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China Bans Christmas And This Happens To Google Traffic

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Very quietly and under the radar, authorities in China have cracked down on Christmas celebrations in China, deeming them "Western spiritual pollution." As CNMNews reports, for several years, a virtual rush to convert to Christianity has been underway in China, both in its Protestant and Catholic versions. The Department of Education this year issued a directive to limit Christianity’s appeal to young people, banning Christmas events and celebrations in schools and kindergartens, deemed “kitsch” and “un-Chinese”. The crackdown has also been spreading to universities and colleges nationwide. The result is nowhere more evident than in Google's traffic in China...

 

 

As Asia News reports,

For several years, a virtual rush to convert to Christianity has been underway in China, both in its Protestant and Catholic versions.

 

According to some reports, some 3,000 people, mostly young people, were baptised on Christmas night, in Beijing alone.

 

In Wenzhou, the local Department of Education has issued a directive to limit Christianity's appeal to young people, banning Christmas events and celebrations in schools and kindergartens, deemed "kitsch" and "un-Chinese". The crackdown has also been spreading to universities and colleges nationwide.

 

Since China opened up to foreign trade, Christmas trees, Santa Clauses, greeting cards and even crèches have spread widely. Although 25 December is a working day, thousands of young non-Christians attend church services in order to understand what Christmas is about. Eventually, many of them eventually sign up for the catechumenate and being baptised.

 

According to a survey conducted a few years ago at universities in Beijing and Shanghai, at least 60 per cent of young people are interested in learning about Christianity.

 

The directive issued by Wenzhou authorities is part of a wider pattern, which includes a campaign to tear down crosses and religious buildings launched in Zhejiang by the local party secretary whose primary purpose is to reduce the influence of Christianity in society, deemed "Western spiritual pollution."

 

Ironically, Zhejiang - in particular the city of Yiwu - lives off Christmas. About 60 per cent of all Christmas decorations sold in the world are manufactured in the province.

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Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:34 | 5599958 FieldingMellish
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Nothing better for popularity than a ban.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:35 | 5599962 Truther
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Is it payback time for google?

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:38 | 5599980 stacking12321
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good for china!

they are right, the commercial "celebration" of christmas in the america is indeed "Western spiritual pollution.".

they are only banning foolishness - the tao that can be banned is not the true tao.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:46 | 5599991 Omen IV
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American NGO's are termite colonies designed to eat away and undermine the established order everywhere they are introduced - Russia / Hong Kong / China / Venezuela / Argentina - etc etc  - christianity is just one way of destroying chinese culture set up by the USAID propaganda system

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:55 | 5600026 suteibu
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Christian ministries were key elements of the British opium trade in China.  The Chinese know their own history.

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 08:51 | 5601066 Latina Lover
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Good move by the Chinese government.   Politicized Christianity is the trojan horse used by the USSA to undermine a  foreign society.  The Chinese still remember how the early Christian missionaries set them up for the Opium wars, and control by Britain.

Were I Chinese, I wouldn’t trust the foreign devils either. 

Their next move should be to register all non Chinese NGO's as foreign, and then strangle them.

 

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot

 

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 10:08 | 5601242 Oh regional Indian
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Excellent points all the way.

India has seen the same approach since the 1600 (India was Francis of Assisi's first stop, 2 years or less after the foundation of the JEsuit order).

Assholes like our very own Chinned it 13 continue to come and pollute us to this very day. He is a christian missionary asshole for those not aware of the same.

I've offered to meet him in India on various ocassions, but he is not too keen for some reason.

This is when he is not being nefarious in Mayanmar.

It's the old Papal ruse of the Red Cross society...

Bastids...

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 09:24 | 5601130 Dakota Kid
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The second opium war ended in 1860. When was the last time you saw Christian churches pushing opium? The KKK was formed in 1866 and was the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party. Should we ban all Democrats too?

http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYKKK...

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:56 | 5600030 3.7.77
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"Western spiritual pollution."

But more than happy to flood our country with their trinkets.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:57 | 5600036 suteibu
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They are only making the stuff, Americans are the volunteer buyers.  No need to trash China for it.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:06 | 5600069 kridkrid
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Beat me to it. My only partial issue here is the "ban". It doesn't jive with my anarchist tendencies. The practical challenges of reality.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:12 | 5600082 suteibu
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Read my earlier comment.  Christians weren't very Christian-like in China.  They used their faith to spread the opium trade and destroy the nation.  Why would China, communist or not, allow them free reign again.  Would you? 

