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Oliver Stone's New Movie: "Ukraine: The CIA Coup" Coming To A Theater Near You
US filmmaker Oliver Stone is currently engaged in production of a documentary about Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who fled the country following the February coup last year. As Sputnik reports, Stone's Facebook page notes, "[I] Interviewed Viktor Yanukovych 4 hours in Moscow for new English language documentary produced by Ukrainians. He [Yanukovych] was the legitimate President of Ukraine until he suddenly wasn't on February 22 of this year." The outspoken director then added, "the truth is not being aired in the West... many believe foreign elements were introduced by pro-Western factions with CIA fingerprints on it."
From Oliver Stone's Facebook page,
Excuse my absence these past weeks. A combination of overwork, prepping the Snowden movie in Germany & England, a side trip to Moscow, and a devastating head cold have laid me low. Recovering over Christmas in California; winter sun helps.
Interviewed Viktor Yanukovych 4 hours in Moscow for new English language documentary produced by Ukrainians. He was the legitimate President of Ukraine until he suddenly wasn’t on February 22 of this year. Details to follow in the documentary, but it seems clear that the so-called ‘shooters’ who killed 14 police men, wounded some 85, and killed 45 protesting civilians, were outside third party agitators. Many witnesses, including Yanukovych and police officials, believe these foreign elements were introduced by pro-Western factions-- with CIA fingerprints on it.
Remember the Chavez ‘regime change’/coup of 2002 when he was temporarily ousted after pro and anti-Chavez demonstrators were fired upon by mysterious shooters in office buildings. Also resembles similar technique early this year in Venezuela when Maduro’s legally elected Government was almost toppled by violence aimed at anti-Maduro protestors. Create enough chaos, as the CIA did in Iran ‘53, Chile ‘73, and countless other coups, and the legitimate Government can be toppled. It’s America’s soft power technique called ‘Regime Change 101.’
In this case the “Maidan Massacre” was featured in Western media as the result of an unstable, brutal pro-Russian Yanukovych Government. You may recall Yanukovych went along with the February 21 deal with opposition parties and 3 EU foreign minsters to get rid of him by calling for early elections. The next day that deal was meaningless when well-armed, neo-Nazi radicals forced Yanukovych to flee the country with repeated assassination attempts. By the next day, a new pro-Western government was established and immediately recognized by the US (as in the Chavez 2002 coup).
A dirty story through and through, but in the tragic aftermath of this coup, the West has maintained the dominant narrative of “Russia in Crimea” whereas the true narrative is “USA in Ukraine.” The truth is not being aired in the West. It’s a surreal perversion of history that’s going on once again, as in Bush pre-Iraq ‘WMD’ campaign. But I believe the truth will finally come out in the West, I hope, in time to stop further insanity.
For a broader understanding, see Pepe Escobar’s analysis “The new European ‘arc of instability,’” which indicates growing turbulence in 2015, as the US cannot tolerate the idea of any rival economic entity. You might also see “Untold History” Chapter 10 where we discuss the dangers of past Empires which did not allow for the emergence of competing economic countries.
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The lovely Asst Sec of State F.U. Victoria Jane (nee: Nudelman) Nuland - Kagan would be absolutely appalled!
the propaganda wars are so much fun
http://www.philiacband.com/propaganda.html
Oh that movie is gonna get hacked like the interview did, this time by Israel, but Obama will probably sanction Iran for the source of the hack and this movie will NEVER be shown in the theatres.
I sure wouldn't want to be Oliver Stone's automobile insurer...
no worries........
It's Bush's fault.
--- O Stone
I hope Oliver doesn't drive a Mercedes.
Just sayin'...
http://www.inquisitr.com/809528/dramatic-michael-hastings-car-crash-video-released/
Yeh sure. Whenever I want unbiased information I always go first to the documentaries of Oliver Stoned and Michael Moore.
Make it a spoof, then it will sell
Gotta check out "Citizenfour" about Snowden; Sounds like Stone is also involved in getting it shown "prepping the Snowden movie in Germany & England"
https://citizenfourfilm.com/
Nuland ~ Damn good thing she isn't a jew OH WAIT!!!
Nuland is the daughter of Yale bioethics and medicine professor Sherwin B. Nuland, whose original surname was Nudelman. Victoria’s paternal grandfather was Meyer Nudelman from a family of Jewish immigrants who came to New York City from the Russian Empire.[2]
Just another daughter of Tevye the Dairyman. [poor unfortunate souls have the deck SOOOOO stacked against them].
Yadda dadda dadda dum
The summary of events in Ukraine since September 2013
The US says there are no Nazis in Kiev, the Azov Batallion Strongly Disagrees http://ian56.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-us-says-there-are-no-nazis-in-kiev...
Azov isn't actually in Kiev so techinically....
Technically at least one of them is
The Deputy Commander of the Neo Nazi Azov Brigade and self confessed Fascist was recently appointed Chief of Police in Kiev
https://ukraineantifascistsolidarity.wordpress.com/2014/11/03/patriot-of-ukraine-neo-nazi-militant-appointed-as-kiev-head-of-police/
Our socialists against their marxists.
This is going to be close....place your bets.
