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Civil Asset Forfeiture: The Final Stage Of Collapse Of Empire
Submitted by Martin Armstrong via Armstrong Economics,
Only the Rich Can Afford to Keep Their Homes
Philadelphia prosecutors agreed last Thursday to halt efforts to seize the homes of two of the lead plaintiffs in a widely publicized federal suit challenging the city’s use of civil forfeiture laws in drug cases.
Philadelphia drops a Civil Asset Forfeiture case to prevent any court from ruling just seizing people’s property is unconstitutional. Phily.COM has reported the case of Christos Sourovelis and Doila Welch,who were both caught up in having their homes seized to pay police pensions when the police arrested a relative they claimed was dealing drugs on their properties. Today, you basically have to shun relatives and never pick up a hick-hiker in trouble for if they have any drugs, even marijuana, there goes your assets.
The prosecutors, only after these people has money for lawyers and the press got involved, moved for dismissal in Common Pleas Court. The prosecutor agreed to drop the cases against properties as long as both owners took “reasonable measures” to ensure no further drug crimes occurred there.
Here is the entire problem. Only the rich can win for it is your burden to fork-over huge legal fees. If you do not have the money for lawyers, there goes your property. This is what is desperately wrong in America. Any law passed becomes your burden to prove it is unconstitutional. They can actually pass the ancient right of kings under the Common Law since there is precedent known as Prima Noctum – first night. The governor, mayor, county freeholder, whoever, could “legally” claim the right to spend the first night in bed with any women getting married in their district. It would then become your burden to say – NO. That is uncivilized.
There is ABSOLUTELY nothing as it now stands for them to pass such a law. It is then the public’s burden to say no way and fight. This is seriously wrong within out legal system. This allows police to kill people randomly or to pull every person over on their way to work to see if they have all their identification. Whatever they do is OK because they do not FIRST have to go to some constitutional court and ask – is this law justified? Consequently, only the rich can defend the constitution. All others can pray – that’s about it.
This is the final stage of the collapse of the Roman Empire. When the state runs out of money, it historically attacks the people. In Rome, whole armies began sacking their own cities to get paid. The police are doing just that. Whatever they can confiscate goes to funding their own pensions. This is a national problem that will only get much worse going into 2020. We have NOBODY in Washington representing the people any more. It is all about them v the people. This is why we will see a rise in third-party activity for 2016.
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I will return everything.....lead first.
All your things are belong to us.
After this holiday with the family, I'm all for anything that gives me an excuse for shunning family members.
I'll plus you this time but time next feign an illness and don't participate. Make a list of excuses as why you make it to other family functions where nothing good will happen. Get a good bottle of liquor and get drunk by yourself. The caveat would be if you have little kids. You have to at least play with them. That is what I have and they like roughhousing with Dad far more than shitty Chinee toys. We didn't even play with toys but rather had "Feats of Strength" contests. They want attention more than anything but if you are three years old and nine years old that is understandable. When you are 40 years old and still need attention then there is a problem.
Been there
Blind Justice?
Unpossible...[?] Taft was president (1909-13[ lost to Wilson]) and *Chief Justice of Supreme Court (1921-30) helping the Jekyll Island mandate? Who knew!
Six of the most influencial SCOTUS justices were well connected politicians.
Edward Douglass White, *William Howard Taft, **Charles Evans Hughs (Lost Presidential Race), Fred M. Vinson (Truman's Missouri pal***/State Dept., etc.), Earl Warren, and William E. Burger
Note: There were six foreign born SCOTUS Justices (Chiefs?)
Note2: Today every SCOTUS Justice comes from just one incubator-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_District_of_Columbia_Circuit
I told you so. They are going feral.
We aint seen nothing yet. My guess is they start going after the tea party folks first. Then small mom and pops. Any excuse will do. If they cant find an excuse they will just make one up. Then comes the malitia of one and the insanity.
It would be best if the cops started doing thier jobs right. All this could be avoided if they went after the banksters now.
Cops (and firefighters) love steroids.
Math not so much.
..Not that fond of high school diploma's though.. well,
...what you've never had, you never miss I guess.
They make it sound like a fucking secret.
You get the justice you can afford, just ask OJ.
So for how many years ZH has been reporting about collapse in US?
Maybe it's time to change the subject. Is it realy selling so well? Kind get's borring if it's reported that final stage of US collapse is at the corner. Same was in USSR where state TV reported that US is near collapse sine then USSR collapses and RUB for at least 3 times has collapsed.
Very Strange Freedom123. I always thought ZH was warning about a collapse unless things change and took it as a "progressive" site in that regard. I'd better get back to MSM to see where I went wrong.
Your a small minded man. Collapse of the US is not something that happens quickly. Nor by your myopic timeline. It is on the horizon period. How far out? Who knows, 15 years, 10 years, 5 years, anytime now really. Considering the the scope a 10 year timeline is what scholars and historians would consider rather fast.
Fuck off!
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Run those trillions of reserve currency free cash flow out of thin air through me and I'll "fix" e v e r y t h i n g too!
This has been going this way for a long time. My whole goal has been for a long time to not own anything with a title or anything that I can't move easily. Real estate being number one on that list. I am so close now to finally closing out my deceased Mother's estate. It has been three years of bullshit and I found a buyer for the property on my own. My real estate agent is threatening to sue me but all I have to do is wait a few more days and the contract expires. I am taking a $47K off what I should have received but I don't care.
I found a buyer and my REA didn't and now he is threatening to sue me even though this buyer is not a protected buyer. Well, fucking good luck asshole. Maybe if you would have done the job I hired you to do you would get paid. For Christ sakes WE had to send you pictures for your website. You were just too busy to even come by and take some pictures after signing a second contract. The reality is that you are a lazy piece of shit who just wants some free money. Your are a fucking vulture just like the first REA I had whom I fired for non-performance. You work for me you fuckers and it is the same for the cops or any judges or legislators or any one else who is on the public dole.
