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AirAsia Wreckage Reveals Latest Plane Crash Mystery
Update: sure enough, the story has changed. Per the Reuters update:
Tatang Zaenudin, an official with Indonesia's search and rescue agency, said earlier that one of the bodies had been found wearing a life jacket.
But he later said no victim had been recovered with a life jacket on.
"We found a body at 8.20 a.m. and a life jacket at 10.32 a.m. so there was a time difference. This is the latest information we have," he told Reuters.
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In a year full of airplane crash mysteries, starting with the still undiscovered Malaysia flight MH-370, going through that 'other' Malaysian flight, MH-17, where the debate of just who shot it down will also never be resolved to everyone's satisfaction, it was only fitting that in closing the year, the wreckage of AirAsia flight QZ8501 which now has been confirmed to have crashed this past weekend 40 minutes into its flight from Surabaya to Singapore, should provide the latest unexplained mystery.
First a quick update on the rescue effort: as Reuters reported earlier today, the wreckage appears to have been uncovered after rescuers said they have found the plane on the sea floor off Borneo, where sonar detected a large, dark object beneath waters near where debris and bodies were found on the surface.
Ships and planes had been scouring the Java Sea for Flight QZ8501 since Sunday, when it lost contact during bad weather about 40 minutes into its flight from Surabaya to Singapore.
Seven bodies have been recovered from the sea, some fully clothed, which could indicate the Airbus A320-200 was intact when it hit the water. That would support a theory that it suffered an aerodynamic stall.
So far nothing surprising. And yet what is strange is that also from Reuters we learn that "a body recovered on Wednesday from the crashed AirAsia plane was wearing a life jacket, an Indonesian search and rescue official said, raising new questions about how the disaster unfolded.
"This morning, we recovered a total of four bodies and one of them was wearing a life jacket," Tatang Zaenudin, an official with the search and rescue agency, told Reuters.
He declined to speculate on what the find might mean. AirAsia Chief Executive Tony Fernandes told reporters there had been no confirmation yet of the sonar image, nor of the discovery of the body wearing a life jacket.
Why is this surprising? Because as Reuters also conveniently notes, the fact that one person put on a life jacket suggests those on board had time before the aircraft hit the water, or before it sank. And yet the pilots did not issue a distress signal. The plane disappeared after it asked for permission to fly higher to avoid bad weather."
A pilot who works for a Gulf carrier said the life jacket indicated the cause of the crash was not "catastrophic failure". Instead, the plane could have stalled and then come down, possibly because its instruments iced up and gave the pilots inaccurate readings.
"There was time. It means the thing didn't just fall out of the sky," said the pilot, who declined to be identified.
He said it could take a minute for a plane to come down from 30,000 feet and the pilots could have experienced "tunnel vision ... too overloaded" to send a distress call.
So... a plunging plane with over 160 people on board, a very experienced pilot, in fact a former air force fighter pilot with 6,100 flying hours under his belt, a sturdy Airbus 320 with hardly any crashes or fatalities in its history, one that last underwent maintenance just a month ago in mid-November... and then suddenly everything goes to hell, the pilots lose control and are somehow "too overloaded" to send a distress call?
Hardly; in fact the story makes no sense at all, which brings us to the latest unexplained airplane crash mystery.
Which is why we expect this story to be promptly revised as this type of loose end is hardly acceptable to those who enjoy controlling a laminar, free-flowing narrative.
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From a pilot's perspective .... YES, any pilot can QUICKLY become overloaded enough with an emergency to not make a final mayday call. First and foremost drilled at you in training is FLY THE AIRPLANE .... everything else comes second. Severe turbulance in a thunderstorm can make any plane of any size, weight or power become uncontrollable.
yeah the weather thing sorta makes sense. however, in the context of being the 3rd plane to go bye bye- this needs some serious inquiry.
To me the only mystery was the lack of the underwater "ping" after the crash. Or was that finally detected?
Over the past 15 years, there have been globally, on average, a total of approximately 3 crashes per year of airliners resulting in 99 or more fatalities.
