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"Some Folks Were Overpaid..." Over 3 Million Obamacare Subsidy Recipients Will Owe IRS
While the Affordable Care Act fines those who don't have health insurance, it also provides subsidies for people making up to four times the federal poverty line ($46,680)... but, as The Washington Examiner reports, the subsidies are based on past tax returns, so many people may be receiving too much. In fact, as H&R Block calculates, as many as 3.4 million people who received Obamacare subsidies may owe money to the federal government.
As The Washington Examiner reports,
As many as 3.4 million people who received Obamacare subsidies may owe refunds to the federal government, according to an estimate by a tax preparation firm.
H&R Block is estimating that as many as half of the 6.8 million people who received insurance premium subsidies under the Affordable Care Act benefited from subsidies that were too large, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.
“The ACA is going to result in more confusion for existing clients, and many taxpayers may well be very disappointed by getting less money and possibly even owing money," the president of a tax preparation and education school told the Journal.
While the Affordable Care Act fines those who don't have health insurance, it also provides subsidies for people making up to four times the federal poverty line ($46,680).
But the subsidies are based on past tax returns, so many people may be receiving too much, according to Vanderbilt University assistant professor John Graves, who projects the average subsidy is $208 too high, the Journal reports.
Tax preparers, who frequently advertise their ability to deliver big refunds, have been working feverishly to avoid customer anger stemming from lower-than-expected refunds due to insurance premiums. They also are trying to make sure customers understand the potential fines for not having insurance.
"Eighty-five percent of our customers get a refund," said Kathy Pickering, who directs the H&R Block Tax Institute, according to the Washington Post. "That refund could be offset by the penalty. And if that happens, they're going to be understandably angry."
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Angry indeed...
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What the fuck is a "tax refund"?
Precisely.
Seriously - I am gobsmacked when I hear idiots about how much money they are getting back. Of course, it's futile to point out that a) you're getting your own money back after being deprived of the use of it through threat of force and b) you are absoluelty NOT getting back dollar for dollar in value for what was taken from you involuntarily to begin with.
What they do know is that money just magically appears one day.
I am beginning the think that, yes, you can divide by zero.
Jeebus. [facepalm]
Worse yet them who impound money with the feds because they lack self control.
I have seen dozens of above-ground pools come and go because of the "Bonus" of the tax return. God help me for capitalizing on their stupidity.
If the patient died, does the family owe???
Nobody ever owes, they just volunteer.
"Tax preparers, who frequently advertise their ability to deliver big refunds, have been working feverishly to avoid customer anger"
Easy, just advise them all to claim "single and 0" and withhold an extra 1 or 2 hundred dollars a check for maximum refund next year!!
No, simply eschew the lending to the government and place a grip on the money-flow, as one might band the testicles of a yearling.
Well if education didn't suck so bad, obamacare would not cost so much.
Actually, I blame my peers. 1970s kids who couldn't shovel against the tide, got fat and lazy. Are quiescent in their loserishness.
There isn't much to say about Obamacare at this point, except bend over and take it. 'Mericans will take this ass-raping like they've taken all of their ass-rapings: A twinkle in the eye while shouting "God bless 'Merica.", "Thank you heroes in uniforms." and "I love my freedumbs."
Well, fucking no.
We will not take it. The shit pile will burn to the ground before we'll take it.
I see the problem as withholding tax and net income paid. Simply do away with this and have everyone mail in a check every two weeks to the government. That may shit slap some reality into a few.
Miffed
Absolutely! I've said for years, that withholdings from our checks are the "smartest" move the Gov. has made.
If we all had to cut a yearly tax check to Uncle Sam on April 15th, it would only happen once. The rest of the year would be a bloody revolution.
Income tax withholding was suppose to be "temporary" for WWII.
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=2092
Great... Now I am gonna have to get a bigger fence.