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:19 | 5600098 Luckhasit
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They needed some way to get their silver back and them some.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:27 | 5600126 nmewn
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I think you're confusing Christianity with government and corporate interests.

But hey, communists tried to supplant all (and any) religion with the state or its corporations and thats always worked out swell...lol.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:47 | 5600197 suteibu
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I am not confused about anything.  To be sure, the missionaries were working with the government.  Still, from the Chinese perspective, those Christian missionaries were key conduits for the opium trade.  How is the average faithful to know that the message given by the priest, representing the concept of spiritual good, was part of the government agenda to destroy the nation?

Whatever the reason, Christianity had its chance in China and failed horribly.  Claims of religious freedom by the West ring rather hollow after that chapter of Western colonialism.  Don't forget, America moved to Asia based on its own political/religious Manifest Destiny beliefs. 

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 21:02 | 5600250 DeadFred
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LOL Christianity is growing so quickly in China it will soon have more Christians than America or Europe. Whatever did or did not happen a hundred years ago is irrelevant now. Agree with it or not the Communists created a spiritual vacuum that is now being filled. It will be interesting to see what comes of mixing a West Asian religion with an East Asian mind set.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 22:38 | 5600484 suteibu
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Good for them.  Perhaps when there are enough of them. they will change the government. 

But what you say shows that the government is actually quite tolerant of religious beliefs and even the practice of it.  What they do not want are what we have in the West, regions with lots of power and money.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 21:06 | 5600266 nmewn
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"Still, from the Chinese perspective, those Christian missionaries were key conduits for the opium trade."

But what entities put that perspective in their heads and who used the missionaries to profit financially is the real question, it was one and the same as far as I'm concerned.

"How is the average faithful to know that the message given by the priest, representing the concept of spiritual good, was part of the government agenda to destroy the nation?"

Simply by reading my above, if they're allowed to by those state-entities.

Real Christians aren't interested in worldly power or profits at the expense of human suffering, thats what governments and corporations are for ;-)

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 22:14 | 5600433 suteibu
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With all due respect, religions are huge corporations, at least from the money that flows to them and the political power they wield.  Aside from that, Christianity is not what Jesus taught.  Nor is Buddhism what Buddha taught.  Both insisted that the link between man and God (or nirvana) were personal quests, not something managed by priests or elders or popes or lamas.  However, rather than follow their words and acts, someone decided the opportunity was ripe to create a whole new bureaucracy (New and Improved) and placed that bureaucracy between man and God.  Not to mention sucking tons of money from people.

I would agree that there are "real" Christians in the world who are like you say.  But, you are not likely to meet one in a church because, if they are in church, they have missed the message altogether.

 

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 22:54 | 5600520 nmewn
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"Both insisted that the link between man and God (or nirvana) were personal quests, not something managed by priests or elders or popes or lamas."

Plus one, quite right, thats one of the reasons why the Protestant practice was formed, Martin Luther ushering it in. At the risk of offending my Catholic friends on this subject, we don't pray through idols (like Mary) or saints, even understanding the good works they did. We have never believed that the word of God should be hidden or interpreted by "a priest" for us.

Which is another thing Martin Luther should be commended for, if nothing else than as a man seeking to distribute the unfiltered truth. People of sound mind can read it for their self now, instead of knowing Latin and make a judgement on the words.

Christian's come in many forms and God knows I'm no saint cursing the way I do sometimes (and for what I've done or may do in the future) but it doesn't (and shouldn't) stop others from finding a different path, their own path, as it encompasses free will.  

No one is being forced into anything, its presented as what it is, take it or leave it but no one can argue its evil by design, only how others have manipulated it.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 23:06 | 5600542 suteibu
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Martin Luther...great man.  And yet he has is own denomination named after him, with similar structures to other religions and denominations.  Seriously, I have studied religiously to find where either Jesus or Buddha asked his followers to build expensive cathedrals and temples and top-heavy bureaucracies in their names.  

Of course, it is your own business what and how you believe.  But there is no religion with the moral authority - and certainly not the authority from God - to claim it is the one and only true way to everlasting life. 

At best, you might feel better about yourself.  I will grant that religion might have social and personal benefits.  They have nothing to do with God.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 23:46 | 5600638 nmewn
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I don't think I ever said Jesus asked people to build bureaucracies or churches to enrich themselves. I have no idea where that came from.

Its presented as it is and He was, on the side of the road, in the fields, dying beside common criminals, with and for the people. If that escapes you its no fault of mine.

And as an aside (to complete this circle of thought, which will "go there" at some point) I can never forgive what the Jews in high places did to Him, as a man or a Christian. However it is not for me to do this anyways (forgiveness) as He was sent here for one specific purpose, for me and us.

