on the other hand, its all been really cool for Zim once the BIS cabal took over its now an awesome place for someone else to raise their babies.
Unilateral Declaration of Independence from the cabal had 40/60 white/black support in the army.
One man, One vote, One Bugger Up - consider this old 'humour' slowly, its not about removing the individual right to vote, its actually about its abuse through border management and propaganda etc creating the farce of democracy that then fences us within.
I've been pointing this out for years now.
Every single time there is a vote that could jeopardize the EMZ, it magically goes the EMZ's way.
I would love to see this -- how many elections -- over a politically charged point -- habitually goes one way over and over and over again. I would imagine that the EMZ's "chances" of this are so far outside the 1 or 2 standard deviations at this point -- such study would get crushed as soon as its the press.
"...it magically goes the EMZ's way"
magic has little to do with that. I could point out that every time a politician or a party in the eurozone starts to talk about getting rid of the EUR in earnest... support is lost
why? well, perhaps because there is only a very unclear, fringe opposition to the EUR. undefined, small and without any arguments that strike the imagination
take your reason: "BLAM!, want something to break". Or Dr. Krugman's, and those of the ultra-Keynesians money printers
it's a similar think to UKIP: their ranks are swollen with those that suffer from globalization... while their party's goals would not necessarily lead to less globalization
say one thing and BE EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.
These populist movements in core EU are all neo-fascist.
Not so sure about the fringe economies of Spain and Greece.
But lets face it, if elected they will really be squeezed in the vise-like grip of twin opposites : international Oligarchy and enfamished population and we know where that leads : USSR 1917, Italy 1922, Germany 1933. For Greece or Spain if the extereme left win it could lead to the return of the Colonels or Generals (Franco).
Without a Republic that stands on its feet and respects ethics, historical truth and personal freedoms of expression to find balance, we are always lost.
The age of Reason (enlightenment) was about balance between collective good and private liberty and about achieving progress by reconciling these by its ACTS based on laws voted by the elected.
If we elect populist leaders who despise laws based on ethics and time honoured principles, relying just on emotional knee-jerks of moment, we end up in populist fascism.
One phrase to keep in mind that epitomises populist logic : "you are juridically wrong because you are politically in minority." It was originally pronounced by Saint-Just during the French revolution --(and again by a socialist shill in 1981 after Mitterrand's victory that sealed 23 years of Gaullist dominance) -- and it epitomises hegemony of populism as it bases legal reality on ephemeral majority in parliament which can lead to the Terror (as it did for Saint-Just or to fiscal/debt profligacy as it did for Mitterrand in his 1981-1983 socialist debt for no return spree! France has never managed to stop the debt spiral since then). De Tocqueville had a lot to say about this in his discussions on the legacy of the French Revolution and about American democracy.
During the Crusades the Papal legate Arnold Amalric used the same logic before Beziers during the Cathar revolt in 1209. He said to the beseiged : you are wrong because as Dualists you are spiritually in the minority before our Catholic God!
When they defied him he had all 20 000 killed saying: Kill em all and let God choose his own !
Its awesome to see populist democracies use the same logic in this day and age.
Vote 3rd party.
Guillotines, the ultimate voting booth.
The banksters need to repay us.
The vote buying and bullying will continue until the bankers get what they want, which is everything under the sun.
They will not stop until either you die, or they die. That is the choice.
In Eastern European countries, as well as Russia, the commie bosses had their own stores for everything that mere plebes were not allowed in.
Serfdom was the rule then, and it is the rule now. Nothing has changed, just apperances.
Now, they don't even bother with appearances anymore.
Maurice Bardèche’s Nuremberg or the Promised Land is a revisionist classic. . . . That anyone in 1948 could have foreseen so accurately our modern world is to me astounding. Bardèche recognized that the judicial travesty at Nuremberg was not simply an act of vengeance by victors against the vanquished and that what was on trial there was not just the particular German defendants, nor the German nation, nor even National Socialism, but rather nationalism itself: the idea that a people own the land that they have long lived in and have the right to live in it as they wish and to exclude others from living in it if they so wish. It is nationalism in any form which was condemned at Nuremberg.
