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Thousands Of NYC Cops Turn Back On de Blasio Again: "Mayor Has No Respect For Us. Why Should We Respect Him?"
When thousands of cops showed up yesterday to pay their respects to their slain colleague Wenjian Liu who was murdered in cold blood two weekends ago, perhaps the only question on everyone's mind was whether the local police would - once again - turn their back on NYC mayor Bill de Blasio, who as we reported previously, the NYPD is engaged in a cold war with, with arrests and citations plummeting in recent weeks as a result of what has become a police boycott of city hall.
The answer: a resounding yes, and as the AP reports, "thousands of police turned their backs Sunday as Mayor Bill de Blasio eulogized an officer shot dead with his partner, repeating a stinging display of scorn for the mayor despite entreaties to put anger aside."
The show of disrespect came outside the funeral home where Officer Wenjian Liu was remembered as an incarnation of the American dream: a man who had emigrated from China at age 12 and devoted himself to helping others in his adopted country. The gesture among officers watching the mayor's speech on a screen added to tensions between the mayor and rank-and-file police even as he sought to quiet them.
After hundreds of officers turned their backs to a screen where de Blasio's remarks played during Ramos' funeral last week, Police Commissioner William Bratton sent a memo urging respect, declaring "a hero's funeral is about grieving, not grievance."
But some officers and police retirees said they still felt compelled to spurn the mayor. Police union leaders have said he contributed to an environment that allowed the officers' slayings by supporting protests following the police killings of Eric Garner on Staten Island and Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.
"The mayor has no respect for us. Why should we have respect for him?" said retired New York Police Department Detective Camille Sanfilippo, who was among those who turned their backs Sunday. Retired NYPD Sgt. Laurie Carson called the action "our only way to show our displeasure with the mayor."
As the AP adds, after Sunday's show of disdain, Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch said officers "have a right to have our opinion heard, like everyone else that protests out in the city" and noted that officers' "organic gesture" was outside the service. The mayor got a respectful reception among police officials inside.
The NYPD declined to comment, and de Blasio spokesman Phil Walzak said the mayor was focused on honoring the fallen officers.
And then there was this: retired NYPD officer John Mangan stood with a sign that read: "God Bless the NYPD. Dump de Blasio." And Patrick Yoes, a national secretary with the 328,000-member Fraternal Order of Police, praised Lynch's stance toward the mayor.
"Across this country, we seem to be under attack in the law enforcement profession," Yoes said. "We are public servants. We are not public enemies."
That may well be the case, yet many wonder: just why the need for such an unprecedented police militarization that has many debating whether the SWATization of America's police forces isn't just a preview of what is to come?
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A police state !
The NYPD is just giving the opportunity for neighborhoods to police themselves. A proper neighborhood watch is significantly better than NYPD.
Every orficer who turns his back should give his badge number so that they can be fired. Orficers protect and serve "the city" and the mayor is the executive of the city.
most of these dipshits would be working as janitors if they weren't politically connected. they bite the hand that feeds them.
Must be nice to protest in peace without the fear of being forcibly dispersed, or worse, beaten to death. Fucking pigs.
Pick a more appropriate venue to protest A'holes
send in the national guard to teach them a lesson.
or the army.
maybe a UN humanitarian force.
never let a back-turning go to waste.
hugs,
rahm
lets get all those fuckers in shape. boot camp them and take away all donuts. if it looks like a pig......
Let me clarify my comments:
1. When the Peace Officers turn their back on the Mayor, they are giving a finger to the rule of law - namely, that the Peace Officers are SUBJUGATED to the Mayor and serve and protect "the city" (CORPORATION) and to turn their backs on the mayor they are saying that they themselves are supreme and above the executive.
2. One doesn't have to agree with the Novus Ordo Seclorum in order to criticise it. Personally I'm a supporter of the Free Man movement and yes I know about the ALL CAPS NAME etc.
3. De-Bla-Sio is showing weakness by allowing this insubordination to continue.
4. The job of the Peace Officer is to OBEY the executive when those orders don't intefere with the common law rights of the citizens. Yes, that is their job - they are paid to be obiedent slaves.
I do agree.
One does not need ascribe to Keynesian Economics. But unfortunately that is the current paradigm although many here reject it...as I do. But I do know about that which I reject. (That is why I can RATIONALLY reject it.)
When writing truths, about which many people are unaware (I guess), it is helpful to write that while it is the truth that you do not yield moral support to that dismal truth.
A few well placed adjectives (or phrases) within your thesis will affectively communicate your distaste for the truth and clear up any confusion.
Or conversely you can adopt my attitude... If they cannot handle the truth, as they are still within the Matrix, fuck 'em. They are not deserving.
The NYPD is beyond crooked, and has always been historically bad, and they blame all of their problems on the mayor.