Ukraine is in a very interesting postion today, militarily speaking. The government does not represent Ukraine or the average Ukrainian, so the average Ukrainian has no desire to fight for them OR kill any other Ukrainians FOR their supposed government. Ukraine mass-media blew the whole flag-waving promotion thing because Ukrainians don't equate their flag or nation with the CIA-plants, NATO stooges, Jewish-Ukrainian oligarchs, neo-Nazis, Rothschild bankers and assorted foreigners that currently make up their government.
And you're not going to get a lot of ethnic-Russian or Russian-speaking soldiers to go out and kill other Ukrainians simply BECAUSE they're ethnic-Russians or Russian-speaking and/or don't like Kiev. That's like 2/3rds of the country. The Ukrainian Army would have turned on their government by now if the interior ministry thugs weren't better armed than them.
That's why the current CIA stooges running Ukraine are relying on
The separatists are not in much better shape - they're increasingly fighting for destroyed urban areas that nobody is ever planning on returning to. There is no infrastructure, no jobs, no pensions, no schools, no nothing. There's no reason to rebuild. The cities that are still standing are taken over by assorted criminal gangs, thugs and crazy mercs, plus the occasional aid shipment from Russia. The separatists may have won against Kiev, but their 'prize' is basically the Ukrainian version of modern-day Detroit. Anyone who did care about the place left a long time ago and is never coming back.
ZATO is insanely pissed. How can they start WWIII against Russia in Ukraine when neither Ukrainian side really exists and Putin isn't taking the bait? Everyone is on to the whole false-flag thing - that's not going to work anymore. This is bad for me, personally, because it means ZATO will have to rely on the worst possible option: move a bunch of missles close enough to Russia to force Putin to act. Once again, I have to rely on Putin to out-maneuver ZATO without resorting to Topol-Ms. One of these times, I won't be so lucky.
How else do you think they were going to frack the Donbass?
Shell even (supposedly) gave up on that for now - its not worth it. Shell has a secret fifty-year exploration and production license, so they'll just sit back and wait until the ethnic cleansing is complete and oil prices recover. I'm guessing by spring or summer of 2015 per suggestions that they could only hold oil prices down until around then.
Turning the Dnieper-Donbass basin into a depopulated, bombed-out hell-hole will make it all the easier when Shell and does go back (and they will). They need to dig up a lot of farms and throw the people out of a lot of little villiages otherwise. Dead or permanently fleeing citizens save them the trouble. Hell, even Poland is offering to 'take back' ethnic Poles living in the Donbass. If it looks like the Ukraine war is a stalemate, that's because it IS - on purpose. The residents need to be driven out like rats before the fracking can start.
http://m.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/07/06/donbass-russians-subject-...
Israel, of course, always has their American tax-dollar funded import-a-jew program going full steam. Kind of makes sense why Israel is so quiet about Nazis running around Kiev - if the war results in new Jewish settlers to drive out Palistinians, then what's a few dead goy?
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Jewish-leader-compares-eastern-Ukraine-to-...
Odd because there's just not that much cheap, recoverable gas in the Dnieper-Donbass basin. There's plenty of expensive, recoverable gas - that's about it.
"ZATO is insanely pissed. How can they start WWIII against Russia in Ukraine when neither Ukrainian side really exists and Putin isn't taking the bait? Everyone is on to the whole false-flag thing - that's not going to work anymore."
Please to be corrected Good Heart; anymoar.
You wanna know what makes one really mad?
The brotherhood has been hijacked by evil weed planters. (not that Kind)
WAKE UP!!!...Men and Women of the World Kingdom.
There is only One.
One World.
One People.
One Love.
One Brotherhood of Man.
One Way.
The rites of man?
Or, the Rites of God?
Choose well, for each travels with a load of baggage for your final soaring to kindred spirits.
A bag of golden rocks, or a bag of feathers. Scales! MA AT!!(loudly yelled)
Times are'a changin.
So are the winds.
No one escapes the great calculators of all things on every level of existence.
All is known, and seen.
Fools breed ignorance...and greater fools propagate it to profit from.
Only God, makes Kings!
http://216.240.133.177/archives32/Tuskin/2015/01/Tuskin_1_010215_180000.mp3
http://republicbroadcasting.org/archives/index.php?cmd=archives.month&Pr...
Very end of show:
AJ: So, the right thing to do is let stuff go down?
PS: Yep, letting the free market work.
http://cdn1.gcnlive.com/cache/gcn_archives/TheAlexJonesShow/TheAlexJonesShowJan022015Hour3.mp3
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Extra credit ponderment:
There are two worlds. One is illusion/Maya, the other real/Spirit. What most souls wonder, is there another side of life? Answer, yes, and looking from the other side, they wonder the same.
Please drop the illusions and delusions as the rampage of such unreality/news media has historically gone down. Stop the lies, deceptions, and false prophiteers from spewing propaganda that is so ludicrous, is stagers the rational thinker. The mass-mind is awakening and realizing we are all one, and ONLY by acting as the one we all are, the One will survive. What effects One, affects ALL. vis~vis.
