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Ukraine's Largest Nuclear Power Plant Suffers 2nd Emergency Shutdown In 3 Weeks
Following a reported "minor" accident three weeks ago, Ukraine's Zaporizhia nuclear power plant, Europe's largest and the 5th biggest in the world, was shutdown. The 'glitch' it appears has reoccurred as RT reports, one of the reactors at the Zaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant has automatically shut down. Causes are still being investigated.
- *UKRAINE’S LARGEST NUCLEAR PLANT REPORTS EMERGENCY SHUTDOWN: RT
As RT reports,
One of the reactors at the Zaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant has automatically shut down after a glitch. This is the second halt in operations in recent weeks at the plant in Ukraine’s southeast, which covers at least one fifth of the country’s power needs.
“Unit 6 at Zaporizhzhya NPP was disconnected from the network by the automatic system that prevents damage to the generator. The reactor is running at 40 percent of nominal power,” the plant’s official website says stressing that radiation at the facility is equal to the natural background, which is 8-12 microroentgen/hour.
This accident took place on Sunday morning at 05:59 am local time (03:59 GMT). Causes are still being investigated, while the Energy Ministry hopes to restart the unit in the coming days. The remaining five reactors continue to generate an estimated 4,530 MW.
The previous incident at Zaporizhia NPP happened on November 28, but the fact went public five days later, when Ukraine’s Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk revealed it during the first session of his new cabinet.
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Of course, there is no way to actually know what is happening on the ground as the NPP is located close enough to the "fog of war", that its status, and updates thereof, could merely be part of the fog of war. That said, if there is an unspoken message here by Ukraine, which recently handed over its gold to unknown "Western" interests, and suddenly feels neglected by its western allies (as its central bank head is about to find out personally), it is targeted directly at the IMF: "hand over more loans, or the nuclear power plant gets it."
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Which raises the following question...
#Zaporizhia IS it logical to have Nuclear Power Plants in an UNSTABLE, financially BROKE Country? @DrHCaldicott pic.twitter.com/OzJuDLqpth
— MP Garza (@mpgarza2012) December 4, 2014
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they are trying to replace russian nuclear rods with US made wich are incompatible with USSR reactors technology
more detail and references, please
this is old news
http://rt.com/news/fuel-nuclear-plant-ukraine-038/
several years ago Chechs tried to use the same rods at their Temelin nuclear power plant and had an incident.
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-04-732_en.htm?locale=FR
After that they switched back using russian made rods compatible with USSR reactors tech
Seems a more cogent argument that Kiev stomping its feet for more financial aid
Hah, Russian reactors can't use American fuel rods, but Russian rifles can use American ammo.
Might be design complexities or it might be thinking ahead!
Regardless, this is the joy of nuke power ... using the damn things after political/societal shit falls apart ...
Regards,
Cooter
Hopefully the wind blows to the West when the 3rd Chernobyl blows.
Damnit Vlad, will you please stop messing with Ukraine?
Damnit Barry, will you please stop messing with Ukraine?
There, fixed it for you.
Sorry that wasn't dripping enough for you
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Rabbit hole depth estimate = [FAIL]
Remember what the doormouse said.
I've never been against nuclear power on principal alone. It seems a good logical way to make power without carbon production. But, you are right, nuclear power has at it's base one single assumption. That war and chaos will not sweep over the areas where nuclear plants are operating. Nor will unprecedented natural disasters occur where these plants sit. At one time societies and governments felt safe enough from these threats, to build plants at will. Now that much time has passed, the law of averages is catching up with nuclear power plants. War is approaching them in places, and time is bringing the unprecedented natual disasters we felt safe to discount.
Sooner than later the Pacific Northwest will have the overdue Mega Thrust Undersea Earthquake that happens every few hundred years as the plates subduct off the coast of Wsahington State and up and down that coast. Are the nuclear plants out west immune, or safely positioned? I do not know, but I hope they are.
What pisses me off the most about it, is peoples assumption of nuclear "power". THere is no such thing as nuclear "power" as radioactivity brought about by rapid decay of isotopes does not create electricity but heat.
There is no such thing as nuclear power, only steam powered turbines.
Stoopid fucking monkies think its a great idea to boil water with Uranium. G$d help us all.
Ever hear of horse power? Power is work or energy divided by time. A nuclear event can pack plenty of power.
It's encouraging to see that the Ukes learned from their Chernobyl experience...because that ended well.
I'm sure we can trust them to tell the truth.
Yats the Yid is clearly in this because he cares do much about the next generation of children.
