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A Greek Demands No More Lies: "If We Opt For Comforting But Phony Rhetoric We Dig Our Own Graves"
By Alexis Papachelas, first posted in Kathimerini
No More Lies
We have become accustomed to cynicism and lies that we have are immune to anything that is said. Various people come up with comments like: “Come on, SYRIZA is all talk, it won’t actually carry out what it says; I’m certain of it. It will do an about-face.” This position is not adopted by voters alone. Opposition officials are reassuring representatives of the establishment that they have nothing to fear with regard to what’s on the party program as it is not binding in any way.
Of course this was also the case with the previous opposition and the one before that. They promised one thing in public, another in their program and ended up delivering something completely different in the end. This is something of a political disease in Greece. In a normal country citizens would not elect anyone who so blatantly showed that what was said during the pre-election period was merely a gimmick to attract votes. Sure, we put up with it in the past and still do today. It’s a populist tradition that began with the tough-guy attitude of Andreas Papandreou. Remember the US military bases issue? We glorified Papandreou as a political maestro as he fooled people with promises of closing the bases and then fooled them again by keeping them open. We ended up giving legitimacy to lies and accepting hypocrisy as a legitimate tactic used by our leaders. Despite the crisis, this tradition stands today. Politicians utter big words for the public with a wink to those in the know, a tip that they will not do as they say.
What’s worse is that Greek politicians have lied to our foreign partners and creditors with same ease with which they lie to us. For instance, they signed a memorandum with dozens of reforms they pledged to implement within a given period of time. Then they started the funny business: laws were passed but either left unimplemented or even canceled altogether. Then, just before a new bailout tranche was to be released, the excuses would start, blaming others or forces beyond their control for their lack of progress. Those outside Greece could not understand why any responsible politician would sign on the dotted line when they couldn’t deliver and our credibility suffered. The cost ultimately fell on those who were unable to shield themselves from amendments passed on the sly, directives that only the most savvy could possibly understand; in short, it fell on the taxpayers, who were bled dry.
It’s time for citizens and the media to grow up. To pressure politicians for the truth and not to ostracize those who dare to tell it like it is. If we opt for comforting rhetoric, knowing how phony it is, we will be digging our own graves.
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Guess the alternative is to dig someone else's grave.
Go long shovels.
go short gyros.....very short
Gosh, this is about the best description of the Greek desease i ever red by a Greek. But since that Alexis Papachelas guy IS Greek, how do i know it´s not just another lie just to fool others again?
Greeks have a culture where cheating is seen a a smart move. That´s why they do not belong to the civlized world.
"In a normal country citizens would not elect anyone who so blatantly showed that what was said during the pre-election period was merely a gimmick to attract votes"
What world does he live in and how do I find a portal to it?
The Greeks have been doing this sionce biblical times:
Titus 1:12-14New International Version (NIV)12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”[a] 13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth.
I can say this because I am a Greek and I never lie... ;-D
OBTW: messymerry is Greek for the afternoon nap time also called siesta in Spanish...
Take note: Politicians and the media are in bed together, 2 peas in a pod, any other suggestions?
This is treason in the Empire of Lies.
Take a look at Jesse's graphic "The Political and Economic Continuum" here (scroll down page):
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/
"In a normal country citizens would not elect anyone who so blatantly showed that what was said during the pre-election period was merely a gimmick to attract votes"
Unfortunately this is normal for so-called Democracy.
Democracy without responsibility and accountability, without automatic systemic punitive punishments for hypocracy and lies; is nothing more than a fraud perpetrated upon those foolish enought to place trust in the system and the actors which populate it.
Ergo: there is no such thing.
Democracy is a fraud. It does not exist. It probably never did anywhere at any time. Interesting idea though....
Democracy is just another con like the divine right of kings.
Enabled by the perpetual stupidity of the masses.
I may have a solution to this. So every 4 years an election is held and each candidate is placed into cache, then every Quarter the people can vote either Like or Dislike and when the tally reaches a predetermined % their immediately removed and the #2 person takes over.
You could apply this to department heads also.
It's the red pill and blue pill thing. You took the wrong pill so you're in the wrong world.
"In a normal country citizens would not elect anyone who so blatantly showed that what was said during the pre-election period was merely a gimmick to attract votes."
That statement defines the United States. Guess we're an abnormal country.
Think about what you type.
Greeks have a culture where cheating is seen a a smart move. That´s why they do not belong to the civlized world.
