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Russia's "Startling" Proposal To Europe: Dump The US, Join The Eurasian Economic Union
Slowly but surely Europe is figuring out that as a result of the western economic and financial blockade of Russian, it is Europe itself that is suffering the most. And while Germany was first to acknowledge this late in 2014 when its economy swooned and is now on the verge of a recession, now others are catching on. Case in point: the former head of the European Commission, and Italy’s former Prime Minister, Romano Prodi who told Messaggero newspaper that the "weaker Russian economy is extremely unprofitable for Italy."
The other details from Prodi's statement:
Lowered prices in the international energy markets have positive aspects for the Italian consumers, who pay less for the fuel, but the effect will be only short-term. In the long-term however the weaker economic situation in countries producing energy resources, caused by lower oil and gas prices, mostly in Russia, is extremely unprofitable for Italy, he said.
“The lowering of the oil and gas prices in combination with the sanctions, pushed by the Ukrainian crisis, will drop the Russian GPD by five percent per annum, and thus it will cause cutting of the Italian export by about 50%,” Prodi said.
“Setting aside the uselessness or imminence of the sanctions, one should highlight a clear skew: regardless of the rouble rate against dollar, which is lower by almost a half, the American export to Russia is growing, while the export from Europe is shrinking.”
In other words, just as slowly, the world is starting to grasp the bottom line: it is not the financial exposure to Russia, or the threat of financial contagion should Russia suffer a major recession or worse: it is something far simpler that will lead to the biggest harm for Europe's countries. The lack of trade. Because while central banks can monetize everything, leading to an unprecedented asset bubble which if only for the time being boosts investor and consumer confidence, they can't print trade - that all important driver of growth in a globalized world long before central banks were set to monetize over $1 trillion in bonds each and every year to mask the fact that the world is deep in a global depression.
Which is why we read the following report written in yesterday's Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten with great interest because it goes right to the bottom line. In it Russia has a not so modest proposal to Europe: dump trade with the US, whose call for Russian "costs" has cost you another year of declining economic growth, and instead join the Eurasian Economic Union! From the source:
Russia has presented a startling proposal to overcome the tensions with the EU: The EU should renounce the free trade agreement with the United States TTIP and enter into a partnership with the newly established Eurasian Economic Union instead. A free trade zone with the neighbors would make more sense than a deal with the US.
It surely would, but then how will Europe feign outrage when the NSA is found to have spied yet again on its "closest trading partners?" Some more on Russia's proposal from EUobserver:
Vladimir Chizhov told EUobserver: “Our idea is to start official contacts between the EU and the EAEU as soon as possible. [German] chancellor Angela Merkel talked about this not long ago. The EU sanctions [on Russia] are not a hindrance”.
“I think that common sense advises us to explore the possibility of establishing a common economic space in the Eurasian region, including the focus countries of the Eastern Partnership [an EU policy on closer ties with Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine]".
"We might think of a free trade zone encompassing all of the interested parties in Eurasia”.
He described the new Russia-led bloc as a better partner for the EU than the US, with a dig at health standards in the US food industry.
“Do you believe it is wise to spend so much political energy on a free trade zone with the USA while you have more natural partners at your side, closer to home? We don’t even chlorinate our chickens”, the ambassador said.
The treaty establishing the Eurasian Union entered into life on Thursday (1 January).
It includes Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia, with Kyrgyzstan to join in May.
Modelled on the EU, it has a Moscow-based executive body, the Eurasian Economic Commission, and a political body, the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council, where member states’ leaders take decisions by unanimity.
It has free movement of workers and a single market for construction, retail, and tourism. Over the next 10 years, it aims to create a court in Minsk, a financial regulator in Astana and, possibly, to open Eurasian Economic Commission offices in Astana, Bishkek, Minsk, and Yerevan.
It also aims to launch free movement of capital, goods, and services, and to extend its single market to 40 other sectors, with pharmaceuticals next in line in 2016.
And as a reminder: The Eurasian Economic Union, a trade bloc of former Soviet states, expanded to four nations Friday when Armenia formally joined, a day after the union between Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan began.
So the ball is in your court, Europe: will it be a triple-dip (and soon thereafter quadruple: see Japan) recession as your Goldman-controlled central bank plunders ever more of what little is left of middle-class wealth with promises that this year - for real - is when it all turns around, or will Europe acknowledge it has had enough and shifts its strategic, and trade, focus from west (speaking of the TTIP, Germany's agriculture minister just said "We can't protect every sausage" referring to the TTIP) to east?
Considering just whose interests are represented by the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels, we won't be holding our breath.
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Needs a more catchy name. I volunteer my Anti-Bolshevik Federation idea. Has nice ring to it. Images of Soros and the rest of the ZWO being dragged behind freight cars come immediately to mind.
Aw c’mon now.. they know better and we don’t want to have to bomb Germany and Italy again.
