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Disappeared AirAsia Plane Likely "At Bottom Of Sea"; No Signal Detected
One would have thought that more than half a year after the mysterious disappearance of Malaysia flight MH-370 airlines would have taken precautions to keep track of airplanes at any given moment. One would be wrong, and as the latest mystery surrounding AirAsia's missing jet deepens, it has become clear that like with its Malaysian predecessor, nobody has any clue where the plane may be, so the speculation begins. Cue Reuters, which reports that the plane "could be at the bottom of the sea after it was presumed to have crashed off the Indonesian coast, an official said on Monday, as countries around Asia sent ships and planes to help in the search effort."
The disappearance was quite unexpected, even to the pilots, as Flight QZ8501 did not even get a chance to issue a distress signal and disappeared over the Java Sea five minutes after requesting the change of course, which was refused because of heavy air traffic, officials said. What is just as surprising is that the airplane in question, an Airbus A320 has traditionally had a virtually spotless flight history: The plane that disappeared was delivered to AirAsia from the production line in October 2008. Powered by CFM 56-5B engines built by a joint venture of General Electric Co. and France’s Safran SA (SAF), the aircraft had accumulated approximately 23,000 flight hours in some 13,600 flights, Airbus said on its website.
According to Bloomberg, the A320 and the related A318, A319 and A321 have among the lowest accident rates of modern commercial aircraft, with a fatal crash in about 1 in every 7 million departures, according to a study published in August by Boeing Co. (BA) The last fatal accident involving an Airbus single-aisle plane was in 2010, when an A321 operated by Pakistani carrier Airblue crashed into rugged terrain in heavy rain, killing all 152 people on board.
So what likely happened? From Reuters:
"Based on our coordinates, we expect it is in the sea, so for now (we think) it is on the sea floor," Soelistyo, head of Indonesia's search and rescue agency, told reporters when asked about the missing plane's likely location.
A senior Indonesian civil aviation source told Reuters that authorities had the flight's radar data and were waiting for search and rescue teams to find debris before they started their investigation into the cause.
As previously reported, some of the early clues hinted at an airplane crash, and these are currently being investigated: Air force spokesman Hadi Tjahjanto said searchers were checking a report of an oil slick off the east coast of Belitung island, near where the plane lost contact. He also said searchers had picked up an emergency locator signal off the south of Borneo island but had been unable to pinpoint it.
Some more coverage from Bloomberg:
The first planes that reached the region where the AirAsia plane was last reported didn’t find any signs of the missing aircraft, Sutono, a communication director at the Indonesian search and rescue agency, said today. Searchers focused on an oil spill seen 100 nautical miles off Belitung island, Hadi Tjahjono, spokesman for Indonesia’s Airforce told reporters.
Objects spotted by one of the search planes later turned out to be unrelated to the aircraft, the Airforce said.
Shares of AirAsia dropped 8.5 percent in Kuala Lumpur trading, their biggest slide since 2011. While AirAsia is based in Sepang, Malaysia, it operates with subsidiaries and affiliates in different countries. The missing plane belonged to its Indonesian operations.
“We’re devastated, but we don’t know what’s happened yet,” Chief Executive Officer Tony Fernandes said at a press conference in Surabaya yesterday.
In any event, the search continues although the likelihood that it will have a more faborable outcome than the search for MH-370 is virtually nil:
The last signal from the plane was between the city of Pontianak on Borneo and the town of Tanjung Pandan on Belitung island. The search was initially concentrated around Belitung, Transport Minister Ignasius Jonan said earlier. Sulistyo said the search area had been widened to include the Karimata strait and land areas in western West Kalimantan.
Robert Mann, head of aviation consultant R.W. Mann & Co. in Port Washington, New York, said searchers missed crucial daylight hours because authorities in Indonesia took an hour and 38 minutes to classify the plane as missing.
“It’s the golden hour in an accident scene; you only have so many daylight hours,” he said in a phone interview.
AirAsia had no fatal crashes in its history of more than a decade of operations. The A320 has built a reputation as a sturdy workhorse, with more than 6,000 A320 family aircraft in service to date with over 300 operators.
Finally, for the visual learners:
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Poor souls
but at least their fate is known
Alien abduction part deux
Fly Quantas bitchez!
Must be the Rapture ...
Damn! I knew I wasn't good enuff!
The plane went with them? Maybe it's not you but that ratty old E-Z-Boy
Remember, your seat cushion acts as a floatation device.
