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FBI Busted Falsely Blaming North Korea for Sony Hack

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I hate North Korea’s leaders … They’re not only clowns sporting bad haircuts and weird clothes, but they live in luxury while the population literally starves.

But the FBI’s official assertion that North Korea carried out the attack in retaliation for Sony’s releasing the movie “The Interview” is B.S.

Here’s a sample of top cybersecurity experts who say that North Korea was not behind the hacking attack of Sony:

  • One of the world's leading cyber intelligence firms, Norse (and see this)
  • Renowned hacker, DEFCON organizer, and CloudFlare researcher Marc Rogers
  • John Dickson, a former air force intelligence officer who is now a partner in the cybersecurity firm Denim Group
  • Princeton Professor of Computer Science Ed Felten
  • Former federal prosecutor Mark Rasch of Rasch Technology and Cyberlaw
  • Kim Zetter, an award-winning, senior staff reporter at Wired covering cybercrime, privacy, and security
  • Former Lulzsec hacker turned government informant Sabu
  • Security researcher Grugq

Just because the FBI blames someone doesn't mean they did it.  And see this.

Postscript: Robert Barsocchini argues that the U.S. is to blame for North Korea’s rotten leaders.  And North Korea is more popular with the U.S. public than our own Congress.    Regardless, I still hate North Korea’s leaders for treating their people so poorly.

 

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Wed, 12/31/2014 - 13:16 | 5609309 steelrules
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If you paid attention to the FBI news conference you'll have noticed the the FBI statement was quite clear " The Government has decided it was N. Korea and the FBI supports the government"

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 12:44 | 5609161 Mike Honcho
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NK not guilty...yet.  Feds have over 90% conviction rate, one would say it's statistically impossible.

https://captainincarcerated.wordpress.com/2011/07/04/visitation-2-letter-04-july-2011/

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 11:58 | 5609021 NoWayJose
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Didn't they send the FBI to Ukraine to help cover up the MH17 crash?  That and this North Korean stuff would make them International.  So let's change the name --

from Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)

to the International Federal Investigation Bureau (I-FIB)

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 11:15 | 5608888 Toolshed
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"I still hate North Korea’s leaders for treating their people so poorly."

I still hate the USA's leaders for treating their people so poorly.

FIFY

 

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 09:11 | 5608532 russwinter
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Sony Hacking Fraud Goes Full Circle:

http://winteractionables.com/?p=17470

 

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 08:11 | 5608454 q99x2
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Q99X2's FBI report: I want my money. The banksters have it. I earned it and I want it back.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 02:10 | 5608190 roddy6667
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It's hard to hate the NK government. All we "know" about them are rumors in the MSM planted by the US government and notoriously unreliable "defectors" with hidden agendas.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 12:04 | 5609036 Eagle Keeper
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They just refuse to play the monopoly game with the rest of the world. Good for them....

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 06:39 | 5608372 corbeau
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Congratulations, Roddy. If you are american, then there is a hope. We need only be patient until George Washingtons extinct (according to Darwin).

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 08:48 | 5608502 roddy6667
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I am an American who retired and moved to China. I'm not much for labels, so I don't know what that makes me. Most people are happy and optimistic here. Progress is everywhere.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 11:19 | 5608895 Toolshed
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How much is the Chinese govt. paying you for your nonsense spewing?

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 10:19 | 5608703 Bumbu Sauce
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I'd be pretty happy if I could squat and piss and shit in the street too.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 01:11 | 5608101 kchrisc
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The Zionists' DC US gestapo implicates whoever they are told to implicate.

Columbo they are not. Corrupt they are.

The banksters need to repay us.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 00:22 | 5608025 are we there yet
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Obama's is turning into Rodney Dangerfield in the respect department. I have lost count of his uncredible blunders. Remember the nerve weapons charges with Asad where Asad sadly looked more credible than our Obama. It is like watching a pro football team being coached by a high school coach. My apologies to high school coaches.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 01:01 | 5608087 dexter_morgan
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He is leading the country like Marc Trestman led the Chicago Bears........but at least he was fired for it.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 08:27 | 5608474 Ahoy Polloi
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Trestman wasn't the problem. Paying Cutler $125 million was. Cutler was a disinterested hack. Fucking Jimmy Clausen, who has half the 'talent' of Cutler & was working without Brandon Marshall, worked Trestmans system very effectively vs. a top 5 defense [Detroit Lions].