Yeah, that will solve the problem of the Them VS. Us. Just throw the mayor out and replace him with another stooge. /sarc
The NYPD will still do stop and frisks, they will still murder citizens for "resisting arrest" over beyond petty "crimes" such as selling cigarettes. The NYPD will still write tickets for trivial traffic "violations". The NYPD will still be a burden on taxpayers' with their bloated pensions.
Throwing the mayor out isn't going to reduce crime or relieve tension. Getting the po po off of the block will. Also legalizing the second amendment would help too in the concrete jungle.
all i see is a sea of truculent blue dicks who've forgotten their place in a democratic society...
yeah, "A police state! If you can keep it"
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/02/the-true-relationship-between-cri...
They agree that fines are a revenue stream and nothing else. They also seem to forget they are public servants, hired to serve and protect when they are beating the shit out of people.
The NYPD is beyond crooked, and has always been historically bad, and they blame all of their problems on the mayor.
Yeah, that will solve the problem of the Them VS. Us. Just throw the mayor out and replace him with another stooge. /sarc
The NYPD will still do stop and frisks, they will still murder citizens for "resisting arrest" over beyond petty "crimes" such as selling cigarettes. The NYPD will still write tickets for trivial traffic "violations". The NYPD will still be a burden on taxpayers' with their bloated pensions.
Throwing the mayor out isn't going to reduce crime or relieve tension. Getting the po po off of the block will. Also legalizing the second amendment would help too in the concrete jungle.
I'm no fan of the mayor, but you are spot on.
He should fire those fuckers. They have no legal or moral high ground to stand on.
Police officers have the right to turn their backs on the mayor, just not while in uniform.
As private citizens they have the right to voice their displeasure.
I'm unclear why the cops don't simply mag dump on de Blasio, kill his dog, shoot up his house and blow his children's faces off with flash bangs?
Then, say they thought he was holding a gun and they were afraid.
Paid vacation, and high-fives all around.
Exactly what this is really all about. If a cop didn't get their "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" from a regular guy, that's precisely what they would do. It's what they're used to doing. They're entitled.
This one is eating their guts out.
See the bitches pout.
They should also confiscate the $10,000 in cash in his bedroom safe. Could be drug or tourist monies.
God-damn, Nanny Moose! You're gonna make Captain!
Lots of downvotes on this particular thread. I didn't know thugs with badges and blue costumes could read.
They might be qualified to seek employent as garbage collectors...a more dangerous job btw.
Mostly fat assed cocksuckers to boot . . . they'd get their asses kicked if people asserted their right to defend themselves.
flacon: how long you been with HLS or is it just TSA..?? obey obey..
"Every orficer who turns his back should give his badge number so that they can be fired. Orficers protect and serve "the city" and the mayor is the executive of the city."
Right? Spoken like a true statist hack.
Can't see why you are getting hit on that flac, of course with no argument (seems common lately on ZH).
The police (not the sheriff) are corporate officers that serve the corporation (city). Any benefit that the people have is merely secondary.
Maybe people are taking issue about you calling out their protesting?
To that end, there is an easy way to protest and help us all out in the process.
Quit.
pods
He is getting the junks because the readers mistakenly, or correctly, believe that he gives support to that unfortunate abysmal truth, pods. He did not state his position of support or rejection.
I have had that happen to me. All of the Junks in the World will not change the truth.
But many just do not like the truth. They want to live in a fantasyland where they erroneously believe that Police are hired to protect the citizen.
Now I just called the truth abysmal, which it is. My position is clear that I do not want Law Enforcement to be primarily concerned with protecting the interests of the Corporation but to be primarily concerned with protecting the population from the wolves.
But they have actually declared War upon the Public and deserve no support or respect whatsoever.
I saw what he wrote as merely a statement of fact (with a disparaging quip about them being "orficers"). And what he said was spot on. They are corporate officers. The mayor, whether you like him or not, is the head of that corporation.
idk, I guess I just remember this place as being one of fun facts and good arguments.
Good people are being driven away by a flash mob mentality more and more it seems.
pods
Well it is Fight Club.
We are all adults here...supposedly.
If somebody gets butthurt then perhaps they need not be here.
Pods,
Thanks for the understanding and trying to help others see. You understand my sentiment exactly. That's ok, I'm not emotionally hurt by other people's comments.
Heck, I watched Fight Club (again) just last week. Gotta love the movie!
:)
It kind of sucks when people assume the inverse when you make a statement. Usually happens more around selection season, which we are fast approaching.
Just makes it difficult for someone to make a statement and keep it somewhat short, if you have to explain in your statement that you are not supporting the inverse.
I wish we had more fight club. Sometimes I see us a bunch of poo flinging monkeys. There is nothing wrong with that at times (remember the rancher guy threads?), but it gets tiring for longtime but infrequent posters to actually get back in if they have to wade through a line of poo flingers. Many just stop posting, and they actually did add a lot to the place.
pods
Usually happens more around selection season, which we are fast approaching.
