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Falling Energy Costs And Economic Impacts

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Submitted by Lance Roberts via STA Wealth Management,

 

 

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Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:13 | 5606184 knukles
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OB is the Messiah
OB is the Messiah
OB is the Messiah

https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=AwrT6VviBqNUJCkANJYPxQt.;...

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:22 | 5606243 Save_America1st
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I would have thought the mining sector would be loving these "deflationary" fuel costs lately to help offset the rest of their cost margin to dig up the precious. 

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:28 | 5606276 KnuckleDragger-X
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I love the economic assumptions like Big John buying craft beer with the extra, more likely  his wife likely used it at the grocery store on a luxury like a chuck roast....

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:34 | 5606303 Dr. Richard Head
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One of the better posts explaining the zero sum game of income and consumer spending.  I likey!

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:38 | 5606332 Neverstopprintingme
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who wants to be a million dollars that the dow finishes above 18K tomorrow?

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:12 | 5606190 Baby Eating Dingo22
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What's this thing cost?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/delaware-sized-gas-plume-over-west-illu...

 

Delaware-sized gas plume over West illustrates the cost of leaking methane
Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:21 | 5606205 hedgeless_horseman
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Delaware-sized gas plume over West illustrates the cost of leaking methane

Methane?

Who run Bartertown?

As early as next month, the Obama administration will announce new measures to shrink New Mexico’s methane cloud while cracking down nationally on a phenomenon that officials say erodes tax revenue and contributes to climate change. The details are not publicly known, but already a fight is shaping up between the White House and industry supporters in Congress over how intrusive the restrictions will be.

Republican leaders who will take control of the Senate next month have vowed to block measures that they say could throttle domestic energy production at a time when plummeting oil prices are cutting deeply into company profits. Industry officials say they have a strong financial incentive to curb leaks, and companies are moving rapidly to upgrade their equipment.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/delaware-sized-gas-plume-over-west-illu...

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:26 | 5606269 knukles
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Another Conspiracy Theory becomes Conspiracy Fact.

The anti-free energy coalition of Big Power and OBie.

sarc

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:14 | 5606209 blaireauhedge
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DOW on its way to green.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:57 | 5606439 foxmuldar
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Not this time.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:57 | 5606446 Neverstopprintingme
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the walking dead mkt only knows green.  wait till tomorrow the dow is going to get pushed up at least 350 to 400 points.  the days of us ever seeing a 17k handle again over.  18K and above for our lifetime!!!!  when in doubt add stocks with a high price.  nothing say properity like a price weighted average.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:16 | 5606217 LawsofPhysics
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please, 'mericans don't do math.

The spice must flow.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:17 | 5606219 gmak
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Time for some Keynesian to pipe up in a squeaky voice and regale us with the broken window story (fallacy). 

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:18 | 5606229 alexmark2013
Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:22 | 5606246 roadhazard
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I know I'm not worse off because of cheap fuel no matter how much They try and make me feel bad. Oil workers should do like home builders and find a new career like moonshining or something.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:45 | 5606378 Buster Cherry
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Good idea genius, I think tomorrow I'll wake up and be a dentist.

How about you be my first customer?

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 20:55 | 5607484 roadhazard
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Did I hurt your little feeling.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:29 | 5606277 Spungo
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Instead of modeling in terms of dollars or gold, one should model in terms of added value. Example, a business hires someone who previously didn't have a job. Does this expand the economy? Using a dollars model, the answer is no because money is taken from the employer and given to the employee. Using a value added model, the answer is yes because more value is being added; someone went from unemployed to employed, so the overall productivity of the economy increased even though the number of dollars simply shuffled around.

Do falling oil prices expand or contract the economy? In this case, falling prices actually contract the economy because it leads to layoffs. People who were working a few months ago are no longer working. Less value is added to the economy. This is bad.

The price by itself tells you nothing about what's going on. Is this good deflation or bad deflation? Good deflation is when prices fall due to increases in productivity, such as cheaper computers every year. Bad deflation is when there's no demand for the product. Oil is definitely the bad kind of deflation. The price is not falling because we suddenly have too much of it. The price is falling because there's nobody to sell it to.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:31 | 5606288 disabledvet
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My first thought is to question the GDP print not the price.

 

Why did oil prices collapse?  I don't think it was because lower prices are bad news.  Unless of course youre a speculator "trading on winter."

My God!  Winter!  Never had one of those before!

The reason why everyone is so terrified is because there is so much debt "that has to be paid by higher everything." Think I'll wait until Spring before buying anything...

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:32 | 5606289 Ness.
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If the DOW doesn't close green I will lose my confidence in rigged markets.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:42 | 5606358 Buster Cherry
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I live in Houston and totally agree.

