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Precious Metals Dealer To Pay Employees In Bitcoin Even As "Go-To" Bitcoin Exchange Is Massively Hacked
Earlier today, a small Denver-based precious metals dealer AmagiMetals announced something curious: it would paid its staff in Bitcoin. As it reported in its press release, "its entire staff will voluntarily accept a portion of individual employee paychecks in Bitcoin in 2015 through a new service called Bitwage. CEO of Amagi Metals Stephen Macaskill said the company is taking this action to advance its ability to function fully in Bitcoin going forward. Macaskill will accept $40,000 of his annual salary in bitcoin to demonstrate his support of Bitcoin."
The announcement came on the heels of Amagi Metals’ August 2014 decision to no longer accept U.S. Dollars after 2016.
Whether it is a marketing gimmick, or the PM dealer is one of the few companies to put its (electronic) money where its ideological mouth is, and press for a world without dollar intermediation remains to be seen. However, for the sake of its employees we hope they did not put any part of their bonuses in the Bitstamp exchange which as we learned overnight, was the next big Bitcoin exchange to suffer a major hack following the now defunct Mt. Gox, and where a little over $5 million in bitcoins were stolen.
According to Wired, early Monday, a UK- and Slovenia-based bitcoin exchange Bitstamp announced that it would be going offline while it investigated a security compromise of some portion of its stored currency that occurred over the weekend. In a statement to WIRED, the company said that “less than 19,000? bitcoins were stolen in the attack—about $5.1 million dollars—and warned users to immediately stop making deposits to any addresses it issued before 4 a.m. ET Monday. Meanwhile, Bitstamp users’ money remains frozen in the company’s accounts.
“Bitstamp takes our security and soundness very seriously,” reads a statement on the company’s website. “In an excess of caution, we are suspending service as we continue to investigate. We will return to service and amend our security measures as appropriate.”
Taking a cue from insolvent Europe, the exchange immediately rushed to define what it is by clarifying what it isn't: Bitstamp is not Mt. Gox. Just don't tell that to those were digitally corzined.
The company also tried to reassure users in its statement that they’re not facing a Gox-level debacle. Only the exchange’s “operational wallet” was compromised, it says, a fraction of coins that are frequently bought and sold. Careful exchanges (and users) keep the majority of their bitcoins in “cold storage,” on computers without any connection to the Internet to prevent their theft. “As a security precaution against compromises Bitstamp only maintains a small fraction of customer bitcoins in online systems,” the company’s statement reads. “Bitstamp maintains more than enough offline reserves to cover the compromised bitcoins.”
Bitstamp’s chief executive Nejc Kodri? wrote on Twitter: “My sincerest apologies to those who are affected by our service being temporary suspended.” He continued, “Thank you all for your patience. We are working diligently to restore service and hope to have an ETA later today.”
In a followup email to WIRED Monday afternoon, Kodri? added that the company is cooperating with law enforcement to get to the bottom of the hack, and is “working to transfer a secure backup of the Bitstamp site onto a new safe environment and will be bringing this online in the coming days.”
Bitstamp is far from Bitcoin’s biggest exchange; prior to its suspension it accounted for only about 6 percent of transactions according to bitcoin statistics site Bitcoin Charts. But it had become one of the longest-lived and reputable ways to buy and sell currency in bitcoin’s volatile economy. After Mt. Gox’s bankruptcy, Bitstamp became a popular alternative to top exchanges BTC China, based in China’s uncertain regulatory environment, and BTC-e, a mysterious operation run by unknown owners thought to be based in Bulgaria.
“We’re the backbone of the entire Bitcoin industry,” Kodri? told Forbes last year in an interview. “The wallet services, ATM machines, mining companies all rely on us. The price of Bitcoin is the de facto price on Bitstamp. We’re the go-to exchange.”
Its temporary shutdown due to the theft of a still-unknown number of coins could rattle bitcoin at a bad time. On Monday morning bitcoin’s price hovered below $270, its lowest since 2013 and down from $375 just a month ago. If Bitstamp doesn’t quickly emerge from its downtime and replace any lost coins, cryptocurrency’s new year could be off to a unpleasant start.
Of course, the Bitcoin advocates will tell you that this hack couldn't possibly have happened and that all those digital monetary equivalents stored "safely" in some hard disk are still there and are a viable alternative to either the fiat in your bank account or the physical gold and silver stored... somewhere else.