Jack Burton, Thorium reactors are a good alternative relative to other types of nuclear reactors in terms of safety and non production of Transuranics. Of course the USSA does not like this because we need plutonium to create high yield kill weapons.
http://www.whatisnuclear.com/articles/thorium.html
"There is no such thing as nuclear power, only steam powered turbines"
Coal power. Wind power. Water power.
Power is energy consumed per unit time. X power is understood to be X as the commonly recognizable source of the energy.
We can all be obtuse and say 'strong nuclear force power' or 'gravitational force power'. But since we buy and sell oil/coal/uranium, and the infrastructure for obtaining energy from each is different, maybe 'obtuse' is not the best approach.
I dont think I explained muh frustrations well enough. Nuclear power is sold as magic to the public, where as people have the false belief that Uranium somehow produces electricity, which it does not. It creats heat during decay which technically is "power" obviously, but it isnt electricity.
Electricity is created by the boiling of water with the Uranium which in turn powers the turbines and causes them to spin, then the copper brushes created static electricity which is stored in capacitors and so on and so forth.
Nuclear "energy" is no different than wind turbines creating electricty or Hydro Elecric power like they have in Ontario thanks to Niagra falls.
Thats what I am trying to say. Nuclear power dosent create electricity, it creates heat, which creates steam and so on and so forth. Its basically "creating" electricity with 150 year old technology....
Hey....let's not go knocking new ways of moving a conductor through a magnetic field. Yes.....AC current isn't exactly new tech. But people like it, especially when it's cold or it keeps their oxygen concentrators working.
If anyone has a plan to arrange crystals in a meaningful way to spin a turbine, I'm all for it. Short of that, heating water and directing the vapor works for me. Energy is harder to come by than complaints about it.
I get that. I really do, my coplaints are with the nuclear industry and the way they portray nuclear power. THey make it seem as though Uranium just sits around making electricity, which is doesnt do. It sits around and creats heat, two entirely different things altogether. The way that heat is harnessed is what creates electricity not Uranium itself. I think if that was explained to people a little better peoples veiwpooint on nuclear power would change.
Basically it is a very high risk high reward way to harness heat to boil water and I am sure there are far better ays to do it than with nuclear. Hell, I would prefer coal over nuclear as it is low risk high reward. Neither are very good for the environment, however the selling point of nuclear is that its a "clean" energy. Clean as being described as something youcant smell or see with the human eye.
However, human beings must constantly be in control of nuke plants for them to remain viable and thats where it begind to be a very dicey proposition. Take Fukushima for example; here we are facing 100's of years of pollution into the Pacific Ocean unabated and continuous poisoning of a body of water. But the water isnt where radiation collects, due to it being naturally shielded by salt, instead it colects primarily in plankton as shown by recently declassified reports from the US gubmint. In fact it has been shown that radiation collects at nearly 1000x in plankton as compared to the water that it lives in. Then you have the problem that can cause in the food chain, not to mention plankton making up a tremendous amount of oxygen for planet Earth.
If I were part of an Alien Invasion on planet Earth I would use Nuclear Power, knowing full well that after I raped the planet for all its worth, the aftermath of what I had wrought just isnt my problem.
In short, Nuclear Power is great if you have somewhere else to go, but as it stands we dont. To put it another way, dont shit where you eat.
Ever hear of nuclear battteries? They use them in deep space probes and satellites etc.. Voyager has them onboard and they are still kicking the absolute bejeesus out of the energizer bunnies ass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator
Note that the Military is currently working on nuclear batteries:
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/powering-the-militarys-future-batteries...
and a new water based nuke battery for cell phone and other applications.
http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/New-Commercial-Nuclear...
No glitch. It's inflation, dummies.
The problem is that the nuclear fuel does not operate on a human time scale.
The worst of the fission products (Cesium and Strontium) are effectively gone in 600 years (20 half-lives or ~1/10^6) but how many human-built things from 600 years ago are still intact?
And of course, our descendants for the next 600 years won't mind tending all the plants and waste sites, without benefitting from the power they produced over about the first 100 years.
"The problem is that the nuclear fuel does not operate on a human time scale.
The worst of the fission products (Cesium and Strontium) are effectively gone in 600"
Ground was broken on St Peter's Bassilica in 1506. It was completed in 1626......still get's maintained. Occasionally visited.
Not everything must be begun and ended within one man's lifetime.
I am sure that St Peter's Bassilica still returns a profit from its continued existence. Don't think the same thing will apply to nuclear waste and abandoned reactors.
No the profit is realized when you free the neutrons. The waste is, long before the permits are granted, an understood and accepted cost.
"an understood and accepted cost"
that nobody wants to pay once the profit motive is gone.
