Civil Asset Forfeiture: The Final Stage Of Collapse Of Empire

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Submitted by Martin Armstrong via Armstrong Economics,

Only the Rich Can Afford to Keep Their Homes


Philadelphia prosecutors agreed last Thursday to halt efforts to seize the homes of two of the lead plaintiffs in a widely publicized federal suit challenging the city’s use of civil forfeiture laws in drug cases.

Philadelphia drops a Civil Asset Forfeiture case to prevent any court from ruling just seizing people’s property is unconstitutional. Phily.COM has reported the case of Christos Sourovelis and Doila Welch,who were both caught up in having their homes seized to pay police pensions when the police arrested a relative they claimed was dealing drugs on their properties. Today, you basically have to shun relatives and never pick up a hick-hiker in trouble for if they have any drugs, even marijuana, there goes your assets.

The prosecutors, only after these people has money for lawyers and the press got involved, moved for dismissal in Common Pleas Court. The prosecutor agreed to drop the cases against properties as long as both owners took “reasonable measures” to ensure no further drug crimes occurred there.

Here is the entire problem. Only the rich can win for it is your burden to fork-over huge legal fees. If you do not have the money for lawyers, there goes your property. This is what is desperately wrong in America. Any law passed becomes your burden to prove it is unconstitutional. They can actually pass the ancient right of kings under the Common Law since there is precedent known as Prima Noctum – first night. The governor, mayor, county freeholder, whoever, could “legally” claim the right to spend the first night in bed with any women getting married in their district. It would then become your burden to say – NO. That is uncivilized.

There is ABSOLUTELY nothing as it now stands for them to pass such a law. It is then the public’s burden to say no way and fight. This is seriously wrong within out legal system. This allows police to kill people randomly or to pull every person over on their way to work to see if they have all their identification. Whatever they do is OK because they do not FIRST have to go to some constitutional court and ask – is this law justified? Consequently, only the rich can defend the constitution. All others can pray – that’s about it.

This is the final stage of the collapse of the Roman Empire. When the state runs out of money, it historically attacks the people. In Rome, whole armies began sacking their own cities to get paid. The police are doing just that. Whatever they can confiscate goes to funding their own pensions. This is a national problem that will only get much worse going into 2020. We have NOBODY in Washington representing the people any more. It is all about them v the people. This is why we will see a rise in third-party activity for 2016.

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MisterX's picture
MisterX (not verified) Dec 28, 2014 11:18 AM

now this just seems like blatant propaganda to me:

The Merovingian's picture

Have you seen Braveheart?  If not, then watch it and come back when you've finished.  You will be better for it.

Publicus's picture

"It would seem that every 80 years america has had a major catastrophe.... starting with the american revolution ( about 1780 )... then the civil war ( about 1860 ) then wwii ( about 1940 )...  and now... we are here again....

every time worse... everytime much worse.... "

winchester's picture
winchester (not verified) Publicus Dec 28, 2014 12:21 PM

the hype of the possessing of the home... way much over estimated.

i prefer to  get solid  steel weaponry than wood house...

Stevious's picture

Uh, we see that you have many weapons stored at your house.  A normal citizen would, at the most, only have one.  Therefore we must assume that your stock of weapons indicate that you are involved in drug running, or something of similar nature.  Therefore we must seize your stock of weapons, your house, since you store them there, and your car which must have been used during acquisition.  Not to worry though, if you are, as you say simply a citizen guarding your house, you may sue to recover your items by filing a timely claim in Court, now move along please.



Side conversation:


"Hey Joe, listen to what goodies we can add to the, uh, "department collection"....."


. In all seriousness, today, one has to keep receipts of the acquisition of any cash, or cash equivalent items, be it gold/silver/guns/ammo/rare coins/stamps, etc.  Those receipts must be available at a minute's notice for you you get caught with more than a minimum of the above, you risk having them seized, on the spot.

macholatte's picture


Where's Jessie Sharpton when you really need him?


DJ Happy Ending's picture

"This is why we will see a rise in third-party activity for 2016."