It is time to stop real world woars and this ship of fools can do it (self description). It was said, lay up your treasures in heaven. True that, and it is best to prepare for what awaits on the other side after we finish using this bag of water, minerals, and elements of this world.
Forecast? Invest?? Prepare??? Yes, indeed. Prepare for what many have already Seen and Know is on the other side. Initiations? Many know that is real there, that spiritual Kingdom. They Know, not believe. The babylonians also Know the Truth and must now be defrocked, and dethroned. Disbanded, and disowned NOW! Yes, prepare for the end of the empire of chaotic insanity turned to dust in the not too distant future(Atlantis), and birth of something different. As most will wonder, is God real? An easy slight smile says, yes dear, Love is real and awaits you on the other side.
SEE YOU, and raise you moar Love and Light!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWGjoqFkLPk
+ 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1j6f-fmx8o
janus
There are "Nazis" in Ukraine just like there are Nazi's here (see Nazi party USA website) in the USA and in Russia.
For example... among the Ukrainian separatist side there examples like Alexei Milchachov from St. Petersburg:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=991_1404305663&comments=1
in Battalion Azov on the Ukrainian side...
http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/11/nazis-in-azov-battalion.html
of course one of the separatist leaders Pavel Gubarev... is also ultra nationalist... perhaps you could call him a "nazi".
To call the entire people of Ukraine Nazi's like the propaganda being broadcast on Russian TV... is illogical. My Ukrainian friends are no more Nazi than my Crimean friends are.
Your nazi friends in Kiev are IN POWER. Your American, Russian, or Crimean ones ARE NOT ! Big difference...
Again ....I keep hearing of NAZIs running the show in Ukraine but those I see who are calling the shots are all Jews?!?! What's wrong with this picture?
here's what is wrong
The use of propoganda is meant to bring a complex issue to light via simpler means not through lies or deception but through images and language the "common" man might understand. To "propogandize" a lie is to simplify that lie in the same fashion and therefore becomes the ultimate poison, the ultimate lie.
The use of the word has become poisoned by the great liars, as with virtually all modern propoganda for the jews are masters of the art of "spin doctoring".
nothing wrong with this picture. understand that the prime movers of marxism have always been jooz, or more accurately, ashkanazi/khazars. fascism is a variant of marxism. and money making and the quest for power transcends religion, race, and nationality.
"...Your nazi friends in Kiev are IN POWER..."
I disagree completely, angel_of_joy.
The nationalist parties in Kiev have almost no power and have never done well politically. They do pretty much run state security out of the interior ministry and make up much of the Kiev city police, but in both cases that's by design of the current criminal oligarchs to protect their own power and loot in Kiev. Pravy Sector and Svaboda are never going to win any elections, so they settled (for now) with running what is effectively the Ukrainian Stazi. They see this as a gateway to further their power and influence in Ukraine - they're not doing it out of any love or admiration for the current disposable Ukraine government. Likewise, the current Ukrainian leaders protected by the new state police ultimately see their Stazi as disposable. Useful bodyguards and muscle for now, but kept on a very short leash and ultimately liquidated when they're no longer of use to TPTB. You know that's not going to end well - it never does.
rvborgh makes a good point about the existence of separatist ultra-nationalists. They're harder to identify as 'Nazi' because they're aligned with Russian interests, but they are psychopathic ultra-nationalists all the same. A lot of the original separatist fighters have deserted directly because of the presence and influence of these ultra-nationalists on 'their' side.
It's one thing to defend your home, farm or village from Kiev's troops. It's another thing entirely to carry on what amounts to a gang war of attrition between Ukrainian state thugs and separatist ultra-nationalist thugs for no discernible benefit beyond 'owning' a depopulated and ethnically-cleansed Ukrainian Detroit. Putin is right to support ethnic Russians in the Donbass the best he can while distancing himself from the current pro-Russian separatists and their questionable motives. He would rather let the ultra-nationalists (pro-Russian or not) be Ukraine's problem, not his.
There is a benefit for Putin... from what i understand a lot of the separatist fighters... are not Donbass locals (remember Strelkov complaining that the locals were not volunteering to fight?)... but Russian volunteers with a smaller trail of Chechens, Dagestanis, and elsewhere. Some facing unemployment in Russia's nether regions come and fight for money (after training in Rostov region), others fight for ideological reasons. The common thread is that these are lawless types that would be and are willing to take up arms against authority (whether this would be Kiev, or anyone else). i really do not see Putin wanting these types in Russia. So Donbass has the benefit of providing them with a sandbox against Kiev's force, where they can go play, and hopefully die.
Honestly, i do not see Putin annexing Donbass. Its just a lever.
It keeps Kiev's attention away from Crimea. i know Putin talks about caring about the Russians on the Peninsula, but really i think the only thing he cares about is keeping Sevastopol and its naval facilities. Everything else in Crimea will absolutely be secondary to that.
At any rate... i could be wrong... this is just my perhaps cynical view of what is going on there... with additional input from folks i know there.
i really do not think Putin cares much about people... unless they are somehow useful to him in keeping him in power. Everything is secondary to that. If nationalistic fervor is useful then it will be used to that end by him.
rvborgh
I believe you are mistaken.