Pretty sure St. Petes does not contain Uranium or Plutonium. Pretty sure the pyramids don't either.
"Pretty sure the pyramids don't either."
But that is an intriguing possibility.
Have you read Christopher Dunn's or Joseph Farrell's works on the Giza "power plant"? Interesting premises...
OK, so now assume that the old Basilica changed into a toxic dump in 1606. No longer visited, and not making money. The maintenance budget pilfered by hucksters some time in the 1500s.
But it still needs to be maintained. Forever.
Keep in mind, nuclear security. Plutonium 239 has a half-life of 24,000 years. Once those other dangerous mateials have decayed, it will be much safer for someone to loot the plutonium to make nuclear weapons. If, of course, the technology and infrastructure exist to do so.
That only makes the problem worse. I was trying to keep it simple for this, umm, eclectic audience.
What language were your forbears speaking 24,000 years ago? Or how about 480,000 years (20 half lives)?
It's one hell of a way to boil water....
*not mine
Convenient excuse for cutting power to Crimea and stomping their feet for more cash from U.S. and E.U. taxpayers.
Kiev's Parliament this past week renounced neutral status (non-alignment) as a step towards joining NATO.
Oh sure, that will go over well. I wouldn't be surprised to see China get in the fray if NATO tries to get into Ukraine and have a Black Sea NATO base in Odessa. Unwise move by Kiev and the West to say the least.
I'll bet there are going to be some nail-biting sessions at the UN early in January. The thought of a peacekeeping force led by China +77 to turn Ukraine into a DMZ crossed my mind. Very sticky wicket!
I can understand the anger and frustration directed at Russia from the families of the victims but everyone has to get their 'T's crossed and their 'i's dotted (think MH17). They need to try to remember Russia is not the one shelling the Eastern Ukraine. I know, "Be patient" is easy for me to say : (
testing international law, 1,2,3. Testing...
R.F. Nuclear tech and plants are much better .
e.g. Chernobyl.
Worth noting: the radiation from Cesium and Strontium out of Chernobyl is now down to about ½ as much as right after the accident. So it has gone from "off the scale" to only "halfway off the scale" whatever that is. Probably still pretty toxic in parts of the exclusion zone.
That wasn't me by the way. The thread seems to be infested by a nattering nabob...
And I have no doubt the RF designs are better. They've had a lot of time and experience to improve them. Chernobyl was already obsolete in 1986, but was still being used as a breeder.
The problem is that the planet still has hundreds of these aging rustbuckets (more like Fukushima than Chernobyl) from the 50s and 60s, and it's just a matter of time until they are damaged in some way. And when that happens, they tend to catch fire and worse.
You mean the tungsten filled ones?
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Darth Soros to "John(s)" Kerry and Brennan...
Hurry the the fuck up you two and "getter done"!
I can't keep 30 year T's propped up with the disconnected and incoherent slogan "backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government" much longer!!!
Stuxnet flexing it's tentacles prior to Fukushima Zaporizhia melt down, to be blamed on Russian separatists no doubt. That Putin, look what he's done now.
Nothing like a *real* emergency to bring inline all euroites to Kiev's beckon call and obviously lead on to something more agressive against Russia.
Rebel forces in Donetsk have been warning for over a month now that a flase flag nuclear event is being planned by Kiev to force the NATO forces to corss into Ukraine and stablize the Junta in Kiev's control. Anything nuclear, like this plant failing, could prompt western forces to invade to protect the plant and secure it for western technicians to correct it's failures. Think about it. It is the perfect cover for NATO to move in as security. Then NATO would truely own all of West Ukraine, and Russia could never do a thing about it. I think this is so tempting to Kiev and Washington, that it must be under consideration as the perfect coup.
In that case, Russia is the one that needs to -- nay, MUST be the one to move in for the exact same reasons that NATO would give.
If Putin and Russia keep playing pure defense, and keep being REactive, they are toast. The US imperialism and its Full Spectrum Dominance will NEVER EVER NEVER cease, until it achieves its global objective: Conquer Russia and control its vast resources, and thus put an economic stranglehold on China.
Until that happens, the US will use China as the Useful Fool to keep Russia on a leash, because China has a Blind-spot: its cultural mentality is to maintain a course of avoiding direct confrontation between super powers; China's Oligarchs, who have extremely strong influence in it government, will opt for safeguarding their own wealth and profits, rather than back Russia in a fight with NATO.
