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Search For Disappeared Air Asia Flight Suspended: Summary Of The Facts So Far
About 12 hours after AirAsia flight QZ8501 with 162 people on board disappeared and lost all contact with Jakarta air traffic control at 6:17 am local time (11:17 pm GMT Saturday), the aircraft searching for any clue of what may happened to the second unexplained disappearance of an airplane flying in the region, have been called off due to nightfall even as ships will continue their search through the night. As Sky News reported, "Rescuers scouring the Java Sea have halted their search because it is getting dark, Indonesia's transport ministry said. Hadi Mustofa said: "We ended at 5:30 pm (1030 GMT) because it was getting dark. The weather was also not too good as it was getting really cloudy. "Tomorrow we will begin at 7 am, or even earlier than that if the weather is good."
For those who missed the coverage last night, here is what is known so far, via Reuters:
Indonesia AirAsia Flight QZ8501, an Airbus 320-200 carrying 155 passengers and seven crew, lost contact with Jakarta air traffic control at 6:17 a.m. (2317 GMT on Saturday). No distress signal had been sent, said Joko Muryo Atmodjo, an Indonesian transport ministry official.
On board were 155 Indonesians, three South Koreans and one each from Singapore, Malaysia and Britain, plus a French pilot, the airline said in a statement, correcting earlier information. Tatang Kurniadi, head of Indonesia's National Committee of Safety Transportation, expressed hope of locating the aircraft quickly and said it was too early to detect any of the so-called electronic pings from its black box recorder.
"We are using our capacity to search on sea and land. Hopefully we can find the location of the plane as soon as possible," he told a news conference."What I need to emphasize is until now, we have not found out how the plane fell or what kind of emergency it was."
Indonesia AirAsia is 49 percent owned by Malaysia-based budget carrier AirAsia (AIRA.KL), which has had a clean safety record since it began operating 13 years ago. The AirAsia group also has affiliates in Thailand, the Philippines and India. The aircraft had accumulated approximately 23,000 flight hours in some 13,600 flights, according to Airbus (AIR.PA).
The pilots of QZ8501 "was requesting deviation due to en-route weather before communication with the aircraft was lost," the airline said in a statement. Singapore, Malaysia, Britain, South Korea and Australia offered to help in the search and any investigation. Malaysia said it was sending vessels and a C130 aircraft while Singapore had also sent a C130. Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said a P3 Orion aircraft was on standby if needed.
The suggested location of the disappearance is shown in the map below: Flight QZ8501 was between Tanjung Pandan on Indonesia's Belitung island and Pontianak, in West Kalimantan province on Borneo - almost halfway between Surabaya and Singapore - when it went missing. There was bad weather over Belitung at the time and the aircraft had been flying at 32,000 feet before asking to fly at 38,000 feet to avoid clouds.
While AirAsia chief Tony Fernandes said it is too early to say what happened to flight QZ8501 and every assistance must be given to the search and rescue effort some are thanking their lucky stars they avoided it in the last moment:
A man named Purnomo told TVOne in Surabaya of a lucky escape. "I should have been on the flight," he said. "We, seven people, had planned to go to Singapore for vacation but this morning I had an emergency. I had my passport in hand."
Tony Fernandes, chief of Malaysia's AirAsia, said he was heading to Surabaya. "My only thoughts are with the passengers and my crew. We put our hope in the SAR (search and rescue) operation and thank the Indonesia, Singapore and Malaysian governments," he said on Twitter.
Others were not so lucky:
Louise Sidharta was at Singapore's Changi Airport waiting for her fiancée to return from a family holiday. "It was supposed to be their last vacation before we got married," she said.
Some other known facts: the pilot of the missing plane had 20,000 hours of flying experience - 7,000 of which were with AirAsia. It has yet to be revealed if like the pilot of missing flight MH-370 he too had a flight simulator at home on which he was training landing at unexpected venues. As a reminder, 9 months later there is still no trace of the missing MH-370, which as we reported recently, a former airline CEO shocking claimed it was shot down by the US.
Below is the plane's full Flight Dispatch Release courtesy of Aviation Safety.
And the flight's Load and Trim Sheet:
That largely covers the facts. And now the unconfirmed speculation begins. According to a report in the Malaysian Insider, a family member claims receiving text message missing plane safe citing Indonesian news portal Detik.com
It reported from Surabaya that a family of a missing passenger received a glimmer of hope via a Blackberry Messenger (BBM) text. The portal quoted Intan, the sister of passenger Martinus Djomy as saying: "Kabarnya mendarat darurat di Belitung Timur, semua selamat. Tapi kita tetap butuh kepastian."
(We got word that that the plane made an emergency landing in Belitung Timur, everyone is safe. But we still need to be sure.)
Intan said she learned about this from a friend who sent her the text message via BBM. Her brother Martinus was travelling to Singapore with his wife, child and babysitter.
Detik.com reported that the piece of information was passed on to the authorities at the crisis centre in Juanda. The news portal added that unfortunately, there remains no confirmation from relevant authorities whether the information was accurate or otherwise.