In retrospect it is becoming increasingly clear that the collapse of the fiat system will not come from the outside where incidents such as this one do nothing to boost confidence in monetary alterantives, but from within, i.e., the central banks themselves. Then again, since we now live in a world in which only currency devaluation serves to inflate the perception of nominal wealth (recall that in a few short weeks the world will be en route to monetize a record $1.3 trillion in 2015), giving central bankers the key to terminal fiat destruction may be the best option available.
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LOL...
Let me be clear. When fraud is the status quo, possession is 100% of the law...
FUCK YEAH BUH BITCOIN BITCHEZ!!
More interesting will be to see the IRS' reaction to this. How is this "employer" planning on dealing with "withholding" on the virtual portion of the salary? In what form will the employment taxes on this declared "salary" be remitted to the Government? (Since he's stated that this is "a portion of their salary," and it is not in fact stock compensation or options, he DOES owe employment taxes on the amounts paid, and they WILL be coming after him to collect it. Moreso for the State of Colorado, I'm sure - Our governments on the East Coast are friendly enough, but there are enough Californians living in Colorado that I'm sure it's a miserable place to do business.)
As much as I respect bold moves like this, dealing with "they who have the power to take what is yours" doesn't usually work out to the little guy's advantage.
EDIT: Of course, if he's dealing with offshore "contractors," then that's fair game. It's the notion that he's paying salaries to US Citizens within the United States where this becomes a Big F'in Deal to the suited peeps at the Treasury.
That's awesome. That guy will uh, be a happy hacker yeah! 18,000 BTC! Woohoo! All the haX0ring, the crashing, the soaring, the governmenting, the banning, the pumping!
This is the nectar of the virtual life!!
I got an RFID chip implanted in my left utter to accept BTC payment.
Mark of the bovine beast!
The bitcoin system was not hacked, it has not been hacked once in it's lifetime and is completely secure.
Bitstamp the company was hacked, and as a result of that hack some of their bitcoins were stolen.
In the world of bitcoin possession is 100% of what constitutes ownership. Possession of bitcoin means possession of the keys to an address. This is what bitstamp lost when they were hacked.
If someone robs a gold dealer and steals some gold coins, do you say that the concept of physical possession of gold is broken or that gold was hacked? No. You say that gold dealer got robbed and should have had better security, well the same is true in this case.
2015 will be the year clueless journalists will stop misinform clueless masses that whenever bitcoin company gets hacked BITCOIN GETS HACKED.
Sounds like a great way to get rid of a useless currency alternative and at the same time fuck all your employees over. Yeah for shitcoin!
Crypto currency is crap.
I don't normally say anything this dogmatically, but tempus fugit.
What you don't have in hand, you soon won't have.
Presenting the average retard.
Can you hold the internet in your hand?
Bitcoin is a ponzi scheme. Who is the greater fool?
Yawn , that is so 2011. Next it will be a Tulip , but that line went out in 2012.
Yawn, this time is different. I've got to keep up with the new fraud of the day.
zaphod, while your above statements are true enough, the mere hope and salvation you afford bitcoin is not. All bitcoin loyalist need to grasp the concept that all the properties that make bitcoin the second coming for said loyalist, is all so its undoing, in so far as it perfect encryption can be replicated an infinite number of times through an infinite number of other alt coins. Ergo, its appeal to value is capped by the utter number of replacement possibilities. Riddle me this? Why would I pay you $250 for a bitcoin, with any hope of a further price rise, let alone a price decline, when i could just as well purchase 1000 bit-fuckmeintheass-coins for the same price, with all the exact same attributes as bitcoin. Literally indistinguishable from bitcoin other than by name. acceptability is merely a formality, just ask amx, visa, discover, m/c, etc. It doesn't matter, its all just pushin didgits through a wire. There is certainly a place for the crypto currency, problem is, it needs to be so lowly valued as to make all of the alt coins complimentary to one another, rather than in compitition, while also not punishing the late comer and not rewarding the early adapter. Its the only way it will work. Don't hold too tightly to your bitcoin dream, less you and the other loyalist will end up only being able to trade amongst yourselves.
Bitcoin = freedom
Bitcoin is the longest, most trusted chain with the code scrutinized by the most peers and with the biggest and most secure network, and accepted by the most merchants and have the most utility among other crypto. This is called network effect.