My analysis is that Russia will run out of time and options against US/NATO aggression, before any expected monetary wars dethrone King Dollar. IOW... NATO will march into Ukraine, and Putin will do nothing but huff & puff, because he is being held back by his Oligarchs (who are are deluded by their own greed plus hope, which is beating their sense of the End Game), and also held back by the Chinese. This is a strategic and pivotal PsyOps play that the US is playing and winning so far.
I hope he does something strategic to turn the tide, but until he does, I have to give the Match so far to the US imperialists, on points.
p.s. As speakers on Radio Sputnik have stated... Putin's PR works well on Russians, but needs a complete and extreme makeover for Western and US consumption. Bear in mind that his PR war has two fronts: Domestic and Foreign. Time to amp up the Global PR, or let the US dictate the Western talking points and perceptions.
I'm sure the EU population will be licking their lips at the prospect of being served a large slice of bankrupt-Neo-nazi-failed-state-cake smeared with nuclear-disaster-icing. They just need to place a cherry on top comprising of full-blown Washington-initiated-civil war re-erupting that risks a continent-wide hot war between multiple nuclear-armed parties.
Ode to Joy.
"MP Garza" should update his map, because Crimea is no longer part of Ukraine.
It never was part of Ukraine. The putative 1954 transfer from Russia was, it turns out, unconstitutional as a Soviet Union act, so Ukraine was an illegal occupier for many years under international law.
This is all true, and fact. But the west will never recognize it as such. Crimea was the big prize NATO felt was in it's grasp. So much so that the US Navy already had the plans drawn up for it's new naval and air bases in the Crimea. I am sure the Air Force had it's air bases and missile bases already drawn up and ready for construction. Do not underestimate how big a loss this was to NATO. They felt Crimea would be THE place from which Russia would be destroyed by a coordinated nuclear attack.
+100
Crimea was the keystone to attacking Russia on many different levels, including military, economic, and cultural. Instead Putin out foxed the Neocons. plus the Chabad jews that were planning to turn Crimea into their new Khazaria.
THe USSA will use every filthy trick to remove Russia from Crimea. They will, of course, fail.
Meanwhile the dumbass western Ukies will believe that the EU/USSA are there to help them, LOL!
Henry Hall the Rada is 'proposing' that the 1954 transfer was illegal retrospectively, if it does
then Ukraine could say that the Budapest memorandum of 1994 of which Russia amongst other
signatories agreed the integrity of Ukrainian boundaries give or take Crimea, could be deemed
illegal retrospectively. Just give them back the Nukes............. Fat chance
Maybe you need to check a map; Zaporizhia is not in Crimea, it is in Zaporizhia Oblast.
A better question is, what does MP Garza recommend? Should the nuclear power plants be relocated somewhere else? How exactly does MP Garza suggest this is possible?
...and to make up for the loss they'll just cut off electricity to the "rebels" in the east/south-east.
Hey, maybe the West should send in George Soros to run the plant? Rumors are floating that he's being considered for the head of the Ukraine central bank. The way this story developed and the nature of the sources suggest to me that we're looking at a "trial balloon." No doubt, it will be shot down. But still... You just can't make this stuff up. -- Eric
--
Soros As Kiev’s Central Banker And Ridiculous US Laws – F. William Engdahl
http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=262107
The root problem with the Ukraine NPPs is that they are essentially Soviet constructions and are nearing the end of their design life. Maintenance of the reactors has been kept up and could perhaps be life extended because Rosatom has been in charge of that. But deferred maintenance on the rest of the plant - turbines, transformers etc. makes them increasingly unreliable and expensive to maintain.
Basically the Ukraine grid is going to come down because it is beyond being renovated as fast as it deteriorates. Coal and electricity supplies from Russia will only slow that process, but the grid is coming down unless the West invests megamegabucks in renovation and the money does not get looted. Ulikely on both counts.
Then it's time to accelarate the aging process, aka "Accelerated Aging".
Kiev w/o power is perfect for another color revolution, and will keep their minds and bodies occupied on the basics of life, rather than on the ideological concepts of Secession by a bunch of Russians in E. Ukraine.
"Grab them by the balls, and their hearts and minds will follow" - proverb
Hi Noben - actually it was General William Westmoreland, CG of US forces in Vietnam, who said that when he was asked by a reporter what he thought of the new "Win the hearts & minds of the Vietnamese People" campaign being launched by factions in the US who believed that we couldn't shoot and bomb our way to victory.
Neither approach worked.
Could be just the beginning of hollwcost ll, but who cares? No one is concerned with the slow kill of fuckyushima anymoar, so why bother with this what could be yet another babylonian plot to kill off millions moar of those who are east of this nightmare?
