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Russia's "Startling" Proposal To Europe: Dump The US, Join The Eurasian Economic Union
Slowly but surely Europe is figuring out that as a result of the western economic and financial blockade of Russian, it is Europe itself that is suffering the most. And while Germany was first to acknowledge this late in 2014 when its economy swooned and is now on the verge of a recession, now others are catching on. Case in point: the former head of the European Commission, and Italy’s former Prime Minister, Romano Prodi who told Messaggero newspaper that the "weaker Russian economy is extremely unprofitable for Italy."
The other details from Prodi's statement:
Lowered prices in the international energy markets have positive aspects for the Italian consumers, who pay less for the fuel, but the effect will be only short-term. In the long-term however the weaker economic situation in countries producing energy resources, caused by lower oil and gas prices, mostly in Russia, is extremely unprofitable for Italy, he said.
“The lowering of the oil and gas prices in combination with the sanctions, pushed by the Ukrainian crisis, will drop the Russian GPD by five percent per annum, and thus it will cause cutting of the Italian export by about 50%,” Prodi said.
“Setting aside the uselessness or imminence of the sanctions, one should highlight a clear skew: regardless of the rouble rate against dollar, which is lower by almost a half, the American export to Russia is growing, while the export from Europe is shrinking.”
In other words, just as slowly, the world is starting to grasp the bottom line: it is not the financial exposure to Russia, or the threat of financial contagion should Russia suffer a major recession or worse: it is something far simpler that will lead to the biggest harm for Europe's countries. The lack of trade. Because while central banks can monetize everything, leading to an unprecedented asset bubble which if only for the time being boosts investor and consumer confidence, they can't print trade - that all important driver of growth in a globalized world long before central banks were set to monetize over $1 trillion in bonds each and every year to mask the fact that the world is deep in a global depression.
Which is why we read the following report written in yesterday's Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten with great interest because it goes right to the bottom line. In it Russia has a not so modest proposal to Europe: dump trade with the US, whose call for Russian "costs" has cost you another year of declining economic growth, and instead join the Eurasian Economic Union! From the source:
Russia has presented a startling proposal to overcome the tensions with the EU: The EU should renounce the free trade agreement with the United States TTIP and enter into a partnership with the newly established Eurasian Economic Union instead. A free trade zone with the neighbors would make more sense than a deal with the US.
It surely would, but then how will Europe feign outrage when the NSA is found to have spied yet again on its "closest trading partners?" Some more on Russia's proposal from EUobserver:
Vladimir Chizhov told EUobserver: “Our idea is to start official contacts between the EU and the EAEU as soon as possible. [German] chancellor Angela Merkel talked about this not long ago. The EU sanctions [on Russia] are not a hindrance”.
“I think that common sense advises us to explore the possibility of establishing a common economic space in the Eurasian region, including the focus countries of the Eastern Partnership [an EU policy on closer ties with Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine]".
"We might think of a free trade zone encompassing all of the interested parties in Eurasia”.
He described the new Russia-led bloc as a better partner for the EU than the US, with a dig at health standards in the US food industry.
“Do you believe it is wise to spend so much political energy on a free trade zone with the USA while you have more natural partners at your side, closer to home? We don’t even chlorinate our chickens”, the ambassador said.
The treaty establishing the Eurasian Union entered into life on Thursday (1 January).
It includes Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia, with Kyrgyzstan to join in May.
Modelled on the EU, it has a Moscow-based executive body, the Eurasian Economic Commission, and a political body, the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council, where member states’ leaders take decisions by unanimity.
It has free movement of workers and a single market for construction, retail, and tourism. Over the next 10 years, it aims to create a court in Minsk, a financial regulator in Astana and, possibly, to open Eurasian Economic Commission offices in Astana, Bishkek, Minsk, and Yerevan.
It also aims to launch free movement of capital, goods, and services, and to extend its single market to 40 other sectors, with pharmaceuticals next in line in 2016.
And as a reminder: The Eurasian Economic Union, a trade bloc of former Soviet states, expanded to four nations Friday when Armenia formally joined, a day after the union between Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan began.
So the ball is in your court, Europe: will it be a triple-dip (and soon thereafter quadruple: see Japan) recession as your Goldman-controlled central bank plunders ever more of what little is left of middle-class wealth with promises that this year - for real - is when it all turns around, or will Europe acknowledge it has had enough and shifts its strategic, and trade, focus from west (speaking of the TTIP, Germany's agriculture minister just said "We can't protect every sausage" referring to the TTIP) to east?
Considering just whose interests are represented by the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels, we won't be holding our breath.
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The freight will not be near fast as lightweight passenger trains.
But far quicker than present.
Right; that's my point: they should build a line suitable for freight; they can buy a few jets for passenger traffic and still spend less than building a high-speed line.
Building a high-speed line to transport heavy freight is a bad idea for two reasons. First, a shit-ton of cash would be pissed away creating track geometry (curve radii, grade changes, eliminating grade crossings) needed for high-speed rail equipment.
Second, track designed for high-speed rail equipment would be trashed by heavy-freight traffic. Case in point: AMTRAK's northeast corridor.