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm
1) December 27, 2014 7:24 a.m. (EST) - Malaysian airline AirAsia flight QZ 8501 disappears (167 apparent fatalities)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2014/12/27/airasia-flight-disappears-on-flight-from-indonesia-to-singapore/
2) December 24, 2014 - Obama golf's with Malaysia's Prime Minister
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/12/24/in-hawaii-obama-golfs-with-malaysian-prime-minister-najib-razak/
3) July 17, 2014 - Malaysian Airlines MH 17 shot down over Ukraine (298 fatalities)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
4) March 8, 2014 Malaysian Airlines MH 370 disappears (239 apparent fatalities)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370
Malaysia's Gold Currency
September 2010
"...The Malaysian News Agency - Bernama reported today that the state of Kelantan, on the North East Coast of Malaysia, paved the way to become the first state in Malaysia to introduce the gold dinar and silver dirham currency. When launching the Shariah currency, the Chief Minister of Kelantan said the state would strive to expand the use of the gold dinar and silver dirham in all transactions, including paying civil servants' remuneration...."
https://www.sunzu.com/articles/islamic-banking-finance-malaysia-launches-gold-dinar-and-silver-dirham-as-shariah-currency-153511/
July 4, 2003
"...Malaysia, Iran bank on dollar alternative
By Kalinga Seneviratne
KUALA LUMPUR - Malaysia's efforts to use the gold dinar for trade with Iran is Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad's latest initiative to overhaul the international financial system, which he has long criticized as being skewed toward rich countries and speculators.
If successful, this could be extended to 32 countries that have bilateral payments arrangements (BPA) with Malaysia, Mahathir told an international convention here on Tuesday on the gold dinar as an alternative international currency. ... "
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/EG04Ae03.html
Can Malaysia's Islamic gold dinar thwart capitalism?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/jul/17/malaysia-gold-dinar-thwart-capitalism
Gadaffi's Gold Currency:
Saving the world economy from Gaddafi
http://rt.com/news/economy-oil-gold-libya/
so is there some sort of convergence metric of the DOW vs AIRPLANE Fatalities? dow 18000/750 deaths? tyler do you have a chart?
good info tho man. wasnt up on the gold story
Advertisers wish they had another good missing plane story but this story sucks. It's all a destraction from this story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI6tBwVjyOY
Its a "fly by wire" aircraft, doesn't take two pilots movie style.
Fascinating site with transcripts from black boxes: http://aviation-safety.net/investigation/cvr/transcripts/
My guess is that this instance is a musloid pilot suicide job; a-la Egypt Air 990 (or is it al-lah). Pilot gets alone in the cockpit, locks the door and piles it in all while uttering “Tawkalt ala Allah” (I rely on Allah) over and over.
Interesting that the FAA’s link for cockpit voice recorder transcript for Egypt Air 990 is no longer live. Hmmmm.
http://www.ntsb.gov/pages/error.aspx?oldUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ntsb.gov%2Fevents%2FEA990%2Fdocket%2FEx_12A.pdf
Atlantic article: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/11/the-crash-of-egyptair-990/302332/?single_page=true
Pings from the black boxes should be easy to detect since it appears that shallow water at a very specific location is the search area.
As an avionics software engineer for 20+ years, I'm wondering if a lightning strike directly on the windshield in heavy rain or softball sized hail could have blown it out, and the resulting onslaught of rain drops/hail at speed (300 to 500 mph) could incapacitate the crew almost immediately with no time to issue a distress call. A windshield might survive a single bird strike simulation with a frozen chicken, but what about 50 to 200 frozen large ice chunks at speed when flying through the core of a large hail producing storm? The lethality of rain drops or hail goes up with the square of the velocity. At anywhere near 500 mph, the amount of rain/hail entering a cockpit would have tremendous amounts of energy and damaging force.
Advertisers wish they had another good missing plane story but this story sucks. It's all a destraction from this story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI6tBwVjyOY
The hypocrisy of you spamming this story speaks volumes.
Considering the odds involved of all three planes being Malaysian, this makes more sense than than random coincidence.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action"
three planes down and counting since.....
Malaysian PM: CIA Or Mossad Behind 9/11
November 20, 2012
http://weaselzippers.us/129435-former-malaysian-pm-cia-or-mossad-behind-...
Malaysian PM in solidarity visit to Gaza
22 Jan 2013
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/01/201312217433802414.html
I think this might be relevant. "Air Asia CEO Dumps over a Million Shares in Air Asia Insurance Company a few days before Plane Disappears"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/airasia-ceo-dumped-shares-days-before-fligh...
And don't forget this one. The zionist banksters don't like countries taking control of their currency out of khazar hands:
http://www.econedlink.org/lessons/index.php?lid=25&type=student
I know how little we can trust Wikipedia this but this shows Malaysia has made some powerful enemies....