Bardèche was a fascist who understood the flaws of democracy and that the movement for democratization of nations was really an attack on nationalism. The following is an excerpt from book (pp. 101-104), available for free on line: http://www.lulu.com/shop/search.ep?keyWords=Nuremberg+or+the+Promised+Land&type=
When we think of a human person, we see a father with his children around him, with his children around his table, in a room on his farm, and he shares soup and bread with them, or in [243] a house in the suburbs, and there is nowhere he’s so well off as on his farm, or in his fourth floor apartment, or in his house in the suburbs, and he returns from work and he asks what happened that day; or he is in his workshop, and he shows to his little boy how one properly makes a board, how one passes one’s hand over the board to check that the work is good. It is this human person whom we defend and respect, this human person and no other, and all that belongs to him, his children, his house, his work, his field. And we say that this human person has the right that his children’s bread be assured, that his house be inviolable, that his work be honored, that his field belong to him. That his children’s bread be assured, that means that a Negro, an Asian or a Semite will not dispute with him about the place to which he has a right inside the city, and that he will not be obliged some day, in order to live, to be the proletarian and the slave of a foreigner. That his house be inviolable, that means that he will be able to think what he [244] wants and say what he wants, that he will be the Master at his table and the Master in his house, that he will be protected if he obeys the edicts of the prince, and that the Negro, the Asian or the Semite will not appear in front of his door to explain to him what it is necessary to think and to invite him to follow them to prison. That his work be honored, that means that he will meet with the men of his trade, those whom he calls his partners or his colleagues, as he wants, and that he will have the right to say that his work is hard, that the chair which he is making is worth so many pounds of bread, that each hour of his work is worth so many pounds of bread, that he has the right also to live, that is, not to wear worn-out shoes and torn clothing, to have his own radio if he so desires, to have his own house if he puts money aside for that, his own car if he succeeds in his work, the share of luxury that our machines owe him, and that the Negro, the Asian or the Semite will not fix at Winnipeg or Pretoria the price of his day’s work and the menu at his table. And that his field belong to him, that means that he has the right to call himself the master of this house which his grandfather [245] built, master of this city which his grandfather and those of the other men of the city built, that no one has the right to drive him out of his residence or out of the council house and that the foreign workmen whose grandfathers were not there when they built the belfry, the Negroes, the Asians and the Semites who work in the mine or who sell at the crossroads will not have at all the power to decide the destiny of his little boy. That is what we call the rights of the human person, and we say that the duty of the sovereign is nothing other than to ensure respect for these essential rights, and to manage his nation well, like a good father of a family as the rental leases say, like a father leads his family; that the laws are nothing other than wise rules, rules known by all, written with the help of the counsel of qualified men, posted on walls and sovereign; and that these rights, without which there is no city, must be defended by force if necessary, and in all cases by an effective protection. As one can see, we are in favor, we also, of the defense of the human person. [246] But in these terms. And not in the sense understood by the Court. It is simply a matter of understanding oneself (de se comprendre).
This man of the earth and the cities, this man who has been man as long as there have been peoples and cities, it is precisely he that Nuremberg condemns and repudiates. For the new law says to him: “You will be a citizen of the world, you yourself will also be packaged and dehydrated, you will not listen anymore to the rustle of your trees and the voice of your bells, but you will learn to hear the voice of the universal conscience; shake the dirt (terre) from your shoes, peasant; this land (terre) is nothing any more; she soils, she obstructs, she prevents one from making pretty packagings. Modern times have come. Listen to the voice of modern times. The Polish laborer who changes jobs twelve times a year is the same man as you; the Jewish rag-hawker who has just arrived from Korotcha or Jitomir is the same man as you; they have the same rights as you on your land (terre) and on your city; respect the Negro, O peasant. They have the same rights as you, and you will set places for them at your table and they will enter into the council where [247] they will teach you what the universal conscience says, which you do not yet hear as well as you should. And their sons will be respected men (des messieurs), and they will be established as judges over your sons; they will govern your city and they will buy your field, for the universal conscience gives them expressly all these rights. As for you, peasant, if you meet with your friends and long for the time when one saw only local boys at the city fair, know that you are opposing the universal conscience and that the law does not protect you against that.”