There are many solid contributors here at Fight Club.
But we also have our Trolls. Many are amusing and are kept because they do add spice to the site.
What amazes me, however, is that people here do not believe that this site is moderated.
There are two types of moderation.
There is active moderation and passive moderation.
The Kitco Forums, for instance, use both techniques as the Moderators will actively moderate posts and remove the abusers.
They will also use Passive Moderation where the Moderators will use different User IDs and engage in the dialouge. In other words the dialouge is SHILLED. It keeps the dialouge respectful but also restricts what can be expressed.
Just what makes anyone believe that Fight Club is NOT moderated passively amazes me.
We do know that Sacrilege does remove those annoying Spam Posts. (Thank you.)
And I am pleased that the LIBERTY and FREEDOM for expression HERE vastly outweighs that over at Kitco..which I still occasionally frequent. (How is that for an oxymoron?) I enjoy the LIBERTY over here more and that is why I am here.
But FREEDOM is not a license for "low brow, poo flinging" abuse.
Yes "Selection Season", once again, approaches. Hopefully I will make the cut.
I'm a big fan of the Fight Club novel and film.
I just find ironic that Fight Club is probably the most anti-corporate world film and novel in existence, yet we get right-leaning libertarians on here who think the corporate world will save us from the state while simultaneously praising the film.
Too funny.
It's as funny as right-wing Christians who praise the atheist Ayn Rand's economic philosophies, even though their own "savior" preaches charity and vows of poverty, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and the the rich are as likely to get into God's Kingdom as a camel being able to get through the eye of a needle.
Doublethink is very popular on here, let me tell you.
Someone give flacon knee pads so he can show proper respect to Billy Blasio.
The Psy -op appears to be working just as the Bankster / Globalists have planned. While watching from their underground bunkers and secret hideaways in and around China. Fomenting hatred and opposition while they laugh there asses at all those who are getting sucked in. After all it is the year of the sheep
I know even the piggies are divided, wow when this levy breaks it will be epic.
moved
I moved at the right time from NYC. I knew it was all downhill.
One of two things needs to happen here. Either De Blasio needs to resign or the Chief needs to start severely disciplining the men who are turning their backs on him. Docked a week's pay after the first occurrence and then suspended without pay for 30 days after the 2nd occurrence. 3rd time and you're fired. The rest will fall in line after that. We get it, De Blasio is a shitbird communist but the people of NYC elected him and that's what they appear to want in the city and at the state level with gun grabbing Cuomo. Deal with it or quit and move to a free state. It's not as if you're anything but a glorified tax collector in a blue suit and tin badge anyway.
j0nx...wholeheartedly agree.
73% of New Yorkers voted for this communist and I'm sure than included thousands of votes from the NYPD, NYFD, etc...fucking live with it and learn a lesson about what it means to vote.
Exactly! These cops voted for this guy because they knew he was the best choice for their continued salary and pension increases.
deBlasio is a Sandinista cocksucking neoMarxist peice of shyte and it serves that cesspool of a city to get all the bullshit that they are getting from this Al Sharpton butt-buddy.
Fuck deBlasio, shit on him and set his commie fucking ass on fire, (metaophore for all you dick sucking libtards) the little whore.
poor nypd babies...don't get no respect...waaaaaaaaaaahhhhh
If you want respect, you must give respect.
Sending police officers out in gangs to enforce your extortion rackets (cig taxes +) will NOT gain you respect.
this is outrageous. A maior that does not support his police force in murdering civilians. he must resign!
If you show up to a funeral to make a political statement, you're an asshole.
Just stay home.
Which just proves what we all knew.
Yep, talk about hypocrisy. What the fuck do people think Deblaso is doing, was he a family friend, why the fuck is this cocksucker even speaking other than to "make a polictical statement".
Can we just nuke New York already and be done with it?
+1 LOP What the fuck do people think Deblaso is doing?
Can we just nuke New York already and be done with it?
So many ruins of cities have been found below the seas - covered with water & fish (who do not pay taxes) swimming around. I keep hoping and waiting for SF, LA, and NYC to suddenly wake up to the feeling of lateral sliding as NYC turns into a submarine and becomes an octopus playground. But I'm not hopeing too hard as then all the sludge from those places would oooze inward to places that are now free of them.
Yeah, but the cocksucker keeps showing up thinking he's some kind of mayoral god, when in reality, he should be hung in pblic.
Why they have not torn him apart is beyond most.
They're no better than the Westboro Church freaks (who, for all their offensiveness, don't go around murdering, jailing and robbing people.)
Every now and then, the NYT gets something right . . . their editorial (clickable link at the bottom of this article for those without subscriptions) labels them pathetic and virtually spits in their disgusting faces:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/30/nyt-editorial-nypd_n_6395790.html
The banksters need to repay us.