Neither the Russian government nor Russian "TV" claim the "entire people of Ukraine" are NAZIs.
However, the NAZIs who run the Kiev government and their media
have been claiming every ethnic "Russian" Ukrainian is a "muscovite colorado"
deserving elimination.
There are extreme nationalist types in Ukraine. Just like there are extreme nationalists in Russia. They are not the majority. The fact is that Svoboda and Right Sektor barely won anything during the recent elections in Ukraine. You want the government to serve as a moderating force for these types of people... so you can direct their energies in a productive way... because most people are not so extreme. That is what has been happening and its a good thing. yet the government there is still labeled a Fascist Junta. It is very strange to me.
I do not think it is right to use the Fascist, or Nazi labels... unless you are just trying to stir up weak minded and ill informed people. These people are not doing the same things as Nazi and Fascists of second world war are doing.
As far as what is said... nationalist people (on both sides) say all kinds of crazy things when they are inflamed with nationalistic passion. Listen to Zhironovsky or Dugin... who call for much the same thing as you stated...
by the way... here is an example of Russian nationalism... not much different from Ukrainian nationalism that is being decried by lots of Russians.
That kind of looks like a modified swastika to me, but i could be seeing things.
http://rusnation.org/
you might check out some of those Crimea flag waving photos as well on Barkashovs VK site:
https://vk.com/ap_barkashov
When will those little cowards in Azov going to to to the front to fight with Givi, Motorola and Mozgovi? Are they afraid of getting their asses kicked? They are pretty tough terrorizing innocent and unarmed people in the Ukraine.
Azov ae f***ing cowards.
She is a traitor, and a liar, and a criminal; that's enough for me to know; I don't care which group of traitorous criminals she comes from. Hilary Clinton is a traitor and criminal from some other group; both co-opted by "the Oligarchy"; IMHO.
Hillary made sure her daughter joined the religon Ms. Clinton admires. Ms. Clinto is a Christian Zionist, one of millions of such in America. To be Jewish does make one Zionist, in fact, Christians often are the most rabid off all Zionists.
The Clinton bitch will take America to war, all in order to place Israel as a ruler of a new empire in the Middle East.
And converts are the biggest zealots.
“many believe foreign elements were introduced by pro-Western factions”
..only the people who have any curiosity and intelligence at all and who do not sheepishly believe every bit of BS pap that passes for western State and State-manipulated “news”.
http://y2u.be/VI6tBwVjyOY
Faction One of Covert Op coerces. Faction Two exposes...
OliStone in the middle got used (and made lots of dols) and
sheepishly creates fear among the u-know-who.
“many believe foreign elements were introduced by pro-Western factions”
..only the people who have any curiosity and intelligence at all and who do not sheepishly believe every bit of BS pap that passes for western State and State-manipulated “news”.
http://y2u.be/VI6tBwVjyOY
"The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer--circa 1952. Great read! Milestones
I have this theory, but, that I CAN NOT prove, Christian Zionists are even more dangerous.
So, pick (vote) your poison:
Hillary Rodham Clinton: United Methodist
John Sidney McCain: Baptists
John Ellis “Jeb” Bush: Catholic
Willard Mitt Romney: Mormon
Joe Biden says he is a "Zionist"
and that one doesn't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=i+am+zionist+biden&ei=UTF-8&fr=chrf-yff21
Catholics are not "Zionists" and Jeb ain't Catholic.
Christians are Zionists?
What?
what kind of crap are you reading?
Hillary is no Christian
Really?
Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christians that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy.
The term Christian Zionism began to be used in the mid-20th century, superseding Christian Restorationism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism
And what is wrong with Jews returning to their homeland?
unless of coarse you are a muslim
Their, (the Ashkenazi "Jews"), homeland is southeast Ukraine.
ok, ashkenazi's can go to ukraine, if they want, as long as KGB approves
Israel is the little place that all Jews may have to go back to wether they like it or not
The disinformation shared here will help that along
One of the worlds leading geneticists, Dr. Eran Elhaik of Johns Hopkins University [himself of European Jewish ancestry], published a study in 2013 which conclusively determined that European Jews have exactly zero Semitic DNA [they are not Semites], and are in fact Khazar’s [origin modern day Georgia/Ukraine], who converted to Judaism around 800 AD.
Anyone can become a Jew, you just convert. It is not a specific race. The very first Jew was Abraham and he was from Ur of the Chaldeans. Abraham was a Chaldean, oh gasp, say it aint so, I thought he was a Jew......
Aurgument Fail....
Next.....
BTW, Palestine which I prefer to call the Land of Caanan should be given back to the Caananites not the Palestinians. The Caananites are getting ripped off, no press what so ever....
Erudite,
You are incorrect on the etymology of "jew." It was not until Jacob (Abraham's Grandson) was renamed "Israel" by YHWH that anyone became known as an "Israelite." It was not until the Southern Two Tribe Kingdom of Judah was captured by Babylon that anyone became known as what would be roughly translated as "judahite." It then took many more hundreds of years before the word commonly translated as "jew" came into any usage, among the Roman populace.
-Seek_Truth
Yet more amusingly, the Hebrews were sons of Shem, as are for instance Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Don't you love a family get together?