I have a friend who from California who now lives in florida (no state income tax) yet he remains a citizen of California and pays their state taxes. He gets every penny back every year since he doesn't actually reside there, and treats it as a nice big bonus. When I asked him why he does that instead of just becoming a Florida resident, he replied "because I suck at saving money". So he is basically lending his money to the people's republic of California at no interest(which means he is really losing 4-6% purchasing power over the course of a year) to save him from the horrors of not living paycheck to pay check and actually saving.
How much you want to bet that those getting "refunds" believe that they paid no taxes?
My whole fucking refund.
My left hemisphere, plus my bottle of Azzaro Chrome, which has supplied me with more trim than a sail salesman.
Wrong. Most people receiving refunds get them as a result of refundable credits (EIC or Additional Child Tax Credit). In fact, many people have zero tax liability (no taxable income afer exemptions and standard deduction) and still received $5,000 refunds.
Correct.
Obamacrats are not used to apying for anything.
They get cash for votes.
Not cash "back".
How am I wrong? I never stated a quantity or percentage of the taxdonkeys that fit this profile, only that it is.
I purposely add a bit to the withholding so I have a small lump coming to me. That lump makes a bulk purchase of metal.
I keep no cash in the bank. And have the withholding in case of burglery.
Fines, penalties, and repayments should be paid with metals, specifically, copper jacketed lead.
Understanding what and why you are doing something is one thing. Apathy (or willful ignorance - you make the call) is a whole different enchilada.
The "refund" is a psychological conditioning gimmick to jigger the Pavlovian salivation response.
Surreptitious punishment every pay period for working, then a reward pellet once a year for filing a tax return.
It took me over 30 years for this to sink in:
The first year, when I 'filed a return' and I got a few hundred dollars in the form of a check, I thought it was kind of cool (until I looked at the overall 'withholding' shit that included several thousand dollars in 'other' things, like F>I>C>A> and S>S> 'withholding). The 'official' inflation rate was 10.2% that year, and Carter was trying to negotiate with those 'Iranian Radicals' for the release of the 'hostages'; and what the hell did I KNOW that S>S> was just a Ponzi scheme? The 'FEDERAL INSURANCE CONTRIBUTORS' ACT' forces people who FILE TAX RETURNS to insure FEDERAL EMPLOYEES? FEDERAL EMPLOYEES are NOT required to pay SOCIAL SECURITY taxes? The age of death (on inception) was 62, but the age at which S>S> could be collected was 65; as calculated by the 'actuarials' who set up this scheme?
3.2 million voters who signed up for Obamacare after once again trusting the bullshit lies of the same 'government' that ensured everyone that they were killing babies in the incubators and that JFK's head could be seen moving violently FORWARD and that the WMD's would be found in Iraq and that the S>S> number would be a SECRET number that would NEVER be used for IDENTIFICATION are once again going to PAY THE TAXMAN; and be HAPPY doing it. H and R BLOCK will ensure their 'compliance', of course.
In a nation of 320 million, 3.2 million is only 1%. NO, not THAT '1%'.
getting back the interest free loan some people give to the IRS
Stupid is as Stupid does.
Hold on now, will this impact my Earned Income Tax Credit? You can clearly tell by the name that I earned it ... Well gotta bag these rocks.
Wares mi subidee?/
You forgot the obligatory 'hash-tag' thingie.
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There is a penalty for not deducting enough from your paycheck.
Im young and havent committed investing my savings so I havent bothered testing that line yet but I read about one some time in the last year.
Agreed, but in this environment you'd get $1.15 on that $1,500 you put in a "savings" account.
It's almost like they've got us corraled to harvest our wool, oh wait...
You forgot the 'fees', like the $.05 per check written, and the $5.00 per month for having less than $5,000.00 in your account per month, and the $1.50 per transfer, and the ATM balance request fee of $.50 per request, and the $3.50 per year accounting fee, and...