In a separate story, Detik.com also quoted Nasional Search and Rescue Agency (Basarnas) Jakarta chief Sutrisno as saying that the agency's radar did not detect the flight's Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT).
He said the ELT would go off if there was impact or if the plane had gone under water.
"If the plane landed smoothly on water, it wouldn't have gone off, unless the device was not working. It didn't go off so Basarnas doesn't know its position now," Detik quoted him as saying.
According to a separate and largely contradictory report from IBT, a loud bang was reportedly heard by fishermen over Belitung Island at around 07:00 to 08:00 in the morning, Indonesian news website Bangka Tribun News reported.
"There are fishermen who heard the explosion, but not yet certain. Its location is near the island of Jackfruit," a member of Tagana Beltm told the website.
The flight was reportedly over the Java Sea between Kalimantan and Java islands when it lost contact.
However, the fishermen could not ascertain the source of the explosion and assumed that the bang came from within a five-mile radius between Coconut Island and Bird Bath Beach, Damar. Belitung is an island on the east coast of Sumatra, Indonesia, in the Java Sea.
The fishermen who were at sea engaged in their regular fishing activities near Coconut Island also claim that the explosion was quite powerful.
Considering the numerous unconfirmed reports that sprung up in the aftermath of the MH-370 disappearance, this is only the beginning.
More on the missing flight as we see it.
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They're all on "The Island" - Season 7 of Lost airing soon , where they battle the surviviors of the Malaysian flight for scarce resources.
But why would dead people need to fight over resources? I never understood tht part......spirits dont eat food.
On topic, does MA do flights over Ukrainian airspace at all? US Gubmint gotta give that failed flase flag another go.
FOLKS, Putin Did It...
I think the Ukes did it from the sister island of Jackfruit, namely Jackshit. They named it after their net worth.
In the meantime some oil burns
https://twitter.com/search?q=%20Al-Sidra&src=typd
My advice:
Stop flying Malaysia Airlines.
It is that simple.
Until Malaysia no longer claims the official 9/11-fairy tale was a lie and until they stop putting ZOG-leaders like Nethanjahu, Blair, Bush on trial for crimes against humanity.
Againstthelie
So, which Zionist do you want to put in charge to control and influence the behavior of the ignorant and stupid?
Give us one from the past….. you know….. with a track-record
Gee… I just realized that you can’t….. Because it doesn’t exist.
my advise :
you should STOP POSTING
+1000
I would love to never see the pic of that thing in its avatar again
I wonder if CNN had tos sponsor the hijacking, if they would make a profit with bump in revenue they get speculating endlessly for weeks.
Also, WTH is up with airplanes and Indonesia/Malaysia?
Isn't the prez hanging out down there about now ... must have a "message" to deliver?
Regards,
Cooter
I wonder how many flight simulators Pilot Abdul Mohammed Akbar has at home in his basement that show him practicing flying into something.
Mr Pink
Me too. It's pathetic avatar looks like Michael Jackson to me.
kind of reminds me of syd barrett
i sort of like it
If the inexplicable disappearance of Excreta is the one outcome from this tragedy...well, you know...glass half-full.
Escrava Kikeura,
-99999999
WILSON!!!!
The king of Prussia.....
Heuheuheuheuheu, I want all Goyims to stop searching for the truth. Huihuihuihuihuihui.
Maybe the pilots should try to completely open their eyes. No disrespect intended.(Ok, maybe a little.)
Ironic that the aforementioned Jackfruit Island is the Sotero family ancesteral home
Good news is the ocean depth is only about 150 feet in the Java Sea according to Google Earth
So they're in a submarine now like Airport '77 about a 747 that crashed and sank intact...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhEYw9WYDiM
The Singpore Triangle ?
"Singapore Triangle", is that anything like killer pussy?
Suspend the search because it's dark??? WTF The best time to search for a downed aircraft is after dark. The blinking strobes on the life rafts are visible for miles by pilots with light amplification devices.
The search and rescue team went home at 5:30PM sharp cuz they never stayed longer than 5:00 before. Those 30 extra minutes required a lot of willpowah to stay.
The search team had to drop their kids off at school, do the grocery shopping and watch the latest soap on TV. So they suspended the search.
That was the first thing I thought.
But if you don't want to find something, best to look in the wrong place and/or at the wrong time.
Anyone smelling an agenda?
Why don't they just look somewhere else where the lighting is better?
Beware the straight pubes!
That shit will kill a man.
Flightradar24 flight track data for QZ8501
Click on the tiny airplane button at right of flight data for flight track:
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/qz8501/#5240449
If it was as simple as the weather we'll have the answer soon.
But this, just like MH370, seems odd based on what's been disclosed thus far.
1. No transponder going off?
2. No distress signal?
When news broke yesterday jets should've been dispatched to FIR boundaries and potential alt flight paths, stat, just in case.
Just odd.
No military radar data either? Perhaps the Greys are getting good at this.
Incorrect Title: Search for Disappeared Air Asia Flight Suspended: Summary of the Facts So Far
Search for Disappeared Air Asia Flight Suspended: Summary of What We've Been Told So Far
Fixed it for ya!