If that's the case, why aren't the world's bankers all Greek?
Truth, we should be encougaging everybody on Wall St to colonize Mars....
In a nuke tipped ICBM.
Because bankers are Khazars.
"Greeks have a culture where cheating is seen a a smart move. That´s why they do not belong to the civlized world."
In that case, as the whole of the West is exactly the same, it doesn't belong to the civilized world.
I'd quite agree, though.
@Lea
the culture of people, ethics, values etc. have nothing to do with the debt system built in the West and exported throughout the World.
Dont think because we "wote" we have anysay on anything ... even prime ministers or presidents are just pawns and figure heads ... even if they wanted they are powerless to change the debt system.
Although, people are different of course, in general people are good, however, this debt based system by its nature being based on lies and cheating it tends to bring out at the top the scam of the earth ...in america (being a new country) it is even institutionalized and accepted as popular culture "good guys finish last" they say ... I have not seen such sayings in other cultures.
having said that, most we can do is to believe in God and try to live as best as you can with your values and ethics.
I'm not sure what god you're referring to, but the Christian god supports slavery, infanticide, murder, torture, etc...
the message was about the nature of the debt based system. do you have any comments or thoughts to contribute?
the reference to God was about my personal belief and two cents of advice.
the culture of people, ethics, values etc. have nothing to do with the debt system built in the West and exported throughout the World.
fucking wrong
if ppl were less selfish about their lame lifes and less jealous about neighbour possessing and systemical comparating with others, the world would never have produced such amount of junk product just because if one fucker buy, 100 other fuckers see it and want the same.
it IS ALL CULTURAL-ETHIC- VALUES etc.
Imagine a world in which everyone was as honest as politicians!
On second thoughts, don't.
Alexis Papaxelas was caught in WikiLeaks Gate passing the script of his "Documentary" on The Georgian-Russian War to the American Embasy in Athens for proof reading. NOTHING HE SAYS IS TO BE TRUSTED.
Papachelas is a Bilderberger, look up the lists. Nuff said.
And you are a civilised one??
Please tell us your ethnicity so we can be more enlightened.
Do go ahead.
World copies your creative work for 2500 years.
How you "cheat" into that ?
Not denying though that be it in architecture or in corruption "We are all Greeks now".
Enlightenment on the civilized workd by an assclown. Par for the course these days on zerohedge.
Time to call a spade a spade.
Call a spade a hand operated earth moving device.
Greek politicians lying to its citizens: it's a feta ccompli
@cpnscarlet
Hopefully big enough for the entire EU project, IMF, ECB and NATO would be hoping for a bit too much, later, perhaps.
This hilarious video sums it up about Greece. Gotta watch, unless you're from Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvl9N9GdraQ
Haha.
"We delay the Germans from Invading Russia so they freeze their asses off!"
How do you say, "Enjoy your grave" in Greek?
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Why just the Greeks. He seems to be describing American politicians as well.
Why just Greeks, He seems to be describing government.
Fixed it for you
He's describing all politicians--they all lie.
Not true. During Lincolns time, politicians would not promise anything, only campaign based on their records. They didn't want to be caught lying, which carried serious social stigma. It was the culture that changed. Still, I think there are honest politicians.
Can you think of one?
I think Kucinich and R Paul are pretty close.
Also Nader.
Wolf -erl
get to work Mr. Bullard!
No more government. Anywhere.
I like that idea, until a band of mad max bandits come through the neighborhood. So then I have to get a posse to combat that shit and thus you have government forming again. See how it works and why no solution has been found yet?
Huh? A "solution"? To evolution?
Government is said to be like a fire: in force and nature, i say its a bad idea to allow it to gather its own fuel.
A fight for freedom may bring the aircraft carrier USS Goldensacks close to your shores.
They could borrow one of those for a limited time only
Those outside Greece could not understand why any responsible politician would sign on the dotted line when they couldn’t deliver and our credibility suffered. The cost ultimately fell on those who were unable to shield themselves from amendments passed on the sly, directives that only the most savvy could possibly understand; in short, it fell on the taxpayers, who were bled dry.
That's the part where the sheep shows.
Hey, BaaaahBaaaah, outside Greece there are the same puppets employed by the same banksters in enslaving you, me - us. Those fucks gladly sign ANY dotted line, selling sheep in exchange for hookers, blow and power.