Of course, you are liable for the $1.15 you earned last year on the 'interest'. You will, of course, file the proper forms when submitting your 2014 'returns'... April 15 is the ULTIMATE CUTOFF DATE; at which time, interest will be accrued at the rate of 22.5% per fucking MONTH (along with fees and fines).
Thank you for your time, "EBWORTHEN".
Your local Federal Reserve Banking System Branch (Mr. Janet Yellen, presiding Chairman)
(Our corporate motto 'To Serve Man' has a dual meaning, you know...)
A tax refund:
When someone robs you, and gives you back 1/10th of what they stole from you to make you feel like "shucks they aint so bad, they could of stole the whole thing"
The only reason we have tax refunds is probably because some Nazi shrink thought up some theory about how to make people feel good after you rob them.
if a thief broke into your house and stole all your shit, but then sent you some of it back in the mail next month, first you would feel sad/angry, then later when you get "some" of your shit back, you are all of the sudden all like "o shit my tv just showed up on my doorstep!"
Its all oppressive psychology to entrance the population of useful idiots.
When its that easy to mind-fuck people, can you blame them for doing it?????
Love your shit Dre4dwolf. You are one of the few worth coming here for.
>>>When its that easy to mind-fuck people, can you blame them for doing it?????
I'm naive enough to believe that mind-fucking a population of morons is "wrong", even though that has been standard procedure since the agricultural surplus was invented.
I am committed, though, to not making it easy for them to mind-fuck me.
This is the theory behind slot machines. People will eventually walk away if it never pays but if it occasionally spits back a pittance, they will keep dumping money into it. This was based on a study made with rats pushing a button to get a food reward. Unfortunately this also shows the sophistication of human beings.
Miffed
John Calhoun reports another series of rat behavioral studies highly applicable to two-legged mammals.
To many Americans, it's the largest lump sum of money that they receive that they are looking forward to spend because it's "free".
The IRS is a collection agency. Give them nothing and make them fight for your money. It's their burden.
2015: the year we stop surrendering.
...writing bold comments on ZH.
If people are applying for these subsidies are low income, does anyone here think the IRS will actually pursue them for any monies? So what is their risk in fraud? The IRS goes after those with the most to lose. Business owners. Everything is about appearances and leverage. They will downplay the fraud to preserve the programs image, just like they refused to prosecute bankers to preserve our confidence in the thieving banks.
..well there is always indentured servitude to fall back on at a future date.
debtor prisons anyone??
The IRS isn't even ours... its a foreign collection agency for foreign owned banks.... this country is paying tribute to some foreign banking scumbags . . . for no reason.
Well, not for nothing. We've never been free, 1776 was a scam and everything we pay is interest on the fees to colonize the land.
You forget the secret one world government
The one world government fell apart the moment Russia and China decided not to play ball.
The NWO at this point is an aborted fetus.... when the Euro falls apart and the economic union in Europe crumbles it will be the final nail in the coffin for the NWO.
The NWO will be reduced to a collapsed American empire cannibalizing its own people to maintain some semblance of power and control over its own bloated military and nuclear arsenal and whatever remains of the British monarchy after half of them get prosecuted for child smuggling and abuse in the palace.
We are circling the NWO toilet as we speak. . . its weeks now, not years or months tick tock motherfuckers.
NO.
It's wishful thinking.
The One World Government is made up of those who are FOMENTING the CHAOS that you believe will be able to STOP them. China and Russia (the puppet-governments therein) are merely players in the larger construct.
The NWO isn't made up of ONLY the 'Anglo-American Empire'. The ZOG government (there) has been working on the implosion of the Constitutional Republic since its' inception; and is now using it for the totality of its' end goal.
You are buying the lie, and drinking the Kool-aid; if you think otherwise.
Yes, yes! Great points guys. Why can't we have more discussion on these topics? I respect you both, wise fellows!
So who else is betting on a Supreme Court overturn of Federal exchange subsidies this June (effectively killing Obamacare)? Yeah, me neither.