"Mr. de Blasio isn’t going to say it, but somebody has to: With these acts of passive-aggressive contempt and self-pity, many New York police officers, led by their union, are squandering the department’s credibility, defacing its reputation, shredding its hard-earned respect," the board wrote, later calling the back-turning "disgraceful acts" that will be "compounded" if repeated at Liu's funeral. "They have taken the most grave and solemn of civic moments -- a funeral of a fallen colleague -- and hijacked it for their own petty look-at-us gesture."
While The Times did acknowledge the difficulties and dangers facing many officers, the editorial board could not let the Police Department off the hook.
"None of those grievances can justify the snarling sense of victimhood that seems to be motivating the anti-de Blasio campaign -- the belief that the department is never wrong, that it never needs redirection or reform, only reverence," the board wrote.
This is precisely what I concluded. If you are a fascist thug you should at least show some respect for the bereaved.
Ladies and gentlemen, proof-positive that we have jammed our military and police forces with low-IQ failures at every other thing in the world.
Those who can't do, become police. Those who REALLY can't do, enlist in the military, then become police.
Best and brightest indeed.
Half the men in those pictures can't decide which way turn, probably can't tell their own ass from the face.
Dennenger had a good write comparing the fatality rate of cops to other occupatons. Even truck drivers and garbage men have twice the risk of death compared to cops.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=229703
Think about it: the cops are not afraid to express their true opinion about the mayor publicly. Would it have anything to do with the fact that they have a right to keep and bear arms?
Think about the attitudes expressed by the Cops.
If the Cops do not respect the Mayor because "he does not respect us", and, if the American Public does not respect the cops (because they slaughter unarmed assailants, burn up children, rape motorists, violate Civil Rights,etc.), then it follows that the cops will have no respect for the American citizen as well (which is demonstrable by that same OVERWHELMING EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE of malfeasance under Color of Authority which is splashed across the Digital Media.).
That official statement by the NYPD was a declaration that they will not give the public any respect, whatsoever, and is a de facto Declaration of War against the public.
And as the leadership of the Fraternal Order of Police supporting this position by the NYPD then you can be assured that this Declaration of War is NATIONWIDE.
Well IEDs are necessary to take out APCs. Guns will not work against overwhelming and armored forces. The Iraqis and Afghanis figured that out. Your guns are useless against this.
Rockets are necessary to take out Armored Helicopters. Your guns, unless high caliber and fully auto, are generally useless.
The question remains, Will YOU figure that out before it is too late?
(They need not take away your guns. They just need superiority in weaponry in order to prevail.)
tall tom, hope you are well..the fall of society will not be about guns, or modern weapons..it will be about limits of deception, confidence in governments and fiat money, and limits of freedom, esp mental health.
you are right not to take em head on, if it comes to that..the knock on your door means you have already lost.
asymetric thinking will be needed. kinda like the half hearted attempt of that sniper in PA. lets hope we die in bed free men.
C. Dorner showed us the way.
Anyone remember?
The supposedly "unbeatable gods of war" were shitting themselves and shooting everything in sight.
How many people did it take to take him down?
You see an un-winnable situation, I see their fear. GL to you and yours.
How did a Sandy Hook victim end up mourned as dying in the recent Pakistan school attack?
20,000 Ebola cases later…
HR 428 sponsors to increase pressure for release of 9/11 Commission’s 28 classified pages
Eek, that is nuts that a dead kid from Newtown died in Pakistan too.
The Matrix is becoming more and more apparent.
pods
diblasio is from the obama school....obama launched his career in the livingroom of a guy who blew up federal buildings trying to kill cops.....these guys HATE cops.....what did anyone expect?
..cops turning on a NYC mayor is a sign of the beginning of betrayal of major segments of our security state on our masters ..sons turning on fathers ..the symbols the archtypes are all around us, child molesters at the highest levels (brit royalty, american royalty-clinton-wall street tycoons) are in the head lines today ..
eyes wide shut will be burned open. too late for most. when our troops and cia nsa rank and file turn thier backs on congressmen and presidents - HLS will join or they will act - a power struggle of the security state.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-been-secretly-filmed-...
I disagree. The police are mad at de blasio because he sided with regular people. What you say may be true in other cases.
""We are public servants. We are not public enemies.
We were public servants. We are now public enemies.
Fixed it.
It bee all 'bout repeck.
I'm guessing the Thugs with long criminal records and who were out on bail and beat this poor professor to death didn't have respect either:
http://www.wncn.com/story/26102558/2-arrested-in-chapel-hill-robbery-hom...
Where's Al? Barry ? Eric "Fast & Furious" Holder?
Look at all these people on the streets! What a disgrace - where are the police in riot gear breaking limbs and gassing folk to break up the crowd?
Maybe LEOs should stop voting in Communist Democrats who don't give a dam about your welfare.