What if the four beasts go down all together, leaving a lot of mess (Russia, USA, China and EU)
Ha Ha Ha Ha what is Russia trying to do, get Europe nuked. The Americans will kill her before they let her out of this abusive relationship. I mean Uncle Sam listens to all of Europe's phone calls, they monitor where ever she goes with ther foreign policy, and they fuck her constantly with a dollar penis that keeps getting bigger and bigger. Just look at the pics of Uncle Sam, the guy is a role model for a wife beater hahahah, he looks like one of those trailer trash dudes with his long white hair and beard hahaha
Hey William B. we need a pic of Uncle Sam in a wife beater T shirt without sleeves pointing at Europa and saying Ill kill you before Ill let you go BIATCH!
Get to work Mr Bullard!
Fuck the EU Mr Bullard!
No wonder the USSA is attacking Russia via a puppet Ukraine....the USSA fears losing the EU colonies.
Notice how Soros in one of his latest statements, endorsed Merkel as a true European leader.
Stepping back from the whole situation, what is going on?
I think it is simply "bite the bullet" time for Russia. The ongoing trend has been towards the NWO take over, and at some point, one either keeps going along and gets swallowed, or "bites the bullet" and resists. Once resistance is actually and fully embraced, all sorts of formerly unthinkable actions become obvious next steps, and this latest is one of them.
My concern is that neither side is at all likely to give in or compromise in any real sense. And since both have nuclear arsenals, the outcome is seriously dangerous.
Putin should start yanking on chains a bit more.
He should buy hundredes of billions of dollars of gold longs on the COMEX, and then announce he will be discussing the monetary system over the course of a few days, commencing with a couple hour long speech on the gold standard, pointing out everything that was beneficial about it. Everyone would think: he's hinting they're going to start demanding gold for oil & gas!; POG would probably double overnight.
He could then cash out, go short, and for his next speech list all the reasons states like fiat currencies, and how the dominant financial power, the US, would never go back to the gold standard. POG would plummet! He could then go long again, and for his third speech, start off: "did I say the US would never go back to the gold standard? I meant to say: would never willingly go back to the gold standard" and then announce they'll be taking gold for oil and gas henceforth, bitchez.
Fuck the hunting and riding around on a horse bare-chested; if I were Vlad, that's how I'd be getting laughs.
Soon they will print jobs. And I welcome that glorious day.
A Eurasian Union would be the worst case scenario for the neocons.
Look Euroland....America is heading full fledged into communism. We here in Russia already know that doesn't work....trust on that....we should know.
You're a moron. Isn't usage of "neocons" cliche by now?
Trade with EurAsia makes more sense if the only thing you can think to do is look at a map.
Europe and especially the UK are still US bitches.... If the US senses the EU is considering something like a more open trading relationship with Russia, they will sabatoge the Euro, the EU, the UK...all to maintain the US hegemony and US control over all other nations. Wait and see.
Theyve already started...look at what some .gov contractor did to the german steel industry two weeks ago.
http://rt.com/news/216379-germany-steel-plant-hack/
I will never get this type of story. Steel mills, power plants, all these types of things worked great before there was internet everywhere. Why is it they have to attach the controls of a steel mill to a internet connected network? Could they not have the network or computers/controls work without an internet connection? I bet they could.
According to the article some phishing type attack was used, so there is human error there too it seems. They still had to access over the networks though.
Sounds like the Chavez government's dealings re Crystallex.
So Merkel comes out and says Greece maybe can go it alone, and within two days Russians are opening up a new trade proposal? Me thinks this was aimed not at the EU but at Greece. Imagine the tight puckers around the EU/USA if Greece were to jump over to a new Eurasian economic zone. Repudiate EU debt with the understanding that the new zone would help with friendlier terms?
yeah boy!! :)
Oh boy!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmlnltVzksg
Putin kicked the Rothchild bankers (club of isles) crowd out years back and that is when the western neocons and NGOs came down on him. I think he is ready. No nukes will be used, there is an operation that is stopping that as I write. I bet Obama is not allowed to even touch the nuclear football. The dollar as trade settlement is going to erode and disappear. Plan for that, life will otherwise go on.
Putin to merkel : No metter what you do, you will be fucked anyway..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2M5l__vCwo
Fuck Soros
To all illiterate and feebleminded ZH posters,
You know shit about Zionist-controlled Russia. You are stupid idiots thinking that Putin will save you from Zionist Banking Mafia. He is just one of their foot soldiers!
Given your post history consists almost entirely on Putin, it seems it is you yourself that gets a hard on over the guy.
and it just got worse! Seems like every year the POTUS quietly signs controversial acts into law while Americans are busy with the holidays. This year was no exception;
http://www.mintpressnews.com/happy-holidays-obama-endorses-militarized-israel-land-grabs-domestic-spying/200374/
This would be another step in the petrodollar's death.
"...step..." ?
That first one's a doozy off of El Capitan.
The first big step off El Capitan were the China/Russia agreements.