Well, it looks like emergency locator beacons aren’t such a valuable addition to avionics nowadays and there is a big hole in the “Total Information Awareness” of certain increasingly repressive states.
They can tell you if granny texted you about her Christmas get together but they have no clue what happened to a 50 ton aluminum can hurtling through the skies.
Good thing they make 'em compulsory on little ultra-lites. Maybe the big airlines got an exemption ...
Prophecy..."Insider" trade !?
somethings not right thats a narrow body of water they would find debris, this is like being blown off, somthing nafarious going on
The report this morning is debris has been found.
Does anyone think that maybe someone is stealing these airplanes? Change the paint, grind off the serial numbers, pop a fresh transponder in them, and voila! $100 million dollar airplane is yours.. How else can something so big disappear without a single seat cushion being found..
Like a giant plane comes up behind them and swallows it. Then takes it to a secret underground base in a volcano in Japan.
That seems more likely than a modern jet crashing in the modern world and leaving no trace.
With its first patrols scheduled for the summer of 2014 aboard the newly revamped USS Ponce, the LaWS system represents the US Navy’s first attempt at fielding a high-energy laser weapon.
In the future, ships with greater electrical capacity will likely be home to even more powerful direct energy weapons, possibly even those capable of downing planes, missiles and even satellites
http://www.engineering.com/DesignerEdge/DesignerEdgeArticles/ArticleID/7305/US-Navy-is-Set-Deploy-its-First-Laser-Weapon.aspx
Saturday, 8 March 2014 - MH370
Shit! I was at the pub, just last night, and some shady looking character wandered up to me and said, "Pssssstt, hey buddy. Do you want to buy a cheap jumbo jet?" I told him I was skint, finished my drink and went home to check my emails.
Blow me down, a Nigerian Prince was trying to emigrate and needed help loading his gold onto his new second-hand aeroplane. It looks legit becoz he knew my email address and all.
We Larry McDonnel'd some folks.
Good point. Better add wings and a jet engine to this thing. Yeee-haaar!!!
The Maylasian Triangle?
"The ocean floor in the Java Sea is flat and muddy, and rarely deeper than 60 meters (197 feet), according to Hans Berekoven, an amateur archaeologist who surveyed the area for oil prospects in the 1990s."
In that case, it should be easy to locate with Sonar. Even fishing boats could do the job.
Virtually all of the Kennedy family were killed on numerlogically significant dates. Also, the constellations were aligned in specific way, especially in accordance with Zohar and Kaballah mystery religion.
Maylaysia has been on the outs since the Asian Currency Crises, when they did things that made IMF look foolish. Malaysia ignored the toxic nostrums of IMF and created their own template.
The word cannot get out that countries are actually sovereign entities and hence own the legal power of their own money. Money should serve the people of the country and not an alien cabal of private bankers - an international cabal in thrall to inherently psychopathological mental constructs.
It is also no secret that Malaysian government has been more outspoken than others especially at New World Order forums.
Speak out and then you will be punished. State airlines crashing and disappearing is a good way to attack the State.
Read about the BHUAP (Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot) or "Boeing Uninterruptable Autopilot" system on Wikipedia and be very concerned about who it is capable of taking over by full remote control any of these airliners. Lufthansa was so concerned at their planes capable of being taken over by unknown outside forces they spent billions in removing this capability. There is enough information available on-line on BHUAP to suggest a version of this system has being installed into Airbus since 1994. Imagine a pilot losing complete control of his aircraft to remote control using satellite. Who is at the other end and what nefarious purposes could this be used for?
Oh when will they learn; muslims and airliners dont mix
Muslims and anything don't mix.
Another racist dumbfuck too dense to notice that once again, the overwhelming bulk of the casualties were Muslim civilians...
Newsflash, stupid - usually the people who are doing all the dying aren't the people who are the source of the problem.
Unbeiveable in this day and age anything like this could happen.....twice in one year in the same region. It seems they tracked aircraft better in the 1930s and at least they had a clue where Emilia Earhart's plane went down. Oh well, maybe 70 years from now we'll find out.
Say, aren't Airbuses equipped with watertight hatches and gear doors? That's what I remember from the one that went down in the Hudson a few years ago.
Going down in the Hudson River......because Canada geese had priority flight plans.......CFM engines again.......and the water ripped through the fuselage
That plane floated on the surface for a while and everyone got off of it. This plane submerged, allegedly, without a trace.