And take a lower pension. NEVER !!
Well, I'm generally not for privatizing any workforce, but privatizing the police force would go a long way towards reducing cronyism and police brutality. If cops knew they'd have to pay for their own legal defense, maybe they'd think twice before shooting or beating up someone. Make them pay for their own retirement, bailing out their underfunded pension plans is costing the taxpayers too much. And send them to the exchanges to purchase ObamaCare without any federal subsidies, their Cadillac plans have also been a huge drain on the taxpayer.
-1
You obviously have never dealt with rent-a-cops before.
+1
These pig pensions need to go. They need to invest their retirements in the rigged casino like the rest of us sheep, instead of shaking us down with petty fines to fund their bloated pensions.
These photos are closed cropped. Wider shots show only a minority of cops with the backs to the mayor.
These policemen are tone deaf. They are making it far worse.
I guess just quitting wasn't an option. Fuck the thugs in costumes.
If they quit, they become normal civilians and are subject to being choked to death by a person in uniform.
...and they have to pay for their own lawyers. The horror of being a regular citizen is just too much for them.
"Police have No Respect For Us or the Law. Why should we respect them?"
Should be he headline for all major news outlets. Til the Blue Wall crumbles and police start to hold their own accountable to the rule of law as the same standards they hold the public to, I see no reason to care about the headline quote.
Public servants who have no problem treating the plebs like criminals. Seems like many cops are clueless.
Where were the rank and file and Dept Heads when it was decieded that the general public has no right to bear arms. All while under the little man's helm to current time. All that runs for leadership are anti's.
NYPD had no problem raping the privacy and dignity of the citizens who pay their salaries with more than 6 million stop-and-frisks since 9/11. No NYPD cop protested that. Every NYPD cop had a quota for stop-and-frisk. But not one protested the violation of the Constitution more than 6 million times.
A little bit of criticism over heavy-handed tactics that have resulted in deaths and the poor darlings are offended.
The NYPD is totally out of control. And an insult to every citizen who pays their salaries and generous retirement benefits.
And, absolutely no one seems to mind when they receive their heavy handed Gestapo training from the PURE Evil Criminal Psychopaths at the CIA, DHS & IDF.
It's for your safety!
Fuck 'em.
Did I mention the Bananna Republic part yet!?!?!
F*CK, Whiny little Bitchez. I'm not a tough guy, but look you chose a Job or Career... you know certain things. You know if you are police you fight and you don't know when you get hit and have to fight. You are not ever going to have full armor, you can't do your job with full armor, and armored vehicles are too expensive for every cop to drive an MRAP.
- It is not just Politics by Police in NYC, they aren't all Republican or whatever
- Could be that as a New Mayor, Whatz-his-name, should have stressed and started sentences with praise for Police, that would have been Leadership
- I don't know De Blasio or why he would take that name
Question: How can mass police feel disrespect by Mayor if by Rumor or Hearsay??
Answer: Like all Government Employees Police have plenty of time to pass Rumors, and cut on anyone at all. It could be the current generation of Cops in NYC are gun hating, Individual Rights Hating, Privacy Hating,.... Millennials
Maybe the Cops in NYC are spoiled Union-Millenial-Types that couldn't fight a gang without complaining it was uncalled for??!!
Yes, the Millenials, always the Millenials...
The Millenials, who, at their oldest, are turning 35 this year.
Stop trying to string together sentences - you might hurt yourself and blame the Millenials.
Sorry man. I might be the first Millennial but older by 20 years. No Sorry I am thinking I am like a Millennial, but am a Baby Boomer (almost). Look, Life Sucks. I was caught up. I was fucked. Maybe I should be citing the Y Generation, the X Generation...
Gen X = early 1960s to the early 1980s
Millenials = early 1980s to the early 2000s.
But as the oldest Millennial, I invoke the rule of Elder. I can Criticize and I have lots of things to tell about life.
The Conversation is about how different Generations have failed. Give me some time I'll tell you how the Grey-haired & White-haired generation ignored us and never wanted to give up power. They never wanted to initiate us into the business or the enterprise or into government leadership
The white-hairs wanted power and to hold power, so they made their bed. They provided no one to succeed themselves. End of Country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory
- Timing of generations and turnings
- An average life is 80 years, and consists of four periods of ~20 years
Disclosure: I am too old to be a Millennial. I'm Gen X.
You need not have stood down.
Read my response to that whining, sniveling, entitlement mentality, juvenile which follows...
He is a autofellator as not even a fag would suck his dick.
He needs to get a fucking job.
(Now I will get a litany of BULLSHIT that he is employed, or a business owner, or some such crap as he writes from Mommy's basement.)
Wow. Auto-fellatio. That is a certain category for sure.