Everything following is the march of pallbearers.
Re: The NDAA authorizes $578 billion in spending [for FY2015], including $496 billion to be spent by the Pentagon in the upcoming year and $64 billion for overseas wars. < You can raise some fairly serious hell with $64 Billion, but a lot of that is probably allocated already for enrichment of contractors in Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq. Remaining crumbs might be enough for the Nazis in Kiev to continue shelling civilians in East Ukraine.
Your tax dollars at work: Ukraine Crisis: Death and Destruction in East Ukraine
Obama also signed the United States-Israel Strategic Partnership Act of 2014 on Dec. 19. The bill is the fruit of the lobbying efforts of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). The lobbying group which advocates for pro-Israel policies released a statement after the act was signed into law, saying: “[T]he measure lays the foundation for expanded U.S.-Israel cooperation in a wide variety of spheres, including defense, intelligence, homeland security, cyber security, energy, water, agriculture, and alternative fuel technologies.”
"... the bill legally commits the U.S. to making Israel “stronger than all its opponents combined.”
"... the bill increases Israel’s stockpile of American weapons to be used in an emergency from a value of $200 million to $2 billion"
Good to know that our tax dollars and the dollar's Reserve status are being well used, in this... Reverse Robin Hood model. Along a similar vein...
Israel's PM Netanyahu refuses to let his troops get dragged into the ICC: "We will not let Israel Defence Forces (IDF) soldiers and officers be dragged to the International Criminal Court in The Hague". Ref = http://rt.com/news/219735-israel-soldiers-icc-netanyahu/
Lindsey Graham in Jerusalem: Senate vote coming on Iran sanctions bill
US Senator Lindsey Graham groveling before his ethno-oligarch controllers.
"Graham (R-S.C.), who is expected to take over as chairman of the Foreign Appropriations Subcommittee when the Republicans assume control of the Senate in January, met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the Israeli capital on Saturday night."
"Graham told Netanyahu that “the Congress will follow your lead” and will want to have a say about any final deal."
http://www.jta.org/2014/12/28/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/sen-graham...
Jewish Groups Get 94% of Homeland Security GrantsFunds Boosted for 'Jewish Earmark' Once Again
http://forward.com/articles/203059/jewish-groups-get--of-homeland-securi...
Lindsey Graham in Jerusalem
They can keep him....
Regarding the "controversial acts" included in the NDAA renewal is a land swap of Arizona tribal land containing copper deposits.
The receipient of the land swap gift (drum roll, please ) is Rio Tinto subsidiary Resolution Copper.
Rio Tinto is (tin foil hat, please) a Rothchild entity.
Arizona Sinators (sic) Jeff Flake (actual name) and McCain lobbied for the deal.
Jeff Flake previously served as lobbyist for Rossing Uranium an African mining company owned by (drum roll, please) Rio Tinto.
Sad.
I haven't read the details of the swap, but would you trade away a gold mine, a diamond field, or an oil deposit?
Economically, true wealth and true substance must arise from natural resources. Why give away the wealth of the nation?
Sad.
The Last Man
uncle sam is obama.
You mean Uncle Scam is Obama.
You mean Obama is Uncle Tom.
He's half white....and you know how white people will do you.
“He’s leaving our studio and sees a cut-out of Obama and says ‘he’s a rat bastard’ – oh because I’m black I have to like Obama,”
“He mimicked me, he followed me for years, and they wanted me to train him and teach him how to act….like a an educated south side African-American,” adding that Lennix thought Obama was “very stupid” and had “been taught to act like this.”
http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/topic/5288222/1/
I know what you're wondering.....who are "they". Well....this is as far as I go today.
Obama is his wife, Aunt Jemima.
I thought Aunt Jemima was married to Uncle Ben -- now I'm even more confused.
Europe is a fragile cookie that has problems staying in one piece as it is.
the only way Russia could join is by breaking up in more little states.
Remember also that Europe is co trolled by the big countries which would loose power if Russia joined and they wouldn’t want to risk that.
But with smaller regions like Ukraine, it might be possible.
And Putin wouldn’t want that because that would exclude him.
And I don’t think the US would be so happy about all that because than there’s the Chinese aliance and that would mean there’s almost nothing left because Europe also has tighter relations with the middle east. And than there’s the Brics!
Everybody would be united besides America.
it would be a world government ex US and Africa which nobody wants officially.
It simply can’t happen.
that's the funny thing about turning points in history
a lot of things happen when "they simply can't"
the american lap dog over the atlantic is losing energy fast
as the article points out, the putin price punch is very short sighted
with ugly long term affects
the other funny thing here is that Putin, whether his offers are accepted, rejected or debated, is acting like ten times the statesmen as the Ugly Uncle
Love him or hate him, this is a serious proposal, and as such is the equivalent of waving the biggest red cape in front of the proverbial enraged bull!!
If nothing else, this is quite THE show of confidence in National capabilities, to "manage" further "American Aggression". Seems 2015 is going to be a "very interesting" year for future historians . . . .