Dear Geek - "they should build a line suitable for freight;"
Obviously, that already exists. The Russians have had spur off of the Trans-Siberian Railroad, going into Manchuria since about 1907.
Fact is the USA does not play the great game very well. Maybe if the Harvard Mafia spent less time flipping houses and networking at cocktail parties they'd get a clue that global governance does not necesarily include them in the top positions. Russia and China are the new global hegemons for the next 200 years. They have 'homefield advantage'. India will join them shortly and the EU would be wise to look east for growth and prosperity.
Nice summary of the way it is.
Maybe Putin will offer 1 ounce of Gold with every $100,000 worth trade with Germany.
That will get Germany it's Gold faster than from the FED.
You can't replace nothing.....if it doesnt exist. <triple negative>
And why wouldn't they?...
Unfortunately for Russia they should have done this long before the train station bombings in Volgagrad and the ExxonMobil/Chevron instituted coup in Ukraine!
I think they had to get the rest of their Eurasian ducks in a row first.
A second consequence for the US deep state would be the loss of Europe in the new Cold War. Except from Britons, who have traditional deep ties and common interests with the US, the rest of Europe could slip to the Sino-Russian bloc which grows rapidly in the military and economic field and increasingly gaining independence from the Western economic system, attracting other countries too.
So long papyrus pirates, your bad for business.
My best programmers are Russian. My best chippers are Russian. My best interpreters (hackers) are Russian.
Capability is based on hunger. Fat US is dead last.
what about the natashas?
They fall behind the speakers.
I hope they contango well !
Simple delta to you too. Remember, hands up and steady. Tips for Metro riders.
TopCoder Rankings:
http://community.topcoder.com/tc?module=AlgoRank
Russians normally 20 to 30 of top 50
more Chine recently
recent was more Poles than Mericans
I agree but there still are a few very good American programmers but not that many anymore.
One very important thing to keep in mind is most weapons systems now are software based. The USA's piece of shit F-35 is still having endless software problems like Obamacare.gov. Probably written by the same Canadian company using Indian programmers.
Those Russia S300/400/500 missile systems and other Russian gear is being written by some of the best programmers in the world.
Something to think about if your kid decides they want to be all that they can be in the NWO-Soros USSA-Obama banksters army, navvy or air farce.
Let's hope the American people come to understand that their government is occupied by corporate/banking/MIC/Israeli special interests before any shooting starts.
I'm European. Of course, the America-bribed EU retards are going to reject the offer.
I'm going to find a good place to hang myself, and I come back.
I'm not going to give up, just like other millions folks in Europe. Friends of my grand parents had had been fighting against nazi germans released by banksters' pigs in GB and US 70 years ago, talking now about hanging yourself is ridicilous!
Actually, that offer will resonate heavily in economic circles of the EU.
That trade block would have a lot of positive impacts ranging from low cost raw materials and commodities, shorter transport distances to manufacturing centers and lots of population between the Ural mountains and the Atlantic ocean.
Yes, but understand, this new market runs past the Urals, all the way to Beijing, Shanghai and Singapore.
Russia should start with, soon to be thrown out of the EU, Greece
Same church, different Archbishop.
or Eastern Ukraine.
Invite Donbass into the EEU, so they can self-actualize their arrangements.
EEUrangatang Putin. (now he reminds me of a small Lurch in Addams Family)
As a UK citizen I would welcome this - at least in principle. The TTIP swindle is a charter for US corporations to further screw with our way of life, basically a charter that says they can help themselves to our national assets. Corporate and financial Amerika is a psychopathology that has infected entire swathes of civilization; truth to tell, the Amerikan dream has been purchased at the price of nightmare for the poor of this world, including many Amerikans. Fortunately it looks as though 2015 is going to bring some corrections to the global Ponzi swindle, but this offer from the Rus comes as a complete surprise. As the UK premier Harold Macmillan replied to someone who asked him what the most diffiocult aspect of his premiership had been, he replied 'Events dear boy, events.' This is something some of the headbangers posting on here need to reflect on: stuff like the Berlin Wall coming down came out of left field, events in Crimea recently likewise. I've met some great Americans in Europe, Asia and elsewhere, but then they had travelled and knew there were other ways of doing business. Europe hasn't always had problems with Russia and now that most of the aberrations of Communism have largely disappeared, if they can clean uop their act corruption-wise, I can see that it would benefit both parties if we in Europe became part of this Eurasian Union; geopolitically and logistically it makes more sense. However the people running things over here are in bed with the invisible hand gang who run the US and much else. I've no doubt that the Blair's and Camerons of this world have already been allocated their places in the bunker for when it all goes tits up and Amerika throws it's last toys out of the perambulator.
"Europe hasn't always had problems with Russia and now that most of the aberrations of Communism have largely disappeared, if they can clean uop their act corruption-wise, I can see that it would benefit both parties if we in Europe became part of this Eurasian Union;"
Yeap. The trouble is, how are we, in Europe, going to clean up our act corruption-wise?
The Bolsheviks were not Russians. They came from New York, and parts of Europe like Germany. They were not Christian but they killed 20 million Russian Christians.