For such, in truth, is the condition of man after the demotion of fatherlands. One perforce supports regimes that make cities wide open to strangers. One demands that these foreigners receive the same rights as the inhabitants of the country, and one condemns solemnly every attempt at discrimination. Then, one recognizes as legitimate only one manner of deliberation: that which is purely numerical. Under this system, what city will not be, in a given time, overcome by a peaceful conquest, swamped by an occupying army without uniforms and [248] offered finally to the reign of foreigners?
The end result is thus attained. National differences will be little by little annihilated. International law will establish itself so much better than native law that the latter will no more have defenders. The national administrations which we were just describing take on in this perspective their true meaning: the States will be no more than administrative districts of a single Empire. And, from one end of the world to the other, in perfectly similar cities (since they will have been rebuilt after bombardments), there will live under similar laws a bastard population, a race of indefinable and gloomy slaves, without genius, without instinct, without voice. Dehydrated man will reign in a hygienic world. Immense bazaars echoing the sounds of record-players will symbolize this race of men of equal worth (à prix unique). Rolling sidewalks will run alongside the streets. They will transport every morning to their slave work the long line of the men without faces, and they will bring them back in the evening. And this will be the promised land. They will not know anymore, these users of the rolling sidewalks, that there was formerly a human condition. They [249] will not know what were our cities, when they were our cities: no more than we can imagine what was Ghent or Bruges at the time of the aldermen. They will be astonished that the earth was beautiful and that we loved it passionately. For them, the universal conscience, clean, theoretical and die-cut in disks, will illuminate their skies. But this will be the Promised Land.
Put enough people into a room to write about the future, a few are going to get it right.
A land where the worst of all trees grew, the cross, has nothing to promise.
Break out the vaseline.
"unelected European bureaucrats"
Bureacrats are unelected by definition, Tyler.
File under "Great Oxymorons in History"
Not really, but the anti-EU rhetoric, or dare I say propaganda ?, is getting a bit under the skin.
Ghordius, where art thou ? :-)
In the next few days, we should expect a high pressure on the Greek MPs who declared that they will vote against any candidate for the presidential election, in a desperate last effort by the current government to find the desirable number of the 180 MPs and avoid national elections. This will allow Samaras' coalition to stay in power by 2016 and finish the experiment according to the schedule. Otherwise, we should expect another wave of unprecedented propaganda by the banking-media dictatorship in Greece, until the date of the national elections, so that to change some voters' minds to vote for "stability". http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/12/europe-get-ready-for-war.html
Is Greece going to default?
Impossible, Draghi has done his homework!
Is ISDA going to admit any form of "credit event", ever?! There you have it ...
How is a revolution in Greece going to negatively affect the Bankers?
None of the bankers screwing over Greece live there. They could kill some regional manager, who no one ever heard of. Wow.
The banks have had 6 years to limit there exposure to a default on Greek bonds. Even if the bankers have totally failed to take those steps and their bank goes bust, the EU or FED will loan them the money to keep the same people in power. So DB goes "bust" and gets a FED/EU loan nothing changes - same CEO, Chairmand, Directors.
The Greek economy is just too small to make a difference.
"The banks have had 6 years to limit there exposure to a default on Greek bonds."
LOL, they spent the last few years buying them hand over fist!
Which is why they'll never default. Unless, of course, that's the plan. So no matter what, default or not, it's all good.
They only need to bribe another 12 politicians to win the vote - at €4M a piece that is less than €50M in total. Small change.
J
Misinterpretation.
"It's not a question of what's good for me or New Democracy."
...where "New Democracy" (NEA DEMOKRATIA) is Samaras' political party.
So, actually he said
"It's not a question of what's good for me or my political party".
That's the usual standard set of phrases before elections.