Sounds ominously like Luca Brasi.
Sleeping with the fish?
this trend is not your friend...
Somebody got new Weapon?
China, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, UK, Russia, USA, France, Australia...
not UK......they have no new weapons - ask the army how old their kit is - older than the operators
But they're very good with a knife.
Amazing how a truck fleet service can monitor everything about their vehicles no matter where they are but they cannot keep track of a multimillion dollar aircraft with ~160 people on it...
2nd plane to go missing, just maybe there is something else going on.
Bankers know when I'm off a penny in my account balance.....Walmart and other grocery stores track your every move down the aisle with devices...spies knows when i bend over to take a piss as well as the stream flow....and they have no clue where a giant hunk of metal with over a hundred people on board went?
Smells like month old Gulf Shrimp.
They seem to know who picked up the flying bills in HK.
Good idea. Always make sure something ordered from Amazon is on your plane. Then if it goes missing we can just click on "Track your package"!
:P
When it comes to gov't it doesn't surprise, they have everyone's SS# and they can't even "track" who's unemployment ran out vs getting a job?
None of the places you mentioned are under water. You should use some analogy that actually fits the subject.
I labor under the apprehension that jet engines like these transmit data continuously when in use. Yet in neither case did that piece of info surface in the MSM narrative. It seems sorta relevant to this poor bastard.
Have to think that this is a .gov-coordinated job. Including media control. Ramp up the fear factor that little bit more. So we beg for more .gov.
The odds of losing a plane might be one in a million, but that makes the odds of losing two planes one in a million million. The odds of losing three planes? One in a million million million !!! (errr, they're exclamation marks, not factorial symbols, just making sure!)
No way it cood happen again! ... cood it?
Gee, makes me wonder if Santa's sleigh made it home ok ?
Nonsense
Commercial airliners can't just get lost
The plane has transponders, and so do the engines, relaying continous telemetric data as to their status
Add to that intelligence satellites in geodesic orbit capable of zooming in on a car plate covering every sensitive square foot of this globe (I'd call the Diego Garcia airbase sensitive)
What I find amazing is living in this twillight zone world where the MSN can peddle the nonsense that airliners can just disappear and not get called on it
Do nowadays and see if the insurers really care.....
Agreed. Yesterday I had posted that another day may have been needed to locate the missing plane as the weather may have hampered efforts the day of the "crash". With a decent day for a search and to come up with nothing does not fit the script for a crash.
Abso-effin-lutely.
They have no idea where it is. Wow, what bullshit.
My faith in the reliability of technology is not as strong as yours, particularly in a storm over a large body of water.
We oversell ourselves on GPS and so on. It wouldn't be the first time someone is mislead by using google maps, etc. What makes you think it doesn't happen on airplanes or ships and for that reason they simply 'vanish'?
My brother in law is a pilot
He, as I, doesn't buy these disappearing airliner stories
Crash, yes, but disappear off the face of the globe with no trace, impossible mon ami
It happened, didn't it? Like the Bermuda Triangle. Just because we don't know where it is, doesn't mean it is not there.
I rest my case.
The fact that "we" don't know where the missing airliners are does not imply that no one knows where the missing airliners are
And that is my point
TPTB know precisely where the missing airliners are, the redundancies built into tracking airliners make a parallel failure of all tracking systems a near zero probability
TPTB are keeping that information to themselves
Don't ask me for what purpose, I'm just a scientist, political machinations are not my cup of tea
Let us assume you may be correct. As someone noted earlier, where are the bits and pieces?
Maybe it is that new laser weapon technology some country is testing from space, may have disolved the airplane into pieces so small or it was hi jacked.
If it was not hi jacked or shot down, we must assume Mother nature took care of it. Nothing is perfect in this world including redundant systems. We can see this in everyday lives when secure systems are hacked or malware comes into being.
I don't know where the airliner is and care not to theorize as to where it is or what might have happened to it
I merely point out that the odds of a parallel failure of all redundant tracking systems are infinitesimal
To assume otherwise would be ... illogical
Ya right! Like some boxcutters couldn't make it dissapear.
With mucho salt.
You are clearly a cherry picker...
1. 'cos airlines spend a shitload of money tracking the weather and have well established protocols concerning travel around weather.