 

Blame Cutler & the GM. Anyway, they'll both be gone.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 11:27 | 5608934 Savyindallas
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Cutler is a slightly above average journeyman QB - in the same mold as Sanchez and Kyle Orton  -worth mabe $4 million a year. people have always bashed Rom0  - I have always thought he was a top tier QB- we'll see in the playoffs. 

Hey Tyler-cn we start a football thread for the playoffs?

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 12:02 | 5609028 detached.amusement
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Romo:top tier

1%:.1%

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 00:23 | 5608023 dexter_morgan
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look at our shocked faces........

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 00:21 | 5608019 SmittyinLA
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How much debt has the Nork govt dumped on the Nork people?

How many illegals do they make their citizens subsidize?

How many babies do they abort?

What % of the Nork population are imported scabs?

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 10:21 | 5608713 Bumbu Sauce
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What % of Norks are absolute slaves to their government?

What % of Norks are in hard labor camps?

You are a 100% fucking idiot.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 00:08 | 5607993 HenryHall
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It's non news. Everyone knows that the FBI lies and cheats at every turn; has no decency, integrity or honesty. All those things are history now.

But it has come to be expected of them. Nobody really cares anymore.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 23:47 | 5607959 xavi1951
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GW

I heard this on the radio earlier today.  Not news to me.  Type faster!

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 22:04 | 5607694 Bemused Observer
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If China was smart, they'd provide the assurances NK needs to feel secure, and convince them to ditch their nukes...

That removes the big reason the US has a military presence there.

Surely someone in China can convince the Kims that their nuclear program only provides an excuse for the US to be there, while providing little protection in the event of a confrontation. It is security that paranoid little nation WANTS...give it to them and watch the facade crack...If China can convince them that no one is going to be allowed to run them over, the whole "Us against the world" thing will lose its grip on these people.

NK is a cult that happens to be nation-sized. You can't talk to them like you do regular world leaders. Like Koresh, or The People's Temple, these folks don't respond normally to confrontations...you'll never reason with them that way. All you'll do is bring them together in a kind of suicidal determination to resist you whatever the cost.

Back off, de-escalate the situation, then re-approach after tensions cool for a better result.

But if I was China I'd want all those US troops out of my backyard, and I'd be damned if I'd let the antics of my crazy neighbor give them justification for staying. Especially if I envisioned some kind of Eurasian trade zone down the road, with me as the big man on campus...You got to clean out the riff-raff before the Grand Opening, get rid of the raving lunatics threatening everyone who looks at them funny...and then get the North Koreans in line.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 13:05 | 5609248 WhyWait
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North Korea is hard to figure out - through North American eyes.  One thing they certainly are though is nationalist.  

They see themselves as the heroes of Korean national liberation, heirs to the strggle to free Korea from Japanese colonialism, heroes and survivors of a titanic struggle against a US attempt to reimpose colonial rule.  Their story is they are the survivors of a war that utterly destroyed much of Korea and killed a huge proportion of its population, a survival which seems inconceivable in retrospect.  They are survivors of a 60-year economic embargo and sabotage campaign that crippled and distorted their struggles to reconstruct.  They confront what to them appears as a large and agressive nuclear-armed colonial army with mixed US and Korean troops under control of US generals, a force that's sworn to their destruction.  And they look around and see a world with no real allies, where their former Soviet and Chinese allies have largely abandoned socialism but still have an interest in keeping the US out.

Are they nuts?  Maybe; it certainly looks that way from here.  Are they a menace to the world?  Seriously?  Get real!  Are they dangerous?  Certainly yes, to anyone who tries to attack them.  And to their own people. But that is how they have survived so far, and they are unlikely to give up on a successful survival strategy in the face of danger and threats.