Knowing that, I cannot persecute them (as a race) for it, I simply can never forgive the elders who did it, two very different things.

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 00:25 | 5600693 suteibu
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You are correct, you have not made that claim.  I do not think I attributed it to you personally. 

However, the various religions based on Jesus' teachings, some more than others, stand as a testimony to the departure from the lessons of Jesus. Ostensibly created to aid the believer in finding God, they have seized control of the process.

As for forgiveness, it is not for God or Jesus that you should forgive, but for your own salvation.  Buddha spoke the same lessons about such things.  You damage your own spirit by holding grudges.  Or, in the slang of today's world, those elders, long dead, are living rent free inside your head.  I would add, with a firm grip on your soul.  Jesus forgave them, who are we that we do not?

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 07:44 | 5600971 nmewn
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Wise words suteibu.

But I'm not that guy. I have personlly forgiven many people for many things whether they asked for it or not but forgiving the intentional aiding & abetting of evil I can never do, past or present. Evil has never been stopped in this world by prayer or chanting or zen, its always taken men making a stand. As I say, I'm no saint.

So say a prayer for me if you wish, in the end I'll be judged by Him and thats all that matters.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:50 | 5600210 Rikky
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quite true nmewn.  you want to read about a guy that was literally tortured for Christ during the communist regime in Romania?

 

http://torturedforchrist.com/

 

 

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 23:25 | 5600586 nmewn
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Yes, "the opiate of the masses"...the communists are trying very hard (and always have) to replace that "opiate" (as they called it) with socialist-state methadone...or sumpin...lol.

And even in this, they reveal themselves as to the true nature of their character. Replace this...with that...and social order, equality for all and goodwill toward men is assured, its social justice!!!

Along with the Top Dogs of Communism getting their fine houses on the lake, state pension plans, round the clock sand security etc. ad nauseum...lol.

Well then and here I thought this was all about spirituality and sharing the wealth ;-)

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 00:27 | 5600697 Luckhasit
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I hear ya.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 21:32 | 5600331 Jeepers Creepers
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So you're saying the crack down is because they're afraid Opium is going to make a comeback with all the new Christian converts?

 

What a stupid comment.

 

Methinks you just have a chip on your shoulder regarding Christianity and you'll use any dumb reason to support a tyranical government suppressing it.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 22:19 | 5600440 suteibu
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I consider myself a Christian.  However, I also believe that there are reasons for many things that people do that you might not like.  Quite frankly, it is none of your business what they do.  I think you would say the same if they told you what to do.  The Asian mind in different from the Western mind, for good or bad.  You can not judge them because they do not think in a way that you approve. 

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 22:44 | 5600501 suteibu
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Yes, that is a stupid comment.  You are the only one who made it. 

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 01:44 | 5600763 fleur de lis
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Suteibu, you need to read up on the Russell Company, Skull and Bones, FDR, and Herbert Hoover. 

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 03:10 | 5600830 suteibu
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I have read about them.  Can you be more specific as regards this topic?

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 00:44 | 5600714 So It Goes
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Probably Chinese joos!!

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:01 | 5600050 kridkrid
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You blame them for that? Misplaced.

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 01:56 | 5600777 Crash Overide
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Made in China...

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:03 | 5600053 Sub MOA
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USAID ahhh more fucking jewery ohh the irony anyone ever seen a jewish chinaman ???  Ofcourse not but you can spot their little yellow stooges ;)

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 01:58 | 5600778 panicearly
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The Soul Hunters 

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/february/38.51.html

The Soul Hunters of Central Asia The most Baptist state in the world—Nagaland—is vying to become a powerhouse for cross-cultural missions
Sun, 12/28/2014 - 22:18 | 5600438 sun tzu
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What about their singles day commercial celebration crap encouraging single people to buy cheap crap trinkets from Alibaba?

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 22:48 | 5600505 847328_3527
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That's different; that's a Party-endorsed event.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:35 | 5599968 willwork4food
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We should ban things here too.

Like Joozs procrating in the halls of Congress.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:39 | 5599984 Truther
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Let's ban their pension funds first. That'll be a killer.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 21:51 | 5600378 nmewn
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Seconded.

Christian, Jew, Hindi, agnostic-athesit-humanist...ALL OF THEM...for willful, fiscal incompetence, graft & corruption on a Romanistic scale leading to the dependence of the people on the state for their basic needs, ultimately leading to the Republics destruction.

Hearing no objections, the motion carries ;-)

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 22:09 | 5600425 rejected
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Set their payroll at the mean household income and required to buy obama-care.