2. 'cos tracking stuff ain't that hard any more, especially after a few high-profile disappearances and hi-jackings makes people jittery. They put a million billion trivial security protocols in place but don't bother tracking the planes? Even after 9/11?
3. The only thing in your favour is "budgetary constraints". That might explain it. On second thought, "budgetary constraint" might be trotted out as the"excuse" but it sure as hell ain't the reason. Ask the "feelers" at your airport. Maybe they know where it went.
The tribe got in their third airline disaster before the year is out. They like to do things in threes for some reason.
Bottom of the sea floor??? Uhh how about above sea wreckage? Unbelievable that this happened again , I say that's way more than an act of war!
Need USOS Seaview and Commander Crane with the flying sub
Starring Richard Baseheart
Mansa
Yes indeed, everything sunk like a rock directly to the bottom. Seat cushions, clothing, stuffed animals, plasic cups ect ect. Just like a plane flew into the pentagon leaving nary a trace of wreckage.
Don't forget the amazing Pentalawn...
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/pentalawn.html
Where can I get me a lawn like that?
Great link.
Malaysia and Indonesia are very friendly with Russia and China.
So much so, that they have direct currency swaps in place, which bypass the USD.
This isn't just terrorism or state-sponsored terrorism, but plain state-terrorism, that is equivalent to an act of war.
The US must be scared - MH370 disappears over Pacific, MH317 disappears over Ukraine, and this one disappears over Pacific.......and nothing appears on US NRO satellites......bit like 9/11 really.....just happens .......and none of that hardware does anything for dollars
Yes the Indian Ocean really is in North Dakota exactly where Gen'l Custer said it was
Space beam weapons , incompetent pilots, or just a superbad storm? All I know is I'm not air traveling Malaysia..ever!
Given the lack of mayday call, we may surmise that whatever took the plane did so very suddenly and catastrophically.
Hmm, not near Diego Garcia this time. So my money is on space bats. Or possibly a meteor.
Clearly a BUK rocket fired from Donetsk
Bath House: "These fuzzy satellite photos definitely show floating BUK launchers in the area, no doubt manned by Separatists working for the Kremlin who have invaded Malaysia. We must stop them!"
Or a repeat of the USN's shoot-down of TWA 800?
(I doubt it.)
Wake turbulence ripped the rudder off an Airbus in NY right after 9-11. If wake turbulence can do that, then a thunderstorm certainly could. Nobody really knows how these composite parts fatigue, unlike good old aluminum, which at least shows crack propogation on x-rays.
Just like salt is bad for Al, UV and heat are bad for composites. If the tail came off, there would be a flat spin and the plane probably would have disintegrated quickly, but stuff would still be floating on the surface.
Radar info suggest a catastrophic stall trying to climb too fast too slowly, but in that scenario they should have got a mayday off. The flat spin would also lend itself to someform of communication. I'm going with a big old fashioned lightining strike hit something it shouldn't have.
Lighting strike fusing everything would explain the lack of electronic signalling and radio.
CNN are suggesting it was an issue with Metric/Imperial conversion....wow didn't think CNN had further to fall in creditabiity stakes.
like ATC said 35000 ft and they tried to go to 35000 meters and stalled it?
What a maroon! The pilot would not make that mistake. He and his copilot knew the aircraft was not able to fly at 35,000 METERS.
This should be a clue that you should stop watching FOX Jooze-Nooze.
"Fox News host Anna Kooiman speculated on Sunday that an AirAsia flight could have gone missing because international pilots were trained using the metric system."
http://www.sott.net/article/290688-For-real-Fox-host-speculates-metric-s...
Climbing stall? Well that's all right then. Everyone will be safe. If ever things did go pear-shaped in an aircraft, I think I'd want to be in one of these.
http://www.popscreen.com/v/6HtzZ/Airbus-A320-Stall-Test--Video
That was flight 587 and wake turbuence did not rip the tail off, pilot error did. It was found that the co-pilot, who was flying it at the time of the crash, was trained to make rudder over-corrections to gain control in the event of extreme turbulence. The multiple rudder over corrections placed such a load on the tail that it ripped off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587
The crash could be the result of anything. Flight 447 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean (228 dead) and debris was found 3 days later. It was pilot error, they stalled the plane from 38,000 ft all the way down to the surface, and had no idea what was going on the entire time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447
Bullshit! The NTSB investigation of AA587 was another coverup. Modern fly-by-wire aircraft do not have stabilizer and rudder structural failures due to pilot input.