If this asshole wants sue me then he had better watch out because he sits in the school board as well as being an REA. Then the asshole votes to buy another 400 new Ipads after they already bought 400 new ones the year before. I questioned that vote and this asshole told me that "Well, you know that you need to upgrade computers." and this ass is younger than I am. I'm pretty fucking sure I already know how to upgrade a fucking Ipad because I own one. Yeah, I'm fucking dumb and don;t know that there is a cahs kickback for your buddy. I'll sue back for conflict of interest because he never showed the property once himself and the reason why is that property tax levies are off the charts expensive. He had no interest in selling my Mom's estate as long as I am paying the taxes. He was not interested in selling the property at what market prices should be because that would mean less revenue for the public fool system and less commission. Too bad you asshole, I told your ass to find a fucking buyer and you didn't or wouldn't. You had a an entire year to do this and you didn't do anything at all. The guy had the audacity to tell me this one, "You have no idea how much work I put into selling your place." Oh really? No I have a very good idea what you did because I have good friend who is an REA and who is way down by Milwaukee who has been watching through the MLS system and he says you did nothing at all. I would have loved to have my buddy sell the estate but that would be a 400 mile drive to show a property. That wasn't going to work but what he was doing was watching.
What will be worse is that the buyer is someone he has met before but not on a real estate basis. It is a relative of a friend of the REA and that will sting when he figures it out. It's going to create a big problem for this REA unless he drops it. I've been in sales for years and I know how find a buyer and here there was one right there and he couldn't or wouldn't figure that out. I did figure it out and I did the showings. I am the one who went around in circles with tax assessor and the insurance companies and the state and anyone else whom I could question.
I am sick of paying for their .gov faces. It just never stops but it has to stop. The only way is to not be titled on any asset. It is hard to avoid with cars but there are at least one or two workarounds. (sell to your LLC) I am just sick of it. It really was not my deal in the first place anyway. I'm so pessimistic that I can't even believe that this whole thing might finally be over soon. I think I have positioned myself pretty well though and silver is looking cheap as is gold. I hate to be too optimistic but it sound like the deal is done and the cash has been secured. I know how it goes in the PM markets and I never lost money in 15 years but that does not mean I won't. Silver is heavy and what I already have is heavy coin but I will a make a play and it will not be only one coin. No, I will take it all and I already have a coin dealership in my sights. I'll be patient though.
I have enough guns and ammo but you can never too much gold and silver. And now when they go to sue me, good luck. You can issue a summary judgement but you won't find anything to seize very easily because it got lost in a tragic boating accident. I am almost home but not quite and I will never have a home anyway. Your new American Dream is to not own anything that can be tracked or seized because that is the only way to be free.
I bet you feel much better, now you've gotten that off of your chest!
I agree.
I live that way now, after having owned homes and properties, some which were totally paid for, and somehow lost them in the process of life and living.
At 63 I realized for the first time in my adult years I was homeless. Then I made up my mind to get me a home I could own and take with me. So I bought a motor home, fixed it up and paid for it. It is mine. If I don't like the neighborhood or it doesn't like me, I leave with everything I got. I hate apartments and condos, they are worse than living in a jail, there is always somebody in those places pushing 'rules', like not keeping a garage door open longer than 15 minutes or you can't hang those flowers from your balcony and so on.
Everyone wants to be in a power position to control someone else.
What the hell is a school buying IPads for?
Teach them how to read, write and calculate first. Otherwise you get people like that gal screaming 'mutherfucker' in that other post on ZH at McDonald's, a disgrace, not because she is black, she is venting at some minimum wage worker trying to make a living. Tell her to go to the Head Office and scream at the 6 million dollar man up there.
Manny you fucking lunatic. What email address are you using these days? I tried the boating one but it bounced back at me a few days ago. Send me an email from another account.
When the Global Sh#t Hits The Fan, You'd Better Have a Plan
http://newamerica-now.blogspot.com/2014/02/beyond-collapse.html
Whats the difference between communists, unions and leftists?
Spelling.
"What's the difference between communists, unionists, and leftists"?
Ummm... they all have state funded salaries and pensions?
Oh, and they're ugly.
What do I win?
Farty Marty is a liar and an arrogant worm. Sure, everything will collapse, especially the dollar, but he mocks people who put a portion of their savings into gold. He says high inflation is impossible, ignoring all evidence to the contrary. He must have had his brains buggered out in prison, all that is left are his foolish screeds at the direction of his banker masters.
We have NOBODY in Washington representing the people any more.,,,,,,,
then let Incinantus in and haul out the congresmen.
Sez we, come and get it yankee!
Meanwhile, back in the jungle. The crash or something else to distract the nations sheeple from the planned to die dollar looms closer. Windows of numerological opportunities come and go. The ugly question is, which date of sacrifice will the luciferian/satanic disease choose to do there evil deeds on?
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/cienciareal20.htm
Thankfully, we have just pass'ed a few, of the major dates they use for larger sacrifices. Lord knows how many young innocents died at the hands of these evil things that murder children to gain their life force energies, like the evil Skeckcies sucking the life force from the innocent Gelfling in the movie, Dark Crystal. Wanna see some esoterism, watch that movies again. The ending is the message. The mystics the teachers.
What every soul is coming around from out of the fog of war on the average minds, war on reason and sanity, is they are SEEING the truth but moar so, the worlds people are FEELING it in the heart place. There is no stopping the snowball coming dowwwwwwn the mountain and when it slams the bankster empire of chaos/dust, it will extinguish from the face of THIS PLANET all the wickedness they have created like a fire hose hitting the beast in the face of it's fiery burrows. So powerful will be the blasting whooosh, it will also put out the pilot lights of hell. The new satan/lucifer, same same, have already turned to the light and are now giving carte blanch to all the lightbrigaders to DO what is best IN THIS TIME to save the entire ship, and not the chose supremest few. Kinda like how Obie-1 and Darth Vader joined the force in the Star Wars Movies. Seeing from the future, of course.
Oh yes, there are quite many right-up forces unseen at Work as always and those who lose sight of this fact will only be surprised when they are reminded again, just before the last breath. Everybody knows, that it will be best to arrive before the scale of MA AT in the chamber of judgments with out a heavy heart. NO ONE escapes this final journey that reads this now. Choose well the path you take, for experience has shown that falling from the mountain top hurts!
NOW HEAR THIS!.:.