"*SNAP ELECTIONS WILL THROW GREECE INTO TURMOIL, SAMARAS SAYS (and the ECB)"
and Greece isn't already in turmoil? as others have mentioned - highly unlikely the 180 vote isn't obtained - but I expect that the current turmoil (for the people of Greece - not tptb) is what led to the first two failed votes and could lead to a third.
we can only hope.
remember reading an interesting piece some time ago about how the Greeks could leave the euro and immediately make the dollar their currency and while messed up, sounded like it
could work.
He needs to pick up something like 12 votes to win the final round.
Wonder what the price will be for those sell-outs...
(oops, julian_n beat me to it)
< Greeks will take it like 'men' in 2015
< Greeks will revolt in 2015
Yamas, bitchez!
The Greeks have oscillated between nazi collaboration and soviet adoration for most of the past 100 years. Let the Turks eat out their hearts.
I am really sorry about the journalists but the rest of your article is a disgrace.
The same polls tha show Syriza as the leading force show that more than half of the participants DONT want an early election, most likely because they understand that it will hurt the economy ( I wish we had the structure in Greece to live without goverment for a year but this is not applicable) and they dont trust Syriza, as they understand that they will probably have to do a u-turn, and even if they didn't, they cant fund their program.
Do you respect this democracy?
Also, take note that the guys now voting no for president is Koyvelis, the party leader of DIMAR, a party that was supporting a responsible leftish side and who has been destroyed in the polls after he left the three party coalition goverment, and a populist right party, who most likely staged a tv show with an unknown guy trying to bribe one of their MPs, who happens to be a comedian. Eh not forget that the guy who brought the video to the authorities is another comedian, who tampered with it officially. The populist right party wont enter the parliament as well. Both of those party leaders envy a position in SYRIZA election lists, and they most likely sell their own MPs for it.
I dont like the current coalition party, because they are indeed populist, have pushed excessive taxation and stalled all reforms. And they are indeed some promising parties, like POTAMI. Mind that those guys dont support elections. There should be a common consensus in Greece, based on the fact that we need more reforms, that the economy is still very weak and macros only start to show in regular life, while we need a hard stance to push for debt reduction, because it is simply impossible to reduce it differently. We desperately a common ground, respect the fact that goverments get four years dont have a mess which wil only result in our bargaining position getting weaker. But unfortunatelly this needs serious politicians, which are present in other PIIGS but not in Greece.
Also is Sweden democratic to you?
Greece needs to default on these illusionary loans, to wreck your bosses.
I hope you choke on your payment from your masters, you crude .gov trol.
Try having an argument for gods sake. And who do you believe that this default would hurt? The other Euro states who have 80% of our debt? That choice was valid back in 2010, but it was burned by the incompetent goverment back then.
well, this article is not a highlight of ZH, that is for sure
title: "Greek Prime Minister: "It's Best For The Country" To Do Away With Democracy". This title implies he was talking about Democracy, not "NEW Democracy", a political party of this name
then the first phrase: "During a state-TV "interview" which many are dubbing pure fear-mongering propaganda ahead of Monday's final 'vote of confidence', Greek Prime Minister Samaras unleashes his most assanine M.A.D. comments yet."
what is "interview" about a state-TV interview? Greece has, like many nations in the EU, a state-TV. live with it, Greeks want it. Yes, politicians are allowed to talk there. so? in Europe we also forbid that kind of asinine, people-dumbing negative ad campaigns stuff that US voters are bombarded with. The guy is the PM and he gets TV time the same way FDR got radio air times. oldfashioned
oh, the reporters were not asking pointed questions? so? a lack of US-style confrontation? well, the Greeks have enough confrontation at the polls, where they can trash a party. I prefer a political system where a party can lose power forever at the polls to one where it's practically impossible, but this fact well hidden by pointed questions by reporters
and then
"It's not a question of what's good for me or New Democracy. It's best for the country that there are not snap elections."
"Translation: you don't need no stinking democracy, trust us - your benevolent rulers - to do what's best for the Greek people."