That is an excellent point. What they tell us is what they want us to think, so we build therories with falsehoods.
Frame the debate and you've 'won'.
I once dated a gal who had NPR on 24/7. When I listened to it, I listened carefully for the framing. The masterful propagandists at NPR were very good at framing, very smooth.
Did she shave her pits?
The first thing I would ask is how many guys named "Mohammed" were in the filght crew. Depending on how you answer that raises or lowers the possibilities of what may have happened.
This is far beyond anything the Mohammed crowd could ever come up with. Even the ISIS perverts weren't of their making. Like the "disappearance" of the plane, it was the malicious mischief of the NWO street rats.
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Putin did it with his death star, or was it a monkey in a jungle.
Barry did it with a mis-cued bunker shot.
2014 actually was one of the safest years in aviation history. The perception to the contrary among the public illustrates the power of the media.
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First, flight MH370, now flight QZ8501. If the incompetent authorities don't find the wreckage of this Air Asia plane soon, there will be the start of a pattern indicating a troubling thought: target practice. In other words, the U.S. military testing new technology that can take over a plane's avionics, jam its communications and cause it to crash far off course. Conspiracy Theory stuff now operating in real time.
Wikipedia: "Typical range with 150 passengers for the A320-200 is about 3,300 nmi (6,150 km). It is powered by two CFMI CFM56-5s or IAE V2500s with thrust ratings between 113 to 120 kN (25,400 to 27,000 lbf). The lowest speed an A320 can fly is approximately 207 km/h."
Surabaya -> Singapore using Google Earth: less than 1400 km.
Surabaya -> Approximate Location of Losing Contact (somewhere near Pulau Belitung and the Java Sea -> Diego Garcia CIA Base South of Maldives : Below 5000 km
If the plane remains missing for another 40 hours, it should be investigated if the A320-200 can be remotely taken over like the Boeing 777 and flown to Diego Garcia like MH370.
someone with the ability to get even will strike back...
you can only kill so long before a rambo emerges...
Rambo, Rambo, wherefor art thou?
Do not forget MH17.
How do we know that MH17 was not actually the MH370 aircraft?
There are so many things you shouldn't forget that it's hard to remember them all!
Agreed--this is starting to look like a nasty NWO habit--3 of a kind in less than a year. However, the authorities are not incompetent. If they were they would be found out in short order. The problem is that the real authorities--the shadow government or deep state--are criminally insane, have their own agenda with absolutely no fear of the law, and have everyone outside their accursed circle at risk of being pawned and killed in their vile games.
In theory, the wholly digital electronics control system, and the micro wave links to satellites, make it totally possible to highjack a plane, if the right people are doing the technical work.
Computers run every aspect of the flightsystem and communication links, so, like I said, it is possible.
Far-fetched, if not slightly outlandish.
IMO, the greatest issue/lie with these media stories is with the suggestion that huge commercial aircraft can 'disappear' in any sky on earth, what with all the spy satellites in orbit, as well as with GPS and all the myriad communication devices onboard, most of which even have redundant / independent power supplies.
So from the very beginning, these media stories of 'mysterious disappearances' are completely BOGUS. TPTB committed the crime without even creating a fall-guy for it, so instead they spin more BS, trying to make us forget the military satellites + etc.
Yes, the "disappear" excuse is indeed bogus. Things can disappear in fairy tales with the wave of a magic wand. These are not fairy tales, they are catastrophes and someone is covering up for the killers. Everything that moves in the air, on land, and underwater is tracked and the media knows it. Cars, phones, credit cards purchases, bank transactions, even library cards can be tracked.
So when they gawk into the camera and tell us that the plane disappeared they are telling us rotten fairy tales and assisting in the cover up. At the very least they should state that they don't know.
If the USS Donald Cook was disabled remotely by Russian jet to include Aegis Combat System last summer then the US is probably perfecting equivalent for Jets.
The Malayasian Government is somehow complicit - given they let the entire investigation be controlled by US and other NATO members for MH 17 -
This incident with no communcation as to Mayday by the pilots and if the transponder was turned off again like MH 370 then USA is involved
Diego Garcia systems location
Can't wait to see the comparison of the investigation of this disaster and the investigation of MH17 over Ukraine. Black boxes, flight recordings, tapes from the tower of the requests for path deviation, etc. I'm sure everything will be according to regulations. SARC OFF/
I would search Diego Garcia.
An Airbus 320 with 23,000 hours on the airframe ? It probably failed structurally. Airbus is not Boeing; and eventually metal fatigue does make itself known. On a short route basis, 23,000 hours might be too many t ake offs and landings; too many pressurization cycles. Never did like Airbus equipment.
There are C-130's outside my office door with 60,000 hours on their airframes, still hauling loads (and getting center wing box replacement for another 40,000 hours). Pure red herring.
All 3 of these birds have been Malaysian.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-charged-with-war-crimes-and-genocide...
It would be just like Israel to kill hundreds of innocent people in Old Testament style "revenge".