John Moore show:
http://216.240.133.177/archives32/Moore/2014/12/Moore_1_122614_060000.mp3
And for those who want to send G.Sorryass a Christmas greeting, some guy on the Alex show last Friday has let everyone KNOW where this scumbag lives. THIS is exactly what is meant by, start going after the heads of the hydra, instead of the underling minion garthy farks and slimebarks from goobabaville. Portending evil is just hilarious as all heck, when it is just stupid. Take multi-voting and multi-account PROGRAMS of asspiss drinking clowns like americon not even A PATRIOT, for instance. Whatcha gonna do when babylon does not pay you anymoar and leaves you alone to face the pack of wolves forming outside of your REAL IP address?
(lol...makes this vessel of truth laugh too. Spirit is pretty funny sometimes).
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Of course no one really wishes this globalist crimebag o' shat any harm, and this may not really be good info. Take a listen and determine yerself if this star thinker and doer of the exact right thing is telling the truth here towards the end of the third hour, or not. Worlds' People take note, THIS is how one stick can make a huge difference in world history. Be not afraid to change your destiny. In what this hero has done live on talk radio is your answer world. Go camp on the front lawns of these traitors and destroyers of humanity. Let them know you KNOW who is responsible for the killing, murdering profiteering from woar, and who, is sacrificing little children for the idiotic reasons “of gaining their energy” or in the domination of these innocent children in any physical way. Shine the light on the ca-ca-roaches NOW!!
Alex 3rd hr:
http://cdn2.gcnlive.com/cache/gcn_archives/TheAlexJonesShow/TheAlexJonesShowDec262014Hour3.mp3
END SLAVERY TO THE MONEY-GOD!
Fair trade is just that. Fair! Easy peazy!!
Sunday evening viewing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUieCsFtx20
Extra credit: review one of the best pages of light ever published on ZH 5595755 Peltast:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-26/60-prominent-germans-appeal-aga...
Shalom!
This is poor reasoning, making a statement based on one example. I would call it anti-government propaganda. Please give me the keys to your house and car now. And your wife with it. For my pension.
Fuck New jersey!!
Dinosaurs rutted there.
Uncle Sam sez
"Pull ma finga."
These laws were originally enacted in the 80s, as a way to take property from the rich Colombian cartels.
"Unintended consequences", indeed.
This stage doesn't last long. Once it becomes known that the government will seize assets on the slightest pretext, no one will buy anything they can't load on a pickup truck and haul to a less confiscatory jurisdiction. This makes it very hard for government to monetize the assets it's seized.
As I awoke this morning, Sunday, Oct. 13, 2024, from restless dreams, I found the insect-sized sensor implanted in my arm was already awake. We call it a “bug.” U.S. citizens have been required to have them since 2022 to access government health care.
The bug knew from its biometric monitoring of my brain wave frequencies and rapid eye movement that I would awake momentarily. It was already at work launching systems, including the coffee maker. I could smell the coffee brewing in the kitchen. The information screens on the inside of my panopticon goggles were already flashing before my eyes.
Images of world leaders were on the screen. They were issuing proclamations about the fine health of their economies and the advent of world peace. Citizens, they explained, needed to work in accordance with the New World Order Growth Plan to maximize wealth for all. I knew this was propaganda, but I couldn’t ignore it. Removing your panopticon goggles is viewed with suspicion by the neighborhood watch committees. Your “bug” controls all the channels.
I’m mostly interested in economics and finance, as I have been for decades. I’ve told the central authorities that I’m an economic historian, so they’ve given me access to archives and information denied to most citizens in the name of national economic security.
My work now is only historical, because markets were abolished after the Panic of 2018. That was not the original intent of the authorities. They meant to close markets “temporarily” to stop the panic, but once the markets were shut, there was no way to reopen them without the panic starting again.
My work now is only historical, because markets were abolished after the Panic of 2018.Today, trust in markets is completely gone. All investors want is their money back. Authorities started printing money after the Panic of 2008, but that solution stopped working by 2018. Probably because so much had been printed in 2017 under QE7. When the panic hit, money was viewed as worthless. So markets were simply closed.
Between 2018–20, the Group of 20 major powers, the G-20, abolished all currencies except for the dollar, the euro and the ruasia. The dollar became the local currency in North and South America. Europe, Africa and Australia used the euro. The ruasia was the only new currency — a combination of the old Russian ruble, Chinese yuan and Japanese yen — and was adopted as the local currency in Asia.
There is also new world money called special drawing rights, or SDRs for short. They’re used only for settlements between countries, however. Everyday citizens use the dollar, euro or ruasia for daily transactions. The SDR is also used to set energy prices and as a benchmark for the value of the three local currencies. The World Central Bank, formerly the IMF, administers the SDR system under the direction of the G-20. As a result of the fixed exchange rates, there’s no currency trading.
All of the gold in the world was confiscated in 2020 and placed in a nuclear bomb-proof vault dug into the Swiss Alps. The mountain vault had been vacated by the Swiss army and made available to the World Central Bank for this purpose. All G-20 nations contributed their national gold to the vault. All private gold was forcibly confiscated and added to the Swiss vault as well. All gold mining had been nationalized and suspended on environmental grounds.
The purpose of the Swiss vault was not to have gold backing for currencies, but rather to remove gold from the financial system entirely so it could never be used as money again. Thus, gold trading ceased because its production, use and possession were banned. By these means, the G-20 and the World Central Bank control the only forms of money.
Some lucky ones had purchased gold in 2014 and sold it when it reached $40,000 per ounce in 2019. By then, inflation was out of control and the power elites knew that all confidence in paper currencies had been lost. The only way to re-establish control of money was to confiscate gold. But those who sold near the top were able to purchase land or art, which the authorities did not confiscate.
Those who never owned gold in the first place saw their savings, retirement incomes, pensions and insurance policies turn to dust once the hyperinflation began. Now it seems so obvious. The only way to preserve wealth through the Panic of 2018 was to have gold, land and fine art. But investors not only needed to have the foresight to buy it… they also had to be nimble enough to sell the gold before the confiscation in 2020, and then buy more land and art and hang onto it. For that reason, many lost everything.
Land and personal property were not confiscated, because much of it was needed for living arrangements and agriculture. Personal property was too difficult to confiscate and of little use to the state. Fine art was lumped in with cheap art and mundane personal property and ignored.