Seriously? We are not talking about elections, here. We are talking about additional elections because of the lack or not of a supermajority in Parliament for the appointment of a president
Cheap, simply cheap and populist. look at this "ignore the people's pleas and pain, vote for EU bureaucrats". sure
ZH's anti-EU and anti-EUR stance shown is such articles are just "anti-establishment", everywhere, regardless
Pissing in every soup, assuming every bowl of soup is at a party of the kind of people the movie's Tyler Durden despises
Hell Cuba can join us & Japan & China & Russia in oppressed economies... just like Greece.
Because we know there are fewer good jobs with good compensation, Open Borders drives down Wages, Open Borders creates a huge Black Market Labor Force, we know Capital is moving off shore and we have Decapitalized US Industries, we know that Free Trade isn't Free, isn't auditable, uses Slave Labor, and is part of what is ripping apart US Labor and making US into Debt Slaves.
- Capital Flight
- Brain Drain from US Industries
- Decapitalization
- Looting of our Big corporations
- Banking Monopolies
- Open Borders
- Off Shoring Corporate HQ, Off Shoring Production, Outsourcing, Free Trade Agreements that supersede US Laws
- CAFTA-DR, NAFTA
- TPP, Obama pushes with GOP for support this week
The Model is from Great Britain, Trade Model, this was used by Lords & Kings to get Rich from Cheap Overseas Goods from all around the Globe through Sea Trade Routes. So it is a Model of the Elites... and probably lead to lots of Crime in London where people were very poor 200 years ago and sent to Australia as Criminals.
greece has been violently taken over by foreign banks.... and the banks have no incentive to hide what they are doing because its all out in the open and all the young people of greece have abandoned ship.... leaving an old population of 80 something year olds to deal with it. . . who will pretty much sit there and do nothing as long as a social security check comes in the mail.
Greece is essentially being systematically destroyed from the inside by its own banking and government institutions, govt has prevented developement of infrastructure for decades, and now foreign banks are going to step in and strip the nation of all artistic resources, mineral rights, utility rights and the population will find itself homeless on their own land and in-debt to foreigners who want nothing but to kick them off their land and to build a strip mall on the beach for tourists.... and to sieze a few islands to park their yachts on.
Greece is being transformed into a vacation home for bankers, where they can systematically rape , pillage and plunder greece for their own pleasure.... the fathers will be selling their daughters in the streets to these satanic sadist thugs just for food....
Its very sad.
Who the hell cares about Greece? Mario Draghi will fix it. It's a no brainer. Schäuble has already agreed on it and Samaras knows it and couldn't care less. Move along!
Democracy without any sense of morality is never going to work.
America is leading the way here
I agree with Samaras that Greece should do away with democracy. Greece should instead have mob rule for a week where assholes like him who have sold their people to the lowest bidder can meet the fate met by Mussolini and others like him.
This asshole from what I understand once formed a breakaway party which cost his present party the elections.
The unfortunate part is that Greece has stood tall against every foreign invasion for over 2500 years and now its being destroyed by its own disgusting politicians just like Spain and dare I say the USA.
Either Syriza wins, or there won't be a Greece for the banksters to enslave...it could even slide into civil war. After all, Greeks have been there before. However, the ogre is desperate, and the mask of benign benevolence is slipping off to reveal the pus and rotting blood, and anything could happen including a domino effect across Europe's underclasses now heaving under the austerity burden.
The confidence vote is bought and paid for, not to worry, the can will be kicked. This is not the swan you are looking for.
Right! "The can shall be kicked" So let it be written - so let it be done!
Well if America can interfere in Ukraine, perhaps Russia can offer Greece really cheap gas and oil and $20 billion in cash in return for defaulting on its European slave masters.
Let's see what the EU looks like then.
Finally.
The first useful suggestion to solve Greece's problem.
Unfortunately, when Russia offered a similar deal to Ukraine, the US took over their Govt. via their puppets.
And that's not working out so well for anybody.
I'd be happy to try democracy in place for the plutocracy I've known for my whole life here in the US.