About as much as I'm betting on the "r's" from fighting it; or any of barry's bullshit, this year.
I'm healthy, I quit insurance and stored up $400 per month into a fund I call an HSA. We didn't see a doctor all year, so now we have $4800 to spend for 2015. Catastrophic insurance at $15/mo via NRA.
Best yet? Cash costs 1/3 less for anything from our local hospital.
Paying it forward with a big "fuck you" upstream. Fuck modern medicine. Get healthy and get in control.
"Catastrophic insurance at $15/mo via NRA"
Seriously?
Yes, if I cut off my leg with my chainsaw, they'll pay for my hospital time, careflight, etc. If I get kicked by a horse, same. If my boiler blows up, covered. It's called gap and it's rated by risk.
If I pulped my left hand in 2005 in a mower accident I might be rated to $66 per month, right now, but I think you catch my drift.
Gap insurance implies you already have health insurance. So, which is it? A stand-alone plan or a supplemental plan? And if it's a supplemental plan, how much does your primary health insurance plan cost you?
What's 'insurance'?
The Mafia representative comes in to your restaurant, and declares that it would be a terrible thing if your business were to suffer an 'unplanned-for loss' (while his boys, with guns, break a few plates in the kitchen).
I like the scheme of 'life insurance', the best. YOU pay in, but never get any returns (because, after you die, you don't see anything).
barnaby-exactly what i am doing- your numbers are spot on. about five thousand dollars in my savings(per year) that would go to some unhealthy bastard that feels entitled to live like a fool. was at the food court at mall of merica y'day and my god of hell, i saw enuf human pigs eating shit for food to scare one to run to the coop(bought an ice cream cone-hehe). fucken - eh, ha...
Just curious, where did you find catastrophic health insurance on the NRA website that's ACA-compliant for $15/month? They link to ehealthinsurance.com and it sure as hell ain't $15/month!
Hybrid HIP from Northwest Mutual. Shop based on your health. Control your prices based on risk.
Then, once you have a HSA "Bank," add services like chiropractic or acupuncture and pay from your bank. Watch your health grow as your care bank blossoms.
I've got the HSA part down--have in excess of $6K. It's the ACA-compliant health plan I find hard to believe. With a deductible of $12,600, I'm not planning on using my high-deductible insurance plan unless it is indeed a catastrophe. However, it still costs the wife and I nearly $700 a month (versus the $300/mo we were paying prior to the ACA). However, since the criminal syndicate known as the U.S. Government insists I have an ACA-compliant health plan, it just so happens my reported and verifiable income is just $40K which "entitles" me to a subsidy (gah, I hate that word) that ends up costing me nothing.
Ain't life in the United States of Absurdity grand?
."Catastrophic insurance at $15/mo via NRA"
Ooops - my offer musta been shredder fodder.
Thats what hapens when you allow healthcare to become a TAX !!!!!!!
No, this is the inevitable outcome of monetizing the relative physiological state of an alleged sentient species. For-profit medicine is right up there with usury in my book.
>>>For-profit medicine is right up there with usury in my book.
For those life-and-limb threatening, you-have-no-choice "purchase decisions", I can support state-controlled, state-subsidized medical care.
For routine health maintenance, I fail to see how running one's health care through either a government program. or private insurance company, adds any value to the system.
There's no really ethical problem with "for profit" medicine, if the service providers aren't in the business of mind-fucking a population of morons; unfortunately, given the current mental and behavioral standards in the USA, that's exactly the business they're in....
Well they had to pass it so we could find out what's (in it). It was game set match before they even passed it.
Its supposed to be Frrrrreeeeee!!!!
Pajamas Boy said so!!!!!
Everybody shut up and EAT YOUR PEAS!
No cake for you!
We Grubered some folks.
But, the bar is so low....
How can you have any pudding
if you dont eat your meat ?