Stock and bond trading were halted when the markets closed. During the panic selling after the crash of 2018, stocks were wiped out. Too, the value of all bonds were wiped out in the hyperinflation of 2019. Governments closed stock and bond markets, nationalized all corporations and declared a moratorium on all debts. World leaders initially explained it as an effort to “buy time” to come up with a plan to unfreeze the markets, but over time, they realized that trust and confidence had been permanently destroyed, and there was no point in trying.
Wiped-out savers broke out in money riots soon after but were quickly suppressed by militarized police who used drones, night vision technology, body armor and electronic surveillance. Highway tollbooth digital scanners were used to spot and interdict those who tried to flee by car. By 2017, the U.S. government required sensors on all cars. It was all too easy for officials to turn off the engines of those who were government targets, spot their locations and arrest them on the side of the road.
In compensation for citizens’ wealth destroyed by inflation and confiscation, governments distributed digital Social Units called Social Shares and Social Donations. These were based on a person’s previous wealth. Americans below a certain level of wealth got Social Shares that entitled them to a guaranteed income.
Those above a certain level of wealth got Social Donation units that required them to give their wealth to the state. Over time, the result was a redistribution of wealth so that everyone had about the same net worth and the same standard of living. The French economist Thomas Piketty was the principal consultant to the G-20 and World Central Bank on this project.
By 2017, the U.S. government required sensors on all cars.
To facilitate the gradual freezing of markets, confiscation of wealth and creation of Social Units, world governments coordinated the elimination of cash in 2016. The “cashless society” was sold to citizens as a convenience. No more dirty, grubby coins and bills to carry around!
Instead, you could pay with smart cards and mobile phones and could transfer funds online. Only when the elimination of cash was complete did citizens realize that digital money meant total control by government. This made it easy to adopt former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers’ idea of negative interest rates. Governments simply deducted amounts from its citizens’ bank accounts every month. Without cash, there was no way to prevent the digital deductions.
The government could also monitor all of your transactions and digitally freeze your account if you disagreed with their tax or monetary policy. In fact, a new category of hate crime for “thoughts against monetary policy” was enacted by executive order. The penalty was digital elimination of the wealth of those guilty of dissent.
The entire process unfolded in small stages so that investors and citizens barely noticed before it was too late. Gold had been the best way to preserve wealth from 2014–18, but in the end, it was confiscated because the power elites knew it could not be allowed. First, they eliminated cash in 2016. Then they eliminated diverse currencies and stocks in 2018. Finally came the hyperinflation of 2019, which wiped out most wealth, followed by gold confiscation and the digital socialism of 2020.
By last year, 2023, free markets, private property and entrepreneurship were things of the past. All that remains of wealth is land, fine art and some (illegal) gold. The only other valuable assets are individual talents, provided you can deploy them outside the system of state-approved jobs.
Reference: http://jimrickards.blogspot.com/2014/12/jim-rickards-in-year-2024.html
Anyone else start reading this in a blaze, only to slow down like you were in molasses? Yet kept slogging through?
Very Good, noben. Not sure if this is yours as an original or if you posted from somewhere else.
But this is a real stop-and-thinker.
if you close market, no more lottery, no more gain for elite, you think this will happen... lol... and btw usa didn't start to print in 2008, they always printed....
nice try but nobody see that the amount of digitalization of the human data and behavior will make the planet to boom at some point, and when there will be that boom, even the food will have been totally put in hands of 100% digitally productions it is starting, big farms are computerized... today us farmers do not drive any truck in fields without gps... lol...
my prophecy :
one day, humanity will have digitalized the totality of his life, the totality of what he produces, the totality of what he consumes.
for a short period of time , he will celebrate what he has done: the happening of the no working need.
then, the lack of energy will come by some way, until unbalancing provock an off grid. a total black out, by :
-an explosion,
-a computer virus,
-a riot of part of humanity coz of the need of rebalancing what enegy is used for ( just like what money is all about right now in 2014 :) ,
-whatever. [ to me, the futur digital is the promise of a better world but we simply push back the solving of the actual society problems )
then, the prehistoric call back will finish the job of the mother nature, killing that virus called human from earth, doin a great purge, and restart one more time.
the key of the human "evolution" in its control is the ability to brain hack what is already done by very basic process such ads, tv, press, global msm, even internet is a great weapon, cos even here in zh, ppl read what they are interested in, so this is ez targeting: human kept over time its tribalisation group forming ability...
from 2014 usb based clock hearth beat pulse tracker shit hype to make 5 day sport/year to the next great digital evolution consisting to use human energy to plug all actual systems,
then you have in the ear the phone integrated by mid century, maybe less, since mechanic hearts are in progress to replace reel ones, they use batteries, why not implant battery in body after all...
problem, whatever the side you take it, is the same result, you put all what you take out of your brain as idea to materialize and sell/use, it needs energy, because energy implees bills, energy is not free. your keep controling masses with energy, more than with money.
electrical energy -> robotics production -> food -> gives you energy, you can live without modern facilities, but you cant live without food :)
you go full energy world, you shutdown the interruptor, ....and the shit happen. we are dependant to modern facilties, it makes " our lives better " for me, no.
internet is the worst thing human ever created. hypermarket killed small vendor, internet killing hypermarket + social relations + all humanity.
look how we build, face the elements...? break, collapse, clean, restart... you can save japan building by putting gum between pillars to maintain them up while the ground is shaking, but i dont think you can replace human brain and thinking by computer, coz if you do it, the humanity become irrelevent. that's the point.
if you have a global system able to maintain you immortal for 1 million ppl, needing to wipe out rest of population to be stable, i think those in charge will not hesitate that long.
behavior drifting will occur anyway, look now about healthcare.... you think big pharma will heal everyone so we go 15 billion in 2050 ?
nop, those who pay, stay, others, plse exit right on the side :) ho, and, pls, die near plants, they need energy :)
it is not a matrix scernario copy, it is just the path we are following, if you look around you, consider, for a day, when you see automats, robots, digital world, look what it cost to keep it alive, look how do we make business today, what economy is, its form, the communications, the relations. push your thinking, let it evolve in a 40 years futur...
you think this is nice ? i don't.