I agree.
Mob rule (aka Democracy) sucks ass.
Thought Goldman Sachs decided which technocrats ruled what countries, including the US.
I sincerely hope that 2015 is the year that some of these motherfuckers start getting deliveries of red roses right in their motherfucking face.
I'd love to make a post writhing with overwrought hyperbole but I think I'm a bit late to the party.
Samaras won't get 180 votes, there will be a snap election, but don't expect a major earthquake. Syriza is not an anti-EU party. Tsipras (the head of the party) talks about the Europe he wants (good luck with that). They think they can renegotiate the terms of the bailout. The idiotic EU leaders are frightened of Syriza because the party members won't be 100% under EU control and also because parties like Syriza are gaining strength in other countries. But they aren't going to pull Greece out of the EU (unfortunately for the Greeks) nor are they even threatening to do that (here they fail negotiating 101).
Give them some credit, at least they question the EU and the so called "austerity". Plus in a few years they will be joined by similar governments in Spain, Italy and Portugal . It's the begining of the road.
Long - rope.
Short - hope
Long walk - short roof ...
Get rid of democracy and let the hangings begin.
Will you be hanging folks as well, Bob, or merely watching?
Its obvious he wants to follow the American model.
I think he wants to pee on the Parthenon.
Some huge urge there!
Its time to recover the Elgin Marbles and declare Plato's ghost as new Hegemon.
Folks in the US and elsewhere need to turn away from the flawed system of democracy and embrace the Russian system of corruption and overt cronyism. Why? Because despite the flood of Russians emigrating to the United States, Russians truly do have it better. I know, I know...Russia does like to pretend it has some democratic features. But let's face it: what Vlad wants, Vlad gets, and the Duma can't do a darn thing about it.
Dictatorship can be a beautiful thing - as long as you have a beautiful leader! Vlad is that and so much more.
Would you like to build a company in Russia that makes widgets, but can't get the necessary permits? Talk to Vladimir!
Do you and other investors think you have what it takes to compete with the likes of Gazprom, Sberbank or Rosneft? That's great! Just know that, in the interest of the State, the Russian government will need to own a controlling share of your enterprise.
Want to compete with Vlad for his position? That's great too, but you'll need to complete a lengthy internship in one of his gulags.
Vladimir can teach us to work within the corrupt system he helped build. It's simply a matter of the right alliances and the correct hands greased!
Are you paid double-time for trolling at the weekend?
...just asking ;-)
Communism doesn't work and representative democracy doesn't work. What is actually needed is a Direct Democracy.
I'd prefer sortition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition
Only on a very local level could any form of democracy work.
If any form of government is needed,which I doubt highly, then it should be monarchy.
Direct Democracy: Yeahbut ...only with a strong written constitution as the supreme law. Else you'd get every loon and nanny nutter in the land pushing thru unimaginable new laws/regulations to turn the country into something that suits them.
When things become tough then we all have to lie...about democracy and about banks !
I'm afraid the Greeks will actually fall for it.
Ten years ago they were all riding donkeys in Greece, now they drive Porsches.... The problem with Greecs is that they live on somebody's elses money...and keep spending.
ha-ha. And Saudi went from "camels to cadillacs in 10 years".
Nothing much has changed in Greece since becoming an EU member. It has long found itself very uncomfortable with this fangled thing called "democracy". Left wingers are aplenty and they're always lurking in the shadows ready to seize power when the opportunity arises. Some call themselves socialists, others like Samaras, are publicly, Conservatives, but in truth they're all the same: criminal despots. It's the only way they can plunder public funds.
Reasons Greece will never fix itself:
1. Nepotism.
2. Taxation and collecting of same.
Squidocracy.
Democracy is two wolves and 1 sheep voting on what's for dinner. It is not the answer. Only a free voluntary society based on individual rights that can't be voted away and intepreted by the individuals and not the state is the only way to move forword. When the Global Sh#t Hits The Fan, You'd Better Have a Plan
http://newamerica-now.blogspot.com/2014/02/beyond-collapse.html