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Winston is feverishly rewriting history now with all the revisions of economic data releases, school textbook (history, constitutional updates). Future history will be a thing of the past? Or the past will be a result of future history?
"I forget what I did tomorrow!" a common problem within The Ministry of Truth.
Housing starts rose today from the prior seasonally adjusted and recently revised numbers. A clear sign we are turning the corner. * An incredibly long corner.
Makes you wonder. Just who wrote that book. Or, which came first, the Chicken or the egg?
In chess terms this is called pushing a pawn...nothing much may come of it, or it could be a game changer. Putin knows this, which is why he did it.
but most interestingly - certainly for appraisals of Putins character and resilience - is that he is offering an olive branch with confidence, in circumstances where a lesser player would easily be too aggreived at euro sanctions to be so calm and magnanimous
whether russia prospers or fades, putin is not a man out of his depth
Putin knows that Brussels will decline his offer but this offer is aimed at antagonising the educated guy on the streets of Europe who know that the US are pulling all the sanction strings. The Right wing is starting to take hold in France just as UKIP are in the UK both lean more towards Russia than the US . Remember, the failure of wall the of a Dam starts with only a fine trickle before the gushing flood.
That picture will be a hoot...
Nice.
SPOT ON: Remember the lyrIcs to the 'Eagles' Hotel California song, "You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave!!!"
"The Americans will kill her before they let her out of this abusive relationship."
Agreed. I have frequently stated that the psychological profile of Obama mentor Zbigniew Brzezinski and his geopolitical strategy is that of an abusive spouse that prevents the other person from having any close relationships outside of the marriage.
Particuarly as he writes in The Grand Chessboard, "To put it in a terminology that harkens back to the more brutal age of ancient empires, the three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together."
"maintain security dependence among the vassals" There it is right there.
One thinks of Chancellor Sutler from V for Vendetta:
"I want everyone to remember, why they need us!"
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/30183766.jpg
This oughta make the point in one image.
My money is on the four beasts long run.
In the short run, my money is on the four breasts.....
Join the Eurasian Union they said... it will be fun they said...
We'll soon be at war with Eurasia!
I'm haulin' ass to Oceania, dude!
"I'm haulin' ass to Oceania, dude!"
STAY RIGHT THERE SPORT....WE HAVE ENOUGH CRAZY PEOPLE HERE NOW
... I'm haulin' ass to Oceania, dude!
Is Oceania our friend or foe TODAY? ;-)
Looney
C'mon,...I'll buy you a pizza.
Just get on the bus.
Just get on the bus M.F!
Free pizza and you 'get' to vote too!!
Cuba and Venezuela are already half way there to join up the EEU.
While the music's moving, it's the words of Oceania's Anthem that really get me:
"All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I’m fine."
"In some ways she was far more acute than Winston, and far less susceptible to Party propaganda. Once when he happened in some connection to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, 'just to keep people frightened'. This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him."
- George Orwell (25 June 1903 - 21 January 1950), "1984"
A classic quote...PhysicalRealm...
take a look at the rockets in Isreal, some suggest the Palestinians don't fire their rockets at night but the anti-rocket missiles are there merely to terrify the people into believing they are being regularly attacked.
Early BBC live TV version of 1984. "BBC Sunday-Night Theatre" Nineteen Eighty-Four (1954) is a British television adaptation of the novel of the same name by George Orwell, originally broadcast on BBC Television in December 1954. The production proved to be hugely controversial, with questions asked in Parliament and many viewer complaints over its supposed subversive nature and horrific content.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba4J6umbbp0
Video blocked in the UK
http://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+proxy&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&cli...
Sounds like H. L. Mencken:
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
zero hobgoblins...
"Hobgoblins, hobgoblins, what do you do with those hobgoblins? They're over here, they're over there, those darn hobgoblins are everywhere!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q18Wz73yUPo
My uncle has a map of where he bombed before. We can use that and save money from printing new ones.
My uncle has a map of where he bombed before. We can use that and save money from printing new ones.
How about the United Federation of Anti-Bolsheviks
That way it can include everyone in the universe and you can replace the former USA chant with UFA! UFA!
Let Freedom Ring because its gone in the former USA. As evidenced here by complete and utter morons celebrating their complete enslavement under a police state as victory for freedom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwzPUkX0uug
We can laugh at this if we like, but it's a public, official offer. Could be pure politicking, a genuine offer, or a statement, but one thing it's not is irrelevant.
It's in these type of moves we have a chance to find motives and maybe peak behind the curtain if we recognize that no public move is a joke, all have a purpose.
More like Anti-Bullshit.
These economic blocks/unions between unequal partners are never a good idea. It hasn't worked in Yugoslavia, it hasn't worked in the Soviet Union and it's clearly not working in the European Union.
Why "this time, it will be different" is beyond me.
