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US Selling Another 170 M-1 Abrams Tanks To Iraq After ISIS Captured 40 Last Summer

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Remember when shortly after ISIS' stunning and rapid ascent to power it was revealed that a key reason for the terrorist organization's blistering success were the M-1 Abrams tanks, armored transport trucks, Howitzers and countless Humvees made in the US, sold to Iraq and subsequently captured by ISIS? It appears that the US has decided to restock ISIS, if only indirectly. As Matthew Aid's Strategypage.com discloses, the US is now selling a whopping 170 M-1 tanks to Iraq in order to restock the 40 lost to ISIS last summer, and then some. And since ISIS will promptly recapture a substantial portion of this latest batch, the US now appears to have found a fully covert, backdoor ISIS-restocking supply channel: one where Iraq pays to US military contrators (using US taxpayer aid money) such as General Dynamics, and subsequently the inventory mysteriosuly finds its way to barbaian, headcutting terrorists.

From Aid:

Iraq is buying another 170 American M-1A1 tanks. In 2008 Iraq had ordered and received (by 2010) 140 M-1A1 tanks, 21 M88A1 armored recovery vehicles and 60 M1070 tank transporters (which can also carry supplies or other vehicles.) Iraq was not be the first Arab country to operate the M1 tank. Egypt, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia already operate over 1,600 of them, and Egypt has built hundreds of them (mainly using components imported from the U.S., but with some locally made parts). Iraq receives the M-1A1 version. All the other Arab users have at least some of the latest model (M1A2 SEP).

 

The Arab users of the M1 have been very happy with their American tanks. This satisfaction increased when they saw how the M-1 performed in Iraq. While most Arabs deplored U.S. operations in Iraq, Arab tank officers and M-1 crewmen were quietly pleased that their tanks appeared invulnerable, and able to assist the infantry in any kind of fight. Iraqi army officers have spoken to fellow Arab officers who have used the M-1, and were told this was the way to go.

 

Corruption in the Iraqi Army led to Iraqi M-1 crews being poorly trained and led. So far Iraqi troops have lost (or abandoned) at least 40 M-1s to enemy action or panic. At least one Iraqi Mi1 was destroyed by a Russian ATBM (anti-tank guided missile).

The punchline:

The Iraqis promise they will do better with their new batch of M-1s.

And if they don't, no harm either: the US will merely have a pretext to use even more taxpayer funds, using the nobel excuse of funding Iraq's "democratic regime" to indirectly pay General Dynamic for a few hundred more M-1A tanks (replacement cost of each is about $5 million) thereby allowing GD shareholders to be overly "generous" when it comes to paying back their favorite Congressional warmonger with several million in lobby spending in 2015 and the following years.

And this is how the well-greased wheels of the US military-industrial complex turn in D.C.

 

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Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:30 | 5630587 waterwitch
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makes perfect sense to me!

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:31 | 5630591 kliguy38
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Moar money

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:34 | 5630608 Save_America1st
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Just the way the M.I.C. wants it...

Eisenhower warns of the M.I.C. in farewell address.

Short version:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

Longer version:  https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=eisenhower+military+industrial+complex

 

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:40 | 5630644 Greenskeeper_Carl
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disgusting. we will never learn. Pay up serfs.... keep calm and slave on, the empire needs moar money. Whatever happens, I think its safe to say we have it coming. A people as stupid as us can't possibly last much longer

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:45 | 5630664 cifo
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so they can share them

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:49 | 5630677 Normalcy Bias
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Have no fear - The exact armor composition is still highly classified, and therefore safe from potential enemies!

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:54 | 5630695 toady
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Is this a sale for a real asset? $, oil, gold?

Or is the taxpayera footing the bill again?

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:07 | 5630738 Never One Roach
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Military contractors are going to have another Bullish year, looks like.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:11 | 5630752 nmewn
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Hard to say, the article implies the taxpayer is footing the bill yet "Iraq is buying another 170 American M-1A1 tanks."

Of course the way they throw around "foreign aid" money...

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:30 | 5630817 toady
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Exactly. "Selling"... what a joke!

No way these MIC sob's ship anything without the taxpayer firmly on the hook.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:31 | 5630819 XitSam
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The tanks are colateral on a loan.  Then when ISIS captures these tanks, the loan is written off so Iraq comes out even, see?

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:47 | 5630883 weburke
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They will all be in iran soon enough. Iran is doomed.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:49 | 5630885 nmewn
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Not sure how that works contractually but I was more about cutting off foreign aid, to everyone.

Including Israel, Egypt, Afghanistan, Iraq, Kenya (lol, naturally), Pakistan, Nigeria, Jordan, Tanzania and Uganda...those are just the top ten, which is 20% of the total of 52 billion for 2014.

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 00:27 | 5631277 MontgomeryScott
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It's like THIS:

The USMIC can't sell Israel it's best technology (due to Congressional restrictions). It makes sense, in a way, that the USMIC would not allow the best shit to be bought by foreign powers, you know.

BUT: Since Iraq is now a USMIC 'protectorate' (since they were invaded TWICE), what the hell? Why NOT give our 'new partners' 40 top-line state-of-the-art tanks? Um...WHOOPS. They seem to have 'lost' them.

Now, if I WAS of an opinion, and I KNEW that the 'MOSSAD' is called the Isreali State Intelligence Service (I.S.I.S. for short), and i KNEW that I.S.I.S. had 'captured' 40 front-line tanks that they had requested and were trying to get, and my buddies in Haifa were 'working with me', I sure as hell would send the 'new partners' in Iraq another 170.

AND, I would sure as hell GUARANTEE the 'foreign aid' that you are whining about (our buddies and our partners NEED the money to keep up the maintainence on the shit we give them).