[In loud, screaming, Cockney accent...] BECAUSE IN NGLAN, PUDDIN' IS MAID OUTTA MEAT!!!
some folks are goin' to be piss'd!
Because everyone knows that your income never changes. Stupid.
Half over paid...classic govt. the govt giveth and the govt taketh away....
"While the Affordable Care Act fines those who don't have health insurance,..."
I still can't get over it, let that sink in you idiot fucking progs, what kind of authoritarian state does shit like this?
Cue Lee Greenwood.
is that Zappa?
yes.
Faux reelz.
Only the fucking "progressive" mind could blur the distinction between public & private and have the state come down on the side of a private corporation against the people.
Its a tax!...paid to a corporation.
No, its really a penalty, paid to the government for not engaging in a business transaction.
So in essence we have the fucking IRS collecting non-payments on behalf of corporations?
I swear to God I could scream.
."I swear to God I could scream."
Make it a primal - you know, so you get the max glandular dump into the old bloodstream. Yeah baby. Firearms are not recommended.
There's nothing "progressive" about Obamacare/Romneycare. It's a scam where we are forced at the barrel of a gun to buy health insurance that is more costly than a home mortgage payment per month or else get our wages garnished by the IRS.
Progressives advocate Universal Health Care; not this "tax" ruled Constitutional by "conservative" Chief Justice Roberts.
Notice how the Republicans have done NOTHING to repeal Obamacare? Because the Republicans LOVE it. They all stood behind Romney, and to this day I still see Romney bumper stickers all over trucks on the highways. Even though Romneycare was the prototype for Obamacare.
The insurance companies stocks skyrocket, and the working class who can barely afford a home mortgage, now have health insurance that costs even more than that per month.
The gap between rich and poor will get even wider with this gimmick.
"There's nothing "progressive" about Obamacare/Romneycare."
One is state, the other is national. Its a lot easier to leave a state than a country.
"Progressives advocate Universal Health Care;..."
Paid for by being taxed?
"...not this "tax" ruled Constitutional by "conservative" Chief Justice Roberts.
Along with every other "progressive" judge.
"what kind of authoritarian state does shit like this?"
One where most, if not all, insurance, large hospital, and big pharma companies, along with the junctions of power, are owned or controlled by the Amongst.
The banksters need to repay us.
Thanks for that. It's rather sobering, but what everyone needs to focus on. And ten years from now, if the progs and Hillary can somehow avoid nuclear war, we'll be wondering why so few paid attention.
I was trying to explain this concept to my niece who was bragging about her subsidized plan and failed.
Suckas!!!!!!
I'd really truly love to unfuck myself from my social security number.
Entertainment purposes only.
How do people who have no jobs, no income, no permanet address "refund" the IRS?
True. Also ask yourself, why pay taxes since the Government creates it's own money? No need to pay tax really.
It's all about holding the leash, not walking the dog.
doing community service for starters.
With no job(s) or income, you don't owe taxes. This one's easy. Do you work? If so, then YOU pay. Have a nice day.
Classic. Governing by decree, worry about how we afford it later.
Let’s get the people covered and then let’s do cost control.
That was step eight out of thirteen I believe. Step eight says "the government borrows money with no clear plan of how to pay it back". The article said that no country in history ever recovered after proceeding through step eight. The article was about, of course, the decline of empire.
It puts the lotion in the basket or it gets the hose again.
hahhahah!! Longest title!! Winner winner chicken dinner!
What a Gruber that guy is.
He is the "intelligence" behind much of progressive thought. Goes back to Freud, and his belief in our animal spirits ruling us and the need for the elite to "manage" us towards a better world. There is nothing new here. We are either left to our own devices, which obviously does not offer nearly enough money and power for these folks, or we do it their way. We value what they tell us to value and buy what they tell us to buy....all for our own good of course. Maybe it is all for the best, but I don't care. I would rather live the life of a bird in the wild than one in a coup. We are not livestock and we don't judge our lives based on how many years and months we survive. We live for ourselves and what life offers us in its challenges, victories and defeats. Otherwise what is the point, waiting on the netflix movie to come in the mail?