The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission (KLWCT), also known as the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal, is a Malaysian organisation established in 2007 by Mahathir Mohamad to investigate war crimes.[1][2] The KLWCC was instigated as an alternative to the International Criminal Court in The Hague, which Mahathir accused of bias in its selection of cases to cover.[3]
In November 2011 the tribunal purportedly exercised universal jurisdiction to try in absentia former US President George W. Bush and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, convicting both for crimes against peace because of what the tribunal concluded was the unlawful invasion of Iraq.[7][8][9]In May 2012 after hearing testimony for a week from victims of torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, the tribunal unanimously convicted in absentia former President Bush, former Vice President Dick Cheney, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, former Deputy Assistant Attorneys General John Yoo andJay Bybee, former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, and former counselors David Addington and William Haynes II of conspiracy to commit war crimes, specifically torture.[10] The tribunal referred their findings to the chief prosecutor at the International Court of Justice in the Hague.[11]
In November 2013, the tribunal convicted State of Israel guilty of genocide of the Palestinian people and convicted former Israeli general Amos Yaron forcrimes against humanity and genocide for his involvement in the Sabra and Shatila massacre.[12]
I don't know if the Commission or the persons engaged in it's Tribunal which delivered the verdict (after a 4 day hearing) have political or faith-based leanings, but several news agencies of different complexions confirm what you say.
Probably didn't de-ice the plane before leaving, seeing as it was 35 degrees when they left and negative 30 when they went down. Since this crash isn't in a war zone and the wreckage has been found, I'm sure a thorough investigation will occur.
Couldn't find the wreckage a few miles from last known position?
Didn't want to find the wreckage a few miles from last known position until a few days had passed?
Monsoon season there. Low clouds, heavy rain, high winds. The searchers could have passed within half a mile of the wreckage and not seen it. Not sayin'. Just sayin'.
Here's a question:
If I flip a coin 4 times and it comes up heads each time, what are odds of it coming up heads on the fifth toss?
I should imagine 50% chance yeah?
Near 100%, if it has a head on both sides.
-30 in Indonesia... yeah ok.
+35 at ground level, -30 at 33,000 feet.
Ah, that's 35 C, or about 95 F. Not much to de-ice in the tropics at sea level, except maybe a Mai Tai. At FL330, on the other hand, it might have been about -45 C with lots of humidity.
Also of interest but rarely mentioned is the significant uptick in pilot, aircrew and airframe fatigue/health issues, possibly due to high altitude Fuku radiation, and/or the associated Wigner Effect.
Wigner Effect playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw3jzIFn_oatFAZOBtdYVGmA9X0UifREU
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3/13/12 geiger counter in airplane Radiation Measuring?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2IMEk1dvNw
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Radiation at 36000 Feet! - Geiger Counter on an Airplane?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwYs0Ue4SbI
Airline Anomalies Post Fukushima fb page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Airline-Anomalies-Post-Fukushima/35446083...
Logged in to say this, not a pilot, but it's a stretch to presume humans behave like automatons. Sure, this pilot had X million hours under his belt, but this could have been his first major emergency.
in the context of EVERY plane crash, how many pilots have issued may-days? this might give some insight into this tunnel vision debacle
There's almost no way to know that for certain. Information overload does funny things to the brain, like cause a pilot to use his radio improperly, making him/her think they're transmitting a mayday, but not be.
I say just issue kevlar+flameproof suits with helmets and auto-inflating lifevests at the beginning of the flight, and be done with it.
the spin will be that the passenger put the vest on AFTER the plane crashed.....MSM can thank me later
that weather is typical of the region... we get it, oh about the same time EVERY year.
So whats the cause for "panic" and failure to send a distress signal which should be automatic? I do not comprehend this - no expert but I am used to the weather and travel in this region over many years.
and last!
remind me again how long it takes to descend from 35,000 feet?
Thats why planes of this size have more than one pilot... if one guy is fighting for control of the plane then what the fuck was the other guy doing when he could have been sending distress signals.
He was probably sniffing glue.
A pretty good response to any crisis really. If you're gonna go may as well go high on glue...
I'd be pissed off if I got to the afterlife sober.
Where was that cute sweet flight attendent who always wears her uniform too short, too tight and unbuttoned?
...just asking....
Victor was unsure of his vector.
Is Victor Mature? Oh, wrong movie. My bad. Is Kim Jong Il? What, wrong movie again. Fuck it - happy New Year:)
Note to self: When leaving Malaysia, take boat.