I appreciate your optimism but I doubt 1 in 100 people are aware of this and think it is unconstitutional.

willwork4food's picture

"This is why we will see a rise in hanging activity for 2016."


Fixed for ya.

Keyser's picture

The US is well into the 7th and final stage of Empire... Prepare accordingly... 

Self-enslavement's picture
Self-enslavement (not verified) Keyser Dec 29, 2014 4:24 AM

The Chosenites and their cop thugs have turned America into a living fuckng nightmarish hell

Escrava Isaura's picture



“third-party activity for 2016”




What Americans need to understand, and start preparing for is when the “Petrodollar” collapses (2018), the price of oil and oil related products, gas, heating will become unaffordable.


All assets values will collapse


Layoffs will be on the millions


And this consumption oriented culture won’t be able to cope with, because they never saw it coming.


Antifaschistische's picture

yep...hey me your receipts?  That's what I thought, you must have stolen all that gold.

In Houston, the Police have decided to start enforcing "parking near fire hydrant" violations, which they haven't EVER enforced in this city.

...but, the greatest confiscation will come and is coming in the form of taxes.  When they double the property tax on your home, the resale value collapses...they won't care.  That is the confiscation to beware of.   Oh, so happy....look an asset didn't earn that, thank you very much......ITS GONE.

Abitdodgie's picture

If you have ANY type of "deed" to your house or property then you do not own it you just lease it and the county has total control over it , update your land patent and remove eniment domain. 

winchester's picture
winchester (not verified) Abitdodgie Dec 28, 2014 5:15 PM

guy, even owning a house, if you have no childs, when you dea,d cvountry get ground back,  possessing is a fucking vue d'esprit. it's all i say.

and when i say gun prior home, when you lease a home, with a gun, you have much less problem than  possessing a home without defending it.

New_Meat's picture

ya gotta' sleep sometimez

tarsubil's picture

WWII was a walk in the park compared to the Civil War. Russia, Germany, and Japan were the ones that bled in WWII. American propaganda misses the fact that the US didn't and entered the war very late.

bitterwolf's picture

True. The Civil War was just horrrible....what we inflicted upon ourselves.....for what again.....

rejected's picture

States sovereignty.     Edit: (The right of self determination)

The USG reigned supreme over the states after that boondoggle. Finished them off by replacing their militias with the federal national guard then eliminated their participation in the federal government with the 17th amendment. The period between the uncivil war and the beginning of WWI ended any resemblance of the founders republic.

Troll Magnet's picture

Yeah but..but..but..we freed the slaves! We freed the slaves from eeeeeevil white racists and Lincoln is like the greatest POTUS ever!

moonshadow's picture

wait...u call urself a troll magnet yet u ARE a troll. huh? ooh...u must be trying to attract MRS troll i get it now

BandGap's picture

The Revolutionary War heated up around 1775, the Civil War around 1856, WW2 around 1934 (think Japan)........we are at the 80 years now in terms of the turmoil preceding the explosion.

Rock and roll.

Stuck on Zero's picture

80 years is just enough time for generations to forget.

WmMcK's picture

The Native Americans live for the next 7 generations  - worth emulating.

83_vf_1100_c's picture

  Driven thru tribal lands lately. nothing much worth emulating?

WmMcK's picture

Yeah, genocide's a bitch, ain't it?

RafterManFMJ's picture

Hey fuckheads!! Football is on!! It's pretty sick in this most free nation in History, you nit pick and criticize every supposed mistake of the tireless sentinels just selflessly striving to keep you free!!

This weekend determines if your team progresses to the final endgame of the SupperBowl!! Put on a better mans shirt, with his name emblazoned on the back, adjust it to sorta hide your burgeoning beer gut and wonder why you cannot get laid!!

If your team wins, you do too! If not, you can drown your tears with cheap domestic beers, and dream of a good pick in the draft! How's your fantasy team doing you f'in retard?

Actually saw an advertisement for some fantasy football service, with some white douche bags fantasizing they were involved in a football game with their heroes and only the iron stomach developed by butchering thousands of meat animals prevented me bazooka puking my chips and salsa all over the rotund and gap-toothed hostess.