I think AA587 was connected to the false flag ops of 9-11 and didn't turn out in the way the perps expected, so they blamed the pilots. I believe it was caused by explosives in the tail.
It seems likely this accident may be weather related. The pilot's request for higher altitude suggests severe weather.
They used to have a term called wind shear, apparently caused by violent opposing drafts resulting from unstable weather conditions and may be powerful enough to rip an airplane apart.
I remember reading about wind shear as being a concern, I think it was in airports such as Denver. It used to bother me thinking about it when flying in and out of places where it may occur. I haven't seen the term in print for years, probably because potential passengers like me wouldn't fly.
They also got rules, like "don't fly near big, black clouds", to help them avoid such problems.
But who knows? Maybe the dollar was talking and the pilot was feeling lucky.
The pilot saw a big black cloud and requested permission to change altitude, which was denied.
Well, I imagine that now someone will be asked to justify their decision.
Must have been flying IFR then. I Follow Railroads
Those instantaneous 200' drops are only a problem when the cocktail cart is out...
And when you're 199' or less above the landing strip.
It happened to a flight at Charlotte, NC years ago. I worked with a guy who was on a construction job when it happened. It turned out to be wind shear during the violent summer T-storms. Police and emergency personnel actually came to their work area and asked if there were any Viet Nam vets in the crew. My friend was army infantry in Nam. They were asked to volunteer to help with collecting remains. This crash site was horrible.
The storm actually ripped and slammed the plane apart as it neared CLT. There are supposedly wind-shear detectors nowadays. Maybe a pilot could tell us more.
Here is more info from TOI:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/AirAsia-flight-QZ...
So if it was ripped apart by a storm where's all the stuff that floats?
... and the tracking electronics and the emergency locator beacon?
The Ocean is very big, and an aircraft is very small.
You can lose contact and the plane can go pretty far before you know it is no longer on radar.
A good friend who was in the 18th Air Force/437th used to fly 141s on a scheduled trip every month. The planes fly in threes. He said once they had an entire sortie of three vanish in the shallow waters maybe near the Azores, it's hard to remember and Jerry passed away years ago. Anyway, they knew the flight route. He was a coinfident flyer. "If your plane goes down, we will find you. I'm confident of that," he used to say.
They searched and never found a trace of the aircrafts. Even Jerry's plane was looking and he was not in SAR. The USAF was stumped. Jerry related the water in the search area was so shallow the planes should have been visible even if they had sunk.
This was a regular supply run, they went to Italy, Greece, Turkey and Riyadh, then dead-headed back.
SAR should begin to find something soon; the oil slick has been discovered in the approximate area.
Plane crash at 40 000 ft? You got 50 seconds till the plane hits the ground, +/- air resistance.
900km/h? = 15km / minute. ~15km till plane hits the ground, +/- air resistance.
Explosion? ~ 225 km2 debris field, again +/- whatever the wind does with it, also + any "added velocities".
+/- radar error and pilot navigation deviation.
When did plane lose radar contact? At what height was it flying at that point? What speed? Time between loss of radar contact and loss of plane? If they can't find it soon then I'd suspect foul play.
GPS locators? Engine monitoring? How does commercial tracking compare with private aircraft tracking? On the plus side, private aircraft doesn't travel too fast or too far.
Or parked in a hangar in Tel Aviv.
I have my issues with Europeans but commuter Airbus planes are not one of them. Airbus planes are rock solid as far I can tell. Something else is wrong here.
"I have my issues with Europeans but commuter Airbus planes are not one of them. Airbus planes are rock solid as far I can tell. Something else is wrong here."
It's called a thunderstorm.
Hardly cynical are you Max?
People with real analytical skills will look at all the possibilities, all the evidence, and come up with a short list of probable causes.
As part of the Body of Evidence, you have to include the electronic silence, request for change of course, and lack of debris.
Your explanation does fit the facts or technology involved. We may speculate, and I have done so also (above), but at this point there is not enough evidence to id the true cause.
There's a limit to how much hail a turbojet engine can ingest and still run.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Airways_Flight_242
The DC10 is also rock solid, but if you don't follow proper maintenance procedures, this can happen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191
It's paradoxical, yet there's almost no tough questions from the media.
Media don't ever ask any questions, except:
"How do you feel?"
"Were you terrified?"
"Is it an emergency situation?"