Why do you pay 1200USD for your gold for storing it in your drawer?
Bitcoin is digital money, you can safekeep it, so no opressor can take it from you, meanwhile it can be readily sent anywhere on the planet without dealing with middlemen.
It cannot be counterfeited, and the whole system is transparent.
That is for the market to decide. If the market wants to diffuse value into a million altcoins, so be it. I don't think us market participants want that.
One should also consider the liquidity and the relative strength of each coin's mining network.
If you have USD $100 and the countries of Zimbabwe, Somalia, Liberia and Niger suddenly increased their money supply by 10x,you and your $100 would not be affected. If a newly formed government were to appear and create a new currency, the value of your $100 would not be affected. Think of Bitcoin as the dollar and any new "altcoin" as currencies of third world economies.
Bovine-reup
It's actually boob, err been proto -titted, err, typed.
http://www.katherinealbrecht.com/blog/sensors-fitted-in-silicon-teats/
This lady is titelating herself, smart, sexy, and a survivor.
http://www.wired.com/2009/12/search-engine-privacy/
Yeah uh fuck you fonestar. Good thing you were spotted and removed quickly this time around.
foneystar..... what a pathetic POS.
Notice only 40K of his annual... hmm what a pussie, if Bitcoin was the real deal they would go ALL IN. Just thinking about a sun flare or EMP that would wipe out evey bitcoin pixel. Who's setting next to Bernie Madolf now.
It is highly unlikely that scores of copies of the Bitcoin blockchain are not already snug and safe in their EMP hardened faraday cages. I believe one can also print the block chain on paper. If the the grid goes down worldwide we'd have much bigger issues to worry about.
to see the IRS' reaction to this.
FUCK the agents of Mordor.
Easy to say, until Mordor turns its eye to you.
It's easier to respect the law (and use every loophole available within to minimize your exposure to tax).
Bow down and worship!
And, I hasten to add... FUCK the law.
It is better to walk around the legal maze undetected, whenever possible. Blitzkreig.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-14-21.pdf
2014 massive flag down, now to the m00000000(n)!
NICE, thanks for the post, SC. I forgot they issued a notice about virtual currencies already. So there you go, it's not "income" that needs withholding, it's "property" from which the receipient will have to calculate gains. Much like stock-based compensation. Not bad, I guess, so long as the employees don't mind "holding on" to their "gains" until they become "long-term."
If you accept a new car, as an example, in lieu of dollars as payment from your employer you'll still need to pay taxes on the cars' value as income. (Same as winning a new car on a game show.)
So it will be income in that sense to the IRS, as I understand it as a layman who is not giving any legal advice.
Speaking of gains.....Here's how the government intends to confiscate your gold/silver. By confiscating all the profit you make selling it.
http://www.fool.com/how-to-invest/personal-finance/taxes/2014/02/21/capi...
Not sure it will be that challenging. The IRS has already stated that virtual currencies would be treated as property. All owed to the IRS would have to be paid in dollars.
Yep, SC reminded me about that above - Guess that simplifies things.
Overexposed: The article says the Metals Dealers is using a service called Bitwage. Bitwage takes care of all the questions you just asked in a seemless service
https://www.bitwage.co/product
BTC was $950 a year ago, now under $300. That chart looks worse all the time.
Where is the fonestar brigade?
fonestar is with you!
and also with you!
Yet another new handle?
Fuck me....lol.
If you strike fonestar down, he shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
Then he'll get struck down again, and then he'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine again, and then he'll get struck down again, and then he'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine again...
We collect the junk! We use it build statue of Satoshi!
Aha, so fonestar is like inverse bitcoin.
The Kramer of bitcoin if you will. The stronger he becomes, the worse bitcoin does.
pods
I'll say it. I want a t-shirt with Fonestar's old avatar "Fonestar rules" beneath
I can't believe I'm saying this..................... his name was Fonestar
Oh dear God! Dogbreath...No!
Well, come to think of it, we are going into the Year of the Goat. May be his time has come.
Miffed;-)
I just came back to delete that...............damn woman..
That's why I jumped on it so fast! I knew you'd have a change of heart.
We womenz are evillll I tell you.......just evvviiilll. Stay away from us! Save yourself from our clutches. We will drain your essences if given a chance.
Why do you guys keep coming back??