Roger that
Yes, Roger has been known to wear his uniform too short, too tight and unbuttoned...
Clarence didn't have clearance.
No one on board spoke jive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzIcec_bQss
"Chump dont want no help, chump dont get no help"
Plus they simulate all kinds of emergencies on a very regular basis, so that they _indeed_ behave like automatons when a real emergency occurs. That's why pilots usually behave so calmly in the direst situations (listen to the pilot who landed his jumbojet in the hudson if you still doubt this). It simply doesn't make sense that neither two conscious pilots couldn't place a mayday (it's flying 101 to help with rescue after crash/landing).
...the co-pilot could have been going through check lists, fault finding, assisting the captain with flight readings/controls etc... anything and everything perhaps to get control of the aircraft. Priority is 'fly the plane'... throwing out a "Mayday" or "Pan Pan Pan" does nothing but alert ATC that there is an onboard problem.
I'm not a pilot....I don't work for Boeing or Airbus. There's the disclaimer.
However it sure seems to me, with all the advanced electronics on a plane with 'ground warning systems', 'fly by wire technology' etc. that, the plane's electronics know exactly when the plane is in trouble. I take that back....I know I know the plane's warning systems know when it's in trouble.
Then why in the hell do you have to rely on a pilot sending a distress call. Why doesn't the plane itself automatically start blasting out alarms, pings, location beacons, mayday signals, etc..!!
It does seem rational to me to have a system wherein planes which are descending at greater than X amount per minute should begin automatically broadcasting telemetry or a beacon or anything to denote a plane in trouble. I would guess, however, that traditional piloting just hasn't opened up any minds to this sort of addition.
Most commercial pilots, keep in mind, are ex military pilots. These guys are macho elites turned into bus drivers. They're the equivalent of taking ex formula-1 drivers and creating a union of mass transit drivers from that. These are guys who are used to being in complete control and likely have too high an opinion of their own ability to control their aircraft in all situations. That is not to imply that they're wrong, they certaintly have significant talent. But this is a far cry from the auto industry that throws pimply-faced teenagers into steel cages and recognized long ago that things like airbags, seatbelts, cumple zones, etc were a good idea.
In short, I think it's pilot culture that just hasn't asked for such things.
good thoughts...I mean, you know IT guys all over the planet will get real time notifications 24/7 for hundreds of exceptions coming out of a data center. even if the temperature gets slightly too high.
So...why can't Air Traffic Control, Maintenance Control, Maintenance and every senior executive at AirAsia get a real time notification when one of their aircraft is dropping like a rock. Doesn't seem like too much to ask.
They had a real time notification. It fell off the fucking radar sreens and communications dropped.
Maybe something a shade earlier than that would help?
He was trying to make sense of confilicting instrument and warning lights. What the fuck good does sending out a distress signal do when you've got one minute to solve the problem or everyone is dead? As a pilot myself, you're taught to Aviate, Navigate then Communicate.
As a ZeroHedge regular, I was taught to Ruminate, Bloviate, then Masturbate.
For this year's New Year Resolution I think I'm going to ignore all news.
This story here has already been updated once since Tyler put it up.
Yesterday the news was the Sony hacking deal was done by a disgruntled employee. Now, one day later, the hackers are back to being a group with their sights set on the media. It would come as no surprise to learn that these early reports of wreckage get thrown down the memory hole and the flight safely landed in Orlando.
I believe there was a lot of confusion in the cockpit between the Pilot, Clarence, the co-pilot Roger, and the engineer Vector.
When falling from the sky like a rock, the last thing I would think of is issuing a may-day. I mean its not like a listener is going to be able to reach out and stop your freefall.
Unfortunately many people never confronted life or death situations involving mother nature. These are the people who make opinions based on their own experience, which is based on movies and books, but for those of us who faced it in life, there is no substitute.
You are right, your attention is getting things stabalized first, everything else is icing on a cake, if they are fortunate to make it.
If they've found the fuselage, hopefully they'll find the CVR & FDR too.
That's what electronics are for; to automate tasks. I don't understand how a plane with modern avionics can simply disappear and no one knows a damn thing. Just more fucking BS.
Total electrical failure on a fly by wire aircraft. It is concievable just very unpopular with Airbus.
Aircraft got hit by lightning and they made a forced landing. Maydays were sent out but not enough juice in battery to have an effective range ?
@stackers...
I'm assuming you are a pilot, and what you say makes logical sense.. thats exactly what I would do.