The Palestinians are the most direct descendents of the Canaanites - what on earth are you talking about>
im a jew
im not religous at all...but jews are a race, trust me
conclusive may be a little strong for a study of limited resources. BUT considering that the findings release was met with absolute SILENCE from the usual sources was deafening, or that the dear Dr was not immediately driven out of science, or suddenly found with child porn on his laptop is probably its greatest endorsements.
mysteriously, I haven't heard of any benefactors lining up to fund a follow on study.<sarc>
dsty
returning to their homeland?
Says who?..... Let me guess.......
Because of the writings of an imaginative friend on the sky.
Or because of the noble (virtuous) individual, which Hitler brought to race and a nation.
1. Those writings are not imaginary and neither are the recognized human authors. Your blind lack of faith is a sort of faith in itself.
2. Others kept records too. Romans for example. Are you calling the Romans imaginary and if not, why not?
Even if you don't beleive in God you can't deny archaelogical finds that support everything in the Bible.
In-Depth Exploration of The City of David in Jerusalemproove me bible written 2000 years ago.... until then, stfu.
it like a roman writen yesterday. biggest scam ever.
The Bible, as we have it today, has been written, re-written, translated and ediited by many hands over millenia, down to modern times. For the heaviest redaction I direct you to the Council of Nicaea which deleted entire books from the "approved" content. Add to that the effect of the arguments that raged over the meanings of even single words (let alone the identities and status of key persons such as Mary Magdalene), often between the Church of Alexandria and that of Constantinople (in the early centuries after the fall of the West Rome was a provincial bit-player), with wars waged (or alliances made and broken) because of the semantics and theologians executed as heretics by the winners, and what you have are texts that require a lifetimes study to get close to the original content. TYhere do exist some small parts of the source material, and references in other material e.g. Koran, Kabbalah,butto take what we call the Bibkle at face value is dangerous. Unless of course you view the changes as refinements directed by God. I make no comment on what is right or wrong.
No - very little supports what the Bible says - no evidence of a temple of solomon, no evidence of a major kingdom led by a david, no evidence of an exodus, and little suggesting the Egyptians even heard of Israelites apart from an encryptian regarding what may be 'Israel' being crushed in Canaan - which Egypt ruled for centuries.
However, people like you, so drunk on religion and bibliomancy and Chosen People Worship - you forget the lack of evidence and seize on the few items which may suggest that there is at least *some* truth to all the myth.
But some of the most enduring ideas of all are myths.
http://askelm.com/temple/t000701.htm
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/chosen-people.html
I put my trust.
2 I trust in you;
do not let me be put to shame,
nor let my enemies triumph over me.
3 No one who hopes in you
will ever be put to shame,
but shame will come on those
who are treacherous without cause.
4 Show me your ways, Lord,
teach me your paths.
5 Guide me in your truth and teach me,
for you are God my Savior,
and my hope is in you all day long.
........
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+25
Ken O'Keefe a marine not shy!!!muhahahahah he's the guy with the teardrop tatoo....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9RXonzoJPg
Hillary Rodham Clinton’s religion:
Clinton's faith is grounded in the Methodist beliefs she grew up with in Park Ridge, Illinois, a conservative Chicago suburb where she was active in her church's altar guild, Sunday school, and youth group.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics
yes a Methodist, liberal methodist
pretty much liberals have abandoned their faith
no longer believing the sexual morality that the bible teaches
so, a christian in the eyes of a liberal only
"Conservative Chicago suburb" and "Methodist" are not one and the same, as you imply.
Methodists are part of the liberal church, which espouse, condones and celebrates many of the things the Bible comdemns. Clinton and her fellow liberal church followers don't have true "faith." It's all just a ruse. Otherwise they wouldn't think and do most of what they do.
You can call her a chocolate brownie but that doesn't make her a chocolate brownie. She is no christian.
Non believers really don't or can't understand that just because someone calls themself a Christian does not really make them a true Christian. Unfortunately they view all Christians the same.
As a further lesson heres an explanation of propoganda:
The use of propoganda is meant to bring a complex issue to light via simpler means not through lies or deception but through images and language the "common" man might understand. To "propogandize" a lie is to simplify that lie in the same fashion and therefore becomes the ultimate poison, the ultimate lie.
The use of the word has become poisoned by the great liars, as with virtually all modern propoganda for the jews are masters of the art of "spin doctoring".
here's a post I ran across:
Rapture Ready: The Unauthorized Christians United for Israel Tour
"On July 16, I attended Christians United for Israel's annual Washington-Israel Summit. Founded by San Antonio-based megachurch pastor John Hagee, CUFI has added the grassroots muscle of the Christian right to the already potent Israel lobby. Hagee and his minions have forged close ties with the Bush White House and members of Congress from Sen. Joseph Lieberman to Sen. John McCain. In its call for a unilateral military attack on Iran and the expansion of Israeli territory, CUFI has found unwavering encouragement from traditional pro-Israel groups like AIPAC and elements of the Israeli government.