Thanks. I play off that I am Young(a bit), but have military service, other significant experience, and... well I relate to the younger generation since I had a hard time with hard core Veterans, Lifers. I don't know if anyone here actually knows lifers in the Military. But my sympathy is wrapped up in the fact that military lifers are not flexible, can't manage people, and ostracize people that are different.
So I try to help with social issues.
But my sympathy is wrapped up in the fact that military lifers are not flexible, can't manage people, and ostracize people that are different.
Like anything else - depends on the mileage and individual mileage may (WILL) differ. As a Navy vet (VN) from a family of Navy vets (WW II through Sand Box). I can say I had good petty officers and bad petty officers, good officers and dipwits. I learned to deal with the bad ones, and work with the good ones. Put 'em in a big bag, shake it up, buy your ticket and take your chances.
I considered my greatest achievment in the Service was after I got out I heard that a subordinate in my Div shipped over... the LAST person I'd have expected to hear that about. His "reason"? He said that he wanted to stay in and become a petty officer like I had been - to make the Navy better. If all the good Petty Officers got out... do the math.
I'm thinkng that the NYPD may be a lot like the military in some ways. You'll have good cops and bad cops. Lazy cops and eager beavers, smart cops and dumb cops... ie they're people.
People in organizations like the military and PDs NEED leadership. DeBlassio isn't a leader. He's a politician. So the "petty officers" need to step up and fill the leadership gaps. It's not really the "Mayor" who's failing the NYPD - it's the internal leadership structure - the Sgts. and lower ranking officers who have worked their way up the chain of command who are letting the troops/PD down here. To me what I'm seeing in the papers and on the TV is a picture of structural collapse... and that's a bad thing. I'm thinking that the Union is probably partly to blame because they probably treat the PD like any other employer instead of a unique organization... but that's a dissertation not a comment.
But what is REQUIRED at ALL levels is respect. Doesn't matter if they really have it - they must at least show a form of it, ESPECIALLY in public. A cop doesn't like the leadership? Bitch about them after work like welders and steelworkers do. But when I was a (union) steel worker we did NOT bitch about the bosses on the job or in public.Why are the NYPD people dong this?
Don't they realise that displaying disrespect of their superiors in public lowers the public's respect of them? Guess not.
NYPD? Fix yourself. You're broken.
Textbook response.
Cops generally start their careers at the age of 20 and retire by the age of 45 with a Full Pension.
That EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE will suggest that many, if not most, are currently Millenials.
Well the crooked cops that Serpico blew the whistle on were in the Silent Generation.
This generation warfare has no place in this discussion because the NYPD has historically been corrupt.
Every bartender and drug dealer and pimp paying protection to a nypd "officer" should come forward now.
These arrogant, taxpayer money sucking up cunts.
Memento Serpico.
Find one cop who has as much blood on his hands as the President of the US.
Did the cops on the street decide to militarize OR those in power above them?
There are some bad apples in the barrel as we have seen, but that does not mean all police are bad.
Holy commonsense, Batman!
Bullshit I come from a police family and laws are for everyone else.
They protect their own, and in doing so are no better than any other criminal.
The mafia doesn't break ranks, either . . . just like the Blue Line so sickly represented in those funeral pics, which remind me of Stalin's exhibitions in Red Square, btw. We're not even getting a single interview of one goddamn cop who speaks up against the cop party line here. Think about that for a minute. There aren't too many places where not even one person can be persuaded to speak their mind and say the right thing for their five minutes of fame.
The mafia is the best model for understanding the NYPD--or any PD--that I know of.
Duh, just following orders, duh. You prove how dumb cops are. I'll say it again...If you work in a filthy, corrupt, criminal organization, guess what? You're filthy, corrupt, and criminal. END OF STORY.
aaaaaand come springtime, you'll follow YOUR orders and pay The Man in order to finace further militarization of those same order following cops, now won't you?
see a pattern?
Speak for yourself dipshit. Sounds like you got enough of your own problems to be worrying about my perceived problems with the man(no need for capitalization if you are not FEARFUL).
The gov't should rethink militarizing the police if they are turning on the admin that's giving them the hardware
As usual the cops have it wrong, again. They don't "work" for the mayor but are servants of the citizenry and now you know why they need pep rallies and to turn their backs on the mayor; their esteem by the public at large is plummeting and with good reason. Quit already!
Look at ALL that PIG FAT who earned their waist sizes on the back of false or petty convictions.
When their BankerCorpPolitico bosses face the music they will follow.
Amnesties will go to those who give evidence against these fuckers and believe me to save their hides they will squeal like the swine they are big time.
Apologies to the real farm pigs for the reference.
Police. Nothing more for an disgusting excuse for human existence.
Cops are so fucking dumb.
Giuliani Rips De Blasio : This ‘Would Never, Ever Have Happened While I Was Mayor Of NYC!’ Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani Slammed Current Mayor Bill De Blasio And The Obama Administration
http://investmentwatchblog.com/giuliani-rips-de-blasio-this-would-never-...