Meanwhile for the gold stacker’s:
"Rob McEwen, chairman and chief owner of McEwen Mining Inc. (TSX:MUX)(NYSE:MUX) told Kitco News that he expects gold to reach US$2,000 an ounce by the end of 2015, with that figure linked to less supply on the horizon. "We've seen a lot of the gold that went into the ETFs and this hoarding that occurred from 2005 to 2011, a lot of it has come out," McEwen said. "ETF gold was a multiple or two of annual production at certain points during that period, and that gold has come out of the ETFs and gone to Asia. "So, the next time gold runs, there�s not as much gold available," he said. "The supply of gold has been curtailed both through cutbacks and development projects � so there�s going to be a gap in production that could be three to five years long before it�s properly addressed."
http://libertyfight.com/2014/gold_2000_ounce_in_2015_mining_CEO_looming_...
Extra credit:
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/false-flagging-the-world-towards-war-th...
Two words you never want to hear together: nuclear and accident. Blinky, save us!
Lucky for us these things arent dangerous. I for one cant wait for the day where there is a nuclear power plant located on every body of water, river and coastline in the entire world!
Nuclear "Power" for the survival of the human species! Hoorah!!!!
Remember when the US and Israel stuxnetted the fuck out of Iran's nuclear power plant? Yeah, it's like that.
What the Western Media will NOT tell you is the story of the complete collapse of Ukraine. It is going on in real time and can not be disputed. The economy is dead, the Kiev Junta is living from hand to mouth on free money handouts from the CIA, while it tries to obtain more money from the EU. EU promised 2 billion dollars before New Year. The IMF has halted payments because Kiev refuses to reform the state economy of reform the corruption of government.
Russia, in fact, just saved Kiev from disaster, by an emergency supply of coal for Ukraine's power plants. Without money, no one will ship coal to Kiev. But RUssia has stepped up and provided the coal, also, since they share power grids, Russia has supplied emergency electricity. Naturally, CNN missed that story.
How many ways is Kiev fucked. I don't have time. All their gold is stolen, all their industry is in Russian East Ukraine. Tanks prowl the streets of Karkov, Ukraine's second city, to prevent anti government forces from an uprising against the Kiev Junta.
The USA is providing now, all the war funding for the civil war. I can't know the exact sums, they are secret. It must be several billions of dollars just in the last two months. The CIA directly funds the entire Kiev Junta government, all the financial support to run the Junta is from American, our sources.
Mr Burton would that be the coal the russians received from the Donbass region
under russian control ? How ironic russia saving Ukraines bacon using their own coal.
What the Phuk is wrong with you?
Moscow to supply coal, electricity to Ukraine without prepaymenthttp://rt.com/business/218103-russia-coal-electricity-ukraine/
Idiot!
Russia, unlike the satanic USSA, adheres to Orthodox Christianity. A core belief of Orthodox Christianity is even the worst sinners are worth attempting to redeem.
Moreover, if the Ukraine completely collapses, literally millions of Ukies will run to Russia creating a mammoth refugee problem. Indeed, this may be one of the USSA's tactics to take down Russia.
Finally, Russia via some signs of mercy, is signalling that the moral case for intervention is building.
Tired one, I know its the Kiev post but.....
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv-post-plus/moscow-offers-to-sell-kyiv-stolen-coal-as-nuclear-shutdown-adds-to-ukraines-energy-woes-376304.html
"Russia, in fact, just saved Kiev from disaster, by an emergency supply of coal for Ukraine's power plants."
In that case -- excuse my language -- Russia just fucked up. Big time. Because they violated a cardinal law in competition and warfare: NEVER, EVER, NEVER STOP YOUR ENEMY WHILE HE IS SELF-DESTRUCTING.
Clearly Putin has (one or two) Fifth Column Agents on his Board of Advisers, and this always comes to light when someone gives really bad Strategic or Tactical advice -- advice that always delays or weakens your play, or elects to ignore* select developments. His security and PsyOps team needs to do a deep dive on the Key Stakeholder Analysis (what their weaknesses are: Hopes & desires, fears & regrets) for them and key family members** (Wives!).
* E.g., Many years ago, Israel had a deep mole in the Syrian government. This mole advised its military to hide their tanks or cannons under the few trees that were near the Golan Heights. When the shooting war started, IDF promptly bombed these trees and the Syrian tanks and cannons underneath them.