But CUFI has an ulterior agenda: its support for Israel derives from the belief of Hagee and his flock that Jesus will return to Jerusalem after the battle of Armageddon and cleanse the earth of evil. In the end, all the non-believers - Jews, Muslims, Hindus, mainline Christians, etc. - must convert or suffer the torture of eternal damnation. Over a dozen CUFI members eagerly revealed to me their excitement at the prospect of Armageddon occurring tomorrow"
posted July 26, 2007 by
---Max Blumenthal
"Christians are Zionists?
What?"
There are plenty of Zionist Christians in AIPAC.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/02/27/strong-support-for-israe...
Here is a good link that all Christian Zionists should read. It has a timeline, and explains the details of why Christian Zionists are in disobedience, and at a minimum are dupes.
http://www.eaec.org/newsletters/2008/vol_8/showdown-in-jerusalem-digest.htm
The famed vision of the Valley of the Dry Bones, in Chapters 36 and 37, is unquestionably the monumental Biblical fulfillment of the 20th century. The bones (Israel) come together and come back to life, at first as flesh without the spirit. Later, breath is breathed into them. But notice it’s two steps: flesh first, spirit later.
Isaiah, incidentally, makes an interesting remark, speaking of the same thing. He says, “The Lord shall set His hand again the second time to recover the remnant of His people” (Isaiah 11:11). When was the first time? After Babylon, when Cyrus gave the decree to build the Temple. Isaiah is saying that when God gathers them the second time, it will be the last time. From the 19th century on we have seen the move towards Zionism. On May 14, 1948, all the debates should have ended. Are these things literal? Is Israel going to be restored? Argue all you like until May 14, 1948. From that point on throw the old books out unless they agree with what Isaiah is saying, because Israel is there. They are in danger, but they are there.
They are being restored, but many people who study Ezekiel 37 fail to read Ezekiel 36: Why is Israel to be restored?
Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name’s sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land”
Ezekiel 36:22-24
God is restoring Israel because His name is on the document. He said He was, that’s why He’s going to do it. Not be-cause Israel deserves it or because of their foreign policy, but because He said He would.
http://www.khouse.org/articles/2009/829/
consider that you may have been deceived....
http://wecogitate.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/screenshot1.png?w=536&h=47...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSy6ENVAJlY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABDHPEU8SAc
http://askelm.com/temple/t000701.htm
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/chosen-people.html
https://archive.org/details/TheBeastsOfTheApocalypse1959
Then consider:
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/medical-workers-killed-...
That is some silly disinformation. Need to realize the word "jews" did not exist for a very long time. Of course egypt would not have the word jew in their historical evidence. The word did not exist.
Of course Jesus did not exist when looking for his name by philosophers. That was not his name either. Understand the bible can be tricky due to current sadistic satanic so called jews owning the publishing companies printing a bible for Christians.
Yeah it takes a little leg work to understand what is going on but when you do you become a different person who does understand that Most High and Christ do exist. Bash away
I realize I am not going to convince you nor are you going to convince me.
I would like to say just one thing. There is real power with God. I have seen it in my own life with answered prayer, healing and God given dreams showing me my future.
The real test is not to ever rely on others, but try to humble yourself and cry out to God and sincerely say "God if you are real, please reveal Yourself to me, do a miraculous work in my life."
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Peter Declares That Jesus Is the Messiah13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
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People of the world say Jesus, 1. did not exist 2. was a good moral man 3. was a Prophet etc, etc.....
But each of us must give an answer. The correct Answer is Jesus is part of the Trinity, the Son of God, Fully God and man. The perfect Lamb of God who died for our sins so that we may have eternal life.
why does everyone assume that being "chosen", or Israel being reborn are good things or blessings. I recall God wants some people to rebuild His temple again, so that the Antichrist can mislead the people into letting him desecrate the place, to be followed by true believers being told to run for the mountains so God can blow the whole place to pieces along with all with everyone he considers apostates.
Here is a much better link for "christian" zionists:
http://biblehub.com/niv/galatians/3.htm
The word of God proves them wrong.
Thereby religious orthodoxy seeks to eliminate any mysticism, and you may ask yourself why that might be (hint - follow the money). The early centuries of Christianity were bloodsoaked as a result, down easily as far as Bogomils and Cathars. You might say that what is being acted out by TPTB is a resumption or continuation of those policies, but with weapons that really really really shouldn't be in the hands of zealots. I can't help thinking that the Cathars were onto something, and/or that the whole religious edifice is a war-mongering power and money-grubbing ruse.
I will be quite happy up my valley in mid-Wales with my Zil, fresh water, land and guns, cometh the day.
I hate this site now. Echo Chamber. Oliver Stone made "The World Trade Center" ... "W." .. enough said. Give me a break!!!
Fair enough, but comment on the content? The actions of those in power are looking a bit unhinged, including, for instance, Obama's litany of restrictive Executive Orders, ias identified by other commentators on ZH.
I didnt see Stone's WTC movie, but did he call out the security services and the government et al for setting the whole thing up and wiring the buildings with explosives and thermite? Otherwise its not true and not even worth seeing. Call a fkn spade a spade....bigcomic=dupe.
If the Creator isn't 'racist', then the jews of the bible must be the favorites of God becase of what they believe. They may have historically banded together with a seat of goverment in a place called Israel, but if that word is important, it can only be because of what it represents in terms of belief, not blood or geography.