Giuliani is a piece of shit.
"Giuliani is a piece of shit."
Of the most repellant kind. For one who knows full well what happened on 9/11 but went out of his way to buddy up with the organizers afterwards.
When the leadership starts to lose the support of their paid for "legions" - then their days are numbered
Thanks for reinforcing the rhetoric DUMBO.
Every time a COP is murdered, a kitten is spayed or neutered.
+1 balls and humor.
You've got me in a choke-hold. I can't tell if I should vote up for the sarcasm or down for the thought... : )
'Cause it's your fucking JOB dumbo. Don't like your job? Quit.
Have you notice the NYPD is not enforcing the laws that generate revenue for the city?
Have you noticed that the Democrat National Convention my not be in NYC?
Have you noticed the number of people moving out of the city is increasing?
Have you noticed that the cops no longer live in the city. They along with the rest of middle class can't afford it. Just the susidized poor and the ultra rich.
New York is getting exactly the police force it voted for. Enjoy.
This is just pathetic. You'd think the mayor had been shouting "Kill all pigs" with how butthurt the NYPD is acting. Just another union power play. "We gotta teach dis mayah a lesson so nobody evah tinks to question dah NYPD again."
No doubt "concessions" will be required to get these brats to actually do their job again.
Being police -- literally half as dangerous as being a farmer, 1/10 as dangerous as being a fisherman.
Costumed Clowns
In a radio interview, Frank Serpico stated that roughly 75% of the NYPD was corrupt....that was in the 70's. This scenario is not common and unless it is repeated by a serial aggressor then suspicious in my book. Why don't they speak out about the folly of governmental policies that nourishes the social decay and crime? Nope, that is good for the budget.
. . . and ALL the Piglets sang ' ain't gonna work on Barry's farm no more '
Get down on it PIG.
As a social class, men attracted to police work are always the first to sign up to goose-step for das Fuhrer.
It's no accident that police hiring practices revolve around the observation that lower I.Q.s provide a higher "job satisfaction" quotient.
He'll send the army in to turn them around and nail their feet to the sidewalk.
He probably would if they weren't all on the VA Hospital waiting list for new limbs and suicide counseling.
It's not respect the cops are after, it's submission...from everyone.
That's pretty cool you know hundreds of thousands of cops to know their intentions so well. Otherwise, you're just another idiot in line with other idiots who lump a million people together and claim some aspect or truth that is actually completely false.
Stop straying from the script! The union approved response is: "there are a few bad apples".
If DeBlasio was passing out free steroids you can bet those cops would turn around!
If he is a Liberal: Is he 4 Hookers & Blow?
- Shit he might actually win over the whole city, everyone one likes work, if there is more hookers & Blow then more need for Cops, and the Cops there ...might be inclined to take part in the Libations
- So we might see a return to 1970s New York City just as all trends seem to return... 1970s drugs, 1980s drug gangs, ... then 2010 Drugs, 2020 Drug Gangs.
Mine resistant vehicles? WTF?!
So you have to shape charges to penetrate the armor. Big deal. It is not that hard...if you have Engineering skills.
All you have to know is the velocity of your explosive, the tensile strength of Metal that will penetrate the armor , and have a Casing that will withstand and direct the charge.
Can you design weapons? How good are your Engineering Skills?
Not that good?
That's okay. No problem...
Well simple land mines, poison gases, rockets and mortars will take out personnel whom are not in the vehicle. (These simple devices are so much easier to fabricate.) It is at this time that enemy forces are most vunerable to affective engagement. They must leave that vehicle sooner, or, later. The fabrication of simple weaponry can be accomplished with minimal expense for optimal results. You can win by the overwhelming numbers acheived in production of the simple weaponry.
How much does an APC cost? How much does 100 IEDs cost? Warfare is economic after all.
If I can spend $100 to destroy a $1,000,000 machine then I win that exchange.
Hell the German Technology in World War II was vastly superior to that of the Allied Forces. The ME 262 was a Fighter Jet. We were still deploying Prop Driven Fighters. Yet the Allies were able to overwhelm the German Forces by the numbers of units which we produced.
So you attack when they are most vunerable. Determine the weaknesses and exploit them. Overwhelm the enemy by the numbers.
You must think asymmetrically as direct engagement is suicide. That will be the affective strategy if it comes down to a Civil War.
WHILE I DO NOT LIKE WARFARE I DO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
And I am not suggesting that we go to Civil War as it will be a bloodbath. But you had best prepare as it seems to be headed in that direction.
Whom needs a gun? They are useless.
Thousands of dead firefighters are crying for justice from their graves because USA USA USA cleaned up the evidence (eg molten steel) shipped it all to China, then pursued the wrong guys after 9/11.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVFwkAMd2-k
Surviving cops and firefighters sit silent to this day.
Sorry, despite this "turn your backs on the mayor" drama they're all cowards.