Hugh_Jorgan's picture

Yessir! Taxpayer subsidized cultural genocide if I ever saw it! Man should never be on a permanent dole. EVER. It utterly annihilates whatever flimsy bits of character he was born with. Proof? Check out poor black American urban communities and the Native Americans.

WOAR's picture

80 years is just enough time for the 4th turning, you mean.

History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.

Charming Anarchist's picture

Sounds like shitty rap now. 

Motorhead's picture

@ Publicus  - Yeah, sure, in terms of US soldiers, yea, perhaps, but wake me up when the US loses 20+ million people and lies in rubble.

Parrotile's picture

Detonation of "smaller" city-killer (countervalue) warheads over the top three US cities (NY, LA and Chicago) would take you over 3/4 way to your 20 million (based on 2013 census data). A single Russian Bulava MR SLBM (SS-N-30) can carry 6 (up to 10) such devices, so "just the one" SLBM could at least in theory very easily meet (and exceed) your "casualty target".

Which goes to show - just HOW crazy are the Pentagon / Whitehouse / Whitehall / NATO "Elite" in picking a war with Russia? It's almost as if they want global death and destruction (with significant population reduction . . . . oh, wait . .  ! !)

Parrotile's picture

Oops - slow ISP - Duplicate posting, "folks" ;-)

Dugald's picture


Yup worked well for Braveheart, he only got Hung, Drawn and Quartered!!

swmnguy's picture

"They said you was hung!"

"And they was right."

HardAssets's picture

Braveheart was killed, that's true.
But cowards must think they'll live forever.

Charming Anarchist's picture

I think the victory in that movie is Wallace knocking up the gay dauphin's wife. 

That is better than offing the ruddy rex. 

Savvy's picture

Braveheart was so historically innacurate I was mind boggled. What a load of excrement that movie was. I rate it below Disney's 'Pocahontas'. If you want to know the story, look up Nigel Tranter's 'The Wallace'


Braveheart is garbage.

breadonwaters's picture

YUP!  Nigel Tranter excelled in that one....mind you, he probably added some juice to the story....but a damn good read.  Don't expect anything from Hollywood ......for example , the cia saved the Iranian hostages, right?


Its a big club and we aren't in it!

fuck_wad's picture

The best movie featuring Hollywood's favourite ranter is 'Tropic Thunder'.

Never go full retard man.

Sirius Wonderblast's picture

Please please please do not cite that piece of crap as any kind of reference. It bears minimal resemblance beyond the names of the characters to the truth and to suugest it as some sort of beacon is dangerously misty eyed wrongheadedness.

ebworthen's picture

Jus primae noctis (law of the first night) or droit du seigneur (the lord's right).

Martin needs a proofreader, but he is right about the direction of the trend in the New Rome.

August's picture

Martin needs a proof-reader, but Tyler needs to cultivate writers who produce text worth reading.

Martin is capable of writing interesting stuff, but the above re-hash sure doesn't qualify.  Hopefully, Martin and Tyler are publishing this shit on a pro bono basis;  if actual money is changing hands, somebody is getting ripped off.

Come to think of it, if I can't tell who the patsy is, it's me.

Bollixed's picture

This comes straight off Martin's feed. Nothing changes hands. ZH is an aggregator, and for my money a good one.

And Martin absolutely needs to hire a proof-reader.

SubjectivObject's picture

Proof thinker, maybe.

Who sees, or has heard, an intrisic relationship between asset forfeiture and any third party movement.  Seems only a lame closing.

Hawkey Schtick's picture

When it's all said and done no one at any level will be able to claim ignorance. But when it gets to the point of rebalancing that most if not all ZHers are expecting, folks just ain't gonna give up the phyzz. Civil will be thrown out the door, and assets will not be able to be forfeited without extreme force.

You can't stop natural justice, all you can do is chose what side you're on.

p00k1e's picture

‘give up the phyzz’

You won’t.  Your wife will after she witnesses your teeth getting smashed on the curb in front of your house…. after that your neighbors will too. 

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