Could the North Koreans win the Korean Civil War of 1950-20xx ? Maybe, if the South Korean economy collapses completely and what they see as the South Korean colonial government takes off the mask and rules by naked repression - which will probably happen.  And if the South Korean people rise up against that government - possible.  And their own government can avoid collapse from its own rot, hypocrisy and corruption - less likely, but they can't afford to admit that even to themselves

One possible scenario: North Korea collapses under a US-organized color revolution that devolves into anarchy as South Korea also collapses. US-led South Korean forces move into the North as the anarchy spreads to the South. Iraq-style partisan warfare led by North Korean officers spreads and Korea merges into an arc of partisan warfare from Japan and the Philippines to Morocco, Ukraine (and perhaps Germany) to the Congo and probably Mexico to Venezuela. This will grow and spread, at a huge cost in lives and treasure, bogging down the Anglo-American Empire and continuing until its complete exhaustion and collapse.  The bright side is it will sap the ability of the Overlords to launch a thermonuclear war on Russia and China - but they could stumble into it anyway in their growing desperation and panic. 

War-ruined countries with shattered economies everywhere (including the US) would then face the question of what to build on the rubble of the old, amidst the struggle with the urgent tasks of survival and public safety.  Perhaps this will resemble the bleak scenario that produced North Korea.

Probably not a good investment climate in the short term. 

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 12:04 | 5609033 detached.amusement
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and they would have received the Koresh treatment had they not nukes in the shed and china in the backyard

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 00:34 | 5608047 semperfi
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China is very smart. They can play that card anytime. But they are saving it for when they really need it.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 20:59 | 5607499 Reaper
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Cui bono? If NK did the hack, why not take credit? How does NK benefit? What are the known facts: Obama often lies (no link needed)and the FBI lies http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/us-reviewing-27-death-penalty-...
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law-july-dec12-fbi_07-11/

Sony benefits with its release - Obama benefits by diversions and self-puffery - the media gets its trained sheeple to emote against NK - internet censorship/control advances in Congress - the stupid get to go to the theater on Christmas Day.

The FBI fails to notice the continuing Modus Operandi of the US government to demonize, to grandstand, to take token action, to make threats, and to lie.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 20:53 | 5607469 cherry picker
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George;

 

You state you hate NK for how the people are treated, yet you do not wish to accuse them of somehing they are innocent of, or at least the proof is not there.

That is the difference between you and the White House.  They hate NK and Russia too and don't care if they have proof if they did it or not.  They are good at proclaiming guilt when there is more than reasonable doubt.  If there is proof, why hide it?

Until that changes, there will be little hope for peace.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 21:48 | 5607636 weburke
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"they" hate ? north korea, hmmm bill clinton was made to go there in person  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3pLB9kmxm0

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 20:03 | 5607290 yellowsub
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Sony's now former CISO worked at DHS.  Unlikely he didn't know about the security tools out there or probably had a hand in it...

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 19:28 | 5607144 pelican
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It is really a poor piece of journalism from the NY Post.  They should stick to Kim Kardasians boobs and Prince Henry's haircuts.

http://nypost.com/2014/12/30/new-evidence-sony-hack-was-inside-job-cyber...

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 19:27 | 5607142 Charles Wilson
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Why does this remind me of parts of KAL-007?  The first hours of that story found the CIA stating that the plane had landed in Kamchatka. That story is found on page 1 of the St. Petersburg Times the next day.  Then, without apology, that trail became "Inoperative".  Yeah.  OK.

 

I hate it when Power Plays are carried out by the American Poliburo, as appears to be the case here.  Who gets airbrushed out of what photo these days?

 

CW

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 19:17 | 5607094 Richard Whitney
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The very first FBI report was that this was an inside job. Sort of like the Roswell legend, that was scrubbed the next day. The Guardians of Peace never mentioned the film until after the press started speculation.

So why did BHO make such an overt claim that it was DPRK? Did the WH reverse the FBI finding? Even before his Dec 19 statement, there was no security firm, expert/blogger who considered DPRK a suspect. In fact, they categorically rejected it based on the evidence.