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 11:38 | 5601505 XitSam
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Ban the procrates!

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:26 | 5600119 TrustbutVerify
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But...Freedom is slowly being banned and no one cares. Oddly, many are, in their own way, cheering it.  What gives? 

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 06:24 | 5600924 Refuse-Resist
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Yes.  You see, we have to give  up our freedoms because they hate us for our freedom.

 

Only the 'they' is a lot closer to home than most Americans would believe.

 

It lives in every government office, from the local town hall to the big shithouse in DC.

 

In other news, the chocolate ration will be increased from 30 grams to 20 grams this month!

Thank you dear leader!

 

 

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 22:52 | 5600519 tplink
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my neighbor's step-mother makes $68 hourly on the laptop . She has been out of work for 10 months but last month her pay check was $15196 just working on the laptop for a few hours. try here... www.works3.com

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:35 | 5599960 Hulk
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Oh Horry night

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:34 | 5599963 TeamDepends
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All your spirit are belong to us.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:44 | 5599987 Truther
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China: All your gold, real estate, and Fed belongs to us. Take your green back toilet paper and  think how you can best use it,

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:36 | 5599965 Truther
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Sum ting wong google?

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:36 | 5599967 A Lunatic
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Christmas is more evil than evil dictatorships..........??

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:38 | 5599975 knukles
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To the statists, yes, of course.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:37 | 5599969 Lumberjack
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Did they ban any other holiday related to this time frame?

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:38 | 5599982 knukles
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They tried to ban Kwanza, but relented when Al Sharpton threatened a Bazillion Man March into Peking from the South Bronx and Ferguson, amongst other locales.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:19 | 5600101 Luckhasit
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Can you be jewish AND chinese?

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:41 | 5600179 WmMcK
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And love Levy's rye bread?

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 23:03 | 5600538 ebear
Mon, 12/29/2014 - 00:09 | 5600677 Luckhasit
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Then Hannuka is not safe!

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 09:09 | 5601095 conscious being
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If you want to be a star in a Thai movie, you have to first go to the chop shop and get a big nose installed. After that, your ability to advance will hinge on your ability to pose and present your enhanced probiscus while occasionally spouting some lines.

Something similar seems to be going on in many countries.

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 00:47 | 5600715 Barefooted_Tramp
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Let's all celebrate the Dragon Festival in Merica...

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 00:50 | 5600716 Barefooted_Tramp
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Dbl

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:37 | 5599971 joego1
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What a bunch of dicks.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:44 | 5599989 Truther
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These dicks are goldplated now.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:37 | 5599973 knukles
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Well shitter me timbers, maties.
Y'all remember what happened when China told every ISP and search engine that they all had to comply with China's laws regarding censorship?
SecState Clinton w/i 1 hour (uno hora, folks) was jumping all over the Chinee for screwing over Google.  Nobody else.  Just Google.  (read NSA, btw, for you lesser initiated) so whatchu think we're gonna hear about this time?

Don't fuck with Google, kiddies.

What would happen if the electronic social media convinced you to personally post everything about yourself online for easy access?
Du-fucking-H
Oh gosh, Knuks, that'd never happen.  You silly Conspiracy Theorist, you!

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:00 | 5600047 Uber Vandal
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.....One Ring to Rule them All......

.....One Ring to FIND THEM........

.....One Ring to Bring them All......

......And in the Darkness Bind them.....

Sounds vaugely familiar.

Perhaps the name should be gOgle with the O being the All Seeing Eye of Sauron......

 

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:07 | 5600070 ebworthen
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Or FaceboOOk, the binocular eyes of local, state, federal, and N.S.A. 4th amendment rapers.

People on there disclosing every friggin' thing about themselves; juvenile narcissism and the police state in wedded bliss.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:18 | 5600094 Sub MOA
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facebook I always refer to it as facefuck to its admiring users LOL really pisses them off no clue why.  Maybe since I always point out that their fakebook freinds are loosers too

 

Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don’t need.

We’re the middle children of history, man.

No purpose or place.

We have no Great War. No Great Depression.

Our Great War’s a spiritual war…our Great Depression is our lives.

We’ve all been raised on television (facebook) to believe that one day we’d all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars.

But we won’t. And we’re slowly learning that fact. And we’re very, very pissed off.

 

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 09:16 | 5601109 conscious being
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Dude, screw this "middle children of history" crap. Find your own purpose and place in life. Mysteries abound. Your path is your own unique journey. Don't get sucked into somebody else's statist narrative.