Maybe we were sheep all along and simply dreamed we were something more. Maybe the Matrix will take us back....
Where did Freud say that? Do you have a book or a page number to reference?
He would be a big critic of such a thing.
Jonathan Gruber of MIT:
How can someone so smart be so #$%! stupid.
"Smart" people are the only ones that can lay a genuine claim to the title. Despite their intelligence, they often "know" so much that just isn't so.
Isn't any 'subsidy' income? Why isn't a low income earner required to pay a tax on the 'subsidy' income given by .gov?
It is. Your health care plan you get from your business is now taxed as income (added to your regular income amount). That's what I heard.
Not so.
Not yet.
What happens with Obama care in a deflationary collapse?
Many complained of healthcare costs forcing them into bankruptcy. Now thanks to a progressive government we can all share in the experience of our healthcare costs dominating our lives....equally, except for the rich of course....the rich are really never part of this conversation because after all they are the ruling elite.
I wish I were rich, not because of all the cool toys, but because I could allow my thoughts to be dominated by the plight of the little people, those of inferior class and intelligence to share in my glory, making policy from on high that accomplishes little but to make myself feel better about myself, and generally crushing those I'm so inclined to help.
Oh, the shame of unintended consequences!
Bankster Error In Your Favor. Go Directly To Jail Anyway.
We overpaid some folks ...........
put every single federal employee, especially IRS on obamacare now!
i get the feeling NO ONE still read what was in it !!!
Well someone has to be responsible for the chit that comes out of washington so I hope for the politicians sake, there is.
When I first got married wifey bought into the whole refund thing. Showed her the match and I make sure I work so we owe something at tax time. Now I show her how much we paid in already and then how much more we "owe" them. She is always incensed.
Sounds like they need some sort of "ACA Penalty Relief, Tax Credit and Reimbursment Act ".
Haha.. no way, they spent good money getting everyone possible guilty of a felony.. not going to let that slip through the old fingers.
It's not like they need the votes any longer..
We fucked some people in the ass and they didn't even know it.
But why did they bend over for him is what I want to know.
To pick up the penny?
Best action I ever took was to move to the tropics. I don't give a rat's ass about Obamacare.
Fearless prediction: a whole fuck ton of people will get their tax refund taken from them. Which means no spring check that 40% of the country banks on. Car sales are going to be bad this spring.
So, short Nike?
Missiles or sneakers? Because my response is wildly divergent.
don't they both have shwoosh?
"We de-refunded some folks."
People who get refunds are idiots. They are over paying and giving the .gov interest free loans. What a country.
Try explaining that to people and watch as their eyes glaze over and they mutter something about tin foil.
I haven't gotten a refund in 15 years. But I did get some ocare subsidies this year.
If I got too much subsidy. but don't have a refund (and currently owe tax) then what the actual fuck are they going to do about it?
Print more money is what they'll do, because that's what they always do.
And our purchasing power (of the currency we must work to attain) will continue to be incrementally destroyed by special people, some call them the tribe, who have exclusive rights to print with no effort what the rest of us must sweat to obtain.
It's bullshit and it won't stop until that basic fact is changed.
The Government 'overpaid' the Insurance Companies, NOT the Taxpayers!
The Insurance Companies took the money, may not have paid for ANY 'healthcare' -may have spent the money on fancy buildings, outrageous managment compensation, stock buybacks, etc.; -and now the taxpayers are on the hook to the Government for having overpaid the Insurance Companies.
Remember: the ACA explicitly GUARANTEES that FOR PROFIT Insurance Companies are profitable: the Insurers may price in a hefty 20% profit margin on their plans without any restraint from the Government; -not that anyone actually expects the Government to root out any excessive profits hidden by accounting legerdermain or outright gouging and fraud.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2013/10/26/despite-glitches-obam...