Two Bullseyes on Sunday morning! Good job Z-hedge.
You are breaking the first commandment of the corrupt....'never call a thing what it is'.
Careful.
The mobilization by the global financial mafia this time will be more intense, as its representatives know that a potential Leftist government in Greece who may strongly resist against the austerity policies, could trigger an "uncontrolled" domino rise of the Leftist powers in Europe, who will fight against the neoliberal agenda. Make no mistake, the war will be hard. But there is no alternative. Either the European people will choose to fight determined and united, or, will be surrendered to the plutocrats who will bring the new Dark Ages. The "Battle of Greece" will be decisive ...
"In a normal country citizens would not elect anyone who so blatantly showed that what was said during the pre-election period was merely a gimmick to attract votes."
I don't think he understands the new normal.
I was just going to ask where this is because I'd like to live there.
Same line of the article I keyed on. I kept thinking "OK, name one normal country."
It's the destruction of capital. Lies cost! People can continue to lie and say that it's possible to support a huge "royal family" of financiers and government bureaucrats but it's infeasible and unsustainable. Capital gets destroyed and consumed, and a proud, intelligent people wind up living in poverty, covered in the filth of lies.
Ok, we won't lie anymore.....Just give us another bailout.
When it becomes serious, you have to lie
- Jean-Claude Junker
All EU Members Dump Germany
Petiton Vlad for EEU!
This applies GLOBALLY.
It’s time for citizens and the media to grow up. To pressure politicians for the truth and not to ostracize those who dare to tell it like it is. If we opt for comforting rhetoric, knowing how phony it is, we will be digging our own graves.
Whoever you vote for, the government gets in.
Bidness as usual in the pre-apocolyptic banking rubble. And in a Rahm Emmanuel-like way the GREXIT crisis will not be wasted. From "German Economic News" --> Angela Merkel and Wolfgang Schäuble want to offer the failed Greek government a haircut at the expense of taxpayers. This is a victory for the Left Party SYRIZA should be prevented. At the same time, the crisis is to be used, the force end of the budget sovereignty of nation-states in the Euro-zone. In fact, the ECB will have the last word, as the Europeans' tax payments are used. Worry not, as the NS/CI-A have Gladio boots on the ground, drones circle jerkling and Goldman employees counting votes in the land that allegedly gave us democracy. <sigh>
If it wasn't true, it would be a good Thriller movie.
If it happened in Italy you bet your bottom dollar, it sure is for Greece.
It is the last country that they would leave alone.
Because of geopolitical reasons.
The ultimate fiscal fantasy is that DEBT DOESN'T MATTER.
IT DOES !!!!
Everything else falls in place from there.
Debt can enable a STARTUP ...A GREAT BEGINNING.....
But if it cannot be eliminated in a PLANNED manner with the growth of that startup, it becomes the antithesis of growth.
It permits NO WIGGLE ROOM. Everything MUST FALL INTO PLACE. YOU HAVE NO OPTIONS.
It means you MUST get up.....you MUST this , you must that....you are beholden....a slave TO YOUR DEBT.
AND ALL THOSE PLACING THEIR COUNTRY INTO DEBT SHOULD BE IMPRIOSNED in the vilest of dungeons.
KRUGMAN IS A MANIAC. As so is Bernanke and his host of demons, And then we have the ultimate thieves, our cuddly little Congress fools i mean folks.
God they make me puke. And WE ELECTED THEM.....AND RE-ELECTED THEM?????? ARE WE MAD???????
Of course this is preaching to the choir here. You all know this.
So I will go to the Fed Reserve Website and I will tell them this directly.
PLEASE JOIN IN !!!!
UNTIL WE MAKE IT KNOWN THAT WE DETEST THIS, WE DESERVE ALL THE SLAVERY WE ARE HANDED.
REPEAT THAT. UNDERSTAND THAT. THIS CHOIR IS THE PROBLEM. YOU READERS ARE THE PROBLEM.
YOU ARE SIMPLY MENTALLY MASTURBATING WITH YOUR POSTS HERE.
RAISE YOUR VOICE TO YOUR FELLOW CITIZENS AND TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FUCKING YOU OVER.
Posting here is nothing but whining....whoa is me....I am a slave....I have rights....I am equal....I deserve everything for nothing....
START THE NEW YEAR RIGHT AND TAKE A FUCKING STAND.