These Bolsheviks today (related by blood to the originals) controil the USSA, EUSSR, Oz, NZ and Canada.
We saw how vile they were in Australia with the disgusting attacks by Harper, Abbott, Cameron (who's family has financed wars aka mass murder for the Red Shield for 200 years). They were so pathetic and disgusting in their attacks on Putin.
The problem is that Europe is now divided into two different categories of countries. A majority of them - a colony of the United States. Other European countries - is vassals of the United States .
As a UK citizen I would welcome this - at least in principle. The TTIP swindle is a charter for US corporations to further screw with our way of life, basically a charter that says they can help themselves to our national assets. Corporate and financial Amerika is a psychopathology that has infected entire swathes of civilization; truth to tell, the Amerikan dream has been purchased at the price of nightmare for the poor of this world, including many Amerikans. Fortunately it looks as though 2015 is going to bring some corrections to the global Ponzi swindle, but this offer from the Rus comes as a complete surprise. As the UK premier Harold Macmillan replied to someone who asked him what the most diffiocult aspect of his premiership had been, he replied 'Events dear boy, events.' This is something some of the headbangers posting on here need to reflect on: stuff like the Berlin Wall coming down came out of left field, events in Crimea recently likewise. I've met some great Americans in Europe, Asia and elsewhere, but then they had travelled and knew there were other ways of doing business. Europe hasn't always had problems with Russia and now that most of the aberrations of Communism have largely disappeared, if they can clean uop their act corruption-wise, I can see that it would benefit both parties if we in Europe became part of this Eurasian Union; geopolitically and logistically it makes more sense. However the people running things over here are in bed with the invisible hand gang who run the US and much else. I've no doubt that the Blair's and Camerons of this world have already been allocated their places in the bunker for when it all goes tits up and Amerika throws it's last toys out of the perambulator.
Nicely put. Yes, it makes every sort of sense.
I liked the language the Chinese Premier used in his address to the Australian Parliament in November (and in several other speeches in days either side) namely that we will either all win together, or we are all chosing to lose together (paraphrased).
He's indisputably right, and signaled that this is what he wants China to do, which is an opportunity that must not be missed, and taken as far as it will (safely) go, so wars and mutual damage we fear could arise become a remote possibility.
The exact same obviously applies in this situation and it is up to Moscow to make that happen (and they seem to finally want to), and I'm sure they will find Europe is receptive and willing to have both sides win, because the alternative for Europe is to lose all too.
[The incidental question is will Washington ever see its existence in those more rational terms, or are going to pursue policies of pointless dangerous cold war again?]
I'm not right about much, but I called this one some months back. Not that startling, really. Wouldn't be surprised to see a Russian energy squeeze to get the ball rolling. Preferable to all out war, but doesn't really solve the criminal predator problem.
Yes you did and no it doesn't.
Hilarious thing happening in France right now. Some time ago they were contracted by Russia to build 4 Mistral ships. 2 of them were finished, but never delivered following US intervention. Construction then halted entirely. Now Russia demands the money back plus a multi-billion dollar penalty, which, with the fallen Ruble will allow Russia to build 8 identical vessels in their own shipyards. Not only that, but India, who was just about to order 126 Dassault Rafale jets, turned right around and cancelled the deal until Russian matter is resolved. What if they pay for the planes and they don't show up either like the ships? They're having second thoughts about doing business with the EU.
They're saying they'll be buying Russian Sukhoi-30 jets instead. Combined both deals will cost French labor unions over $30 billion dollars and it'll also cost many politicians their seats.
Depreciated Ruble is accelerating the export of Russian weaponry into neighboring regions and you'll never guess who else just turned down US in favor of Russian-made tanks and helicopters. Effing Saudi Arabia! You read that right. Saudi Arabia!
If we can't sell weapons to Eurasia like we used to, we're in some serious shit.
Just more substandard garbge to shoot out of the sky in a pinch.
You are deluded. How did all that special Zato help work out in Georgia not too long ago? I know, I know, the mouse against the Bear. But how deluded was the mouse, just like you, to even think about taking on the Bear?
Like the F-35 which seems to have difficulty getting up into the sky.
Someone forgot the 2nd engine. But they needed it light to allow for hover. There is no replacement for thrust and redundancy in air domination.
substandard garbage?
Sure, if your knowledge of fighter jets is derived from Hollywood movies, and stuff you hear from a guy who's brother used to be a pilot.
del
"Costs."
I believe in addition GE was buying out Alstom, who got hit by the DOJ with a quarter billion dollar fine for bribery. One of their managers Man Choi or something was killed on that AirAsia crash. Its no no small player having substantial railway projects, dams and wind turbines, nuclear retooling that services some of the Russian plants, very impressive stuff .
Someone interested in grabbing a piece of the Silk Road would have a real stake in a profitable future. I am surprised France allowed it, even with conditions. Then looking at Mistral and the horses head on Hollands matress, did they have a choice?
France fought tooth and nail to win the Rafale deal too. It was one of the biggest contracts in the past decade.
Good for India standing up for Russia.