Oh yes, yes! A "third party" will rise up! The Money Power will fear it! The Money Power will not be able to stop it!
Uh huh.
Sorry, Marty. You FAIL.
C'mon people, its all very straightforward:
If a member of the public performs "asset forfeiture", the government calls it "robbery", a crime. If the government does it, it is called "taxation". If police do it, they call it "authorized".
There are smart crooks and dumb crooks, criminal gangs and legal gangs. Dumb crooks hold up liquor stores, get $1,500 bucks and 5 years in jail. Smart crooks work on Wall Street or in Congress and make millions, without jail sentences. Criminal gangs deal drugs, kill each other, get killed by the police, and get long jail sentences. Legal gangs wear uniforms and drive black-and-white cars, or work in the Federal "Intelligence Agencies", perform "Black Ops", deal drugs, do assassinations, overturn governments, and enjoy legal immunity.
Any questions?
Most civilians could care less about this as they are already leveraged. Does this mean that the bank will take away their debt? Worrying about government or banks taking your stuff is such a 2000 problem unless you are in retirement and that is the beauty of it. Those who will be paying for this soon... can't fight.
2014 MSNBC verbal diarrhea compilation!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WKT_iwg9xbY
The civil forfeiture is nothing but act of recalling of privileges (called wrongly rights or laws) bestowed on American people as subjects of Anglo-American Empire.
Here is something for liberty/property worshiping, proud property owning ZH crowd.
Let’s see first what owner of land means. It means conveyee of privileges of tenancy on the land obtained from Land Lord (conveyer of privileges) who in return oblige conveyee (owner) to provide services to Land Lord in form of military service or commodity obtained from the cultivation of the land.
In no way Land Lord cedes any sovereignty of the land, and can take it back anytime with or without reason (usually it was non performance of duty). Later the privileges of conveyee were extended to privilege of inheritance of the limited privileges to tenancy on the land, and substituted services to Land Lord for a fee paid in money, so called leasing fee. For lands under King’s appellate court jurisdiction, such a lease fee was called private property tax.
Subsequent laws regulated only procedures of inheritance or reacquiring land from “owner” back to landlord. What those “owners” actually owned was not their land but a piece of paper recounting conveyee privilege, so called “Land Title” containing description of the land, under appropriate court rules, dates names, fees or taxes etc. Just a formalization of the agreement of land use, including clause about inheritance of the privilege to use the land.
Lands in pre-revolutionary America were appropriated the same ways and all plantation “owners” were just conveyees of the privileges (to use the land) of conveyor, in that case English King, as only sovereign Land Lord of the American colonial land who distributed, among their courtiers, not American land, but the “title” to use American (freshly stolen from Indians) land on his behave. In early XVIII century in the US, sovereign of the land (conveyer of the privileges) was changed from English king to the State (each particular state belonging to the Union).
So here we have, with just cosmetic legal changes, the law of the land today.
This law is a foundation for imminent domain laws (reassigning of privileges to use land from one conveyee (owner) to another on the terms set by sovereign, the State), civil forfeiture of the real estate (revoking the privilege to use land from conveyee by conveyor of these privileges, the State) all in administrative procedures or limited legal process. The property taxes we pay are just landlord (the State) fees for land use and if we don’t pay them, sovereign landlord of our property, the state, revokes our rights to use the land, and forecloses on our land and real estate, meaning, fixed to the ground, assets located on it, with or without legal system involved. Under the same law abandoned properties return to the State.
We own nothing here in the US, neither vast majority of people all over the world.
We own our land today as much as Russians owned it during days of Soviet Union, namely we don’t, we just have privilege to use it, if we are nice. What’s happening now is heating up process of revoking all our privileges, property, liberty, justice, privacy, economic and social and political activities etc., we have been duped to believe are our unalienable rights.
More to come, brace yourselves, American Empire re-establishes itself as medieval power.
You have everything exactly backwards. The way you state things is precisely how the human predators who call themselves "government" assert, and want you to accept. Which you did.
I don't. Anyone who is rational understands that 100% perfect logical deduction and argument is UTTERLY FALSE AND WITHOUT ANY MERIT WHATSOEVER when any of the premises are false.
Well, guess what? When some human predator scumbag asserts "this entire continent belongs to me", that is nothing more than animal-generated sound; like the roar of a lion, the rattle of a rattlesnake, the bark of a dog.
In FACT, such assertions are nothing but sound.
If I was to assert that I am sovereign of the universe, you would laugh at me, ridicule me, and call me all sorts of nasty names. And you'd be right to do so.
But you (like most people) have been brainwashed since birth to believe that some utterly unknowable magic process happened when some other human beings equally devoid of merit asserted equally insane, laughable things.
Think about it. Thousands or millions of human beings are born, live, work and die on some island or continent. Then some arrogant human predator opens his mouth and emits sounds something like this, "I am the sovereign, everything on this island or continent belong to me, and you must comply with my every whim".
I say, that is noise coming from a piece of human trash.
You say, now everyone must play his game of Simon sez.
My point is... the [approximately] 99.999% of human beings who claim the noise that he made with his mouth (or his ink smears on parchment) can possibly obligate me or anyone else in any way whatsoever is... insane. STARK. RAVING. INSANE.
Nothing prevents 99.9999% of human beings on planet earth from being insane. And they are.
To be sure, some of those 99.9999% might say, "sure, technically you're right, but I have to pretend or my wife, friends, whoever will reject me" or some other lame reason. But to utterly cede your life to a pack of human predators is so vastly worse than being honest and getting real, that this is just another form of extreme insanity.
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The ONLY POSSIBLE solution to this problem is to recognize reality as it is. There is NO POSSIBLE BASIS for ANY human being to gain and form of real, valid or legitimate authority over ANY other human being. Period. Full stop. End of story.
In other words, the only possible solution to complete, permanent abject misery by the vast majority of mankind is for some small but non-trivial percentage of mankind to take upon themselves the job of exterminating the most vile and dangerous predators the universe has ever known, namely human predators.
PS: Exactly 100% of "law" is pure fiction. This is again just one more huge pile of arbitrary assertions with ZERO basis whatsoever. Any "logic" you may find WITHIN what is called "law" does not negate the fact that "law" is pure fiction, it only exists as arbitrary fantasy.