OPEN YOUR MOUTHS, HEARTS AND MINDS TO THE PEOPLE THAT MATTER !!!! AND THEN HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE!!!
GO AHEAD TYLER....PUT THIS POST AS A BIG LETTER POST.....
INCITE SOME COMMON SENSE !!!!!
p.s. If something says that fixing our debt cannot be done or should not be done......they are automatically stupid.
Tell them to get educated and quit living off the gifts of others.
"Is that you John Wayne? Is this me?"
No citizen (s)elected Bernanke. You are registering a complaint with the Fed? Perhaps you can write a wish on some Charmin and subsequently flush it - at least that may have a chance of possibly being read by a sewer cleaner.
Please don't shrink the charmin.
I shold have known not to read the police article (below) ...man did it bring out the crazies ......makes it tough to follow ZH sometimes.......
Now Grexit is a nice safe topic! most of the remarks being "Where does this guy live?" etc.
Problem is, the breakdown of societies engenders people like the Nazis...cause the PTB will accept any new government, as long as it will further their greed. Greece may be the tipping point that we look back on and say....OF COURSE ..it had to happen! (Why didn't people see that back then and DO SOMETHING about it?)
ahh wel......
Bubblegum for the brain the trade is a looong short Athex
'The EU is making big talk that Greece dropping out won't hurt them while hoping that nobody figures out how much this sets a precedent. Italy and Spain are circling the toilet too and and if either of them drops out the whole thing implodes.
Somehow they seem to have deluded themselves into thinking Spain and Italy are fixed and France is not far behind...chortle chortle, yuk yuk...
PIIGS join BRICS, build strong house to protect from wolf.
What awaits the Greeks is cruel beyond belief.
They no longer have the younger demographic of yesteryear, the lower government and personal debt of yesteryear, the manufacturing capacity of yesteryear, the solvent pension funds of yesteryear, the big inflow of shipping income from sailors of yesteryear, the big inflow of funds from migrants of yesteryear, the lower unemployment levels of yesteryear or even the drachma of yesteryear which they could devalue and with which they could pay off foreign debt.
What they do have is vultures in their parliament, in Brussels, in Turkey and in Germany waiting to strip her of anything of value at the first opportunity.
Yes, reality will be cruel.
Cruelty is the only thing that the 'vultures' understand.
We ALL have to learn to speak their language.
Sharpen your pitchforks. Boil your rope.
The Tree Of Liberty requires constant tending...
Let 's see if Vlad has a counter offer for his Orthodox brethren
The minute he makes such a move and the Greeks look like accepting, the USA will give the nod to Turkey to create an incident leading to conflict.
Johnny Turk is not so in luv with Team USA anymore...
I dont think the CIA really cares
the people or should I say sheeple can't and wont handle the truth that we are all just like Greece and this shit game will never endas long as there is paper, ink and a RELLY FAT FINGER left we will just play musical headlines of countries that are in trouble and the next master will save the sheeple from the slaughter. Now it is Sunday and the fat cat bankers are getting ready to feed us to the wolves of wall street
Our political class is a reflection of who we, the electorate, are.
I wish I had a dollar for everytime I've heard "yea, he's a crook. But he's our crook" uttered by my fellow voters.
The big mistake is voting in the first place.
Say only 5% of a population voted.
Could any 'government' claim a mandate?
The only choices ever offered are the crook on the left and the crook on the rignt.
I wonder why the government are pretty much all crooks?
Those that aren't are sidelined.
The bloke is talking shite the ones that really criticised the goverment have been thrown in jail awaiting trial on trumped up charges.They have also been barred from making any statements to the press.This is democracy
Who needs 300 Spartans... Given that Germany's men were effectively neutered after WW2 and turned into metrosexual twit poofters, 50 swarthy Greek dudes with some brass knuckles could probably conquer Germany, hog tie the corpulent Frau Merckel, and end Germany's NWO Fourth Reich EU freak show within a couple of weeks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHZR9SA5pOg&feature=player_embedded
50 Greeks? No problem for me alone and my grandpa`s K98 Mauser. The problem is more like how to tell Greeks and Turks apart?
Are the Greeks allowed any weapons or would you like them DISARMED for you to deal with them??
Maybe some Cretan knives at least??
or are you willing to go it as equal with at least one of them having a hundred year old Enfield?
And your grandpa's mates DID NOT do too well with the Intentionally disarmed (The British did not want to meet them after the WWII) local Cretan population either.