** E.g. Some historians argue that Benedict Arnold never would have turned a Traitor, had it not been for his wife -- who had dreams, hopes and fears that she transferred onto Benedict. It was she who wanted him to switch sides. Remember that "men are stupid" when it comes to their women or wives. Courtiers and Aristocrats have known this and used this for centuries. Modern politicians seem willfully ignorant or blind of this reality of human nature.
p.s. I'll bet you Dollars to Donuts that the US is also beefing up its DOD and CIA presence in Georgia. And yet, Putin's Fifth Column is keeping him restrained... until it's too late. And where is the "Asymmetric Warfare" that Putin/Russia spoke of? Is it on low flame and on a back burner, or will it be turned up and put on a Front Burner?
The Ukrainian economy was crashing before the Kiev Coup and will self destruct no matter what Russia does.
Russia is just trying to make the landing a bit softer.
By coincidence, the FAA has released a NOTAM preventing US flights from passing through this region from Monday. Watch out for 'unfortunate significant incidents' in this area.
Any gold bars coming from Ukraine,make sure they're sprayed with a good quality spray.I personally like Krylon which is good American quality.
http://www.krylon.com/
Is the Fed holding any(40 metric tonnes) that are made of lead?Better check with Krylon and go through the purchase orders.
That's just how it is with aging nuclear reactor facilities - little shit starts going wrong and they begin to nickel-and-dime you. The reactors begin shutting themselves down for no apparent reason, the gauges don't read properly all the time, the "check nuclear pile" light comes on and you have to have Pep Boys reset the code, etc. Plus, the consumables need replacement one right after another - new fuel rods, cooling pond pump bearings, stuff like that. It's a pain in the ass and the costs add up fast.
It's best to just lease the damned things and get a new one every three or four years - let someone else deal with the inherent problems of aging machinery. In today's world it's simpler and easier to replace rather than repair. Who wants to be seen running a ten year old nuclear reactor facility anyway? No one I know.
Does anyone know the full cost to decommission one of these Soviet era plants. I mean from turning it off, stopping reaction, to taking it apart and breaking down the nuclear pile, or reactor cores? I do not know, but I can quess. Is 1 billion dollars too much or too little? In fact, it is hard to imagine how one would even go in and take apart the cores and spent fuels and ship them where?
Ship them to Fukushima of course.
Here's the cost estimate for decommissioning San Onofre Nuclear Plant in Southern California:
http://www.songscommunity.com/docs/EnergySolutions2014SONGSDCE_052114.pdf
You're looking at about $2 billion per Unit. Even then, you still have to find a place for the active and/or spent fuel.
YMMV--especially if it's a Russian nuclear plant.
Jack, if you want to see some shudderingly bad neglegence, Google "Sellafield nuclear waste" in jolly old England. The fuel pools are open to the sky and this place has been pretty well abandoned since the 70's. Heaven knows what contamination is there. I also worry about Hanford, in Washington state, as a crumbling piece of dreck. We'd probably have to postpone a couple of months worth of middle east war to clean those up. I guess we can't have that...wouldn't it be grand if Halliburton was in the business of planting forrests and building public housing? I think we'd be up to our ears in it in no time. Hmm, obviously Dick Cheney's artificial heart wouldn't be into that.
The big problem with the fuel rods is you can't turn them off. Of course I read somewhere that the full reprocessing cycle had been figured out by nuke engineers, but that they are not allowed to actually fully reprocess the fuel until it becomes inert. Nothing like being wasteful and dangerous.
Trojan outside of Portland, Oregon is really shoddy. Trojan is also the power plant from the Simpsons.
Most U.S. nuclear plants had a planned ROI and it traditionally included numerous tax breaks. Before the advent and quantity of gas-fired HRSGs (Heat Recovery Steam Generators), nuclear power was fairly cost-effective per kilowatt.
Like anything else, the life-cycle of anything mechanical is greatly enhanced with proper and continuing maintenance. U.S. nuclear plants have lots of redundancy, but are still a source of "clean" power--assuming you figure out what to do with the spent fuel and don't experience events such as Chernobyl and Fukishima.
There's a cost for everything. You just have to decide if you can afford it.
Eventually, it will be: "give us money and aid or else we unleash hell. You've seen weather patterns of Chernobyl."
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/ukraine-steps-protection-its-nu...
You make a good point. RIght now the west ignores Ukraine. But it is the world's largest most dnagerous problem in every sense of the word. It is World War Three just slowly ticking away ready to go off in earnest!
The Junta is not governing. They are passing all kinds of crazy, nazi laws, uneforceable enough. While the economy collapses, they try to institute a Nazi State, and decalre war on Russia. They can't keep the fucking lights on, yet plan a major offensive this spring, to drive rebels out of the Donbass, and then attack Crimea.
This is "The Hitler Bunker 1945" kind of thinking. Washington has put madmen into the seats of the Ukrainian Rada, Kiev Junta.