Trololololo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32UGD0fV45g
Works stunningly well in the US between the coasts and fly-over lands.
Yes of course, because it's ethnically, financially, judicially, linguistically and culturally one big homogeneous area.
Wasn't always that way, they shed some blood of some peoples.
They never stopped killing to make this place what they want it to be.
They are busy doing it right now and planned for more...
LOFL....but seriously what the fuck would the US do without California....worlds 8th largest economy.
LOFL....Turn off the water and watch you fuckers dry up and blow away....
California....worlds 8th largest shithole.
Since NWO is not working too well under US hegamony , this is a natural move towards Regionalism. 1) Americas with Canada, US, Mexico and parts of Central America, including Cuba. 2) EU with Central Europe Eastern Europe and Russia. 3)Japan, China and Southeast Asia. 4) Middle East countries and North Africa. 5) Brazil with other South American nations. Americas is self sufficient in energy with advent of fracking. Europe can be supplied energy by Russia and new sources in Med and Black Sea. Similarly Brazil can supply South America and ME can always supply energy starved nations which explains Saudi Arabia's policy to hold on to current markets. It also seems other nations are coming to the realization that the Petrodollar and reserve US $ status only helps the US while exporting all the ill effects, not to mention US miltary industrial complex monopoly in waging useless wars for Empire preservation and cultural over reach. Obviosly there are other possible Regions that seem natural while other nations will have difficulty deciding their natural economic partners such as UK, Isreal, Pakistan, etc. The point is the entire Financial System is about to see major changes driven by trade patterns rather than by the desires of Washington, Federal Reserve, Goldman Sachs or JP Morgan. .
the only problem with this (and all other sensible ideas about the world's future) is that the decision-makers, both in europe as well as here (russia and china are still an unknown) are already bought and owned. no decision for the futures of the ussa, japan or europe will be made for the benefit of the country or its people. we are all captive of an international criminal cabal, and nothing will change for us or them until this underlying factor changes first.
Right. So who is this pitch aimed at? Going over the heads of the bought off, blackmailed kleptocrats [Merkel, Draghi, etc.], its aimed at the people ... or at least the next tier of stakeholders who are about to see their businesses crushed by the confrontation.
If they see a way out, maybe they'll take it.
By making the offer to the EU as a whole there is an unstated, implied, offer for any individual nation to leave the EU in order to join the EAEU.
Like the Orthodox Christian Greece, to whose doorstep the new gas pipeline over Turkey will reach. The next in the line are older brothers Bulgaria, Serbia and other Balkanized ethnicities.
Putin is not blind or fool, he's well aware that EU can't take a pee without asking US. Futile it might sound to some, this is another move on the chess board, in essence opening a new front on the "big game".
History certainly rhymes...
Hungary - is onboard already.
"The greatest trick ever concieved by the Devil was convincing everyone he never existed" Kaiser Sousa
"Needs a more catchy name."
How about "Zion Free Trade Zone."
The banksters need to repay us.
It is catchy....EEU ! like yuck!
Maybe add Patriot and it could be PEEU ! (not phew !)
I'd like to see it the other way around where the ZWO is chained and forced to pull the train cars behind them.
my vote is for "Paneuropean Federation"
http://www.sjgames.com/ogre/lastwar/
One ring to rule them all, one ring to bind them.
We all know they like their bling.
Divide and Conquer Bitchez!
I can't stop laughing.
Europe to accept to be led by muzhiks in Moscow.
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This is freaking hilarious. Boy, great humor.
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Idiot troll ! Keep LOLing. That's all that you're good for...
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yes, I am an idiot
Indeed you are. We agree on something...
Nazi's pay him by the vowel and he's just a few lols shy of a loaf of bread. Let the poor man do his job. He hasn't eaten in days.
My ex-wifes new gf makes $8k in a few hours on her puter. Maybe they should talk. /s
The (ashke)Nazi(m)s came to America (in 1913, and in 'operation paperclip'). Of course, they have been everywhere else, too.
The anti-Bolsheviks WILL, of course, win in the end (but the interim is about to get brutal).
Lots of bi-lateral and tri-lateral and multi-lateral agreements have been made in the past 10 years or so. China and Russia, Russia and Iran, China and Iran, China, Russia, and Venezuela, AEPEC, BRICS, and a shitload more (including some in the so-called 'middle east'). It's like a comical replay of the agreements that were made in the hasty buildups to both of the past 'world wars'.
IF Vlad would simply do an old-fashioned 'purge', aiming it at the ashkenazim and the khazarim (in concert with every OTHER nation on earth), and END the central banking fiat currency system in HIS nation, 95% of the world's conflicts would EVAPORATE OVERNIGHT. He won't, of course.
FORGET the United States. They had their last chance with Dr. Ron Paul.
If Greece is dropped from the E.U., and the E.U. does a deal with the Russian federation; and Switzerland is a part of the E.U.; and open war ensues, will Greece become the next place where people put their stolen gold when the war rages? Probably not, I suppose. They're destined to be gutted and wholly taken over, much like Cyprus was. What was I thinking?