The fact is, virtually the entire planet of human chimps is just playing a huge sickening game of "Simon sez", where human predators are always Simon. Wake up, stupid chimp children! Wake up, get real, and get busy exterminating the vermin who ruin human life on earth.
So-called human societies still operate by the rules of the animal world and periodically return to outright animal behaviors. After all, the default setting for almost everyone is that of a hunter-gatherer.
Welcome to the Planet of the subhumans.
So you are laying down a law that "law is pure fiction." See how that doesnt work?
Assassinating assasins will never end up in a courtroom.
So... you are telling me that if I say "the Tooth Fairy is fiction"... that I have laid down a law? Seriously? You think that?
You can't distinguish a "statement" from a "law"? Seriously? You believe that everything everyone says is... a "law"?
Wow. Don't know where to go with that!
What I said is very carefully thought out and understood. I am expert in the nature of consciousness, which requires I understand the nature of mental units, and how they relate to reality, or fail to.
Maybe you should read my message a few times and think carefully for a while. Maybe you'll start to realize a few things that most people sadly do not realize. Maybe you'll start to realize that your brain didn't come with an operating manual, and is not constructed in a way that prevents it from malfunction. A human brain and human consciousness malfunctions quite easily in fact, especially when brainwashed by predators for a lifetime.
To be clear, when I say "law is fiction", I merely identify a fact. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing else. Just because the word "law" is in a sentence, does not make that sentence a law. Just because "turkey" is in a sentence, does not make that sentence a turkey. Sigh.
Goddamn, you've got me cheering right now. Haven't done that for some time.
Good topic, but horrible conclusion! No third party, or fourth party, or fifth party will help. Predators always win if you let them.
Let's be clear. No matter how great a political party is created, predators WILL take it over. Every time. It is only a matter of time.
Furthermore, if you accept the notion that ANY legitimate way exists for some people to obligate other people [without fully voluntary consent]... game over --- the predators WILL ALWAYS DOMINATE.
When you think about it a while, it becomes obvious why predators ALWAYS rule, and good folks have no chance. First and perhaps foremost, good folks are busy being productive and living their own lives. In contrast, human predators entire focus in life is to dominate, enslave, and drain the life from their prey. And so, they invest vastly more time, focus, effort, energy and resources to gain control of ANY AND EVERY fictional entity that people accept has the legitimate basis or power to dominate and obligate others.
Therefore, the only solution in the human realm is the same as the only solution in the rest of the animal realm. The only way to deal with predators of all species is to exterminate them. You cannot reason with them, you cannot bargain with them, because the moment you turn your back, they will ignore all reason, ignore all agreements, and enslave you, obligate you, dominate you and suck you dry.
The entirety of human history is evidence of this. So if you want a solution, the only solution is zero tolerance. Exterminate predators. Period.
BTW, humans are different in one way. They make choices consciously. And so, if human predators saw other human predators being wiped out left and right, they would consider switching from the certain death of being a human predator, to something more benevolent and productive.
But human predators must see and recognize the futility of being a human predator, or they will not change their modus-operandi. So there is only one solution that honest, ethical, productive, benevolent human beings can adopt that can work (and would work if executed by a sufficient number of human non-predators). And that is, zero tolerance for human predators. Kill them. Otherwise, be a kind, meek, gentle, humble, happy and delightful productive human being. Which is what life could be absent human predators.
In case the consequences of this are not clear, I'll be explicit. This means the absolute and complete elimination of all government in all forms.
However, note the following interesting factoid. For those hyper-delusional brainwashed souls who love government, most government programs could continue to operate... as long as participation is 100% voluntary, and impose absolutely NO restrictions or limitations of any type whatsoever on anyone who does not subscribe. Of course, what would certainly happen is, government lovers would learn over time that much better services are available much cheaper from other providers. The point being, once those human predators who call themselves "government" cannot force or obligate others, only deal with others in mutually voluntary ways, they would have no incentive to offer those services at all, and would be completely overwhelmed by alternate services operated by benevolent human producers who enjoy providing good services to their customers.
recall the scene in Dr Zhivago when the communists took over the opulent Zhivago home, and moved in dozens of poor people. it was pretty degrading. in our world we are distracted by the appearance of the same problem, large mansions, many homeless, but the truth is the opposite, there are too many homes, (and government tries to get people into them) some cities actually give property or homes away. there is too much of everything, Bob Prechter is reposting this Two Jaguar parable about overcapacity in this economy..
in the first depression money disappeared, now it won't go away, as the monetary supply expands beyond its useful limits money velocity goes to zero (and soon negative they will simply print more when the chickens come home to roost) for every person government removes from their home or property, there are nine more who are put up in new housing. government has no idea how to handle overcapacity, any more than they can handle shortages.
the predatory impulse is not nearly as evident as altruism and social responsibility, and while the dogooders get blamed for trading social welfare for work, they become involved because something doesn't work. obama drew his appeal from the concern that the policies of bush were dividing the country. then he repeated them
mostly we are powerless to control our own systems, we attack those predators who can use the system for their own benefit, but they didnt create the system. this is where the checks and balances in the constitution are supposed to be a circuit breaker, and if our leaders have a fault, its assuming that each branch should get as much power for itself as possible. when it comes to power, there is no altruism.
Agree completely, but how can such an enlightened world order be brought about?
There is an example in that religion has essentially been relegated to individual choice and that believers, non-believers, and differently believing can live as neighbors.
In the West, the moral sphere of purity has been weakened by being disassociated from the authority moral sphere and somewhat less so from the ingroup moral sphere.
Seeing as though authority is the "king" of the moral, i.e. survival, spheres, pronounced threats to the other moral spheres must occur.
I don't think an enlightened world order will happen. However, that response is a cop out, and not an answer to your question. So I'll try.
The problem is, some number of people must take on the mission and execute. We're in the sad state wherein "everyone who is fed up is waiting for someone else to do something". Well, we know what needs to be done, the human predators need to be exterminated. And then, no new fictions must be tolerated.
Which means, almost every human being on the planet will need a thorough lesson in "what is real and what is fiction". Otherwise the masses will just be taken in by some new scam. Though, the alternate and necessary solution to that is... don't disband after the extermination is complete. Instead, teach everyone to practice extermination of human predators whenever they encounter them. Once the human predators are not in complete domination, it should be fairly easy to off them without much risk or worry.