Sorry about the duplicate posting.
+ 1 For the perambulator reference.
Ditto.:.
So it's not the U.S.S.R. it's the Eurasian Union. Got it.
It is a simple political move - we offered - you declined - check
Second most people are too stupid to understand that you can't be free from banksters cabal if you think as a slave.
Europe dont want to trade its means - that we should build our plants and redirect resources from Europe to our plants.
Since when is there free trade between US and EU?
Value added tax.
"Considering just whose interests are represented by the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels, we won't be holding our breath."
It's a minor thing, nevertheless the meme of the "unelected bureacrats in Brussels" is an unnecessary bit of contestable propaganda
The EU Parliament is elected. The even more critical EU Council it's nothing else then the governments of the member countries, appointed and recallable by the elected Parliaments
It's old, unupdated, contestable propaganda that diminuishes the impact of such an article on whoever knows a bit the current setup
The rot, in Brussels, comes from part of the resident lobbyist's myriads. As elsewhere, too
Ah Ghordius - often correct on technicalities and typically misleading on realities. Think the average European is better represented now? Come on. Look how the wonderful Codex that blocks any sort of nutritional product innovation in the whole of Europe, putting decisions in the hands of some (likely paid off) committees. Watch the push for various forms of centralization. Are they really helpful to the average person? Please. Are you so naive?
yes, I favour the block on any sort of "nutritional product innovation" myself. are you so naive?
Come on Gordi, has Costa vs ENEL been overturned in the "European Court"? Which is weird jurisdictional leverage to begin with, if they are (Germany, France etal) really independent nation states.
Surely you see the boxed-in conundrum (of a matter of law) that creates.
International law is a Potemkin palace.
Germany under Merkel - an independent state?! Is that a new anecdote?
jeezus, man - don't you live in Europe?
First to join should be Greece.
"First to join should be Greece."
... and Serbia, Hungary, Cyprus and Turkey.
Russia say: Hah! You guys want a One World Government, I can give you that right now!
Now let's see how confident the EU is in it's grand designs.
HAH!
grand designs? Like Ukraine? Did you listen to Vicky Nuland?
Why does a subset of ZH constantly point to Europe with Grand Designs of One World Government?
Vicky Nuland- or rather Vichy Nuland
Look!
Its a EEUrang !
Never saw it coming back.
And Putin is a EEUrang-a-tang.
Yes, we are at war with Eastasia... we have always been at war with Eastasia....
The Dual failures Japan and the US.
Mercantilist musings.
If your concern about a tanking Russia is that you won't have a market to export to, you might be a mercantilist.
What should be concerning is that you lose a trading partner to import energy from. Your remaining energy importers see this and screw you.
Your country's exporters could just sell domestically, trade with someone else, or redeploy resources. But at least they're in your country. It's not a total loss. At least not a total loss when you measure things besides using the ridiculous GDP stat.
"What should be concerning is that you lose a trading partner to import energy from. Your remaining energy importers see this and screw you."
In a world of falling prices and over production? It's a buyers market. After the last fall to $31 it took years to get above $100 again. They can not afford to disenfranchise a buyer and await that long for a revenue revival. Shutting production is not an option for the big players, it's the bread, butter and the cream.
For that matter the same applies to the increasingly desperate and soon to be broke Russian economy. People need to eat, or they start getting grumpy. Russia can see that coming so has to act, they considered the pickle over the Christmas period and are now getting out the blocks as early as possible to head it off.
i.e. Europe has the upper hand in those respects and it will strengthen some more (relatively). So let's hope Merkel and others have some wisdom to maximize the mutual upsides, not make it worse further down the road.
Do you think that Russia can not provide themselves with food? You are very naive and very soon you will see for yourself. Right now, Russia is building mega farms and mega barns.
It's not advertised, Putin likes to make for his friends unexpected and big gifts. LOL
If Putin was in a position of strength and security the Kremlin would not be proposing radical reforms to restructure Russia's policy, behavior and practices in order to make up with Europe and get his markets, economy, finances and currency back.
QED
PS: Anyone with a fragment of clue about business would have known that saying "it's the bread, butter and the cream", refers to income stream, not to food supply, dimwit. Is their a more worthless ignorant comment section pest than you in zh these days? It seems improbably, though your fellow traveller 'conscious being' seems to want the title back.
You have serious problems with the logic.
If Putin was in a position of weakness and dangers the Kremlin would not be proposing radical reforms to restructure Russia's policy, behavior and practices in order to make up with Europe and get his markets, economy, finances and currency back.
His logic is so-so.
His main problem is arrogance.
It's a great idea. See for ten years how this Russian emulation of the EU and democratic development in Russia work out and if it's looking good you can start talking. They'll get this thing up and running in twenty years. Until then US hopefully contains China with its Asian allies so Russia is not too weak and dependent on the dragon.
US contains China with its Asian allies" please - Vietnam, Malayasia, Indonesia, Japan, Phillipines, etc ... you have got to be kidding
these guys will scatter especiallly VN / Thai / Laos / Malayasia to the four winds once China flexes - the dams on the Mekong are all Chinese built and owned just for starters
Australia is a converted coal station as John McCann would say with an iron ore mine with output going to one ....place and it isnt the USA!