Will Malaysia be excluded from investigating the wreckage of this flight, if found?
All three have been jet aircraft flown by human pilots. You don't suppose it could be another animal group messing with us?
every flight is flown by humans. Not every flight is Malaysian. That 3 shot down or "disappeared "flights are ALL Malaysian has no logical relationship to your logically empty claim about humans flying all flights.
It's like saying we're all equally suspects of killing OJs wife because we, like him, have hands.
Good hasbara, as always, means poor logic.
In any event, I'm merely suggesting a possibility - not claiming to make a statement of fact. But you better believe that some Malaysians are discussing this possibility.
A statement of fact would be like... oh... Israel was involved in 911.
Or - Zionists have been planning to Balkanize the ME using American blood and treasure for decades:
See the difference?
I see you have an agenda to divide humans. I am not saying that you are from another group of animals. That would be a form of slander against that group without evidence.
Swing and a miss, Mr. Hasbara... your rejoinder failed to make any sense at all, which, I'll represent to you, typically signifies hasbara trolling. Are you using an old playbook?
Hasbara (2009 manual) - WikiSpooksWere you by hance editing the wiki entry on the USS Liberty "Incident" - what magnificent obfuscation of an obvious case of a failed false flag!
Wikipedia's Hasbara - WikiSpooksI'm on a mission to divide humans with empathy from psychopaths, and willing executioners of children.
This may be of some interest to you and your friends:
What the U.S. Elite Really Thinks About IsraelAs for 'false flags' generally - they are nothing new.
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=western_support_for_...
I think, you'll find, I'm better at this than you.
" Zionists have been planning to Balkanize the ME using American blood and treasure for decades:"
+ 1,000!
What's the cargo ? Gold? Scientists ? What?
Malaysia, a predominantly Muslim country, did not bow down to the Central bankers, are having to pay a price!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4
Do note that the Netanyahu regime does not represent all Israelis any more than the Obama regime represents all Americans.
True - but the Israeli public appears to be getting ready to move right - the "rebuild the temple" {for the 4th or 5th time, by the way lol} and expel the natives crowd...
to the delight of "Christian" Ziopaths, Messianic Jews, and Muslims who believe the antichrist will soon appear in Jerusalem.
I'd love to see an article, by someone more familiar with eschatology, going into the fact that the "AntiChrist" of Devil" of Islam is more or less the Messiah of the Orthodox Jews, and vice versa - while Zionized Christians are also eager for a final battle.
The eschatology of the idiotic Abrahamic faiths is behind much of the fuckery.
2017 = 5777.
A dangerous date.
Not all Jews do support the evil agenda? But where are the Jewish Harvard professors, overrepresented several hundred percent, that protest against what their tribe is committing?
Show me the media moguls, the hedge fund managers, the banksters, the movie directors, the Hollywood studios, the TV producers, the screenwriters, the journalists, all your imagined masses of Jews distancing themselfes from the satanic cult of the Chabad Lubavichers and from the racist state of Israel and the racist Jewish religion.
This primitive trick is getting a long grey beard!
Huihuihuihuihui.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/tyranny2.htm
Indonesia & Malayasia had better give up their gold, big brother ain't bluffing...
Maybe you mean Yamashita's gold.
Is that you Karen ?
Keep taking the meds, they may work eventually.
lol, that lady has some pretty fantastic stuff to say. Quite entertaining. She is controlled opposition I think though...
Derrfrebly, would have been suicided if any of her BS was true.
Had a relative who was a true schizo with five separate personas.
Hudes reminds me of her.
#QZ8501
What’s the background of AirAsia?
Missing AirAsia plane: strange parallels with MH370
The mysterious disappearance of AirAsia flight QZ8501 is the second case of its kind this year after MH370 vanished in March
LATEST NEWS on QZ8501
http://tersee.com/#!q=QZ8501&t=text
Air Asia is a Malaysian Carrier
"Air Asia is a Malaysian Carrier"
No - Indonesian. But on a positive note, they are now allowed to fly to the EU again after a 2 yr ban following a series of training/maintenance related crashes in 2007. If the pattern from then holds, they'll smoke 2 more on consecutive months before the monitoring regime is put back in place:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_a...
Indonesia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airlines_of_Indonesia
"The safety-related ban on Indonesian airlines fly to European Union countries has been partially lifted since 2009 with Garuda Indonesia, Airfast Indonesia, Mandala Airlines, Express Transportasi Antarbenua, Indonesia AirAsia and Batavia Air being taken off the list. On April 21, 2011 the EU lifted the ban of Cardig Air, Republic Express, Asia Link and Air Maleo - all being cargo carriers. The ban had been imposed after a string of accidents[6]"
But the photo of one of their planes being used by the media shows a Malaysian, not an Indonesian, flag on the fuselage.