One thing humans need to know is... the concept "authority" is also pure fiction, pure nonsense. There is no possible way for anything like what people mean by "authority" to exist. That and many other terms are simply mind-bending falsehoods that when deconstructed simply end up meaning "human predators intend to dominate you".
Though this is also a technically invalid and twisted meaning, the only "authority" that can be valid is the authority each human has to operate his own brain and body. But that's not authority, that's just a statement that your brain is connected to your body, so baby, you have control. So control it. Observe the world, understand the world, operate your brain, formulate your values, make your choices, and then take actions. That's what people need to do, and that's the only sense anything like "authority" has any meaning.
In case it helps, I'll restate the soundbite version of "natural ethics" (which is as close to the term "moral" as I get).
Every individual should enjoy/bare/suffer all of the consequences of his own actions, and enjoy/bare/suffer none of the consequences of the actions of others.
In case it isn't obvious, this is simply the fundamental characteristic of reality we call "causality" or "cause and effect" applied to "human action". Which mean, there never was any need or reason to invent fictional "authorities" (whether benevolent or malevolent or mixed). The only valid ethics is inherent in the nature of reality and the nature of mankind... and right in front of our faces all the time.
As I said, I suspect it won't happen, but it could. It might even be able to start very small, if the original actors and collaborators are very wise, very thoughtful, and carry out their actions in the most safe and efficient manner. And it might help to (anonymously of course) publicize what is happening (extermination of human predators) and why (so humans can live long and prosper, be happy and enjoy their lives and all the technology that humans have developed that can enable everyone to live a good life with only modest investment of their time and effort).
The fact is, the most revolting thought is how easy this job could be (if the actors are wise and smart). After all, many of the human predators wear targets (uniforms), so they can be easily identified. Assuming the reasons are made clear, a strong and successful start could draw in many more quickly, and get the ball rolling so fast the predators get overwhelmed very quickly. The mission would have to be stated clearly (all human predators shall be exterminated), so when they see what's happening, and happening fast... they scatter and the whole hierarchy vanishes like a fart in the wind. At which point, hunt them down, especially the worst of them. Once the big shots have no cops or military to protect them (effectively), they'll run like terrified babies, and their protectors will think twice (or more) before trying to protect them.
Honestann
You're kick ass.
"The ... only solution is zero tolerance. Exterminate predators. Period."
You are such a logical person, I hope you have a wonderful holiday season, HonestAnn and the true ZH commentators who have gotten me through this madness, convinced me what I was seeing was true - A Coup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1BDsyBa5o8
I want My Money Back (Meatloaf) HQ - ~Enjoy~
What does a sniper charge these days. We should hire Quintin Tarantino to make the arrangements, I bet Samual Jackson needs a gig. The Wolf perhaps? A price on their head like bin laden? Or a "bet" of when/where/how casino fashion, gone before midnight, on a cold rainy day
They are thieves, they steal. They love bombs. Bombs Bombs Bombs. Yes. Here is a plan. Allow them to steal a bomb that has the capability to be detonated by the good guys (the rest of the world basically, all of us), maybe Jeff Goldblum. They take it back to their storage unit in their white van with the mural of the WTC buildings being impalled by a jetliner and as then enter a designated area - we know where they are going, we know where they sleep at night, and we know they are beating their meat....and shazzzam...blasted off the map.
I think it would work or, more specifically, I would hope that it has already happened and it's justamatteroftime.
I like this one by Naomi Wolf if you have time. It clearly indicates a COUP by Business Interests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A2FY7t-1a8&spfreload=1
Why stopping on government predators. Let's get rid of social predators, economic predators, financial predators , religious predators, information predators and intellectual predators and we may have something.
And then we could find ourselves in the realm of radical anarchism. Alternative that needs to be seriously consider. I would prefer, however, more anarcho-syndicalistic flavor.
People can form as many limited/special purpose collaborations as they wish... they simply can't force "their way" on anyone who doesn't voluntarily choose to conform.
As for human predators, they all need to be exterminated. But in current times, without a doubt, the predators-DBA-government are the most harmful and problematic. Once human predators realize their heads are on the chopping block, most of them will abandon ship.
Ah no. It dont work like that. Justice must be honest and openly done. Accountability that each is held to the same standard. The idea that a vigalence group operating in secret would be justice is just pure bullshit. Its human nature that it would be selfserving from the start.
We dont need a new bully it has not worked so far. I see no reason it would this time either.
True accountability is the key. And that goes for every last one. The solution is not more secrets its in openness.
I would prefer everyone be allowed to bring loaded guns to the court rooms except the parties involved. One bullet per person. No gun for defendants or plaintiffs, judges or lawyers. Do it right or you might get shot on the spot.
Sidestepping true accountability is how we got here.
I totally believe in accountability! However, the difference is, I believe in real, existential accountability. Like if someone comes after me or my property, I kill them dead. Right then, right there, immediately hold them accountable for their actions... in the process of defending myself.
Or if they get away, I hunt them down, wait until they're not paying attention, then kill them dead... and take back whatever they stole from me, plus anything else that suits my fancy as payment for the time, effort and risk of holding them accountable.
Or if I decide their transgression is small enough that I prefer not to eliminate them entirely, maybe get full compensation, then give them a second chance IF they seem honestly sorry and likely to mend their behavior.
So yeah, accountability good.
The problem with what people think is accountability today is... other people are involved. We don't need no stinking interferers involved! All they do is attempt to get between the victim and the guilty party... to the benefit of the guilty.
Of course, there's another side to this accountability, and that falls squarely onto the victim. Unless I'm sure who abused me, I better not go around accusing or trying to shoot someone, because then I'll be the one held accountable... and in spades too, because if I go after someone who was not involved, they have every reason to gun me down on the spot. And so, I suspect a world of accountability would be a huge boon to companies who sell surveillance cameras and equipment. Because, until humans get out of the habit of abusing each other, and learn to cooperate and collaborate (or stay away from each other), everyone is going to want to KNOW who abused them, trashed them, harmed them, stole from them.