Which is why I questioned my pilot buddy for explaining that the only 3 rules are "communicate, navigate, fly the plane, in that order..
I'm not a pilot, and this seems silly to me.
Could you elaborate?
Well it's clear to me that these pilots were not as skilled & well trained as Mohammed Atta.
If I may be bold enough to answer your Q... in ordinary flight, your buddy's '3 rules' pretty much sums it up.
...in an emergency situation though, which would you focus on first and foremost? think about it.
Issuing a mayday is easy flick a swith to guard press button on yoke or joy stick while flying spew your fear into the air. No one can rescue you without a mayday and position. Most aircraft are dynamically stable and will recover from stall without too much pilot input. No mayday, means a disaster. No time to even get scared. Flying into a thunder storm is an emergency situation but it is easy to climb above. The aircraft was at 33,000 climbing to 37,000, you start the climb and ask for permission for the new flight level. Basically clearing the path. Something bad happened that left the pilot unable to communicate, some type of explosion maybe.
Another bullshit story. Thunderstorms in the ITCZ (inter tropical convergence zone) can grow up to 50000 feet, way above the normal service ceiling of modern civil airliners. Trying to outclimb a Cb (thunderstorm) is suicide and another big no-no in aviation.
As far as your bullshit "electrical failure story" goes: batteries in civil airliners have to have battery power for at least 30 minutes. Plunging down to earth from 34000 feet would only take minutes...
Nice language from a Professional. Service ceiling of the Aircraft is 39,000 feet, agreed. However it is normal to climb above thunderstorms, which is the procedure followed.
I agree penetrating a thunderstorm and climbing above it while in it is a disaster. Still plenty of time to radio. I hope you watch that mouth of your while flying. I am not sure what has you be soo angry.
Sorry, but I'm getting annoyed by amateurs hijacking 'my' industry in order to promote their twisted conspiracy theories.
From a pilot's perspective most of it makes perfect sense and is standard daily practice in the summer (US and Europe) or in tropical areas: asking for left/right deviations around major thunderstorms and/or asking ATC for higher because of fuel efficiency or because you are 'riding the tops' (harmless slightly turbulent layer of clouds) and want to give passengers a smoother ride.
Again, outclimbing a tropical thunderstorm near the equator is simply not done. In more northern or southern latitudes, during the spring or autumn this can be done as these thunderstorms generally only reach up to roughly 20-25000 feet, but not in the tropics. If the captain (ex-military, see my post below...) really tried to do, or tried to fly too close to a thunderstorm and got caught in severe clear air turbulence this then it was totally reckless.
Unfortunately Indonesia does not have the best safety record, just do a search for Lion Air.
Whatever hit them must have really preoccupied them and prevented them (ie the pilots) from making a mayday call, but again, this is normal in a sense that pilots are trained to 1) aviate, 2) navigate and only then to 3) communicate.
Let's wait for the FDR (Flight Data Recorder) and CVR (Cockpit Voice Recorder) to be recovered and analyzed before before people get all too carried away with their "Malaysia wants a gold standard and is being punished by the Rothschilds" or "it was the Russians" conspiracies.
Kotz, is it possible the Chemtrail tanks shifted during the sudden altitude change, unexpectedly crushing the flight crew beneath tanks of benzene, fluoride, and aluminum powder?
Thank you. In these pages, as you may know, EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. The less knowledge they have, the more certain they become. Oh, and those with actual knowledge are "trolls".
Three Malaysian Airliners wind up disappeared or destroyed in a year under as yet unexplained circumstances and right on schedule, chindit, the undercover, zino-asslicker from way back, is here to tell us that ... of course, there's nothing to see here. Gee thanks a lot chindit. I hope you wind up getting that reward you so truely deserve.
Kotz, Payne (IIRC) is in fact a pilot. Surprised he didn't weigh in already to tell you so.
For a guy who has only been here a few weeks, you talk a lot of shit.
True, I've only registered here a few weeks ago, but I do have >20 years experience as an airline pilot, currently flying Boeing 747-400 and 747-8's.
So if I'm full of shit, then please enlighten us: what happens onboard of an aircraft? How do pilots deal with thunderstorms? How do they deal with stalls? What is coffin corner? How far (laterally and vertically) should you stay away from thunderstorms? (That should quickly answer the question about outcliming thunderstorms...) What are the speed and flight envelop protections on an Airbus, and how do they work?