Happy trails to you.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:37 | 5600162 Uber Vandal
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Yes, spooks never had it easier, when people who have those accounts are posting where they are, where they have been, who thier friends are, what the lay out of their home is, where they work, where they are going on vacation, what their phone number is, where they went to school, who their significant other is, where thier kids go to school. their various views are, etc.

As Foamy the squirrel said, it never hurts to think like a serial killer every once in a while......

Start at 1:00

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 02:48 | 5600808 Ginsengbull
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You seem to be under the impression that people are basically honest.

 

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 23:26 | 5600593 css1971
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You really think it's an accident that Google is Go Ogle? ... Please. It was the owners taking the piss.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 22:00 | 5600416 rejected
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Seen those 'personal' questions many corporate sites are asking.... for security of course?

What was your grandmothers maiden name?

What was your first job?

Whats the first name of your domestic partner?

and so on...

You'd never get people to tell you this information on a census questionaire but as security questions on a POS internet site, no problem. Strangely enough I find this mainly on medical sites.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:40 | 5599981 Tasty Sandwich
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Gather your family around and tell them all the ways they have disappointed you over the past year.

It's Festivus for the rest of us!

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:44 | 5599990 GVB
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As long as they don't mess with Western Gold, they can say/do whatever they want.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:46 | 5599994 NoWayJose
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Chinese see that there is no need for fat guys in red suits to bring gifts - Central Bankers are easier to believe in and they bring MOAR gifts!

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:46 | 5599999 reader2010
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Confucius was born on 12/24. That's why.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:41 | 5600174 WmMcK
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But Christ was born in March ...

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:48 | 5600204 22winmag
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Allegedly... and when you study pre-Christian religions and find out that Christianity is an amalgamation and/or outright copy of previous religions, one has to wonder.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 21:23 | 5600303 freak of nature
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Be careful of listening to smoothly produced lies like Zeitgeist. The first part of that "documentary" is patently false. No self respecting historian listens to the singlular source of Acharya S.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 23:25 | 5600585 css1971
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Oh please. We live in "The Matrix" of lies. Almost everything that people are taught to believe unquestioningly from childhood is smoothly produced lies.

Christianity -> Lies.

Judaeism -> Lies.

Muslim -> Lies.

Money -> Lies.

Economy -> Lies.

Politics -> Lies.

Democracy -> Lies.

The media -> Lies.

 

You are lied to and lied to and lied to from the day you are born by everyone who wants to influence your behaviour to their benefit.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 23:09 | 5600553 css1971
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I think you mean Judaeism. Christianity is just judaeism + christ.

Judaeism is based on the Canaanite pantheon of gods. The primary one being "El". Hence IsraEl. Yahweh is just another name for El.

Remember the israelites worshipping the bull? That was Baal. Baal was El's son.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 23:40 | 5600619 Rikky
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christianity (that includes old and new testament accounts) is so far beyond your simple explanation i'm not sure where to start.  jesus fulfilled over 350 prophecies given by God's chosen prophets alone and some were written 700 and 800 years before he was born.  what's great about the Bible and unique is its self-authenticating.  that is if a prophet made a prophecy and it didn't come true than you know he was false.  read up on it sometime you may learn something.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:48 | 5600006 Wahooo
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No frosted sugar cookies? WTF.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:48 | 5600011 q99x2
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Chinese are the most successful people in the world. God's chosen race.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 19:55 | 5600033 ebworthen
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"Western spiritual pollution..." but the Chinese are producing 99% of the Christmas trees and decorations sold in the U.S.

"Make it day and night for shit wages, just don't talk about it!"

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:18 | 5600099 Moccasin
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Easy money making trinkets for "other people". I am sure they talk about it and laugh all the way to the bank.

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 02:41 | 5600802 Ginsengbull
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The trinkets have introduced the idea of Christ Mass to a pagan nation.

 

First they make them, then they ask what they are for, then they take up and read the Sacred Scriptures.

 

Soon it becomes apparent how empty and meaningless life is in a totalitarian or communist state.

 

Rome fell less than 300 years after the introduction of Christianity.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:02 | 5600057 noben
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If they ban Christian concepts, events and holidays, then maybe they should also ban Yiddish words like "Kitsch".

And Yiddish bankers, who are "polluting" China's monetary and financial integrity.  Unless GS Squids are now so deep with them, that only Christianity is banned.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:07 | 5600068 Seasmoke
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But are they still making menorahs ??