Of course, some people will hate this idea, because they want a world that CANNOT EXIST. They want "someone else" to protect them. Won't happen (the cops come AFTER the action). They want "someone else" to investigate. Won't happen (the cops don't give a damn whether they catch anyone, or identify the correct parties). They want "someone else" to punish the abuser and collect compensation for harm done. Won't happen (the cops may hand someone over to their buddies who run a private prison, but only because they have a kick-back deal... and any compensation they collect will be mostly or entirely directed into their own pockets).
There is no "magic world" in which "justice always happens". That CANNOT EXIST. The moment someone kills you, guess what? You can never get justice. Your family cannot get justice. Furthermore, a great many other transgressions cannot be rectified after the fact too. And finally, in cases where just compensation IS possible, inserting others into the process makes it IMPOSSIBLE for justice to be served. How so? Because they get paid, right? And where does that payment come from? Well, two possibilities. Either you get much less or zero compensation for the harm done to you (including all the time, effort, expense, frustration and risk involved in "trying to get justice this way")... or the perpetrator gets ripped off for more than appropriate compensation. Most likely: the victim gets the shaft.
I say, keep others out of it. Let each individual take whatever actions they deem appropriate to deal with transgressors. For major transgressions, I tend to favor instant death by bullet, bomb or axe. For minor transgressions, I tend to favor 3x to 10x repayment of ALL losses (including my time, effort and risk)... plus visible attitude and behavior that convinces me they plan to halt their transgressions in the future.
For those who just can't take matters into their own hands (the "wimps" and "disabled"), they still bear the burden of accountability (being certain they don't attempt to hold the wrong person accountable), but they can hire others to help them seek justice.
But... the history of mankind should have convinced you and everyone else that any attempt at an "official accountability system" always attracts human predators who will end up turning their "official system" into a club to transgress against EVERYONE... forever.
I'll have NO PART of any "official system". I have no problem with behavior that becomes common because people see it in action and large numbers consider it reasonable. But no way, no how is ANYONE else going to tell me how I must deal with predators who come after me and my stuff.
I will say the following, however. If we somehow managed to return "justice" to individuals in the manner I mentioned, there may be a few months or years during which human predators learn the error of their ways. Most will learn very quickly that "justice is swift" when every individual takes it upon themselves to see to their own justice. They will see very clearly that maybe they could get away with one or two transgressions... maybe... but with every attempt the odds would become more tilted against them. And so they'd give up their life of human predatory behavior, and find something much safer to do. And those who did not make that decision would very quickly be exterminated.
And so, after those few months or years, I am quite certain life would be almost entirely free of human predators and unfortunate transgressions. At which point, people might keep their sidearms handy, but would treat each other in a very friendly and civil fashion as a matter of course. Because even me, who is an extreme hermit and not a lover of humans, would naturally practice that kind of life if human predators became nearly extinct. Which they should.
Thanks for the well thought out reply. I dont think we are all that far apart on this. Somehow the predators got out of hand just like all thruout history. The battle to keep them in check wont go away ever. In the world you lay out justice goes to the best shot. Kinda. Because people will be people and none are perfect.This type of justice you speak of is not justice. Its frontier justice. It works for the strongest, smartest and best connected. It leaves the young/dumb and week in the cold. We could do better than that.
That said a real system of justice is not only possible but nessasary provided its core is integrity. Once lost can it be recovered? Did we ever really have it I dont know. But it sure seems like it would be worth a try. You know before we start shootin the place all up.
Accountability and integrity go a long way. So does a Barret 50 cal but it dont care about truth or justice. So is justice to be a bullet you never hear or reason. I vote reason.
I vote reason too. And yes, the barret doesn't care about justice, but those who handle that barret are either the predator who needs to be exterminated, or they are NOT a predator. And if they are NOT a predator, well, I would say you're wrong. I would say people who are not predators DO care about truth and justice. And in fact, that's pretty much a tautology, because if they didn't care about truth and justice, they would be one of the predators.
So you see, it does come down to defending yourself, and seeking as much justice as you yourself deem feasible under each circumstance. There is no way to get "justice" when a random earthquake levels your home, and sometimes with human beings there is no way to get justice either. That's the brakes. That's reality. No guarantees, with or without an "official system".
However, you are vastly more likely to get justice when you take responsibility for making it happen yourself. Think about it. If you're NOT a predator and you're just seeking justice, you do have integrity and you do seek accountability. So "frontier justice" is what you really want, whether you realize it or not. Why? Because more people get more justice and more accountability when they take upon themselves to take care of their own business.
And don't forget what happens with "frontier justice". The predators get weeded out, never to harm again. The minor infractors may get two or three chances before they're weeded out, or maybe not. Which is a huge incentive not to be a predator. Plus, again, ANY official system HAS ALWAYS and WILL ALWAYS be taken over by human predators, which is why almost nobody ever sees any justice or accountability.
Very much like justice in jr high? No thanks.
No problem. The predators will be quite happy to rule you, and decide what "accountability" means.
Me? I'll take care of myself.
Got kids?
No way! And if any show up out here in the extreme boonies... they're lunch!
LOL. Big smile!
Ignoring the many problems of Lynch Mobs and the fact that the most conservative & rigid individual usually takes over a group like a mob...
Really you have to be talking about a whole new economic system, Trade System, and Banking System.
I tend to think Decentralization of power into a Balkanized United States is the way to go except not sure how to provide for a common defense except for state trust funds. Not clear how to seize the wealth of Wall Street either before some kind of Ban & Reorganization.
I guess it would be Anarcho-Capitalism, Trade, barter, precious metals, state bank money.
CO-OP Style Utilities, Banking, Retail, Trucking & Distribution & Wholesale Warehousing, and local or State Construction, Engineering, and Infrastructure Labor would help pull power back from DC & Wall Street
To kill a predator you have to become one. Interesting post but the idea of "non-predators" killing predators is far out.
Waking up sheeple will be yet another unintended consequence.
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Is this a re-post, was it bumped to the sticky position from the previous time it was posted or has my alternate universal self caught up with this self and I'm having another sensation of deja vu?
Pennsylvania Sucks. Pass it on.
What do you expect. You people still think 9/11 was done by some arabs with box cutters . Pathetic. You deserve to have no rights or liberties