Miffed;-)
Draining our essences is why we get married, come to think of it...
Why do you guys keep coming back??
Well, she gave me three great kids, that keeps me in her web. Plus she's a first rate partner and still a corker at fifty. In all fairness: best decision I ever made was asking her to marry me twenty years ago. Sounds corny, right? But there you have it.
"Why do you guys keep coming back??"
OH MY, you are truly evil !!!
I rather miss fonestar. Sure with pity and all, but you gotta hand it to him, he was committed... well, maybe not now, assuming he hasn't offed himself an account of his mal-investment in bitcoin.
Perhaps he really was committed. But yeah, he could be entertaining.
They call it "fight club" which I guess means these little bitchez can't even deal with one virtual man like fonestar!
You are like a naked crazy person who busts into a party pissing on people while running around yodeling.
Or that guy in the Silence of the Lambs:
"I bit my wrist, look at the blood!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edQ1cOkDujU
Spiderman that Hoe!
pods
Looks like banhammer has already struck if you click on his user name.
Awh, the world needs naked crazy people now more than ever! Oh well, onward to the future. Bit coins are probably becoming too inefficient to compete long term. Bitcoins did cause a ton of inovation though. I agree its not going to change everybody's worlds but some of it, especialy the exchanges like the one that got hacked above, is going to influance more than a few businesses. FX and remittance payments are high on the list. The exchanges are the interesting part, they are parts of a distributed trade ledgering system that's open and open source. That's the important part of the the rise and fall of bitcoin. I wouldn't write that idea off just yet. From what I read on some forums, I wouldn't write Bitstamp off yet either. But yeah buy gold and take me with you to New Zealand when ya go....bitchez.
You came back for another beating. LETS GET READY TO RUMMMMMBLE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZfg1Gtcg08
Look at the 2 year chart instead.
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd
The 1D chart...
I should probably sell what I have. But it isn't a lot and why not ride it out and see where it goes. I am not going to lose anything. Not really anyways.
I called 266 bottom about 9 months ago. 2014 was painful. I have very high hopes for 2015.
Maybe 266. I see it going lower than that. I still believe long term it goes up. That is if everything doesn't go out in a flash of light...
That 2 year chart will look very different in a couple of months. What argument will you copy then?
Right on cue a downvote without a reply. The BTC 2 year chart starting around the middle of februari 2013 will show you what they dare not reply to. The truth is getting harder and harder to hide for these people. God they must feel fucking awful by now.
We are busy buying the fucking dip. ;)
What did P.T. Barnum say?
Yeah, and that dealer would get a big fuck you from me. A hard currency dealer paying in virtual play money. Fuck you pal.
The "play money" putting in hard bottom at $280. Now we go back up to the moons. And you "dollar' is the play money goof!
Been hearing the bottom is in all the way down from $1,200.
Been hearing "Bitcoin is dead" since 25 cents!
Let me get this straight: A precious metals dealer paying its employees in Bitcoin.
Hmmmm...
Here's a thought:
How about paying your employees in PRECIOUS METALS???!!!!!
"How about paying your employees in PRECIOUS METALS???!!!!!"
Come on man you are trying to use logic in this very strange world. You should know better than that. If things weren't already strange enough, Fonestar has reappeared in another of his guises for fuck's sake. Not a good omen.
This time he is some kind of bovine character. Fitting for a BS artist. I guess Tyler got tired of hearing him as Goatfucker or whatever his last incarnation was.
I think he was also Bunga Dim.
bitcoiners be trollin'
Precious metals suck when it comes to transacting.
Exactly. What's next? GM's HR department offering Ford company cars to its staff?
What would possibly give you the idea that BTC and PMs are enemies?
They are natural compliments!
Call me old fashioned, but that remains to be seen.
Call me old fashioned, but that remains to be seen.
And in the meanwhile you need to ridicule Bitcoin?
Well, let's put it his way: in 2014 Bitcoin was one of the worst performing currencies in the market. That might have something to do with me not putting too much trust in it.
Bitcoin is not a currency. To view bitcoin solely as a currency is to miss the point.
Bitcoin is a communications protocol designed to acheive consensus over distributed network without central clearing house. To support its operation it is also a payment network of peers facilitating transactions using custom tokens of value and programmatic contract resolution system.
That was helpful, thanks. I'll make sure to convey your message to my mum, who doesn't even have a PC at her disposal.