I like this site for the geopolitical news, but after reading the amount of nonsense here, I also quickly learned to take most things with a large grain of salt. Just like the mainstream media, some people here too seem to have their personal agenda (plugging gold with the aid of conspiracy theories) and never pass an opportunity to twist some news story around to suit their thinking.
Don't let the facts from airline pilots get in the way of a good conspiracy story!
Here is another great story for you: http://avherald.com/h?article=47f968b7&opt=0 Make sure to watch the video and then let us know how this fits into some Goldman Sachs or Rothschild conspiracy story!
Ha ha, it's easy to tell you're new. FYI, Coincidence Theorists don't last long here. At ZH, we take a more informed view.
I didn't say you were "full of shit", I said you "talk a lot of shit". You know, like a fucking new guy would.
Anyways. Let's see how long you last here. Keep your mouth shut and your ears open, you just might learn something.
it also happens every wet season every single year that there are such storms...
I'm a pilot, as well, and your pilot buddy has those rules backwards. It's "Aviate, navigate, communicate, in that order."
Stackers, isn't there also a switch to flip to send a mayday? If there was conscience time for someone to put on a vet you would think there would be time to flip a switch.
Aviate, navigate and communicate. In that order.
Yes Stackers, as a fellow airline pilot I fully agree: aviate, navigate, communicate.
Unfortunately articles like these also demonstrate how easy it is for some topics to get hijacked in order to suit someone else's conspiracy agenda.
Agreed - I'm a light sport pilot with only 580 hours and counting, but when the dear old Continental 65 ate a valve at 3,000 feet and the prop stopped, it was aviate (looked over shoulder, pick fairly big river bar and made decision to land there); navigate (establish best glide speed, initiate turn to LZ [I'm also a ex jumper and paraglider pilot]); continue to fly airplane and finish check list in my head: shutg off fuel, tighten seat belt, raise window and drop door; THEN communicate - hit one button for emergency channel 121.5, issue mayday and location once; then continue to fly the aircraft. Made a very nice landing on the river bar, if I do say so myself, because ALL I was doing at that point was landing the aircraft, with one shot at it.
Tis strange, with two pilots and lots more training than I'll ever have that no mayday call was initiated, even if things are really going to hell in a hurry. It takes awhile, even if you lost a wing, to decend from 30 grand, and a mayday and location call can be made really quickly - could be important to some of the passengers that might survive to be found quickly - and it is definetly part of the drill, even though it is an old aviation saying that the guy on the ground that hears the call can't help you (usually) fly the plane much when it is going down.
They don't have a co-pilot because, they need someone to communicate. They have a co-pilot because, an A320 is a lot more complex than your LSA. Especially in an emergency.
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OK, that's all well and good, but none of us was there.
Ya mean the US mainstream 'news' hasn't blamed the Russkies yet ?
Thank you and I have to call complete bullcrap on this post, there is nothing whatsoever mysterious or mystical about a lightning strike, or multiple lightning strikes, taking down an airliner. Happens every so often, unfortunately!
The aircraft commander did indeed request to fly above the thunderstorm, no doubt viewing or anticipating such a possible event.
Ground control responded in the negative, too much traffic they stated.
And at those altitutdes, balled lightning is a possibility, an even more possible concentration of voltage.
Getting hit by one billion volts is destruction, regardless of what vehicle one is sitting in!
A sad event, but nothing conspiratorial should be made of it.
On the other hand, the last verifiable signal trace of Flight MH-370 was inbound to Diego Garcia, and I am inclined to the latest probable theory that it was hacked inflight, and turned into a guided missile inbound to the radar station there, and therefore shot out of the sky.
Since their entertainment system is accessible by satellite, and it is in circuit with their avionics systems, this is a distinct possibility.
The question remains, of course, as to who did the hacking? But any state sanctioned hacking might be a test to use a nation's commercial airliners against it one day, and the nation most vulnerable to such a thing?
America, of course.
Curious why pilot didn't request vectors around the thunderstorm. Also would be curious to learn what "maintenance" performed a month ago and the track record of the maintenance facility. There are numerous stories of plane malfunctioning after coming out of maintenance due to A&P mechanic oversights or errors. As for me don't think i'll fly Malaysia Air, Air Asia or Korean airlines thank you.
you are ruining the ZEROhedge conspiracy narrative with your facts
Ah yes, see my post here
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-29/disappeared-airasia-plane-likel...
No amount of flying experience can necessarily condition someone to not freak out when faced with imminent death.