Be happy they got the 'AirAsia' part right. But that was an Indonesia AirAsia flight. And the EU flight ban was for Indonesia AirAsia, not Malaysian AirAsia,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia_AirAsia
"PT. Indonesia AirAsia (operating as Indonesia AirAsia) is a low-cost airline based in Jakarta, Indonesia. It operates scheduled domestic, international services and is an Indonesian associate carrier of Malaysian low-fare airline AirAsia. Its main base is Soekarno-Hatta International Airport, Jakarta.[3] Until July 2010, Indonesia Air Asia, along with many Indonesian airlines, was banned from flying to the EU due to safety concerns. However the ban was lifted on July 2010"
carrying the Indonesian flag is for convenience.
the indonesian company is likely a subsidiary of a malaysian company.
the entreprenuer here is Fernandez, a Malaysian and a close supporter of ex-PM Mahathir.
Mahathir has been a thorn in the side of NWO and the US for decades.
Malaysian courts held trials on cheney and bush war crimes.
the currrent PM just did some private rounds of golf with Obumbler in Hawaii.
I read on FlyerTalk that Indonesian Air Asia is 49% owned by Air Asia (the Malaysian company) and the balance is owned by Indonesian nationals. I would assume, though I'm not sure, that the various subsidiaries of Air Asia likely swap planes in and out of the various fleets when needed.
Are golf courses a way to convey secretive information? Could it be that there were some nefarious communications in the untapped open air of the golf course relating to a missing flight QZ8501, or am I way out in left field?
From what I see so far, AirAsia is Malaysian not Indonesian. If true, there is a definite pattern here.
Parent company is Malaysian. Air Asia Indonesia is 49% owned by the parent and the balance is owned by Indonesian nationals.
The facts according to whom?
Not that anyone remembers, but when JFK Jr's plane took a sudden nosedive into the Atlantic, it was a random Air Force captain [forced into] spoutng facts and conclusions on national television before a civilian investigation was even underway.
You'll never see "the facts" the same way after you watch this expose:
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Legacy-II-John-Kennedy/dp/B00JRZ14UO/
There's at least a decent chance the Clintons were behind that, but we'll never know.
He also wanted to re-open an investigation into the murder of JFK - which would implicate LBJ, CIA and, you can bet - Israel.
Of course - Israel's involvement, as with 9/11 carries the double magickal protection of being able to use the sigils 'conspiracy theory' and 'anti-semitism' to preclude people from even beginning to simply look at the evidence then make a decision.
wink wink
Interested in more background facts on the JFK-commission? Search on Youtube for "Buchenwald dumb dumb portrayal of evil".
Amazing "coincidences"!
Counterpunch, Here's a list of politicos killed in aircraft. Can you name the one thing they don't have in common?
http://politicalgraveyard.com/death/aircraft.html
Aristotle Onassis' only son, Alexander, was killed in a plane crash and he always blamed the CIA for that.
Paul Wellstone and Mel Carnahan also died in plane crashes under odd circumstances.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/wellstonecarnahan
Look up Skolnick's History of Airplane Sabotage. Planes are routinely used to ff people because only kooks would believe they may have been tampered with.
and alaskan senator's father congressman Begich with congressman Hale Boggs.
or Clinton's Commerce Secretary.
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and for the anti-tinfoil hat-er, I was a pilot, used to read the NTSB accident reports monthly on small plane crashes. and yes, most are the result of pilot error.
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but you can run stats on air crashes vs. factors like important people air time, or perhaps important people at important times and I supsect you might find some odd things. I haven't done so, but for younger anti-tinfoil hat-ers here,
do you even know who Hale Boggs was? or what he was up to at the time of his crash?
Obvously you are just a wingnut, and not a pilot. If you had ever learned to fly---something that might have required your flight instructors to not see your personal lunacy, not been aware of your TCA and SSRI prescriptions---you would know what mistakes JFK, Jr. made in the fog off Martha's Vineyard, in a plane that was above his pilot skills (Saratoga).
Enjoy your madness. Own it. It's all you've got.
I'm a pilot.
Was.
What about that weird tarp?
You may want to take another look - whether or not the OP is off his or her meds.... [I don't assert that it "was" x or y, just that it may have been other than what the official story was - agnosticism, broadly speaking, is a state achieved by few....]
The JFK,Jr. story doesn't look right, either.
Chindit is just a Kike.
Oh where... Oh where....
Is that mult-million dollar Next Generation Air Surveillance system that could find a two-hundred million dollar commercial airliner anytime and anywhere on the planet FOR YOUR SAFETY?!!!
Oh thats right! We had other priorities!!!
Just cause sometimes the powers that be don't want that two-hundred million dollar commerical airliner found "anytime" and "anywhere" on the planet!
Better yet, I'm sure our military can track any type of missile launched pretty much anywhere in the world, but do we really think they can't track a much slower moving airliner? Hmmmm....
Not unless they were watchinhg the radar and saw it disappear.
Now, they may have radar tracking stored digitally they can rewind and look for the plane.
I would guess the USN, Royal Navy, PRC Navy may have assets in the area.
It is quite near the Malacca Strait; plenty of tanker traffic in the area.
Better yet, I'm sure our military can track any type of missile launched pretty much anywhere in the world, but do we really think they can't track a much slower moving airliner? Hmmmm....