Bitcoin can be sent and received on a phone.
I've switched to making most all of my Bitcoin payments using my phone. Its just easier and more convenient, especially compared to credit card payments. Mycelium Wallet for Android.
I have tried to point out the benefits of the protocol itself and to ignore the currency aspect. No one cares...
It is pretty badass actually but I say that as a systems engineer of almost 20 years. So I am just some dork...
Too mmany variations. Bit, lite, feather, max etc. There is only one gold and one silver.Both of which have uses outside of being money.
PPlease explain how p2p compliments them?
Golds is valued as money because it has the properties of money, not because it is used in jewelry or electronics. If gold was not useful in electronics, it would still be money. Similarly, Bitcoin is valued as money because it has properties of money. It doesn't NEED to have other uses, although the Bitcoin network apparently does have many potential other uses.
"If successful, bitcoin changes pretty much everything! To understand bitcoin, you have to imagine a world where you can buy without a merchant, bet without a bookie, get insurance without an underwriter, access finance and loans without a bank, trade without an exchange, purchase commodities without a broker, have law without lawyers, courts, and judges, create assets without an issuer, secure escrow without an agent, have internet without an ISP, verify records without a notary, establish reputation and credit without a credit agency, and create identity without a government."
True that, CH1, & sleigher.
It depends on who controls it.
There might be some good to come out of Bit Coin.
http://www.coda.co/#about
http://maidsafe.net/overview
https://ethereum.org/
An my favorite, that I have posted about here over the years...
http://www.ingenesist.com
Well, not so fast there. You sure you wouldn't rather be paid in an electronic-only currency that is accepted at very few places where you shop for day-to-day needs (gas, food), whose value bounces like a yo-yo relative to your local currency and is so susceptible to hacking that the first thing you do when you receive it is quickly stash it away offline where it becomes COMPLETELY illiquid?
I implore you to reconsider your closed-minded position on this.
I'm sorry, you're right, I didn't think this one through. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.
If China is able to pretty much block the use of Google in a country of 1.4 billion people, good luck when the NSA decides it wants to block or track all Bitcoin transactions...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/29/us-google-china-idUSKBN0K70BD20141229
I've been to china and the locals have ways around the blocks. I am too old to take an interest in the technology to perform this as I am more interested in keeping the cabbage moths off my Kale. The more they block the more the youngsters will find ways around it me thinks
And another thing, NoDebt: damn, you're good at this.
Well, not so fast there.
Sure, keep using your precious Fed notes every day. Save the Fed!
If you think BTC is the enemy of PMs, you're an idiot.
I love Bitcoin threads. Everybody goes all apeshit in them.
Were you aware I was replying to Doc? I bet you weren't. Go read it again.
Apologies that I didn't include more of your post for clarity, but the reply stands.
Please don't piss him off. He's pretty ad rem and only gets more green arrows when you piss him off.
Pointing out the obvious flaws of crypto currencies does not postulate a pro fed or hard currency position. Drop the strawman and simply consider the original premise.
-duplicate-
The guy could pay his employees in gold, ether keep track and give a gold coin or easier www.goldmoney.com which deals in gram fractions and is held offshore.
Amagi Metals have also said that starting next year they will only accept Bitcoin for PMs. It looks like the fuck you is reciprocal.
It makes no difference what they are paid in, it only matters what their salary is VALUED in.
pods
Yeah, let's see the dude base his contract on qty of bitcoin alone - not the dollar equivalent amount of bitcoin.
The Fed says that FRN's are only worth what someone will exchange for them. They are also an extention of credit. The IRS does not consider credit a source of income.
Well, the income tax is voluntary anyways. Otherwise it would be a direct, unapportioned tax, which the 16th amendment did not allow.
(following the letter of the law, which I know doesn't really count anymore)
Easiest way is to limit your income. Let things collapse THEN fix the system on restart.
Now it is suicide, even if you have a correct legal argument. You only get to tell your cellmate how right your reasoning is.
pods
We have a name for Tax Protestors:
'Inmates'
SHITCOIN !
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaa
MOOOAAAAARRRR ShitCoin! hehehehe - FIFY
Paid in AG would be better.
I'll give you some AG if you send me some BTC...
How do I do that in the event of a power cut or the internet going down for prolonged periods or general lack of availability to get online?