The five eyes can only see thru the one eyed Cyclops until the end game - they have no way out
Dear Omen - agreed. Just want to point out, Malaysia is definitely not on team Zino. Thanks.
Did the U.S. just lose WW1 and WW2 as well.
It all depends on which textbook you read...
Trust your dreams!
IMHO, the fucking saddest part of all of this is that the United States and Russia have so very much in common and should be the very best of allies and friends.
These two nations have aboundant resources, a mutual moral basis based in Christianity, and histories of overcoming internal and external strife with resolve and bravery. WW2 was won as much by the USSR/Russia as America. Both are struggling with the evils of socialism and the emerging police state. Both have so much to offer the other...
Am I really the only one that sees America and Russia as wrongly embittered brothers foolishly harming themselves and each other over stale and inconsistent ideological strategies of division vilely construed by their greedy embedded little oligarchies?
Here at ZH, it seems that many are savvy to some of the machinations of the NWO, but hardly any recognize how widespread the WO wannabees are. Even the leaders of Iran want the Persian empire back. People in power are rarely ever there for altruistic reasons. They are there for power. And what does power ALWAYS want? More power.
A hunter-gatherer tribe of 100 people was at a disadvantage to one of 150 people which was at a disadvantage to a settlement of 500 which was at a disadvantage to a city of 2,000 which was at a disadvantage to a city-state of 10,000, etc.
The ruler's success often depended on the number ruled which would reproductively select for rulers who strove for more subjects. That impetus is still happening today: the drive for world government.
Wasn't it Genghis Khan that had a shit load of offspring?
What you fail to see, is that power brokers know it would be rational to co-operate, but that would not help build their power base - it would only help the people. Concurrently the US is pushing a pointless conflic in Europe over Ukraine, which will benefit no-one other than to keep Europe tightly into the dollar system.
Most US politicians are now Zionist clowns - International Mafia basically. These same clowns are pushing mass-imigration and race war in the US; the country could easily fragment.
@Throxx - Unfortunately, we're where Russia was 100 years ago... our own Bolshevik take-over. And again, unfortunately, most Americans don't understand who the Bolsheviks were.
dup
It is the SAME people or their Bolshevik offspring. the New York City vermin and German banksters who went to Russia in 1917 and mass murdered 25 million Christian Russians.
PUtin eventually pushed out a lot of them. They run the USSA, EUSSR, UK, Australia, Canada and NZ. John Key in NZ is even tribe like Cameron.
https://archive.org/details/UnderTheSignOfTheScorpion
uh, no....
that kinda starry eye wishy idea, but too late...
US history experience is kid stuff compared to Russia centuries
only select Mericans grasp the overturn happening in real...
see what sprintjump answered you below..
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The Russian imperial navy kept the British and French [bankers] out of the US - north and south - during the civil war. That, of course, enraged the usual suspects.
Russians (Soviet Navy) sailors was first to assist USS Liberty....
upon their coming near, the aggressors ended attack
Bing..ding...a ling...ding...ding!!!
We have a winner here, folks!
HUGE high fives to you good one(ThroxxOfVron), for this brilliant light!
Thank you.
All hands on board take note:
“Am I really the only one that sees America and Russia as wrongly embittered brothers foolishly harming themselves and each other over stale and inconsistent ideological strategies of division vilely construed by their greedy embedded little oligarchies?”
Expound on that to add the world-wide brotherhood thingy, and ask the same thing.
Yes, this question was asked of Boris some time before the promoted conflicts way back when he had time to regularly post for fun, and the question posed to him was something like, why can't the good people of Russia band together as the family of good people they all are, east meets west to go north and kick the banksters and all the greedy evil money changers off the planet, so the world can get along fine without them?
He never answered back, but if you are out here still you good heart you, please answer that. Brat Boris, oye!
Grace feeds the wheel of good fortune.
The problem is that America does not need the partner countries and the countries of the Allies. America needs in the countries - colony and the country's - vassals, only.
Once all the free nations of the world will be a US colony, the need for a country-vassals no longer. After that, the United States will begin to destroy their vassals and make these countries their new and next colony.
Watched the entire series on AHC (American Heros Channel/) last night, entitled "Nazis, the Evolution of Evil". Interesting how Hitler used this same warning (Russia now calling on Europe to abandon the US for financing) to the Germans in the late 20s when the fortunes of the Nazi party were faltering because of the new found German prosperity in the roaring twenties (after the Weimar Hyperinflation fiasco in 1923. )
He warned that Germany was relying on western (US) loans for its false prosperity. Sure enough, according to this TV documenatry, when the October 23 1929 US stock market crashed, it sucked Germany down with it as the loans were called, and Hitler looked like a genius for predicting it, and the subsequent depression revived Hitler's party.
Zionists broke the 1930's embargo designed to topple Hitler. Google 51 documents. Some Jews recognize and of course resent that they were used as cannon fodder for the Zinos.
https://archive.org/details/JewishDominationOfWeimarGermany1919-1932
"he who controls the World Island, controls the world", bitches!