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102152031
Over/under Feburary 1st ZH posts a story (with video) of someone at a tax prep service rioting over a reduced refund/"I HAVE TO PAY?!?" due to Obamacare.
Mandated healthcare insurance is not in the Constitution and in fact the 10th says:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
To get around the Constitution's twice stated prohibition against non-apportioned direct taxes, the 16th. amendment was added, and it says:
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
So since mandated healthcare insurance is not "income" it cannot be a Constitutional tax and since it is not also a power delegated to the US government in the Constitution, it is Unconstitutional and null-and-void. An American, not US subject.
The banksters need to repay us.
Easier to hold their feet to the fire now, than to hold them down in the guillotine later.
Unfortunately our CONstitution allows 5 out of the 9 Supreme Court justices to rule what is constitutional or not. ACA was ruled Constitutional as a "tax" by conservative Chief Justice Roberts.
Until people protest these insurance companies, expect more long train of abuses.
Next we will be forced to buy life insurance or be taxed by the IRS, we will be forced to buy flood insurance or be taxed by the IRS, we will be forced to buy car insurance even if you don't own a car or be taxed by the IRS. There will be no limit to what insurance companies will force you to buy at rates higher than home mortgage payments. It will eventually bankrupt the middle class and the only thing left of this country will be tent cities and massive prisons to house all of the citizens who aren't compliant with these mandates while the elite live in armored compounds.
This is the "endgame".
What's left of the middle class and below are about to find out what that "extra straw" about to be placed on their back really weighs. Happy New Year.
But we have already counted the subsidies as boosting our GDP figures.
Don't worry, they will make it up on incarceration..
.. incarceration- that's part of the new GDP formula right?
Enjoy that shit sandwich you ignotrant fucksticks that supported this monstrosity.
I hope you and everyone you love suffer immeasurably under this law.
That's almost half. Some folks be lying.
We Grubered some folks.
Nice that they waited until after people voted to take the money back. Every single one of those that went to the polls that had a subsidy thought they were being helped. Surprise, motherfuckers, you're getting screwed with the rest of us.
THIS IS BULLSHIT.
The Government 'overpaid' Insurance Companies, NOT Taxpayers!
Checks were NOT cut to Taxpayers; payments were sent to Insurance Companies.
Why doens't the Government demand the funds back from the Insurance Companies, that did not deserve the funds, directly?
This is a scam to force Taxpayers to pay for Govenment malfeasance engineered by lying Politicians attempting to fool desperate primarily underclass Voters into propping a dysfunctional system that would otherwise collapse and be properly reformed.
IF the Government overpays a Contractor and desires a refund -is it the responsibility of the other Customers of that Contractor to pay back to the Government in lieu of the Contractor?
The Insurance Companies have the money: the Taxpayers do not.
The Insurance Companies should be forced to pay back the ill gotten funds and deal directly with their Customers where pricing and invoicing are concerned -without getting the goddamned IRS of all entities involved in this mess.
"I robbed some folks."
This time s a fucking million, hell why not a trillion.
THe subisidy never went to me. It went straight to fucking blue cross (who crucifies their 'customers) becuase they doubled my health insurance rate from $400/mo to $800/month. That $600 in subsidy check went straight into the coffers of Blue Cross.
That's where the money is. Not in my goddamn pocket.
But the program was set up to keep insurance companies in business, so they will be the last to pay back anything.
There will be howling beginning February, when the new forms come out.
If you like your IRS audit, you can keep your IRS audit
Is there anything this idiot Obama does that isn't completetly fucked up?
If there is, I wouldn't enumerate them here, FFS.
If you like your subsidies, you can keep your subsidies.
If you like Totalitarianism, you can keep your Totalitarianism.
I know I sound like a broken record, but, we're gonna need moar ammo.