 

I'm sort of thinking of selling my house and moving to my weekend place in Somerville to shed property tax, insurance, maintenance, hoa, insurance both home and auto and just live in a mechanical room at work, while I have work. I worry that shortly there wont be any money here for.anyone to buy houses.

 

I want out.  Fuck this shit.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 20:57 | 5607490 roadhazard
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"I want out."

 

Now you are thinking.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:42 | 5606359 Ewtman
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OIL is just the latest commodity to get sucked into the global deflationary vortex. One by one, every asset class is succumbing to the downwardly spiraling pressures. Stocks are the last of the holdouts and they are on their last leg. Fed credit expansion has peaked and now the crutches that held up the stock markets have been tossed aside. Nobody wants anymore credit...

 

http://www.globaldeflationnews.com/jaguar-inflation-a-laymans-explanatio...

 

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 17:33 | 5606639 greyghost
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EWTMAN.....thanks. "fed credit expansion has peaked"!!!!! no more shit articles about "peak oil" "peak earth". after all this is financial blog...."PEAK FED" should be the toast of zero hedge!!!!!!!

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:50 | 5606404 foxmuldar
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Convenience stores make most of their profit off the higher priced stuff they sell. Sodas and Milk, Coffee and sandwiches. If the consumer spends less on gas, then maybe they buy a bigger coffee and perhaps spurge on a large hoagie. I hit a WAWA every morning on my way to work and I see what they are buying. Stuff that they would normally pay less for at a supermarket, they pay much more when they stop for their morning coffee. 

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:58 | 5606440 Grimaldus
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Bullshit article.

 

Gasoline Station Revenue = (-$20)
Flower Show Revenue = +$20
----------------------------------------------------
Net Effect To Economy = $0

 

How about I buy some gold or some land with the savings that I didn't have to spend at the pump? Fuck you and your "need to spend all my money on gas" bullshit.

Grimaldus

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:59 | 5606447 Captain Willard
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He may be right, but he may be wrong. Nobody knows for sure. You have to make a lot of assumptions to prove that lower oil prices help. But it's an easier case to make than the case lower prices hurt overall. There are the classic income and substitution effects to be considere and also investment multipliers.

According to the EIA, we will be net Importers of 2.3 B bbls of crude this year. A $40/ bbl savings is around $90B of net savings to the US economy before all the assumptions. (I'm leaving nat gas out of it). We will produce around 3B barrels this year. So US producers lose $120B of revenue if prices stay at these levels.

Assumptions:

1) We will not blow all the $90B at Walmart on Chinese crap (that is to say that the marginal demand for imports will be far less than $90B). Likely. Positive

2) The investment multiplier effect for this added 90B of consumption in the US will be greater than the loss of the domestic oil industry's investment multiplier. Unlikely. mild Negative

3) The $120B of lost revenue by the US oil industry will be spent on other consumer goods. Likely, as marginal propensity to consume is 95%. 5% negative, ceteris paribus

4) Most of this 120B will be spent in the US. Likely. (sames as point 1). Some leakage through imports, mild neagtive

5) The revenue gain of 120B by other consumer goods companies will result in similar investment multiplier effects in the US as the oil industry. Unlikely. mild negative

It's a mixed bag, but it's probably a net positive. Mr. Roberts' analysis is incomplete and simplistic. 

For him to be right, you have to believe the $90B savings will be overwhelmed by negative investment multiplier effects of the $120B lost to the US oil industry versus the $120B gained by other US industries (less marginal imports of course). This possible, but highly unlikely.

 

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 17:03 | 5606479 Rockfish
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  • Gasoline Prices Fall By $1.00 Per Gallon
  • Consumer Fills Up A 16 Gallon Tank Saving $16 (+16)
  • Gas Station Revenue Falls By $16 For The Transaction (-16)
  • Consumer spends $16 savings in my Bar
  • My Bar receipts +$16
Tue, 12/30/2014 - 17:26 | 5606607 valley chick
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And how many gin and tonics can you get for $16?

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 17:43 | 5606683 Rockfish
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3 +tax ;)

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 17:14 | 5606548 Minuteofangle
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It is a huge disappointment when I read 5th grade analysts post on ZH. Somebody please screen these individuals. The gas station makes cents per gallon whether the retail price is $5 or $2.

 

you're killin me smalls

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 17:20 | 5606578 Gusher
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I see why this post only got one star. Because it is sooo stupid!   Ok we get it that this might effect oil drilling in Texas and ND.  But the rest of us going to have a party!   And what you forgot to mention in this stupid post is low oil price means less of our paycheck going overseas to buy oil. 