Oh jeez. A truther.
As if the truth is something to be ridiculed???
Get off my porch.
I support the police. Period.
It is turning into a thankless job. They often have to deal with idiots like the ones on this forum, that ask for protection and crime control -- and yet would slit your throat given the chance.
Cops are entitled to the same Constitutional protections as everyone else. You can't call yourself a "patriot" and demand your rights while denying someone else theirs. The courts looked at both the recent Missouri case and the NY case and found a lack of probable cause for an arrest of the officers.
When you rob a store and then attack a cop -- things might not work out for the felon. When you break the law, and refuse to submit peaceable to a lawful arrest, officers will have to overcome that resistance. That is what we as a society, ask them to do on our behalf. If you are hurt or accidently die during a lawful arrest, it's the arrestee's fault -- not the cops.
Our systems of law enforcement, justice and oversight work. Are they perfect? No. But they are the best in the world.
Speaking of idiots...
you heard the call?
No. But you most certainly did.
Read his previous post. He believes that truth is something to be ridiculed whereas most moral people rejoice in the truth...no matter how dismal or abysmal which it may be.
People whom celebrate lies, or the people whom support lies, ARE THE IDIOTS.
They are generally CRIMINALS...like YOU.
Man-Bear-Pig is trying to be like MillionDollarBonus, but at least MDB is funny.
Did you up-vote yourself?
There are thousands of viewers. The voting system is statistically insinificant.
I agree. Not only is voting here statistically insignificant but participating in any election statistically insignificant as your vote does not count.
That is the reason that the system which you support is as flawed as it is. There is NO REPRESENTATION and MASSIVE TAXATION.
And that is why your state will fail.
Hey, Simple Jack. Lots of us dont need pigs to protect us. We know they cant, and that additionally that isnt their job. Their job is to control (us) and protect (the state). When a cop chunks a grenade into the crib of a 2-year-old in Georgia, the cops aren't going to get much respect. In fact, they are likely to stir up hostility.
This Bares Thinking. Good Call.
We need to face Politicians with the fact that they are funding things for their own Political Careers (nothing else).
Excuse me if I talk bluntly.
- Follow up
- Monitoring
- Auditing
- Performance Evaluation related to Funding & Federal OR State Mission
- Re-Evaluation of State & Federal & County Mission Statements
- Tracking of Police Actions & Decisions... Did they end up making a difference in the Right way, did they end up hobbling Black Males, White Males, Youth??
- The facts are the Private Prison System has Grown by 1000%
- Since the War on Drugs we have Increased Prison Populations by 400% at least
- Crime is not reduces by creating criminals of those that smoke pot or use illegal drugs
- Imprisonment ruins men or women, and the Youth are ruined, we make useless people that are dependent on family or friends for food & shelter... they often end up trained in crime and career gang or criminal offenders...
Prison makes slaves or reinforces a criminal class. Don't imprison drug users or prostitutes. Fina a why to keep citizens out of prison, lower prison costs, and get these people to work, earn wages, and rent apartments...
teeth, you think it can be saved, you are too old to understand .."reptile like" sociopaths have polluted everything, justice system, economic system, elections, msm..prisons populations are a result of this polluted society. your fixes are useless when there is no justice..2008 not a single person brought to justice, infact the criminals gave themselves a reward (paulson) thanks to the fed and sec and that sniveling lap dog bush and his spineless sec head c cox.
Unfortunate you are right. It cannot be saved. Perhaps some vestiges which are productive may be salvaged.
As long as the people refuse to KNOW JUSTICE then there will be NO JUSTICE.
As for the people? Hell...Can you believe that 59% are so malignantly psychopathic that they support torture?
It is a lost cause.
You and Al Sharpton should get together and compare IQs. Seriously, everyone has a grievence against every race, creed, nationality, gender, etc. when you CHOOSE to group thousands or millions of people into one single entity. You have literally as much of a point as black radicals who think white people need to apologize to them.
speedking, keep reading you may yet learn what ZH is all about.. the root for most of us is that the law is used as a weapon- and by real criminals - respect for police & judges & DA's who do not care that those above them -the elite of the world- use those laws and cops to rule us all..wake up. 2008 awakened many of us to the corruption that police everywhere are supporting. I think you are a good person, but you are afraid to go deeper into the rabbit hole.
It's pretty sad seeing some of the people on this forum. The things that are said are those of people who make this world a worse place. They think they're libertarian freedom fighters, but no actual intelligent forefather of thier chosen political thought would look at them with much more than disdain.
I think they're confused in thinking that supporting well meaning individuals who have a thankless and incredibly difficult job means they're supporting facism. Which, I'm also blaming on low IQ in general. When an article comes on ZeroHedge about some EBT mishap and people start acting like animals, commenters rightly call them out. However, many are truly on the same level of animalistic behavior and mentality.