The term *nobrainer* comes to mind.
"Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan" and why North Korea is not invited? ;)
Well, if Russia stopped Ukraine occupation project, back up to it's borders and left Crimea alone. Than EU could back down sanctions and talk to Russia. Till that time comes... it's crashing RUB and that very funny union they have created where:
For starters, the US should dismantle its 900 bases and ammo dumps around the world.
The US has been the aggressor for 50 odd years.
re: why North Korea is not invited?
actually both China and Russia are trying really hard to get North Korea to give up nuclear weapons in exchange for protection from both Russia and China, such a move would lead to the demilitarization of the entire Korean peninsular and the expelling of US forces from South Korea, which would be a brilliant geopolitical move
Then get South Korea in. Wow.
Russia thinks better to get countries together than blow them aparts
Between Kiev and the militias of New Russia, regularly made exchanges of prisoners.
Why Kyiv has no between all these prisoners, Russian soldiers? Because Russian do not surrender?
Or because you're lying about participation in this war the Russian army?
NovoRussia treats the Ukrainain conscripts they capture ebetter than the Ukrainian army treats their own soldiers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qJU0pL-WoE
DPR PM Zakarchenko releasing Ukie prisoners and telling them they are welcome but to not come back to fight against DPR again.
Compare this to the banksters US Civil War where Americans treated each other with horriffc barbarity including that southern prisoner of war camp.
I know you're a troll, but until you summoned Lukashenko, twice, to bolster your position, I did not realize that you are actually a retarded person.
And Crimea voted to rejoin Russia rather than be subject to the CIA-backed junta regime of street Nazis, and dual citizen bankers and billionaires.
This is a great example of the lies and propaganda made in USA !
1. Kazakhstan stopped electricity supply to Russia due to ruble? Yes or no? No.
2. Russia banned products of nine Belarusian meat-packing companies? Yes or no? No.
3. Lukashenko called Putin's policy "silly and brainless"? Yes or no? No. Because Lukashenko in his speech did not even utter the name "Putin"!
4. Belarus have trade with Russia be in dollars, euros? Yes or no? No.
My friend, you must understand: Lies and propaganda, not fill the bellies of the unemployed in the US and Europe.
But I am very grateful to you for your great example of this western lies and propaganda. ))
1. Kazakhstan stopped electricity supply to Russia due to ruble? Yes or no? YES
Read it:
Kazakhstan stopped feeding the Russian electricity grids it was serving as of 24 Nov 2014. The reason is the devaluation the Russian ruble, Novosti-Kazakhstan news agency reports. According to Almasadam Satkaliyev, chairman of the board of directors of the Samruk-Energo Joint Stock Company, the electricity supply was stopped “because of the devaluation. It became unprofitable for our [power] stations. The loss of this market is a serious matter.”
http://enews.fergananews.com/news.php?id=2883
2. Russia banned products of nine Belarusian meat-packing companies? Yes or no? YES
Even Russia admits there was a ban. Now they lifted it - but it doesn't matter. It shows how solidary is this union.
http://itar-tass.com/en/economy/765197
3. Lukashenko called Putin's policy "silly and brainless"? Yes or no? YES
Are you telling me and everyone else that Russia adopted meat ban to Belarus without consulting Putin? Try harder!
4. Belarus have trade with Russia be in dollars, euros? Yes or no? YES
http://youtu.be/uvt6xs8T53k
This show again that ruskie trolls act like this a donkey:
http://youtu.be/3yX_1gJ_51M
Thank you for your next attempt to lie! You are once again giving me the opportunity to dunk you in the shit of your lies!
And So:
1. Right now, Kazakhstan continues to supply electricity to Russia? Yes or no? YES!
2. "Even Russia admits there was (LOL) a ban." So, Now Belarus continues to export its products to Russia in national currencies? Yes or no? YES!
3. Lukashenko called Putin's policy "silly and brainless"? Yes or no? I'm not asking about your personal beliefs and logical reasoning about Putin and his role in this prohibition. I ask you only one thing: Lukashenko called Putin's policy "silly and brainless"? NO! That is, you're lying again - WH troll!
4. Belarus have trade with Russia be in dollars, euros? Yes or no? NO! Even in your outdated link says, that Belarus was only "demands" of the Russian payment in dollars and euros. I also "demands" of you to admit, that you're is a lying donkey! This means that you are a lying donkey? Yes or no? LOL
This show again that WH trolls act like this a lying donkey:
http://youtu.be/uvt6xs8T53k
2. Russia stopped the meat packing products because it was a scam to export sanctioned EU meat (mainly pork) into Russia via the Belarus back door.
better careful what you say, little tater..
not bear false witness..
Luka might take offense
well stated...
It really comes down to this....
How much is Russia willing to bribe the bankers/ceos and politicians of the major Euro-esk/UN nations in europe to dump the dollar?
The people in the determining positions of power in these nations have no loyalty to any nation (not even their own) their only loyalty is to the dopamine receptors in their cranium and the weight of their wallet to fuel their addictions.