One cold argue that Orthodox jews are a modern holdover of traditional Judaism, but how can they also be the favored of God? They represent the BREAK with the continuity of God's stewardship of Mankind:
I made everything, if you obey me you will find happiness and plenty, if you persist in disobedience I'll be forced to visit in person and show you wonders, suffer alongside you, and be rejected by a fallen world, which can be renewed by belief in me.
Most Jews said, 'No, this is isanity. We were promised a saviour and we don't care for this weak pretender. We dismiss his miracles as dark magic. Next!'
Upon what logical foundation can those who explicitly rejected and continue to reject their savior be considered the chosen of God? Those who accepted him would be the chosen, the fulfillment of God's plan. To assume otherwise is to believe that God has a predisposition towards semitic blood - he will bend the arc of history to specifically benefit some of his loudest detractors - often at the expense of others. Others must sacrifice their labor and wealth to benefit this one group ahead of others, by God's command. This indicates that God's love is not universal - Jewish soul saving must be a higher focus.
Lots of logical inconsistency.
There is no inconsistency when you realize:
1-God (YHWH) made a conditional promise (based on faith) to Israel (Jacob's offspring).
2-Israel broke those condititions (lacked faith; broke the Mosaic Law) and were rejected by God.
3-The son of YHWH, Jesus, made a new covenant between God and man, wherein all (both "jew" and gentile) could come under the promise by means of faith in Him.
4-Modern day "israel" is a construct of Rothschild funded Zionism; modern day "judaism" is an abomination to God and is actually the Synagogue of Satan.
I had no idea. I guess I won the stupid prize, that time.
http://wecogitate.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/screenshot1.png?w=536&h=478
Hillary is a whacked-out War Freak---a tool of the Military Industrial Complex.
Oliver Stone is not Michael Moore; they are not a "corporation". You are not as clever as you think you are.
Good article by Moon of Alabama (good blog). It looks like the Nuland gang is losing control to the Bandera nazis. The situation is getting worse. The rats are starting to eat each other in the Western Ukraine.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/
I haven't been able to post on Moon of Alabama for several months. Has that happened to anyone else? Do they ban incoherent idiots for any reason (maybe I should just take the hint...).
Yer sure right about that.
When I want the real scoop I go to aol news.
Nah. Yahoo.
are you saying IT wasn't Bush's fault?
Are you saying it can't be Bush's AND Obama's AND Clinton's fault etc etc etc etc??
What the fuck is wrong with you?
funny how each new guy makes it worse
it's almost as if the problems and the corruption keep getting worse
and as if the words democrat and republican are just like two names for a disease
Someone is going to get a toaster thrown into their bathtub.
This movie is exactly what I've been wishing for. It would be the greatest delayed Christmas Present, possible. But, I suppose I better pray for Mr. Stone's continued good health. I hope one of his "head colds' doesn't take an unexplainable turn for the worst. What a brave man; a real American Patriot.
CIA will soon discover gigs of child porn on his hard drive. A dozen waitresses will come out with rape accusation. Medication abuse scandals will surface. Stone's grandmother will be found to be Stalin's sister and he himself will have a Nazi birth certificate.
... and if everything fails - a rogue snowplow will accidentally cross the landing strip, just as Stone's about to arrive for the movie premiere at Cannes.
Unless this is part of the 'plan'...
+100 For "Rogue Snowplows"
Drone cover is a bitch.
"We pre-sanctioned some folks."
"What's pre-sanctioned, you ask? That's a Preemptive Sanction, to act as a Deterrent and warning to others" -O
Gee, if only the US ceded all influence and let Russia and China run things. World would be such a better place. Dumbfcks.
“many believe foreign elements were introduced by pro-Western factions”
..only the people who have any curiosity and intelligence at all and who do not sheepishly believe every bit of BS pap that passes for western State and State-manipulated “news”.
Has Oliver Stone ever been awared the Medal of Freedom, like George Tenet?
Can we cut this out already? Spend the money and fix some roads and railroads.
Well, the Russians damned sure didn't start this civil war, JPMCITIBACBoEMSGSBoFBoJECB and others affiliated with the dirtbags like Buffett types did. What made it wasy was Saudi financing.
If you can easily decypher JPMCITIBACBoEMSGSBoFBoJECB congratulations for being part of the 1% that actually knows wtf is going on...
Thanks
The. Greatest PsyOp movie of the year
Parts of the cypher are missing you know.
BBHSBCRCBRBSCNBDB needs to be tagged for a closer to comprehensive understanding
Not easily, but it was worth doing the exercise.
he left out the leader, by covering it's owners. but the worst of the lot and the ones running the entire show are FED.
If in Russia right now has been declared an absolute democracy (about which so love to talk in the West), then 5 days later, the General Staff of the Army of NewoRussia would be situated in Kiev.
And all fascists, will hang on the trees. In Kiev, a lot of the Nazis, right now. But In Kiev there are also a lot of trees. I'm telling you that there it is democracy. Because this is the will of the people of Russia. Such decision require from Putin, 80% of the population of Russia, right now.