The bigger issue of the content of the two reports I posted in my comment is that SBS ADS-B system would give every international carrier situational awareness of their aircraft that they currently don't have with the obsolete radar tracking they have been using for the last 55 years or more.
If you read the assessment from 2011 and 2014 you'll discover how bogus the FAAs evaluation criteria on the effectiveness of the SBS system is and the reason(s) they provide for it not being ready for "prime time" -because of too much data...!
I can think of two very significant reasons this year alone why funding to complete a new investigation into the current architecture for developing an international SBS surveillance system worldwide that would require buy-in from every U.S., European, African and Asian Country are in order.
Much like the U.S. network communications corporations and NSAs control of the worldwide internet, new security control service standards and regulations will need to be agreed upon and enforced so that no one County has predominate control over what goes into it without rules and buy-in from it's individual members to ensure it's integrity from being sabotaged either from inside or outside.
What the hell's going on over there? I'm embarassingly ignorant of that part of the world. I know that's some of the most densely populated area. There must be a lot of air travel, and I don't have much trouble imagining standards we'd consider unacceptable in the US. The Ukraine incident has been pretty well cleared up by the total news blackout; the Ukies obviously shot it down in a botched false-flag. But MH-370 and this one? Something weird is going on. Even if it's not a sinister conspiracy, something is weird. They eventually did figure out what was going on with Air France flight over the South Atlantic. That they haven't found a scrap of MH-370, and aren't sure about this one; that's weird.
That part of the world has a bunch of radical Muslims as well but the MSM never reports it.
Yeah the MSM is super relucant to report on Muslim extremism, unlike the activities of Jewish extremists in the OPT - which they cover relentlessly.
Indeed, Jewish extremism. Like defending yourself against what you call "Muslim extremists".
In any event both figments of a colorful imagination. There is no such thing as a Muslim extremist. There are only devout Muslims and apostates.
Haha, lookit the financial markets, you'll see Talmud Extremism every day!
"There must be a lot of air travel, and I don't have much trouble imagining standards we'd consider unacceptable in the US."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia_AirAsia
"PT. Indonesia AirAsia (operating as Indonesia AirAsia) is a low-cost airline based in Jakarta, Indonesia. It operates scheduled domestic, international services and is an Indonesian associate carrier of Malaysian low-fare airline AirAsia. Its main base is Soekarno-Hatta International Airport, Jakarta.[3] Until July 2010, Indonesia Air Asia, along with many Indonesian airlines,"
for the larger conglomerate....
"AirAsia operates with the world's lowest unit cost of US$0.023 per available seat kilometers (ASK) and a passenger break-even load factor of 52%. It has hedged 100% of its fuel requirements for the next three years, achieves an aircraft turnaround time of 25 minutes, has a crew productivity level that is triple that of Malaysia Airlines, and achieves an average aircraft utilisation rate of 13 hours a day.[4]"
You pays your money and you takes your chances....
Never, ever climb to avoid thunderstorms. A thunderstorm will always significantly lower the effective service ceiling of your aircraft. When you exceed the effective service ceiling, it is no longer possible to accelerate or climb. The correct move is to descend, but the pilot generally does not realize he is over the true ceiling. Same as Air France.
And what is the effective service ceiling ? Determined by air density ?
When you keep trying to go up, but you keep going down, you've reached the effective service ceiling. Phrased another way: "Who is buried in Grant's tomb?"
Hey, what are you doing here? You sound like you have some knowledge of flying. That kind of stuff just gets in the way of fantasy and delusion, and has no place on this site. Here it's all conspiracy and clickbait, or it's nothing at all. If you cannot find a malevolent entity behind this disaster, you are simply out of place here at Whackjob Central. The moonbats had this whole thing solved with the first report of a downed aircraft. By tomorrow they'll have a hundred LINKS, and "expert" opinions from people who share their affliction.
You're protesting.
Perhaps too much.
You're actually not required to read or post here, Mr. 5 years +.
Ah, but he is required to post here. His employers demand it. Otherwise certain compromising videos get released.
unfortunately, emotional and intellectual dysfunction is just as common outside the msm
The bullshit in this thread cracks me up.
Who says that is what happened here? Or that they were anywhere near their ceiling?
As I understand it, AF447 could not climb over the storm they encountered as it was too high nor go under as it was almost down to ground level and too wide to go round. They had little option but to go thru it. That caused them to encounter super-cooled water which froze up the pitot tubes blocking air access to measure air speed. That caused the flight control computers to shut down. The pilots then encountered at least one stall but were not trained in how to deal with them.
A Cessna has pitot tube heaters.
Maybe Cessna pitot tubes are what Airbus advised airlines to retrofit after AF447 (!)
Smaker is corret about the pitot tube icing in the AF447 accident. Airbus had a known problem with the Thales produced tubes. There was some loss of the Flight Control Computers (it has 5 in total, 3 PRIMs and 2 SECs (primary / secondary), and the aircraft did downgrade its flight control system in Alternate Law (Airbus has 3 levels of automation Normal Law, Alternate Law & the lowest direct Law). However, the pilot flying made a mistake and pitced the aircraft up & stalled (not possible in Normal Law) because he had poor training and was inexperienced.