Most of the Ukie politicians are third rate stooges, nothing more than meat puppets for the USSA. Their primary goal is to steal enough money to escape the Ukraine, especially after the inevitable counter revolution.
So basically you're saying the recent power cutoffs to Crimea were due to incompetence instead of politics.
IS it logical to have Nuclear Power Plants in an UNSTABLE, financially BROKE Country?
The US has them.
Well, if the West wants Ukraine, the maybe they'll get their wish. When your crazy "friends" next door decide to get your attention by shooting holes in their underground fuel tank, that shit is going to leach into your ground water. Sure, you can probably end up getting title to his property, but would you really WANT it then?
And Russia would probably not be so willing to help with the clean-up should Ukraine suffer another nuclear plant accident this time around. As long as they have Crimea, they might just tell Europe to handle it themselves since they have such an interest in the region.
They'll just remind their Nato counterparts to suit-up well while they are building their missile sites. And don't forget those RAD detectors...
Wow Europe...you really took a big bite out of a giant shitburger with this Ukraine thing, didn't you? Russia took the piece it actually WANTED, and now you and the US get to deal with the crazy fuckers that are left. And their deteriorating nuclear plants.
Should have left it to the Russians, it was their backyard. They have the experience of dealing with Ukraine, and were far more able to keep things in check. NATO is out of its league here, and eventually Europe will realize this and understand that an unstable Ukraine is NOT in their best interests.
Also, has anyone in the West considered the possibility that Ukraine is playing both sides against each other? Courting NATO in order to get something out of Russia? With no real intention of going over to NATO? They've got two big powers fighting over them...like a beautiful but vapid girl, maybe they are just trying to see who will give them the best presents, and she's just stringing you both along for as long as the ride lasts...
But at the end, you'll just get a peck on the cheek as she shuts the door in your face and you go home alone to jerk off.
The Ukraine is an ugly, nasty bitch that no one wants, but provides access to the huge prize of Russia.
One of the reasons why the USSA populated the Ukie government with western ciphers is there is no trust that the Ukie oligarchs will stay bought. Once they figure out they are on the losing side, they will switch allegiances. Ukie oligarchs do not make friends, they make deals and Putin knows how to negotiate with them.
The oligarchs will have to weed out the ciphers when they start talking to Putin. Probably arrest a couple of them publicly, and watch the rest scurry under the refrigerator.
.. because the best global hedge to predicting who is responsible for all nuclear disasters uses an algorithm that ranks and highlights anything that includes a Z or a 6
It is a perfect nuclear shit-storm:
Humanity is RACING towards oblivion.
You cut power to Crimea we stuxnet your nuclear power plant .
Unrelated (or maybe it is) to Ukraine:
Argentina Buying Russian All-weather Attack Aircraft Su-24
Needless to say, the Brits are very unhappy with this transaction. If Russia sells Argentina some air-sea and cruise missiles, they will be in big trouble to hold on to Falkland Islands aka Islas Malvinas.
I was wondering why anybody would want that place (unless you're into squid fishing). Then I saw that they had a huge exclusion area for fishing and that there had been oil exploration, which was apparently good enough to have drilling start in 2016. UK is at a disadvantage, but even with the distance, Argentina better have more than a few missiles to thoroughly defeat the UK.
"Russia replaced EU food imports with those from Argentina. It will partly pay for them by leasing a squadron of Su-24 attack aircraft"
This bit of news is going to set the UK Newspapers into hyperdrive! You can imagine the Falklands under threat from a squadron of modern Russian attack aircraft. When the UK hopes to defend the Falklands with 4-5 modern Euro-Fighters on Stanely Airfield. A night attack using long range cruise missiles fired from SU-24's with cluster war heads, known as Air Field Killers, would put the UK in a very bad position. The SU-24 can also carry Russian anti ship missiles, putting the Royal Navy under the sea. Last was Argentina had 5-6 French anti ship missiles, not very good one's at that, but the modern Russian one's? Well, all I can say is "Mr. Cameron just got kicked in the Balls for his driving down of the ruble."
The trade, fighter jets for food imports, No need for Dollars in that deal, is there?
Ramzan Kadyrov announced today a creation of "Volunteer brigade ready to act anywhere in the world the President of Russia deems necessary".
Volunteer = "not regular Russian forces". You now what that means.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NAIrcAPbuA
Someone should supply Kiev with diapers.
The winter has just started. Putin sent his Father Frost to the Ukraine.
Essentially, Ukrainians use electric heaters instead of gas-heated water. That puts a strain on electric grids.
The Ukraine will probably survive this winter as it has resources saved from the previous "bad" president. But the next one is very questionable.