During the last days of the Weimar Republic, it took a wheelbarrow of LOL's to buy a loaf of bread. Think of 'LOL' as the new 'IOU'.
Have you read his views on 9/11?
For ekm1 "911" is the number of turns the neocons have taken at his ass.
I sometimes wonder if ekm1 has a bipolar personality. He can be very "spot on" and insightful, or totally off base and demented.
Perhaps it's some form of "substance abuse" or too much "self abuse" that's causing such erratic output. Can we get the smart & sensible ekm1 back?
ekm1
Russia is the future.
Sorry that you don’t want to hear it.
The problem with US is how to get Yeltsin (type) back.
Will the US be able to do it?
PS: Stop being silly. You are too good for that.
You do realize that Putin was appointed to one of three Deputy's in line and then Yeltsin gave his position to Putin, on that very same day, right?
Wut?
It was all quite legal, by Russian standards ;-)
nmewn
I didn’t know about the next day not that coming from the drunken Yeltsin would surprise me.
Anyway, what are you trying to tell us, nmewn?
I'm saying, the oligarchs got their man in place (Boris appointed him didn't he?) in Russia and they got this insipid man-child in place here in America based on a mountain of lies, deceptions and fake guilt and still, some people run around here on ZH acting as if Putin is the second coming of Christ because Obozo is the fucking anti-christ?
You fucking people need your heads examined.
They are exactly the same.
The Mouse Trap
It’s China and China’s money, nmewn.
By MEFOBILLS:
China is the pivot player, not Russia. She is in POLITICAL control of her money with her State Banks. She forgives loans, thus former credit as money becomes floating money, similar to Greenbacks issued by Lincoln.
This means that China is playing Rope-A-Dope with debt spreading Zionist banking Capitalism. China forgives debts, thus the former credit-as-money loses its debt association, and no longer must vector to debt instrument for destruction.
Western Capital and Wall Street markets have insatiable desire for wage arbitrage. These are rent gains off of Chinese labor cost differential between a developing market and developed markets. Chinese forgiving of loans make Chinese labor more efficient forever, as their economy has a better mix of money types. Also loans are targeted into channels of production enhancing her commons as well as strategic industry.
China can forgive all the debt money it wants, its the billions of idle hands that they are most concerned about, by they, I mean the Chi-Com government.
"They" want to keep those hands very busy, so those hands don't wind up around the leaderships necks.
Its an intricate web, not always confined to just whose fiat debt to reject or accept, contracts, law (international or otherwise)...sometimes leaders just understand they're just trying to run out the clock of their natural existence, so they build ghost cities, to keep those hands busy.
And they don't want it to end badly for themselves ;-)
nmewn - Yes, of course Putin was selected to replace the drunk and dying Yeltsin by the Zionist oligarchs running Russia at the time. Boris Behrezovsky was the the mafia's main man. He used to brag about putting Putin in power.
When Putin came to power, he turned on all the snakes. Behrezovsky wound up fleeing to England. From there, he announced he would organize a coup in Russia and kill Putin.
Behrezovsky is dead now. A bunch of his close associates are dead along with him. Other oligarchs were jailed and had their stolen wealth clawed-back by the state. Many fled to Israel, like the guy who stole Rusal, the world's largest aluminum producer from the rightful owners.
I think you know all this, or at least some of it, but it suits your purposes to only tell part of the story.
+1000
the Rusal cornerstone investors, Paulson and Rothschild blew my mind. I followed that story a few years ago and feel that Putin is the real deal. The Norilsk deal was also quite interesting.
Paulson is one of our most powerful American Oligarchs. It boggles common-sense how he wasn't charged with conspiracy along with GS from their obvious insider scheme to short the subprime packages that Paulson himself had bundled. This scam netted Paulson over $3.7 billion which he was able to write off as "carried interest," which was then only subject to a 15% tax rate.
Paulson uses his money to directly buy poltical influence. He gave over 1 million dollars to Romney's super-PAC. Paulson was a major contributor to Beohner's election campaign.
To my mind, arguing any US moral superiority over any other country's so-called oligarchs is the equivalent to spraying expensive perfume on individual livestock feedlot animals and then proceeding to write fawning advertising copy.
Always a cute story on how Behrezovsky thought Putin was his man.
The move to screw Boris whilst he was taking it was genius.
I see, the zionist oligarchs who selected Putin are no longer running Russia. He drove them all away with his magical flute and poison. This is your stance...lol...a real story book outcome if at all true through your freak out everything zio-lens of the world.
So, tell me about Yushchenko, why was he poisoned, he's not even Russian or joooish?
"I think you know all this, or at least some of it, but it suits your purposes to only tell part of the story."
Parts of the story are what you clowns do best, now accuse me of being Jewish or NWO or whatever suck ass guilt trip you and your kind try to lay on everyone else and I'll call you a fucking communist apologist to your goddamned face.