Previous Airbus training basically had no unusual attitude training because in Normal Law the aircraft will recover itself from an unusual attitude. This coupled with AB's philosophy of "if in trouble pull back" [the automation will give you low speed protection and full thrust] set the crew up when the aircraft went into Alternate Law. I never saw Alternate Law in 4 years / 3000 hours flying the A330 except in the simulator.
pitot heat is probably first thing on the pre take off check list right up there with cabin pressure and emergency hydraulic pumps.
The pitot heat was on. The thing will let you know prior to takeoff that the pitot heat isn't on via ECAM. The Thales tubes fitted had a known problem with the drain holes resulting in insufficient drainage & temporary freezing /blockage in high moisture environments (CB tops as they crossed the ITCZ in the case of AF447). The blockage was transient, but enough for the automation to degrade to alternate law.
It was a bit worse than that. They wound up in a manual flight mode (alternate law) on 447, due to pitot ice-over. However, they ignored and misinterpreted persistent stall alarms. Thinking they were in the primary, stall-limiting flight mode of the aircraft, the co-pilot (who I believe was in control of the airplane at the time) held the stick back for max altitude. In alternate law, the airplane would have kept dropping speed. The evidence is that the plane hit the water with the engines at full rotation.
Correction: pilot MAY not realize he is up against the ceiling, particularly if there is an instrumentation problem, which can be caused by sensor ice-over in thunderstorms.
Well, Israel immediately blamed Iran, and various outlets published pictures of a twin of the first missing plane in an Israeli hangar. As with the Uk. shoot down, the MSM, largely Zionist controlled, ran with the ball in the total absence of evidence. There was a theory involving a Rothschild and a Chinese chip company, but that seems to have been bullshot although 'who' or 'what' is on the planes may well be of more importance than their Malayasian flag per se.
I'm sure we'll never know for sure.
Well, Israel immediately blamed Iran
known as SOP
http://www.worldbulletin.net/news/151567/libyas-daily-oil-output-halved-... in Libya.......
What ever happened to delaying a flight due to severe weather? They knew damn well the extent of the weather. My arse would never had boarded the plane in extreme weather. People have truly become zombies.
The problem is not the weather. If it crashed due to weather there would be some debris by now. The whole thing is just too convenient. Plane "vanishes" off radar, then "disappears" without a trace. At the very least the radar technicians need to take a really close look at their equipment.
Let's see after a new day in the search. I would not rule out te weather in combination with pilot error.
AF447 was found in 37 hours from lost contact. In the middle of the atlantic. Dont hold your breath.
'Twas Chiner!
Nothing like a terrible tragedy to bring out the nutcases.
What would ZH comment threads contain if you removed all the batshit crazy?
Just the jew hatred?
Right Bambu, as a chosenite I am extremely offended that how can the goys have opinions. They must be batshit crazy. Now I am going to jerk off to the pics of burnt Palestinian and other goy childrend in retaliation. We will meet in our chosen lands someday.Huihuihuihui.
Agree, ZH trolls have been most agressive lately with their sensationalism and conspiracy.
the famous coconut island trading club comes to my mind
All CNN employees please report to the flight simulator for season 2 of Missing Plane, Mind Fuck The Sheep... Here we go again
it was obviously done by one of Putin's oligarchs.
Don't even worry about it.
How about that local sports team?
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U.S. Social-Media Giants Are Resisting Russia Censors Facebook, Twitter, Google Wrestle With Kremlin Orders to Erase Content Associated Press BySam Schechner and Gregory White
Updated Dec. 26, 2014 7:02 p.m. ET
Facebook Inc., Twitter Inc. and Google Inc. have started resisting Russian government orders to remove information about a rally next month in support of opposition leader Alexei Navalny, raising the prospect of a showdown over the Kremlin’s efforts to control online information.
In response to a request from Russian prosecutors, Roskomnadzor, the country’s communications regulator, began issuing block orders for Russia just hours after the Moscow rally was publicized on social media late last week, officials said. Facebook honored the initial order last weekend and blocked a page promoting the event, but others were quickly created, attracting more attention.
Since then, Facebook has left the other pages promoting the rally active in Russia, including one that shows more than 32,000 users indicating they will attend. Facebook lawyers are reviewing a growing number of Russian government removal requests, according to a person familiar with the matter.
Twitter Inc. confirmed that it has received multiple directives since last week from Russian authorities to remove tweets and accounts that promote the rally, citing a prosecutorial order under Russian federal law. But a Twitter spokesman said the company has “not removed the content they specified,” and has been forwarding the government orders to users to warn them.
Google Inc.’s YouTube still has videos promoting the rally available on its Russian site, despite the government’s directives.
A spokesman for Roskomnadzor said the prosecutors’ order to block rally content “will be fulfilled,” but declined to offer details on how. “We’re talking to everybody differently,” he said. The blocks don’t usually affect users outside Russia.