"Comforting but phoney rhetoric" Sounds like most nations worldwide...but, particularly, the United States.
All I know for sure is what the world leaders are doing has not worked out for the producers.
Thats it in a nutshell. Now correcting it is going to come thru real true accountability to the producers. Stop producing. If the system dont work for you why on earth should you work for it. A global strike of real producers. Screw all the nonproducers. Let them pull this wagon down this fd up path they like so much. Maybe then they will be able to grasp truth.
The idea that people cant see the truth because they are being paid not to. Well its true so long as the pay keeps comming. That pay comes not from the system but from the producers thru theft. If we cant stop the theft we should stop the production. Starve the beast.
The article fails to mention that the last 40 years Greece was governed by the PASOK (socialist) and the ND (liberal) parties. Both parties blatantly lied before elections only to claim that they have inhereted scorched earth when they came to power, in alternation.
Both parties are deeply statists and corrupted in such numerous ways that will take SYRIZA years in power to acquire this kind of "know-how".
The current Greek political status quo and big conglomerates (banks, media, ship-owners, etc) are afraid that SYRIZA will bring an end to the "special" treatement they received during PASOK and ND rule.
They never really cared about what Europeans had to say as long as they concured that the status quo in Greece should be maintained; after all stability in the country should be ensured at all costs and the loans should be repayed. Points of friction with Euro-elites occured whenever it was suggested that external to the country entities gain a foothold in Greece and its resources, using the accumulated debt as leverage.
During the last five years several new political parties emerged in Greece with the aim of maintaining the status quo in one way or another (DHMAR, Independent Greeks, Golden Dawn, the River, the newfound party of former prime minister Papandreou). All these parties have partially met their aim until now: DHMAR has participated in the ND-PASOK governance, the River aspires to be the supporter of a new collation of the willing (supporters of the memondarum dictated policies), several Independend Greek MPs have joined the ND-PASOK government during its course, Golden Dawn has supported several bills that favoured ship-owners, and the Papandreou party aspires to be a "better" PASOK in place of the former socialist party.
The people in Greece are naturally afraid that the changes that SYRIZA will effect are going to destabilize the country - they are well aware that conglomorates within Greece will try to bring the country to its knees to prevent SYRIZA from depriving them from their "special rights". Nevertheless they are hopeful that SYRIZA will not fail them in bringing much needed change.
Nobody within Greece cares about what Merkel or others Eurocrats have to say about the Greek situation; their views are oftenly used as an excuse by Greek media to justify measures that clearly favour big corporations within Greece. Alas, after five year of crisis this disguise is perceived as such by the majority of the Greek public.
To crib a line from our friend V...
Useless talkings.
There is a can.
It will be kicked.
There will be no 'credit events'.
Ever.
Period.
The EMU was summomed from the darkness.
It will live forever. You will serve the EMU.
clearly the USA is not normal either. Nixon was probably the most blatant example of making up shit to get votes.
Price controls, facism, fiat money and a compliant central bank to buy votes?
Obviously I'm not saying Nixon is the only one, just he was the guy first guy who was so blatant about it. Now its passe to be blatant
I didn't know Wendy Davis was Greek.
I lived in Greece for many years. There are very, very, very few Greeks that pay their true taxes. It's so incredibly blatant that I don't know how they ever afforded anything at the Federal level.
Left-Right Left-Right Left-Right Left-Right Left-Right
As You Were CUNTS
The ONLY good Politician is a DEAD Politician. Captured - Bought & Paid For with very few exceptions.
USA- vote NO Incuntments (Incumbents)
Pampersdreou Georges took half a billion euros from Troika ( Goldman& Deutche Bank ) ; Paid into mamas A/C in Suisse; Nazi Geld/Gold in the numbered A/C next door.
MEDIA ( owned by the same SHITE ) as per my call to The Daily ToryGraph on the EVE OF IRAQ WAR they told me FUCK-OFF BOLLOCKS YOU'RE A CUNT
Let the PAIN get worserererer and Maybe in 5/10 Years we can have Decentralization with INDEPENDENT villages and proper accountability.
OR when CHINA caters for DOMESTIC CONSUMPTION ONLY and stops sending STUFF the SHEEP shall rise UP.
Until then the besten Hopen are Italian Local Hop Pickers Coop United Front trade directly with China and Russia for STUFFEN.