Russia could easily sway atleast 30% of the Euro-Nations to reform their economic trade agreements to exclude the U.S.
this would undoubtedly spark a war, because it would amount to a trade sanction (by the world) against the U.S. , which lets face it , at this point is probably a justifiable measure.
It actually comes down to this: How much money is the US willing to shell out to bribe the European Union to stay on the dollar and in the western banking system? The Brussels boys keep their "solutions" crap up much longer, Putin will be able to charge them, not bribe them, to change.
The EU is in the dollar? You sure?
Well, for sure the dollar is in the EU, and that would be all we need to know ... ;)
i bet if putin offered to legalize a special pedophile zone in siberia the eu would join him in a second.
For sure the EU politicians would be in. Picture Van Rumpboy
Prince Andrew is now on the hot seat, along with the despicable, pro-torture Alan Dershowitz. What strange bedfellows pedos make.
All the EU neiboughrs right next to Russia: Scandinavia, Baltics, Poland - has very rejective attitude regarding any attempt to lift sanctions against Russia. Because these EU countries from it's history understand what Russia aggresive politics mean from their own expierience. So... no deal... move along...
Just do one thing tonight before you go to bed. Get a paper and pen and draw one line on the paper to make two columns. Then put US on top of one and Russia on the other. List the countries each has invaded considered as sovereign territory in the last 30 years. List the number of years each of them has been at war with a country outside their borders.
Now take a paper and draw two columns: on one side US annexed teritories where now US officiay declared them as US teritories and on other side Russia annexed teritories.
US is losing in this comparison. Because Russia is not occupied, but returned their territories, following the will of the local population of these territories. This is called democracy.
And the United States - a country which had previously belonged to the indigenous population - Indians. But you declared the Indians genocide and destroy them. United States - a country that was founded on the foreign lands that you captured and occupied.
After that, you took and announced its part of the territory of Mexico. Or it is not taken into account? LOL
Which countries have aknowledge that "referendum" in Crimea as legit? Please name a source.
Also there was no option in that "referendum" to choose from if one wanted that Crimea stays as part of Ukraine which it is by international comunity. So this was no "referendum" but occupation and annexation. Just like in USSR times there was "referendum" that Poland, Baltic states wanted to join USSR where millions of people where send to Syberia to die. Same "democracy".
idiot they had choice to secede or stay with your thug regime . got it blob ?
"The available choices did not include keeping the status quo of Crimea and Sevastopol as they were at the time the referendum was held."
"The referendum was regarded as illegitimate by most countries including all European Union members, the United States and Canada because of the events surrounding it[7] including the plebiscite being held while the peninsula was occupied by Russian soldiers."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_status_referendum,_2014
"General Assembly Adopts Resolution Calling upon States Not to Recognize Changes in Status of Crimea Region"
http://www.un.org/press/en/2014/ga11493.doc.htm
None of your business...
Crimea don't care what you think
Natalia Poklonskaya's New Year Message
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=187PtO46Wsk
Freedom has got a very good point. The Referendum in Crimea was not nearly as democratic and representative as the referenda that freed Hawaii, Puerto Rico, the Marshall Islands, Guam, et al.
What's that? No such referenda?
Freedumb strikes again!
Crimeans are happy....only trolls are not so great butthurt...
Crimea seceded
Crimea is still celebrating
pensions much more and actually recieved
Former Ukraine Military that changed sides now earn 3-5x salary and actually get paid and eat!
new equipment and renovations, whereas nothing and leaking roofs before
cos now No theft by Kyiv Oligarchs
Oh, I'm happy to teach you democracy. You do not know and do not understand what democracy is. Because you live in the mode of the military-police dictatorship of the United States, where the monopoly on power held by one of the ruling party. I mean, the party of big capital. Everything else - Democrats, Republicans, change in the role of puppet presidents - it's just a show to deceive the stupid crowd.
- So, lesson one: People define the boundaries, not boundaries define people.
- Lesson Two: The will of the people is not dependent on whether you like it or not.
- Lesson Three: Democracy can not be "not sovereign", as there can be "not sovereign" will of the people.
- Lesson Four: Western observers were invited to a referendum in the Crimea, but you refused to send observers. How Come? Because you know exactly what the will of the people of Crimea, contrary to the interests of Washington.
- Lesson Five: If you think that a referendum was held in the Crimea "at gunpoint", then what about the illegal and no democratic elections Poroshenko, which were held at gunpoint?
- Lesson Six: If you think that a referendum was held in the Crimea "at gunpoint", then why are you so afraid to hold a second referendum in the Crimea, but under the auspices of the UN?
Who's stopping you spend second referendum in the Crimea, where there is no war, under the auspices of the UN?
You do not want to do any referendum in the Crimea. Because you are afraid to publish the results.
This is not surprising - because you are liars and because the liars are always afraid of the truth!
American food is worst that rat poison.
Now that's an Offer NO sane or completely captured national government could turn down UNLESS they didn't give a rat's arse for their citizen's welfare and futures.