Aren't you lucky Putin isn't as big a moron as the Russian population.
Aren't you lucky that Obama isn't as big a moron as the American population?
No? You are not lucky because he is fucking you over?
Well ALL OF THE WORLD LEADERS are fucking psychopaths.
And if you place your faith into ANY PSYCHOPATH then you had best be ready for disappointment...if not Nuclear Annihilation.
Both of those assholes have their hands on the codes, pal. Remember that.
Care to play some Nuclear Football?
But Obama was very lucky with its population. Because the US population, each time to vote for each new idiot twice.
99% of those votes come from mind control TV. So chances are things wont get any better because of elections.
99% of those votes come from mind control TV. So chances are things wont get any better because of electrons.
'Has Oliver Stone ever been awared the Medal of Freedom, like George Tenet?'
Or a Nobel Peace Prize like Drone King Barry Hussein Soetoro O'Butthead?
Alfred Nobel must be rolling in his grave over that one. Worse than giving it to him in the first place (shameful) is that they've not yet taken
It back (unforgivable)
Oliver Stone walks the walk. He has a lot of guts.
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Like your trailer. No info?
Ori probably would too.
There's a handful of us in these parts.
https://soundcloud.com/humboldtlagoon/theme-from-taxi-driver
All ZH'ers need to watch this doc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrjuO5LLNEQ
This guy is awesome....made some great movies and was banned from Hollywood for his gun antics...Oliver Stone makes some weird comments in it. Basically Oliver states that Libertarians / Anachists are brain dead idiots that don't think, personally, I belive they think too much myself....sometimes I think it would be better to a super slave like most retards here in America
He doesn't really, although knowing Stone I'm sure his actual view on Libs/Anarchists is not far off. He has an agenda and an ideology like everyone, but as with anarchists his agenda includes highlighting the current broken system, of which he does a good job. I'm not saying you should watch msnbc, but surely you can take a lot from the Untold History series, without being converted to Stone's somewhat fanciful worldview involving benevolent governments caring for the people.
One can't be an effective proponent of X if they eschew Y & Z. I know I became a far better disadvocate of Keynesian economics after reading Michael Hudson, Steve Keen and a few others. Many grains of salt are necessary to become wholly informed.
See below and "the hardest part about making a movie is being honest." That includes about the movie.
Actors, actresses..."true to self" is the name of the game.
Roseanne Barr to play Nuland please!
Melissa McCArthy to play Psaki - she'd look great in the bananna outfit!
Gilbert Gottfried as Jen Psaki.
Barr is comparatively much too demure and feminine to be able to get into character and play Noodleman.
Jason Alexander in drag?
Serenity Now! Serenity Now!
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Perfect, as long as he plays Nuland the same way he played the voice of Duckman (foulmouthed, disagreeable, always muttering snide remarks under his breath).
McCarthy is comparatively much too good looking and withdrawn to be able to get into character and play Psaki.
Stone should be casting from this group..
Obama females
They all look much better than Moochelle.
None of 'em even the Klingon Murderous Warrior Queens making their War Faces don't look as pissed off angry as daMooch
Especially Mara (Susan Howard). Am I dating myself much?
Some "not brainwashed" Canadians already made this documentary "Welcome to Nulandistan" back in May 2014. So all Stone really needs to do is; improve the title, tighten the editing, provide better narration and production values, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu8KTiLsLJw
What he needs to do is make something solid that can't be shrugged off as a crazy conspiracy theory. If he can do that, he has a large viewership and might stand a chance.
I agree. Stone is controversial to the extent that he won't actually change anyone's mind.
The coup was not organized by the CIA. North Korea was behind it, supervised by the ex-Sony employee. Now stand up and say it to yourself 10 times in front of a mirror and you will become a believer.
The summary of events in Ukraine since September 2013
The US says there are no Nazis in Kiev, the Azov Batallion Strongly Disagrees http://ian56.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-us-says-there-are-no-nazis-in-kiev...
WORLDWIDE PROTEST DAY AGAINST DANGEROUS ECONOMIES. Spread the word
http://pneumatikeconomist.wordpress.com/2015/01/03/worldwide-protest-day...
Zero Hedge, where the Nazis feel safe.
He's probably a secret ZH member.
Howd ya like to star in my next movie McMolotov ??? I'm going to call it "How the West was lost" !!! Narrated by COGDIS and starring Reggie Brown, I'm sure I can find a role for you !!! Interested in playing Kissinger perhaps??? Plenty of roles to fill, Clintons , Bushes, etc ...
"He's probably a secret ZH member."
Aren't we all?
Not that ZH readers didn't already suspect this...
We coup d'etat-ed some folks
Mr. Stone should probably stay away from nail guns for a while...
And these, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_rifle
It wouldn't surprise me if they used one, just for old times' sake.
One of the good things about getting older is that people tend to lose their "filter" and just say exactly what they believe without caring what others think. Not that Stone's ever exactly had much of a filter, but I could see him being louder than ever in his old age.
As soon as you move from the category of "inconvenience" to "liability", you can rest assured your next status will be "dead".
TPTB will most certainly move to discredit and marginalize him first though... which is pretty easy to do with the braindead masses these days.