True dat. A few years ago a stunt pilot crashed straight into the ground at our local air show. Some muppet on the radio news report mouthed the typically trite cliche: “Well, at least he died doing what he loved.”
I recall thinking: “What? ... he loved screaming in terror?”
If somebody wanted to whack the guy, there are much easier ways to do so.
Get real.
Sometimes, when you need to keep knocking Malaysian airliners out of the sky until the Malaysians will fucking get in line already, you wait for the one with the guy on it you wanted dead anyways.
It's just common sense.
Misplaced.
my best friend's half-sister makes $77 every hour on the computer . She has been laid off for 5 months but last month her pay check was $14292 just working on the computer for a few hours. read... www.works3.com
And it isn't safe to assume that the steward/stewardess showing how to wear the life-jacket is the very person found?
I have never seen this demonstration take place half-way through a flight.
I've got almost 100,000 miles flying in A320s and have never seen that, either. But it wouldn't surprise me if the body belongs to a flight attendant. They have instant access to life jackets and are seated during turbulance most of the time.
she should have gave a demonstration from the fight club tutorial. calm as hindu cows
Having flown in a plane during a severe storm ( we were the last to be allowed to leave and I wished they held us back) there would be no way to have put on a life vest. The buffeting was so severe for over an hour, I was brused on the side of my head being slammed so many times against the side of the plane. The man next to me recited the rosary the whole time. I had never been so frightened all my life and experienced flyers told me later this was the worst they had ever experienced.
This was a much smaller plane than an airbus so I'm not sure if those poor people experienced the same. I can say though at some point the fear is so overwhelming you just go numb and accept death. At least that was my experience.
Miffed
holy shit what was the flight path?
Ukraine Air
nah its kinda normal in the region and for the season... whatever size plane I seem to fly we cop a headache now and then ...granted its not the biggest planes but some larger than fokkers, I've had fun in a range of sizes, even lost a door low level flying in a 6 seater something...glad we were very close to the ground because there was jack shit around us if it went bad - deep bush/outback.
Anyhow used to storms in Asia in every sized of short-long haul plane.
put this in perspective. we were flying a puddle jumper carrying about 25 passengers that hit severe fair weather turbulence that apparently caught the pilots by surprise because the stewardess was serving refreshments at the time. it was easily the most terrifying 10 minutes ever experienced by everyone on a flight. the passengers were silent and visibly white knuckling the armrests. that is, all the passengers except my kids who were having the time of their lives squealing in excited delight every time the plane bounced violently and dropped or rose 100s of feet at a time.
afterwards, several passengers remarked that the kids' fun prevented them from becoming hysterical as they had never been more fearful in their life. one woman literally kissed the ground when we disembarked.
my worst/best flight... puddle jumper and seats facing each other... hit a storm and my legs went flying into my bosses bosses face...oopps, we were friends after that... look basically shitty flights in the wet season are NORMAL local pilots are used to them ... so no mayday?? just silence? no signal from the plane? bush flights seem more able.
Nah, He was just another PM guy washing up after yet another unfortunate boating accident
Yeah, if I were in the mother of all turbulence in a thunderstorm, I guess I would be reaching under the seat and putting on a life jacket so that they could find my body floating on the surface after the wreck. Kind of a sinking vessel analogy but sped up. Nothing new here. Move along---except for those passengers and their families.
muslim co-pilot stabbed pilot in cockpit, then crashed the plane as tribute to allah?
Tribute is no good if you can't get the message off that it is indeed a tribute to Allah.
no one ever claimed these guys were rational
VegasDave, you always do a nice job of flushing out the muslim-loving downvoters.
The "Joos bad therefore Muslims good!" logic occasionally on display here always puzzles me.
Go ahead, hate the jews for all I care, but at least the jews have made some positive contributions to western civilization. The muslims have been worthless for 1400 years-- that's a documented fact.
I guess you don't know what "fact" means.
And you probably got a shitty grade in algebra as well as history, eh?
Jews are in my view a uniquely gifted and taelnted people. Unfortunately too often their talents are devoted to f*cking us goyim over.
But yes, they are light years ahead of the Muslims.
5,000 years, anyway.
The Egyptians and Chinese go back 5,000 years, with ample proof. The Jews - not so much. And monotheism - less than half that.
No New Year's Celebrations In Indonesian City
Religious minorities “will have to show respect" to the Muslim majority http://tinyurl.com/ot3w2ko
Buckaroo, you are not very well educated. Let me help you out a little bit. Al Gebra - ever heard of that?