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:10 | 5600078 Seasmoke
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This the season to be rolly. Raa Raa Raa Raa Raa ....Raa Raa Raa Raa.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:22 | 5600109 Thunderbox
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It's just that the duck is smiling back at me

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:16 | 5600090 Moccasin
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Western spiritual pollution, lol. Yes it is.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:22 | 5600103 sandman.s
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Fuck Christmas.  People turned a beautiful holiday into some mindless bullshit holiday. Fuck Christmas 

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:28 | 5600127 Sub MOA
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Fuck holidays period I'm sick of the tripe if ya can't act respectfully to others all year then who needs the fakery of a "holiday"  Tis all BULLSHIT and LIES twisted in tinsel and shiny paper wrappings just more disguised hypocracy and dis-ingenious smiles.  peace on earth and goodwill towards men... when did this ever happen nice fairy tale blah blah blah

/rant

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:52 | 5600223 Ward no. 6
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and to think this shit will go on and on never ending

centuries...

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:29 | 5600134 Hans117
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Are you referring to the consumerism of Christmas? In that regard I still find it beautiful because that’s the engine of our economic system. However, I do think a lot of people have lost the meaning due in part to the obsession of consumerism. There just needs to be a balance between recognizing the holiday for what it is and what it’s intended to mean and the consumerism element of it.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:57 | 5600239 shovelhead
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I agree. You gotta toss in a little deer hunting to get to the true meaning of Christmas.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 22:46 | 5600502 css1971
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Christmas is just Saturnalia renamed. And it's been this way since Roman times.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 23:14 | 5600564 ebear
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A lot of different cultures celebrate around this time of year.   It's the winter solstice - the point when days stop getting shorter and start getting longer again.  Something to celebrate IMO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice

 

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 02:34 | 5600798 Ginsengbull
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Only if you let them ruin it for you.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:31 | 5600141 NoWayJose
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It will be easier for China to do this in the near future - once they replace all their US-made networking equipment with Chinese-made equipment. Of course, we know that the higher morals of the NSA would never allow it to hack networks in foreign countries...

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 11:48 | 5601528 hootowl
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The U.S. Government has morphed into a dark, lawless, amoral, out-of-control, satanic entity, co-opted and controlled by shadowy, satanically-inspired, stateless, faux-Hebrew/Babylonian/Khazarian impresarios intent on persuing a tyrannical one-world government under the control of their own moneypower.

To try to compare any agency of this lawless, devolved, U.S. Government regime to anything resembling Christian morality is a false choice, based upon a false premise.

If you don't believe this to be so, you have a horrible surprise awaiting you and your family......soon.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:42 | 5600181 22winmag
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Better dead than Red.

 

These scum sucking, side of the road shitting, godless commies haven't got a moral leg to stand on.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:47 | 5600202 coast
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Like the USA is any different?

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:41 | 5600182 coast
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I dont understand this. I am trying to.  Religion, whether christianity, or catholic, or the other hundreds of religions were only made to control people.   DOnt get me wrong, I love Jesus, and I love His words, and I believe He is who He said He is.  But religion is nothing but control...SO maybe, China knows this, and realizes that the west can control them with religion, and that takes away from THEIR control!!  So basically, people are using religion to control people, and now they are fighting over who gets control..

 True words of Christ, show that we should not be controlled, and to know who we are thru His creation.  Once we get away from the controlling religions, and authorities that control people for their own benefit, get out of the matrix, our lives change to what the true universe created us for....

 Fuck religion,, fuck the banksters...Jesus went to the synagogues to teach.  WHy the synagogues?  Because He came for those who were sick...And the only time He got upset is when He turned over the tables and whipped the money changers..

 Get real people...

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 21:30 | 5600328 coast
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A long time ago, they controlled China people thru opium, now they are using religion too.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 23:25 | 5600591 coast
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4 ups and 3 downs...I did this to make a point.  Even though I spoke truth than can be researched, there are those that will hold to the lies...Its called cognitive dissidence...Now I know my experiment worked, that there is no hope because there are too many people that want to hold to the past, even though its obvious that the past is over, and tyranny is the future..

 I should have gotten dozens of thumbs up....its over people...buy some land, grow some food and lock and load.

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 07:50 | 5600984 Boxed Merlot
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my experiment worked, that there is no hope...

 

 

I think that's the point.  70 - 80 orbits and then we check out.  The message of the Bible is that no one receives injustice from the hand of God.  The wonder of it is why God would choose to show mercy to any one of us.  The life devoted to Christ is one that begins to view what's left of ones days realizing this.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 23:55 | 5600659 lakecity55
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The Jesus stuff in the Bible is so you only have to have a Bible or believe. I think that was his message. Any one can just read and will learn on their own. Priests came later and mucked up stuff.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:47 | 5600200 Rikky
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I wouldn't want to be those behind such blaspehmous actions on Judgement Day.  Jesuis said it would be better to go through life poking out your eye or cutting off your hand than have them cause you to sin and be thrown into the Lake of Fire.