The radar shows its air speed as 100 mph...that is way to slow....we are talking major stall....and a fall back to earth...they are hard to recover from...especially if you are one of these book taught pilots...
100 MPH?
Ain't that when you start hitting the brakes on the runway?
That or there was one helluva head wind.
100mph? Good. That means the search area won't be too big. Should find it soon.
The radar displays GROUND SPEED, not air speed. And it's normally done in knots, not mph.
Queue another commercial flight being shot down, *this time by the Russians*.
During the inflight safety demonstration they clearly point out your life jacket has a light and whistle for attracting attention.
Somehow I think if they can't find the wreckage of THE PLANE, then what fucking use is a whistle going to be????
Website
"then what fucking use is a whistle going to be?"
Why it's a rape whistle for the rest of us to use of course. Bend over here comes the bankers.
C'thulhu is just building his fleet in preparation for starting his own low-cost regional service carrier.
Either that, or we're going to get a hell of a recreation of "Lost" as a reality show in 2015. Filming of the first season has wrapped, so they needed another cast for season two.
"The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry." Even with all of the present technology, there is no guarantee it will always work. Remember, if a human designed it, it's fallable. Occam's Razor and all that.
Sometimes, Nature does what it does and there's not a damn thing we can do (or know) about it. But that's not as menace-sounding as the usual conspiracies.
Of course you could be right. But when the dealer deals himself four aces twice, I stop playing with him.
Some of his winning hands might be honest. But I'll never know which hands they were.
Maybe some Navy vets can clarify but I was under the impression that we also had listening devices in the oceans to track submarine movements.
I have heard of this while serving in the USN, I do not know tha validity though. I also believe it was mentioned in a movie possibly a Tom Clancey?
The listening devices are basicaly a digital record of the noise any ship or sub makes in the water -- typiclaly called 'gear whine'. Every ship and sub has a different signature. You record the gear whine and compare it to the computerized index and you get your answer as to who it is. I think Red October made a point about this, that with magneto-hydrodynamic drive there is no sound (of course they haven't invented it yet, at least not to any sort of common use.)
Of course, in the case of a plane crash, the gears stop whining pretty quickly.
Back to the black box, the Emergency Locator Beacon and the "ping"s.
It appears to me that people have boating accidents, governments have plane accidents.
Ok, who exactly did Malaysia piss off and what did they do/say?
Begins with an I and ends with an L, with a whole lot of shit in between.
Ya know, that six pointed star they like to shove in everyones face is actually the star of Solomon, not David. Kabbalah not Judiasm.
I'd love to know what it is that Malaysia is doing to deserve this.
Yeah, third disaster for a Malaysia-flagged plane in less than a year. Makes me wonder.
Wikipedia...
The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission (KLWCT), also known as the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal, is a Malaysian organisation established in 2007 by Mahathir Mohamad to investigate war crimes. The KLWCC was instigated as an alternative to the International Criminal Court in The Hague, which Mahathir accused of bias in its selection of cases to cover.
In November 2011 the tribunal purportedly exercised universal jurisdiction to try in absentia former US President George W. Bush and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, convicting both for crimes against peace because of what the tribunal concluded was the unlawful invasion of Iraq.[7][8][9]
In May 2012 after hearing testimony for a week from victims of torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, the tribunal unanimously convicted in absentiaformer President Bush, former Vice President Dick Cheney, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, former Deputy Assistant Attorneys General John Yoo and Jay Bybee, former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, and former counselors David Addington and William Haynes II of conspiracy to commit war crimes, specifically torture. The tribunal referred their findings to the chief prosecutor at the International Court of Justice in the Hague.
In November 2013, the tribunal convicted State of Israel guilty of genocide of the Palestinian people and convicted former Israeli general Amos Yaron forcrimes against humanity and genocide for his involvement in the Sabra and Shatila massacre.
Think that's enough to do some finger pointing!
the aircraft had accumulated approximately 23,000 flight hours in some 13,600 flights, Airbus said on its website
I'm not an expert but those numbers seem sort of unreal. 13600 flights in just over six years? That's an average of 2266 flights a year (roughly), or about 6 per day. Seems like a lot. If you include maintenance periods that's even more per day, that seems high.
Maybe nothing, but it's obviously a plane that has made a lot of short flights.