Zero, like the zero in ZeroHedge, where did that come from?
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, etc. the numeric symbols we use all over the world? Came from were?
Yeah, arabic numerals and algebra. Hoo boy, two fucking things in 1400 years.
Honestly, get your head out of your ass.
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Fuck the ADL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI6tBwVjyOY
Aviation 101: Aviate, navigate and then lastly communicate.
Too bad for advertisers. This story is no malasian airlines story. What about this story ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI6tBwVjyOY
In a way, WE are all on Malaysian airlines.
And the Zio Banksters have overridden the controls.
Fasten your seat belts, don your prepper life vest, it's gonna be a bumpy ride
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/12/busted-airasia-ceo-tony-fer...
Muzzy pilot who flew F5's in East Timor massacre...interesting.
Control of the plane may have been taken remotely (away from pilots) using technology that has been available for at least 10 years though not necessarily implemented.
Wackoism.
True, but he's a right ripe one. Give him some credit for that.
Probably got an MA in Moonbatology from the David Icke Correspondance School.
Google "Boeing Honeywell Uninteruptable Autopilot" and tell us it's another conspiracy theory! FFS! What person would you consider more level headed and sane? The one that uses critical thought and believes that there is a percentage of conspiracy theories that could well be valid, or the moron that believes 100% of them are bullshit.... unless of course they are the conspiracy theories handed down by what governments tell you is so?!!
PhilofOz, these two are immune to reason. They are ideologues, spamming for their cause. The don't do critical thinking.
This guy might be able to help you here. http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2014/07/the-talented-mister-zakheim.html
Dov Zakheim, mister fly-by-wire and dual citizen to boot. But Chindit and Haywudjublowme up thread will tell you he doesn't exist.
The Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot is a set of sub-routines in post-1995 Boeing aircraft (termed the Unauthorized Flight Detector), aimed at defeating attempts at aircraft hijacking by removing electrical power from the flight deck, and irrevocably passing pilot authority to the autopilot and navigational computer for an automated landing at a safe airfield that can deal effectively with the incident.
LOL The whole shitshow was another botched CIA/Mossad fuckup murder festival. My friends, the mysterious murders and fake news stories will continue until we finally END THE FED.
Does the term "sub-moron" ring a bell?
I prefer "conspiracy nutbar".
Yeah, all these conspiracy theorists are crazy. After all, the Government and the 'independent' MSM always tell us the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth.
He's a particularly rancid one. Fortunately, I understand the attendants keep matches and sharp objects far from him.
That's all you have? The standard hebrew-hasbra ad hominem?? What a waste of time and space. I'm sure you are pleased with yourself.
chindit13
Wait, I'm a "particularly rancid one?" Seriously? Can you please point out how you arrived at that conclusion? Seriously, I'm curious.
It's far easier to believe every conspiracy theory your government tells you is so, ain't it?
He will think you are talking about a new submarine which brought down the AirAsia
Absoluetly
Speaking of MH-17...where is the copy of the cockpit ongoings from the black box that was recovered? You know...the same ones we usually hear within 1-2 month of every other plane crash once they are recovered?
Why still only a transcript?
Same place as the thermite from the Twin Towers.
The MH-17 black boxes were shipped to Farnborough, UK for analysis. Nothing heard since.
If it is similiar to last operation mh317/370, the cadavers for airasia came from those previous operations. I would think the body of this airasia plane will never be found. It feels to me like The Blackhand is firmly in charge now.
Like Freud once said, sometimes a plane crash is just a plane crash, or something like that.
Ex-military pilots trend to be hot shot machos with a limited capability to work in a team. Especially in SE Asia, these ex-military pilots do not have a stellar safety record, just look at Korean Air which is crowded with retired South Korean Air Force pilots and has suffered many crashes. Things were so bad that the insurance companies forced them to hire foreign non-military pilots who are far less prone to keep quiet despite an imminent crash, just in order to save the captains face.
For as far as sending out a distress signal is concerned, the following is standard practice in aviation: AVIATE (fly the airplane, do emergency drills etc), NAVIGATE (make sure you don't fly into anything like mountains), COMMUNICATE (relay intentions to ATC). Communication has the LAST priority for most pilots. Flying, or trying to fly, an airplane which is in an uncontrolled dive towards Mother Earth and NOT communication this to ATC (Air Traffic Control) makes perfect sense, but unfortunately does not give any ammunition for more conspiracy theories from arm chair 'experts.'
Please stick to the economy and gold...