 

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 21:00 | 5600249 shovelhead
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At least it's waterfront property.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 23:53 | 5600656 lakecity55
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With a Heluva View!

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 10:02 | 5601222 Rikky
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unfortunately the lake of fire won't be any such place one wants to spend forever.  it's described as a place of eternal, unspeakable agony.  pain without end, ever.  there will be no time just a conscious state of pain without end.  no thanks.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:55 | 5600228 teahouse
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IRONACALLY 100 % of gifts, toys, etc... is made in CHINA.

Not bad for a pollution holiday!!! 

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 20:55 | 5600234 blown income
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What's Fucked up is as I sit here and look around my cardboard box

 

Everything but food ,cleaning supply and personal hygiene items are Made In China

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 21:01 | 5600246 Infinite QE
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Yeah, I am certain they'd never ban hanukkah. Their overlords would not react well to that.

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 00:07 | 5600674 besnook
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that's actually an unspoken reason for some of the conflict with china. they refuse to buy the jewish victim story and are famously mocking of the negative jewish stereotype. the infamous sheldon adelson has had his issues and is now being investigated for corruption. wouldn't it be wonderful if china took care of a coupla zionutz to set an example.

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 09:27 | 5601133 conscious being
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How many millions of Chinese did Gehngis kill? Or Mao? Bet it was more than 6.

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 11:27 | 5601482 hootowl
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Educate yourself!  There are now more Christians in China than there are in the U.S.

That is why the communist Chinese government is reacting......Out of fear and desperation of losing their satanic control of the population.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 21:03 | 5600258 shovelhead
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Fuk you fukking Santa Craws.

You go home now.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 21:06 | 5600268 gwar5
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Won't get any violation of human rights rhetoric from the anti-Christian bigot muslimphiles in the WH.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 21:43 | 5600361 besnook
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i bet it is a hoot to read the chinese boards trashing western christians and the other abrahamics over their religious loonessence. the wacko west just can't resist the colonial religious traditions that are at the core of western resentment by the east. the japanese closed their doors to the west because of the missionaries the west insisted upon imposing upon the public only to have the west bomb the only city with any significant holey ghost believers in an ironic twist to end ww2. karma

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 21:47 | 5600372 smokescreen
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I am happy its christianity...jesus was surely a great presence in the world. He meant well but ended sadly. No matter how you stack it the human race to a large extent is a pile of broken promises tied together with a long string of lies. Although...as long as you get up each morning and open your eyes things could be worse??

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 23:45 | 5600636 Rikky
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Jesus didn't leave room for people to think he was just a good person or great teacher.  He was either the Son of God, a nutjob or a liar.  There are no other explanations if one wants to be honest with what he said.

http://www.existence-of-god.com/lord-liar-lunatic.html

 

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 02:43 | 5600807 Ginsengbull
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How is victory over death in any way sad?

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 07:46 | 5600976 Mi Naem
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I think He is seen as sad by all who think he was some guy that the Jews and Romans treated harshly. 

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 09:35 | 5601153 conscious being
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Jesus didn't die on the cross. The tomb was empty because he was revived and taken away. The Shroud of Turin is the real deal. Christianity is too important a control mechanism to let the truthget in the way.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=jesus+lived+in+india+by+holger+kersten+p...

 

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 09:59 | 5601214 Ginsengbull
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"None of Kersten's works have found any support in mainstream scholarship — either Biblical or Indologist. The noted German scholar of New Testament Apocrypha Wilhelm Schneemelcher, in a revision of his standard work prior to his death in 2003, and in unusually strong language for the scholarly community states that Kersten's work is based on "fantasy, untruth and ignorance (above all in the linguistic area)" and "has nothing to do with historical research."[17] Gerald O'Collins and Daniel Kendall view that "Kersten's discredited book" is simply the repackaging of Notovich and Ahmad's material for consumption by the general public.["

 

Wikipedia

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 20:25 | 5603319 conscious being
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GB - wikipedia?

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 10:05 | 5601229 Rikky
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so let me get this right.  you're going to believe and trust your eternity to some guy who wrote a book with supposed 'evidence' versus what God said through his prophets in the Bible which was written by 40 different authors over 2000 years that has a woven tapestry not even the greatest writers of all time could possibly concoct?  now that takes some faith!