Somebody was zooming us.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 19:44 | 5607220 crazzziecanuck
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Because the population would not tolerate the Asian pivot (aka "encircling China") without some other reason to do so.  You can't establish new bases abroad when you are seting the stirrings of a population, at best, indifferernt to American forces overseas.  So, the solution is to find some crazed guy and turn him into the next Adolph Hitler.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 20:22 | 5607343 Thirtyseven
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You mean like Bashar, Qadaffi, and Saddam? Nevermind that these guys are/were not very nice guys (they weren't) and statists, but at least they held their countries together in a region where the predominant culture needs a heavy hand to hold chaos at bay (not my personal ideals, just reality).

Oh and Kohemeini, Ahmadi-Nejad, and Rouhanni (new president).  Remember that Iran is the ultimate target because they are the most adamantly against American Imperialism.

North Korea's leaders are pretty bad.  Their government is awful, but they are not Hitler.  Hitler wasn't even as bad as Hitler.  At least not the Hitler they try to portray these days and who every statist tries to accuse their political opponents of being.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 11:39 | 5608966 SoilMyselfRotten
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And so telling that the axis of evilest countries have no Central Banks. Just a coincuidence, move along.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 19:41 | 5607214 George Washington
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"The very first FBI report was that this was an inside job"

Do you have a link?

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 19:18 | 5607079 pelican
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These private companies are guessing.. The private company that is doing the investigation, which is most likely Mandiant, sign a non disclosure agreement. They and the FBI see all the logs.

Only Sony, the FBI, and the private company doing internal forensics work truly know all the evidence.  All else is theory.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 20:58 | 5607488 Agstacker
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And the FBI would never, ever lie to the American public.  Ever.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 11:41 | 5608968 SoilMyselfRotten
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Yep, shaddup and listen to your authorities

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 19:03 | 5607038 'argar the 'orrible
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GW. I  assume you have been to NK, and not just been shown some photo's or a 'clandestine' visit. Way back when Russia was the USSR my wife and I visited St. Petersburg as it is now, or Leningrad, as was. We were advised not to go for a variety of reasons, including dire warnings that we would be mugged and other unpleasant actions would befall us. Needless to say nothing happened and it was one of our most surprising holidays. We travelled all over by bus and railway managing to get lost including a trip to a outer suburb the size of which I have never seen since.

I have since then not beleived all I am told and prefer to go and see for myself.

The country may be as you describe, but Vladmir Putin is described as the devil, yet, he can walk among his citizens without harm, can as much be said for Barack Obama, a man so beloved by his people, he has snipers on the roof of his house.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 19:57 | 5607271 Transformer
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You left out his children's school.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 19:44 | 5607226 cynicalskeptic
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The US is 'the best'..... they don't want citizens finding out otherwise.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 19:04 | 5607027 pelican
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wrong location

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 18:56 | 5606996 'argar the 'orrible
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GW. I  assume you have been to NK, and not just been shown some photo's or a 'clandestine' visit. Way back when Russia was the USSR my wife and I visited St. Petersburg as it is now, or Leningrad, as was. We were advised not to go for a variety of reasons, including dire warnings that we would be mugged and other unpleasant actions would befall us. Needless to say nothing happened and it was one of our most surprising holidays. We travelled all over by bus and railway managing to get lost including a trip to a outer suburb the size of which I have never seen since.

I have since then not beleived all I am told and prefer to go and see for myself.

The country may be as you describe, but Vladmir Putin is described as the devil yet, he can walk among his citizens without harm, can as much be said for Barack Obama, a man so beloved by his people, he has snipers on the roof of his house.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 18:58 | 5607010 George Washington
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No, I have never been to NK.  I am an ignorant American ...

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 19:25 | 5607128 Transformer
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Hey, don't feel bad about it.  We can't all afford to go the latest hot vacation spot.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 00:16 | 5608011 Thorny Xi
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NK will do well once the oil runs out, hosting "How to live with jack sh!t nothing" seminars for former western city dwellers.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 18:54 | 5606986 rwe2late
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 The key point is that any hacking of the SONY corporation was not an act of war by the NKorean government.

 

However, the takedown of a nation's (NKorea's) nation-wide internet

could be deemed an illegal act of war done with a flimsy excuse which was false as well.

 

How do the computer nerds explain the NK internet shutdown?

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