Yah, basically a commuter plane. I've been on some of the CanadAir jets that fly 6 flights a day, traveling about 200 miles per trip, making the flight time about 30-45 minutes. This Malaysia flight was supposed to be only 1.5 or 2 hours. That fits with the number of hours per flight. I'm guessing this was a circuit to be flown, as opposed to what they call a 'yo yo' flight.
spot on , just make a brief calculation, which would reveal, that they have been flying 18 hours a day. impossible.
Planes change pilots and crews all the time. Especially for planes with an 18 HR shift.
That area of the Java Sea isn't supposed to be that deep. It may take a couple days for 'stuff' to start floating, although I can't imagine anything not floating right away. And if there is no wreckage floating, what the heck happened. Did the pilot skid-land on the ocean and then sink? That doesn't seem likely because a beacon would have been activated. Maybe the weather is holding things down. There is not really any of this event that makes much sense.
<- Want more ZH on this.
<- I'm not interested.
It would be interesting to see maintenance records of these aircraft working in very humid environments vs. aircraft working in less humid environments.
There was a previous story about how hard-working these aircraft are. I wonder if there is a corrosion problem.
Leaving out the aircraft probably shot down by Ukraine, that is two more aircrafts which were working in these climates. I know by now I have to have about a thousand hours in Airbus Aircraft, more than US Aircrafts. They all seem pretty solid.
I'd want more info
Distraction is desparately needed by now.
Can anyone verify if this message is true?
About 2 weeks ago! someone posted in a Chinese blog a warning 39 times, stay away from AirAsia do not become another victum of MH370.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxMgNiqHT8
Was Bernanke on the manifest?
Al Qaeda magazine names Western airlines, plus Bernanke and Gates, as terrorist targetsPublished: Dec 29, 2014 10:18 a.m. ET
Al Qaeda issued the latest edition of its online magazine on Christmas Eve with a step-by-step manual on how to breach airport security and bomb passenger planes.
The militant magazine, Inspire, names American, United, Continental and Delta airlines, as well as British Airways, EasyJet and Air France, as desired targets. It also suggests killing high-profile “economic personalities” like former Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and “wealthy entrepreneurs or company owners” like Bill Gates.
Who knew Jihad could be so fun...?!?
However, I'd prefer traditional terrorist venues like Jackson Hole and Davos (less innocent collateral damage).
You gotta be an American....
#QZ8501
AirAsia Flight QZ8501 disappeared about 45 minutes after takeoff. Malyasia Arlines MH370, which vanished without a trace earlier this year, also went down well after it had left the runway and entered the "cruise" phase of flight.
China will dispatch aircraft and ships to help search for missing AirAsia Flight QZ8501.
Latest:
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Many Asian airlines ending up on the bottom of the sea lately.
One of the passangers was a top SE Asian Exec from the criminal corporation Alstom recently convicted and fined hugely for engaging in systematic bribery - primarily in SE Asia.
Would an organization like that take down a whole plane full of people just to make one person who knew WAY too much disappear in an "accident"? It's hard to imagine that the top levels of such a company could be so evil. Well, maybe not so hard.
3 7 0 8 5 0 1 = LOST
LoJack costs about $700 for a car ... you might think that for a 20 million airplane it would be a good investment?
I just cant make myself believe this.
Lesson to be learned: What goes up must come down.
Market investors take note.
sayin' it's at bottom of ocean already seems a bit presumptuous; why not a borneo jungle?
"Tower, we'd like to change course"
"Denied, surely you can't be serious!"
"I am serious, and don't call me shirley!"
well, after fukushima all waiting for god-zilla to enter the stage. maybe the planes are a sign ?
on a more realistic plane: time to check the aircraft maintainance supply lines very carefully
It seems obvious now that I had just turned off my ad block on zh.
There is a lot of stuff I don't want to see at this site.
So maybe the searchers have ad block on and can't see the plane.
Let me just clk my boxcutters and hope it turns on my adblock.
Ahhh much better now. I can see how boxcutters could take down a plane. And you really wouldn't be able to see it. Click.
Commercial airline pilots should call a world wide strike till some sort of explanation is forthcoming, maybe we might hear something. Let's face it pilots it could be your plane next that's due to be "disappeared".
WTF? My cheap-ass phone can track wherever I am on the planet in seconds and track every movement... How do you lose a fucking plane (or two) with todays tech? Granted it's moving at 8 miles per second, but our regular e-perbs on our boats have fishermen located within minutes.
Something smells here.