Probably, millions of Ukrainians will escape from "freedom" and famine, cold, joblessness, military draft to Russia, which not all of them hate.
Ukraine is held in the grip of 10% Nazis + 10% fascists. 80% want nothing to do with the 20%, BUT, The West fully backs that 20%, and thus they have great power.
People already run to Russia to escape the draft, numbers are not reported by Kiev, of course, and Russia remains silent, as they always try to please the EU by seeming passive.
They may survive unless they just maxed out their biggest energy resource. Chernobyl 2.0.
The Ukraine is cluster F#%k, the west deserves everything that's going to come of their coup, as do the people too stupid to see that joining the EU is nothing more than being raped and pillaged.
we need them in the eu so that the atomic burden will be shared on more shoulders
The guys on Radio Sputnik are right in their analysis:
The US has the mindset and global objectives of Global Imperialism -- via its military and money.
1. The custom combo of PR, force and money seems to work on country after country falling under its influence and control.
2. The US Neocons will go after any and all of Russia's Clients or Friends, anywhere in the world, slowly sawing off Russia's power across the globe. Neutrality is an option that the US is not allowing for these countries, or they'd all opt for "Neutrality". The choice presented are: "You're either with us or against us". With the predictable consequences that follow.
3. The Neocons do not care if their process of "Democratizing" a target country succeeds or fails, as long as it ceases to be an effective ally or client state of Russia. Thus even the worst of "failures" (Iraq, Libya, Ukraine...) are "Victories". The only risk that these Neocons run (in their own minds), is that they will be perceived as being "Soft on US security".
4. "Democracy" is merely a Pavlovian dinner bell that seems to result in the desired responses at home, in the EU/NATO, and other countries. They could not care less about "democracy", as their behavior and results have shown time and again. If you replace the word "Democracy" with Imperialism, then and only then do you get an image that is perfectly consistent with the observed results.
5. The Neocons will not cease or desist until virtually all countries around Russia are either in tatters, or part of NATO.
6. The End Game is the conquest of Russia -- either via "Regime Change" or a Tactical Nuclear First Strike. After that, China is "finished", and the NWO can formally be rolled out.
Why am I not surprised. When we left Ukraine, it was already in shambles and barely functioning but enough money for maintaining nuclear power plants (import parts from Russia and Belarus). But now, there is no money and I imagine this is an issue just waiting to happen. Although, I have no idea why russia just does not build more in Crimea. I guess they are finishing up their floating nuclear power plant, move it to Crimea and then use that temporarly?
Soon, Crimea will be the one supplying energy and resources to Ukraine after all is built. But till then, rely on Ukraine. Very dangerous to be honest.
The stupidos swhitched from russian-made fuel rods to westinghouse, to make americans happy.....
hehehehhehehe.
perfect zionist-american technology....
ask the french what they think of nuclear power.
i've lived within 6-7 miles,(as the crow flies), from a nuclear power plant for 63 yrs., but believe me if they put saudia arabia in charge of maintenence i would move tomorrow.
the eu. is lucky, if stalin was in putins chair, (with russia military today), the chicken-s--t games would be over.
keiv would be the new berlin, the dnieper river, down to the black sea, would be the new natural border.
the gas would be shut off with the first neo-nazi gun shot.
nato wouldn't even warm up their planes let alone put them in the air.
obama would go to congress to give him cover, and call for a vote for america to enter into a possible nuclear ww111, and he'd get 535 nays for cover, yet last week they voted, overwhemingly, for escilating a nuclear ww111, red, and blue.
now we have a different russia, different president, (leader), trying negotiations to prevent war, and what does he get, chicken s--t games, to single out russia, and russians for total destuction.
Did an AirAsia plane crash into it?
Emergency shutdown?
Wasn't Chernobyl the result of a *routine* shutdown gone wrong?
Everyone of you are stupid who thinks that Nuclear is good. There is no such thing as "good nuclear".
this is not a coincidence
Just a setup for more Russian projects there I bet
Russia To Supply Ukraine With Coal & Electricity…..Thx World Bank
Ukraine National Debt Hits Record High As World Bank Gives Them Loan For Energy
Barack Obama to Sponsor ‘Free Internet’ in Russia With $60M Funding
Russia’s Imperious Group Invests in Ukranian Startup
Russia Signed Nuclear Agreements With….Ukraine
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com
It seems to be one more reason for panic mode in MSM... Again. Enjoy!
P.S. It's normally functioning. For details, see: http://forum.atominfo.ru/index.php?showtopic=743&st=2780 (in Russian/Ukrainian).