It always amused me that modern Greeks are so proud of ancient Greece, as if they were descended from them. In the centuries after it's glory years, Greece suffered a massive influx of other peoples, mostly slavic and albanian. THose who now live in Greece have very little genetic content derived from ancient Greece.
Let's hope that we we don't find ourselves hearing the same thigns said about the USA in the year 4,000. But I suspect we will.
let them sunk....im just imagined going greek
with hot greek girls....they are so desperate nowdays!!
athens is becoming the new mecca of porn.
http://whenthecrisishitthefan.com/2011/12/12/sirens-call-greeks-into-por...
http://www.xvideos.com/video3252190/greek_girl_casting
just make sure that greek girls could afford to immigrate,after theyr prodistined
trip to thirld world status!
for the love of greek babes!
http://www.sexgr.net/call-girls/ad122785-eygenia-greek-girl-6945717586
I have been told by Greek-Americans,that the quality of the Greeks living overseas is much higher than Greeks living in Greece
Is that in the quality of their lies?
?
i do not understand what you are trying to say
The Greeks who work left, leaving the Greek FSA back at home?
The systemic problems inside Greece and the straightjacket of EU membership and the Euro are all probably much more than mere elected politicians can handle. WHat real powers do they have other than to push more austerity and pay cuts?
The EU was the death of Greece. The people were told that a German lifestyle was just one EU membership away. Politicians of Brussels spread this lie, and the Greeks ate it up. Soon Germany began it's massive vendor financed export binge to Greece. Greece also took it's new access to easy loans and began to spend like Germans, as if Greece had an economy like Germany's.
They all put the cart before the horse. EU membership did not make Greece a new economy. What it did do is open up new channels for leverage. Greece began a new flood of imports and financed it from German bank loans. What was worse, once Greece was in the EU, Government answered the people's demands to live a German life style, without the German work. Retirement age was dropped, education was funded, all forms of welfare expanded. The one case most indicative of Greece in the EU was the new retirement law. Hair Dressers demanded an early government retirement due to their dangerous work with chemical hair treatments. Government responded with a promise of free money for life after age 50 or something around that! So this example shows Greek Government spending like they had German revenues, yet had no German real economy to support it.
The liars in Brussels and the Liars in Athens. They both caused this. And the Greek people were more than happy to be lied to, and even more happy to raise their living standards on borrowed money, not productivity. Face it. You can't have a monetary union between Greece and Germany, who are as different in every way as possible.
My solution? There is none. Greece needs to leave the EU, default totally. Go into depression, but a debt free depression. Only when free of Brussels and all debts can they have an opportunity to rebuild. If they choose not to defualt, exit and rebuild, then the Greeks are hopeless, and must be abandoned totally to their fate.
While bankrupt Ukraine, neededing free money of 15 billion today, 15 billion this summer, 15 billion next fall and 15 billion the following winter, just to fund current operations, seeks to join the EU, Greece will exit. Let's see if Germany has the cash to feed the monster to the East. 40 million people unwilling to work and demanding now the German lifestyle. Get it? We have been here before, only in Ukraine's case it is much bigger a fool's errand than Greece. Greece can't stay in the EU, their default will trigger God knows how many Credit Default Swaps and other derivative bets by banks riding on Greece. It's not Greek debt that threatens the EU banks, it is the CDS written on Greek debts. That is what implodes the EU banks.
There are solutions. That they all suck is another issue.
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Goldman 'write up' their credentials to join the EU?
Golden Dawn is the third largest party. The only real opposition and that is why these articles never mention them unless to vilify. Check out ( Golden Dawn New York )
What opposition? Golden dawn are murderous fascists funded by big ship-owners in Greece and in bed with the government (see Baltakos scandal)
Just one comment. Alexis Papahelas is a member of the Bilderberg Group.
And Chuck Smith who also publishes here claims to "channel" members of these type of groups. Of course he'll claim he was only joking. Maybe he'll even throw in a laugh or two to convince you
Here's what Hillary thinks is funny. Is she also channeling someone or something or is this really her?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtH7iv4ip1U
http://uglydemocrats.com/democrats/United-States/Hillary-Clinton/Hillary...
quote: They promised one thing in public, another in their program and ended up delivering something completely different in the end. This is something of a political disease in Greece. 1. there is no difference to any other country, concerning the statements of polit. parties. 2. elections will never change ianything withn the establishment. only a guillotine can make a change.
Asking politicians for "no more lies" is like asking God for "no more climate".