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 17:23 | 5606587 TomGa
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An earlier article pointed out that 69% of Americans were using the pump savings to pay down existing debt, not make new purchases.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 17:30 | 5606623 valley chick
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And chasing the constant rise in food prices.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 17:30 | 5606628 petedanels
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Gross receipts pay bills, period.  It's an zero sum game.  We don't need to try and over complicate things by breaking it down to determine net profits...

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 18:16 | 5606839 Mojeaux18
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It's not a zero sum game. It's a zero currency game.  

Gasoline Prices Fall By $1.00 Per Gallon

Consumer Fills Up A 16 Gallon Tank Saving $16 (+16)

Gas Station Revenue Falls By $16 For The Transaction (-16)

Gas Station EXPENSES Falls By $16.
Gas Station sees a net change in profit of $0.
Oil Company sees it's profit fall by $1.60 (as it reduces it's prices).

The consumer will get his 16 gallons and a Roses for his wife.However since most of the country is in debt, the consumer will likely pay down debt (deflationary), allowing banks to loan out more which will lower rates.  Lower rates will give many consumers respite before the oil industry starts laying off people.  
The real winners are the small businesses that also consume gasoline and must travel to make their living.  Their lowered expenses will mean they can lower their prices or increase their margin (usually a little of both).  Economic activity increases.
Which will be stronger?  The decrease in economic activity from the layoffs or the increase from the occasional John buying Roses while the rest simply pay off debt.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 18:20 | 5606859 dscott8186
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It's only zero sum IF the purchase of one thing is exactly equal to the underlying economy as the other.  All purchases are not equal in economic effect.  IF it were then stealing from Donald Trump and then spending it would be a zero effect.  It isn't.  How Donald spends his money, i.e. invests it in productive wealth creating investments is not equal to spending that money on food or gasoline or rent.  

Purchasing gasoline is not the same as purchasing a steak in the USA.  IF the gasoline was sourced from crude oil from Venezuela or Saudi Arabia or Canada, that purchase is funneling money out of the country, a net reduction in economic assets in the US.  Purchase a steak instead, 100% of that money stays in the US.  The real number that needs to be followed is the Net Import and Export number.  

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 18:45 | 5606944 gcjohns1971
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"Gasoline Prices Fall By $1.00 Per Gallon

Consumer Fills Up A 16 Gallon Tank Saving $16 (+16)

Gas Station Revenue Falls By $16 For The Transaction (-16)

End Economic Result = $0"

 

This is a perfect example of confusing currency with money.

Production is money.  Digits are just currency.

Energy is a factor of production.  When energy is cheaper in terms of everything else, then everything else becomes cheaper down the line.

So, no, the economic result is not zero.

The common mistake is made in the other direction, when people note that $3.50 gasoline now is more expensive than $.50 cent gasoline was in the 1950's or 1960's.   When you correct for published inflation it isn't much if any more expensive.  When you correct it for inflation using raw economic prices of the time (i.e. comparing the gas price to other prices) it absolutely is not more expensive.

Similarly, gas isn't really cheaper right now.  Instead you had a printing press redistributing capital from developed economies to energy producers, making gas more expensive HERE while less expensive THERE, and when the printing press stopped the capital hemorage slowed making the prices HERE AND THERE more equal than before. 

Add to that a price war leading to temporary discounts.  ERGO - oil still costs more, but the producer is eating a portion of the cost for competitive reasons.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 06:30 | 5607067 15horses1donkey
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Dumb article. Many dumb comments.

If you can agree that breaking windows and spending money on repairs (a keynesian wet dream) is retarded, how come spending money on flowers is better than spending money on a broken window, or better than spending money on gold?

Spending money on flowers, a broken window, or gold are all unproductive for the most part.

Now, had the flowers been genetically engineered clones using new technologies, if the window had been the latest gas filled insulating variety, or if the gold was worked into computer technology, phones, tablets etc. then perhaps you could claim that the spend was MORE worthwhile as a result of the expanded effects on the economy.

Thinking of it a different way: The more people employed gainfully, including energy and raw materials production, producing a product, the greater effect the purchase of that product has on an economy. No two products are alike, therefore the benefit pattern from a spend is unique. Just buying oil, gas, iron or gold doesn't have the same employment effect due to the gigantic economies of scale and limited skilled labour input these industries enjoy.

Fri, 01/02/2015 - 14:55 | 5615524 grant
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How much economic activity is created by Lance Roberts paying herohedge to promote crappy articles like this?

The gas station in his example is still going to make their same gross profits of ~$0.30/gallon regardless of what they are paying to Saudi Arabia/Russia/Canada/etc. for the raw materials.

I feel sorry for anyone who listens to the advice of a joker like this who is clearly demonstrating the economic savvy of a child.

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