If the asteroid hits that HH was talking about I'd grab my bitcoin and get outta dodge /s
HA! So the owner must think that a Hackable currency is safer/better than a Fiat currency.
I'm not sure I agree... seems to me that they both suck.
Long live barter and trade... we're heading back to the middle ages.
It is not hackable. Another exchange was hacked. Equivalent to a digital bank robbery but without guns or violence. If a gold vault gets robbed don't blame the gold blame the security.
Very secure locations at the bottoms of lakes are in abundance for PMs. Apparently, secure exchanges for crypto-currencies are much harder to come by.
Ahh yeah , the global future of currency: burying your stash at the bottom of some random lake. That is what we would call PROGRESS.
Let me guess: you loosed your PMs in a boating accident !
Precious Metal Dealer pays his employees in Bitcoin.
Isn't that Precious.....
What did you expect them to pay with? Gold? Other PMs?
There isn't any for buying or for selling in return for labor...or anything else.
Orders placed on supposedly "In Stock" PMs over a month ago have not cleared nor shipped.
The PM industry's shelves are bare.
If, in 2008 everyone learned the phrases "Subprime Crisis" and "Asset Backed Commercial Paper" - then the phrases for 2015 will be "Collateral Chain" and "Counter-party Risk"
Rothschild regime funding yet another NSA hack project.
I'd ask to be paid in silver/gold first, a readily-exchangeable currency second, durable good third, and computer currency fourth.
In fourth place I've got shoot them and rifle their pockets.
I know fonesex star is a dork but with all the venture capitalist firms invested in bitcoin related businesses, I think it would be wise to own a few. If just one of these companies takes off the popularity, and demand, for bitcoin will rise. Its not as safe as gold, but as a short term investment I think its worth doing
I also think that as a short term vehicle, bitcoin is worth the risk. And, as a means to transfer funds overseas, hell yeah!
I just would not want to park a huge chunk of frn's into a bitcoin wallet for any longer than my desired transaction would take.
Do you have any hard evidence that fonestar is a dork?
Eek.
http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/7488472736
There ya go. FoneStar is a freakish troll.
wow
Yep, that sounds about right...
Yes. Half of what he says...
NOTHING on a computer connected to the Internet is secure; NOTHING.
Never lost ANY BTC online. Ever!
But you are losing the face value. Keep the pride.
Ha!
Cold Storage , bitcoin stored OFFLINE
metasploit
http://www.stealmywallet.com/
A nice Linux computer makes it managable though.
Why not just pay them with lottery tickets?
It's the same thing.
Kinda funny - business paying payroll taxes to the IRS in BitCoin.
I still don't get the hate of BTC that is dripping in this article and throughout ZH. It's an interesting and useful technology that IS a direct threat to fiat currency. It's not "digital money." The analog is more like "digital gold." It's only worth the value people assign to it. BTC has the advantage, however, of being able to be sent anywhere in the internet very quickly.
I can't buy my CVS & Target gift cards using gold coins. I'd much rather be paid in BTC than gold, or perhaps even USD.
Flat Earthers hiding in their bunkers waiting for armageddon so they can spend their eagles they stashed in the lake and shoot everybody with all their lead they have saved. Neanderthols.
"Neanderthols"...don't you mean "barbarians"? sweet jesus...if you are going to insult 'em, get that straight already.
barbarians are much more intelligent than flat earth Neanderthols.
well...you got a point there. Barbarians also sack cities for silver and gold. (and bitchez & booze) ;)
modern day barbarian has switched their attention over to btc , must be something in it.
who cares though right? your logic on intrinsic value of gold/silver, that they are subjective in regards to humans walking upright, also applies to shitcoin...so i guess I agree with you...it’s all fuckin crap.
It's fucking crap or it's fucking great man. That is the thing about having a free mind You can decide for yourself. Me, I think bitcoin is going to make the greatest change in currency since the Holy Fucking Roman Empire collapsed 2000 years ago. And I am not fucking kidding either. My advice: Just buy yourself one fucking bitcoin. Just think what will happen if 14 million more people try to buy just 1 fucking bitcoin. Get the idea ?
got it...trust me. I don't go long or hold a fixed view on anything as of late ( especially the shit they peddle for "truth" here on ZH).. As with anything: diversify. nice chat. thanks
This thread make me dumb dumb. Me go search for moon at end of earf.
thanks for showing up
You're only late to your first meeting.