Makes sense. Europe and Russia have a lot of common industrial and cultural similarities - if not identities. Sorry for the US, but you guys have overstretched your self indulgence and your inclination to play as policeman of the world. And worse news : EVERYONE with an IQ larger than his shoe size KNOWS IT by now. Keep happily printing US$, only morons will buy them.
When you watch how US bullies other countries with wars and sanctions, why would anyone want to be part of that. If you don't agree with US they will either invade or sanction you and that is a fact. Not my opinion, many examples. They spy on everyone and use blackmail to get their way. This seems like a friend to run from not towards
Seems like 2015 got here really quickly. Thought the dollar had at least a dozen or so more years?
My Dear Vlad ol' buddy:
Let's invite the US people to join Eurasia too on condition that Washington is killed off and buried once and for all. And here's a second idea: the whole of Eurasia should adopt the American Constitution as-is.
"the whole of Eurasia should adopt the American Constitution as-is."
Why not! The Americans aren't using it.
Fer Christ's sake, don't, all you need is a democracy that enacts human rights, in law, and actually applies it in practice and you have the basis for a functional State people can at least tolerate and put up with even if it goes of the rails over time. You then have a viable basis for people's popular rebellion based reforms if it doesn't legally monitor and reform itself.
Banks are the vector of national disease, and that disease is debt, and bribery buying politicians is how that disease grows. Without a public means and the will of the public to gut and destroy a misbehaving banks, at any time, the system is guaranteed to destabilize, revolt and fail.
The US Constitution is the most stark example of such failure.
"...all you need is a democracy that enacts human rights, in law"
Such laws are fine ...until an elected government decides to change, repeal or ignore them. Then what? Whereas a Constitution is the supreme law of the land which cannot be changed without explicit approval of "the people".
"The US Constitution is the most stark example of such failure"
No. The failure has been in not having a fully independent Constitutional supervision process to prevent abuse by elected governments and to impose severe penalties on those who attempt to do so.
smacker, it's only the UK that has no written constitution. remember when the proposal was about an EU constitution? France and the Netherlands voted, and the answer was a resounding NO!
and both France and the Netherlands have written constitutions
inside the EU it's only in the UK that an elected parliament can change, repeal or ignore whatever it likes
this has nothing to do with the fact that for most of Europe, any overarching common constitution is not an option. thanks, but no, thanks
You omit to mention that the EU Constitution was not drafted by "the people" but by a French socialist, political slimeball. It does not contain the sort of supreme safeguards that should be present in a proper constitution. It was written to support the current Brussels modus operandi and future United States of Europe.
It makes a nice doorstop.
Apart from that, you are right to say that Britain does not have a written Constitution, but if you ever asked British politicians about that, they'd say we do (!!!)
Happy New Year :-)
Founding Fathers warned against democracy.
Constitution not main...
Bill of Rights is the important in real.
I don't see how this would change the most important problem the EU has, Debt.
Is China all of a sudden going to be importers of EU products to such a degree they can cover all the debt accumulated to date?
What we have here is Russia and china are in serious trouble and looking for a way out, just like everybody else.
After the collapse then let's talk.
You've got to start somewhere. Moving to a sound banking system with honest balance sheets and a currency backed by metal is a better bet than a future of certain debt backed by a printing press.
Dump the US bully that wants to start a war/sanctions with anyone it doesn't like at the drop of the hat? And will kill people going to weddings who might be in the same area as a tourrrorrrrist?
Hmmmmm, difficult question that.....
Case in point - Turkey's Erdogan who was doing everything he could for his zino-masters until they tried to dump him last year in another color revolution and install his even more pliable political nemesis. Erdogan survived an he's pissed. New Russian pipeline to go via Turkey. No more on-site jihadi training by CIA / Mossad. Expect more consequences.
Hmm....economic freedom or bondage!?!
What to do what to do....
Compare Vlad and his guy Laverov to BathHouse Barry and his gaggle of corrupt lying imbecile clowns... pretty easy decision, even for a US citizen with an IQ over 40. Traitor to the people Merkel better take care she doesn't end up on a lamp post on this one...
A sobering thought that ZH would be better advised to follow up on rather than talk about Eurasian vampire's ball is the following :
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/04/us-russia-era-nuclear-rivalry
Here we see the REAL arms race hotting up.
And that means : Back to the USSR !
Because NATO seems to think it has the right to surround Russia and break treaties, that's the cause of the "hotting up" nothing else.
Back in the USSR ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxyISsA0Oh0
It's a slam dunk. A done deal. No way in hell is Europe going to pass up the opportunity of an aristocracies lifetime by sticking with the US. Russia connects China and the EU. Imagine for one freaking moment what kind of industrialization, commercial real estate, mining, transportation and population growth that could lead too. The US and the banksters of FRAUD are toast M'Fers. Yes Q99X2 is back in his California nest and back to college tomorrow. Fuck the cold weather. People have to be crazy to live in that frozen tundra.
You are that young and have figured out so much already? I am impressed.
I say that any economic union must be predicated upon minimal credit between nations so as to avoid a massive debt build up with its ensuing consequences of economic, political and social imbalances.
If unfettered movement of goods, services, debt and people is allowed then it smells like a NWO coming to us from the other end.