 

http://carm.org/when-was-bible-written-and-who-wrote-it

 

 

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 20:37 | 5603354 conscious being
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The New Testement was put together by Emperor Justinian as a tool to serve the state 500 years after Christ. Certain gospels were excluded like the Gospel of Thomas because they did not serve Justinian's purpose. If you're satisfied with that kind of filter on the knowledge you are willing to consider then good for you. You are taking the ignorance is bliss approach so important to Christianity. Enjoy your dillusions.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 21:54 | 5600391 Billy Shears
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And I read recently that China sells about six-hundred million dollars worth of Christmas kitsch each year to the good ol' US of A.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 21:58 | 5600407 roddy6667
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Kudos to China. If you worship a 2000 year old Jewish zombie, want to eat his flesh and drink his blood, and await his returning from the dead, they want to have a word with you. No, you can't have any government job or be in any position of authority. No, you can't be a teacher and influence young minds.

Anybody with such a serious defect in critical thinking abilities needs to be watched closely.

The same rule applies to Muslims and Jews and pretty much any other destructive cult.

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 07:43 | 5600970 Mi Naem
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You cling too desparately to your faith in atheism, thereby showing the weakness of that faith. 

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 09:38 | 5601165 conscious being
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I don't see him claiming to be an aetheist. He's just not clinging go the same narrative that you cling to.

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 11:21 | 5601467 hootowl
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How confused do you have to be to believe that nobody created everything out of nothing?

Spare us your adolescent, nihilistic, nonsense.

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 23:41 | 5604013 roddy6667
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I just don't believe in fairy tales. Grow up. Be an adult.

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 08:34 | 5601040 headhunt
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Of course '666' I understand.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 02:24 | 5604313 Tapeworm
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The only way that 666 has any occult meaning is through the number system of the Arabs. 666 is completely without any meaning of the repetitive digits when considered as Arabic numerals. The nutjobs of Christianity that place so much emphasis upon the 666 do not recognize that they are working with a number system that was unknown and uninvented for many centuries.

 That is not to say that the historical Jesus did not exist and cranked out a very powerful and Good system of living that recognized their neighbors and coevalists as being Good too.

 It is one thing to believe the true value of the gospel and compare that to the  nature of the Old Tesatament that is wall to wall tales of killing anyone that came into contact with the utter savageness of the Jewish dogma.

 There are truly good people that live by the doctrine of Jesus.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 22:20 | 5600442 fishwharf
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I still thank God every day that I was raised as an athiest.  Religious people give me the creeps, and the more devout they are the creepier they are.

Imagine no religions.  It's easy if you try.

John Lennon

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 08:26 | 5601038 headhunt
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Sounds like Lennon is your god.

John Lennon turned into that crazy Yoko's bitch, she F'd him all up.

Great musician but as crazy as Chapman when he bit it.

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 10:39 | 5601340 conscious being
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Quantum physics shows that a single objective reality is an illusion and that consciousness in the form of the observer making observations is what constructs and drives existence. The contemplation of consciousness is a spiritual pursuit. Its arrogant and self-limiting to think otherwise. Too many beings are still stuck in the false Newtonian/Cartesian paradigm. Consider that the Vedas, conceived 4,000 years ago have a truer concept of existence than the Western world and Western science until the West caught up with Quantum Physics just over 100 years ago. This state of affairs has been depicted as western science, climbing the mountain of knowledge, reaching the top and finding the gurus sitting there waiting for them.

 

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 11:16 | 5601455 hootowl
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Twisted linguistic nihilism promulgating chaos and confusion.  You have fallen prey to the dark power in control of this world.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 22:41 | 5600490 css1971
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Why would you go to a church to understand what Christmas was about?

 

p.s. Come on, we've been polluted by all the Chinese spiritual claptrap over the last several decades. It's their turn now.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 23:24 | 5600584 bluskyes
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Christmas has nothing to do with real Christianity. Modern Christianity has no place for the teachings of Christ.

Sun, 12/28/2014 - 23:48 | 5600645 Rikky
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how true.  the neighbors on my left, the wife is sort of a hindu the husband doesn't even know what jesus did to get so much attention.  on my right the wife is a hindu the husband is from the phillipines and isn't a christian.  both have their christmas trees up all nice and decorated with presents from santa under the tree.  christmas has become secularized and commercialized to such an extent it no longer represents Jesus except to those who still look to him as their Lord and Savior.

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 11:13 | 5601445 hootowl
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bluskys.....You are hanging out with the wrong people.....in the wrong places.

You might want to consider broadening your intellectual and moral  horizons.

Mon, 12/29/2014 - 12:46 | 5601687 bluskyes
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