Currently under house arrest, Mr. Navalny is a lawyer and anticorruption activist who is now one of the most prominent figures in Russia’s beleaguered opposition. He has been charged with fraud in a case that he and his supporters say is an effort to pressure him for his political activity. Prosecutors are seeking a 10-year sentence and deny any political motivation.
The prominence of the Navalny case has put a spotlight on these U.S. tech giants in Russia at a time of growing East-West tensions. Their resisting of legal orders signals a potential worsening of relations with the Kremlin, which has often accused U.S. Internet companies of being used as tools to undermine governments deemed unfriendly by WashingtonRussian officials deny the Internet curbs are aimed at silencing critics.
Until now, companies have often complied with Russia’s legal orders to remove content, rather than risk a government blackout. But the firms have become more wary as the government has given itself new powers to regulate the Internet. And the very public nature of this episode leaves the U.S. tech companies facing a dilemma.
On one hand, cooperation with governments like Russia’s risks damaging their reputation among users, and goes against the libertarian values of Silicon Valley. But U.S. Internet firms need to expand in large markets to meet the growth expectations that have raised their valuations to stratospheric levels.
A Facebook page promoting a coming rally in Russia where more than 32,000 users have indicated they will attend. Facebook
Similar tensions played out this year in Turkey, where the government demanded the removal of content on Twitter and YouTube that alleged government corruption. Twitter and YouTube resisted some of the requests, leading the government to temporarily block them across the country.
“These companies don’t want to block anything. But on the other hand, they need to protect their employees and protect their advertiser base. Both of those things come under threat if they stand up against the government,” said Ethan Zuckerman, director of the Center for Civic Media at Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
Roskomnadzor said the block orders came under a new law passed early this year that allows prosecutors to order sites blocked without getting court orders if they are suspected of extremism or include calls to join public demonstrations that haven’t been sanctioned by the authorities. That law has been used to block a number of opposition news and information sites this year, but the latest orders seem to be the first involving planned protests.
The protest is timed to coincide with the scheduled verdict in the fraud case against Mr. Navalny. Investigators opened another criminal fraud case involving the wife of a Navalny ally who is also facing criminal charges.
Facebook’s initial block sparked a wave of criticism. Michael McFaul, former U.S. ambassador to Moscow, wrote on Twitter on Dec. 20, “We all make mistakes. @facebook should correct theirs in Russia asap. Current action—horrible precedent & bad for business.”
Facebook declined to comment on the criticism, but the tweet drew a response from Russian parliamentarian Mikhail Degtyaryov, who told the RIA-Novosti state news agency, “McFaul should be quiet and Facebook should obey Russian laws. We know what happens to countries that don’t limit extremist activity online—that’s the ‘Arab Spring’…Russia doesn’t need that.”
The blocking nevertheless generated publicity for the rally, emboldening Navalny allies.
“The Prosecutor General, Roskomnadzor and Facebook with their actions clearly helped us,” wrote one ally, Leonid Volkov, in a blog post last weekend. About 12,000 people had signed up in Facebook on the first page flagging the rally before it was blocked, while more than 15,000 signed up on the replacement page in the first day, Mr. Volkov wrote.
Russia’s Internet crackdown dates in part to 2011, when mass protests against then Prime Minister Vladimir Putin erupted on the streets of Moscow. Authorities equipped themselves with a legal arsenal initially aimed at blocking content about drugs and suicide, but the list of topics has since expanded steadily to include “extremist” content and other categories.
Russia also passed a law that requires Russian bloggers to register with authorities if they have more than 3,000 daily visitors. In a meeting in Moscow this month, Twitter told authorities that authorities that it can’t turn over data on users to see if they meet that threshold because it doesn’t collect data in that format, according to people familiar with the meeting.
In recent months, the company also added a “verified” logo to Mr. Navalny’s Twitter account—which has 858,000 followers—to indicate the company confirms its authenticity.
Russia’s most popular social network, VKontakte, has also made a decision to refrain from further blocking information about the rally in support of Mr. Navalny, a person close to the company said. The person said that following block orders from Roskomnadzor would create an unfair competitive advantage for foreign social networks and turn people away from VKontakte.
Meanwhile, pro-Kremlin activists are planning a protest outside the U.S. Embassy in Moscow on Sunday, alleging that Twitter has unfairly blocked their accounts after complaints from users in Ukraine citing their anti-Kiev posts. City authorities have granted a permit for that protest.
“We suspend accounts that violate our rules, which prohibit direct, specific threats of violence against others,” the Twitter spokesman said.
—Olga Razumovskaya contributed to this article.
You do realize, since you are such an obvious zioshill, that nobody even bothers to read your drivel, don't you?
Kind of a waste of your time mate, unless you get paid, which is likely.
So this is the fault of Putin or Obama or the Jews or China or OWS. Typical ZH. I hope you all got new tin foil hats for xmas.
You forgot the neo-Zionist banksters ;-)
Why on Earth is Russia censoring news on the Internet?
Is it because it fears a coup, or that Vlad will be turned out of office?
We he be forced to live with a sympathetic Zero Hedger?