Oh wait, I just did.
Again nmewn, you attempt to mislead by ommission. Very zino-like of you. You are right. Yushchenko is not Russian, not Jewish. He's a former president of Ukraine and a real nasty piece of work with lots of enemies. He put the Russian hating Timeshenko in jail and threw away the key.
So, please tell us what former president of Ukraine, Yushchenko has to do with our discussion of the destruction of Russia by Russian, Zionist oligarchs and the subsequent saving, redemption of Russia by Putin. Thanks.
You just want to throw around any garbage you or yourcube mates can dream up and see if it sticks. Not an honest or helpful approach is it?
"So, please tell us what former president of Ukraine, Yushchenko has to do with our discussion of the destruction of Russia by Russian, Zionist oligarchs and the subsequent saving, redemption of Russia by Putin. Thanks."
My point (obviously) was YOU SAID "Behrezovsky is dead now."...alluding to that perhaps Putin had something to do with his death IN ENGLAND. Making him what, an international murderer?
And then you followed that up with "A bunch of his close associates are dead along with him."
Is contextual text hard for you to follow or do you make this shit up as you go along?
And agian you try your outmoded paranoid KGB skullduggery tactic, "yourcube mates"...lol...I'm sitting on my fucking patio next to my wife. You should really lay off the old movie scripts and I'm starting to wonder if its you thats sitting in a cubicle somewhere by you even saying something so inane & preposterous.
Is that what you really think?...come on baby...gimme sumpin...
# "I'm sitting on my fucking patio next to my wife."
So you're saying they let you work from home. Great. Good for you.
About your fucking patio, a word of advice. Maybe you ought to take it inside. What are the neighbors gonna say?
Who is "they"? And I have no neighbors within 1500ft of my patio and you just implied Putin (or his henchmen) killed how many in cold blood?
You better start looking over your shoulder big boy, the big bad bear is gonna get you...lol.
There is an arrest warrant for Soros there too.
forgive away---the elephant in the room is shadow banking ----it's out of control-- (ie: no one controls it)
You can't wait to vote for Jeb Bush.
You're a fucking dumbass, you haven't heard a word I've said.
I repeat...because you are in fact a fucking dumbass...there is ZERO...meaning metaphysical certitude...no difference between Jeb and Hitlary in what we're talking about.
None.
Would you like to try again?
".there is ZERO...meaning metaphysical certitude...no difference between Jeb and Hitlary in what we're talking about.
None. "
THIS cannot be repeated often or loudly enough.
No it can't.
Hey! Did you know I'm sitting in a cubicle right next to you talking to you over the internet?
LMAO!
And when he's on the ticket against her you'll still vote for him.
Cuz that's what you do. Vote for the (R). Am I right?
nmewn, not quite.
Putin did what you would have done in his position, if you had had the talent, sense of purpose and education. Russia was led by the mafia. If you valued your life, you played by their rules. He was also a KGB agent, and if there is something you learn there, it is how to seduce and lull. He lulled the bastards in charge with his mr nobody looks and behavior and then, once in place, showed himself for what he truly is, a patriot and an excellent leader - probably the best we have on earth at the moment.
It had been done before. King Juan Carlos had done exactly that in Spain under Franco -made himself pass for a moron to protect his life, and once he took power, turned out to be an entirely different person, and a good king whose fist decision was to stop the fascism and liberalize his country, to the enormous suprise of the population and the army that had ruled so far...
Being a survivor in that sense does not bestow greatness or leadership qualities on anyone.
It only implies his malleability.
Now, if he would have shot Brezhnev in the head, riding shirtless on horseback, while bending down to pet a tiger with a large fish in his mouth, now that would have been different ;-)
nmewn, very intesting view. consider the dalai lama was the only person mao would see without security...the dalai lama knowing what the great 13th knew knew what mao intended and the impact he would have tibet not to mention the world and that if he took him out...there was reportedly a gun on the table mao was so certain the dalai lama would act according to script...that history would be totally altered (china @ that time was in utter turmoil and the war lords and foreign powers would've ensured that china descended into chaos) but he did not harm mao. what you are suggesting is one of those moments when history is forever altered. i cannot fault the dalai lama although it would've been better for tibet certainly and possibly china if he had.
It is what I'm suggesting about leadership in the world of men & nations, not in the leadership of spirituality.
I can see no great quality of courage shown or discovered in (Mao, in this case) already knowing for the Dalai Lama to transcend (or descend, however you want to look at it) into the world of men & nations would in fact break him of everything he is and all the faith put into him.
That little game of cat & mouse works pretty well with the truly devout with pacifist leanings
Odd he didn't try it with a Christian like me, who is not a pacifist and never claimed to be ;-)
Putin is neck deep in Russian crime via the (is not defuncted) KGB world operations-- he didn't get his billions from being a nice guy--take that to the bank.
How do you know that Putin has billions. Did CNBC tell you that?
"Russia is the future."
I doubt it. They'll always be #2 on the world stage. They are flooded with Islamists and Europe keeps adding to that pot. China is a fair weather friend that has long had an eye on the North for expansion. The USSA is a filthy shirt for now but any country that thinks China won't fuck them twice as hard needs to reconsider their line of reasoning.
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By MEFOBILLS:
NeoCon Wolfowitz doctrine is to prevent Eurasia from forming, and that means turning Russia into a satellite of the West and extracting all of her EARTH. Russia is even more dangerous to western Capital Banking elites now that she found Oil in the Artic and is creating BRIC system with separate (non BIS) settlement procedures.
Russia's future productivity includes massive amounts of minerals and oil in the Artic, and they have a large land mass that can sustain agriculture with inputs of fertilizer and water.
With their own money system e.g. the BRICS, Russia can vector their labor energy into productivity. They have everything they need as a continental country. Technology can be bought, or Russia can send their students to U.S. schools to learn it/steal it.
I just found a paid Russian gov shill.
Thank you for demonstrating
We All Born Ignorant But Stupidity Is Inflicted.
I highly recommend the movie below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Ac7ap_MAY
If you want to understand how “Free-Market” capitalism is destroyed, this is it.
Essentially, Japan stayed on a wartime footing after the war, and directed credit into production of "peacetime goods." They used a CREDIT WINDOW to control VOLUME of credit money in supply.
The PATH of this money benefited the people as it was into production. Japan did very well under this system, rising to become the world’s second largest economy and with a very high standard of living.
The Bank of Japan wanted to break this system, probably under orders from international banksters via BIS. The immense bubble pushed by BOJ made Japan worth more than the continental U.S.
Credit money was created against Land and Property, typical of this money type. BOJ became a credit pusher, giving any warm body a loan. This pushes land asset classes relative to other classes.
The U.S, did the same during its housing bubble as FIRE sector (private bank credit) is always associated with land and insurance.
BOJ purposefully popped the bubble once it was inflated enough, in order to reap the harvest. Debt instruments, with inflated values, remained in place, but former credit as money was being recalled to ledger for destruction, thus collapsing money supply into depression.
This harvest was necessary to create a crises, which then allowed BOJ to become "INDEPENDENT" which is really CODE FOR being like other western central banks under the BIS. Structural Reform was the "code words" used during the crises in order to get the legal changes desired by BOJ.
Watch the movie.
Mefobills
Escrava - kudos to you. You are evolving in a good way. Congrats. Thanks for the MEFOBILLS content. Its right on target. Happy New Year.
Thanks.
Actually, I am doing this (connecting the dots) for me. Sharing is the fun part.
Wonder Why?
"When you're born you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front row seat" — George Carlin
It was an informative film. (Curiously, surfing, I stumbled upon it just last week. Perhaps we watch similar videos on YouTube and both had that as a "recommended".)
Can you draw the parallels with what is currently unfolding in the overheated and inflate Chinese Markets?
It is a model which the oligarchs use repeatedly, Escrava.
Back in the 1920s the USA was the target Nation.
Post war it was Japan. They overcooked in the 1980s.
Wonder which one is next?
Myanamar.
Keep connecting those damned dots. They may appear random at times but there is an underlying picture.
Tom,
I am connecting the dots my way and the fraud committed is beyond words.
I am totally surprised how easy was for the bankers to foul the Japanese people and the Japanese entrepreneurs.
I see no hope for us, Americans.
I think at the next meltdown Americans will come after the US government, triggering civil war that will lead to WW.
And that’s their (elite’s) plan.
Thanks for the link. Japanese WII history was never on my plate.
But do you really think that the annoucement of a Euraesian partnership of Armenia, Kazakhastans etc. with a invitation of EU to join in is just a symbolic act, then you are left with missing the grand picture.
This not going to fly. US is not going to to lose their grip on Europe without a fight and at the moment there is no alternative for Europe as to stick with their supressors.
Great documentary - thanks for sharing.
Pie in the sky Escrava-- the big thing Russia has going for it is it's propensity for central planing--just never got away from it which was it's down fall --and of course it's still fighting (and losing) the coldwar---
Did they? Lose?
I think the war never ended. Wars never end, ever.
"The USSA is a filthy shirt for now but any country that thinks China won't fuck them twice as hard needs to reconsider their line of reasoning."
And you get your ideas from...? A deep knowledge of history, certainly not. America is imperialistic, whereas China, throughout the entirety of its millenia-long history, has been isolationist, very keen on trade but never on war. China is a TRADING country and always has been. As such, it is allergic to conflicts.
The only rule is, never try to swindle a Chinese and you'll have nothing to fear from him.
What is the temperature in Moscow right now?
Working night shifts?
Since your'e about half-a-sarah-palin away from Russia, you should be able to see Moscow right through your window. As for the outdoor temperature, it's same as what you have indoors right now with the gas turned off.