Just so we understand the true situation.

General Dynamics, Pentagon spokesman

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 06:55 | 5631608 TahoeBilly2012
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ISIS is fake but Putin is real!

Thu, 01/08/2015 - 21:17 | 5639700 Lore
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There is the Putin you're fed by gov't propagandists and MSM whores, etc... And then there is the REAL Putin.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 22:27 | 5630990 scrappy
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cifo, let's monetize this, it's a win-win.

eGoTank (Like the car sharing service)

Uber Tank - Ride in style for less than cab fare!

 

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:58 | 5630706 ziggy59
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These videos should be sent to every supposed leader, especially our ass clowns who run this friggin circus...

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 02:53 | 5631227 Lore
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Be sure that they're already well aware.

How does one lose a tank "to panic?" Did the treads fall off? 

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:34 | 5630611 NoDebt
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The sale was recommended by Paul Krugman.  

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:38 | 5630635 Eyeroller
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... from the back of a limo.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 22:17 | 5630965 WOAR
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Woar money

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:31 | 5630593 Surly Bear
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It's hard to believe we are selling those vehicles to anyone. Times have changed.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:33 | 5630605 TeamDepends
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It's as if we WANT ISIS, and by extension Islam, to kick ass.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:38 | 5630848 toady
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The funny thing is how ISIS doesn't go after Israel. Just Sunnis fighting Shias.

Almost like it was planned that way...

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 00:48 | 5631285 thestarl
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Sell them the tanks just the basic V1.0's but so what the Jews get access to all the top shelf hardware and they'd veto any sales that may compromise their advantages.

I'd like to see Putin sell the latest SAM (S400) systems to the Iranians.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:35 | 5630625 zorba THE GREEK
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That is how the U.S. military industrial complex got so big, by selling arms to both

sides of every conflict. We should have listened to Eisenhower, he saw this coming.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:42 | 5630650 Philo Beddoe
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Eisenhower was followed by JFK. An R followed by a D,  I think those were the last presidents, After that it became the muppet show. 

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:48 | 5630671 McMolotov
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If Hitlery gets in, we'll officially be ruled by Miss Piggy.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:51 | 5630686 Philo Beddoe
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I like the sound of President Maxine Waters.  Fuck it, we are throwing up the most retarded bitch we can find.  Black and Female and Retarded! That is electoral gold. 

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:57 | 5630709 RaceToTheBottom
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We are in a RaceToTheBottom and that would seem to be the most productive way to achieve it.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:06 | 5630734 HelluvaEngineer
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As long as she gets our n!ggers out of Guam before it tips over, I will support her.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:50 | 5630680 zorba THE GREEK
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I think so too. At least they didn't kill Eisenhower.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:33 | 5630828 XitSam
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Eisenhower was a democrat until he wanted to run for president.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:36 | 5630837 Thunderbox
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Over heard at the local Kmart in Baghdad:

Attemtion Kmart shoppers we have a Blue Light special over in the tank aisle. Two for one special for our friends with ISIS club membership cards.

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 04:53 | 5631538 Radical Marijuana
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Indeed, waterwitch, since money is measurement backed by murder, weapon industries are the most profitable. Since private property does not exist outside of some system public violence, weapons are vital to being able to stake claims and back those up with coercions. The reasons why a small minority of the global population is able to assert that they "own" most of the planet is due to the history of warfare, upon which was built a political economy based on enforced frauds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhn3MliFVcc

Lying Murdering Scum Own Our Planet

Militarism is the supreme ideology, and weapons have always been the first priority throughout the history of Neolithic Civilizations. The social pyramid systems that were started in the area now known as Iraq spread out, hybridized, and conquered the whole world, with those social systems based on backing up lies with violence, that were perfected through thousands of years of the history of warfare. The situation in Iraq today is what happens after those social pyramid systems go all the way around the world, and then, return home.

Globalized systems electronic monkey money, backed by apes with atomic bombs, is a relatively recent development of those ancient social pyramid systems. The apparent absurdities of the American Military Industrial (Corrupt Congress) Complex requires deeper analysis of human history to understand. However, "it makes sense to me" that we have developed a criminally insane culture, which operates its real death controls through the maximum possible deceits, in order to back up financial accounting systems based on the maximum possible frauds.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:31 | 5630592 db51
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This will add enough to GDP to give us another 2K on the Dow.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:32 | 5630594 blindman
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is is cia which is the fed balance sheet
in living color. get it?

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:34 | 5630604 JenkinsLane
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Paging Bill Hicks, that's Mr Bill Hicks, please come to reception.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:40 | 5630643 TeamDepends
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Will you accept Alex Jones?

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:59 | 5630718 Overfed
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Alex Jones is a turd by way of comparison to Bill Hicks. Accept no substitutes.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:34 | 5630614 Payne
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I hope one day we build them with a remote detonation switch.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:44 | 5630879 spinone
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they have failsafe.  Not just any jackwad can jump in an ddrive.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:34 | 5630617 fauxhammer
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They'll tank us later

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:39 | 5630638 Eyeroller
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We tanked some folks.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:41 | 5630649 Greenskeeper_Carl
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if you like your tank, ISIS can keep your tank, period

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:21 | 5630790 stant
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Can I get a loan to start a cheap knock off 120 mil anti tank and heat round factory in china?looks like enough demand there

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:38 | 5630622 Dr. Engali
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The fact that there isn't a built in fail safe to shut down the military equipment we want to immobilize when it falls into the wrong hands speaks volumes about who ISIS really works for.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:43 | 5630655 kowalli
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USA are giving tanks to isis - what is "wrong hands"???

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:49 | 5630679 Dr. Engali
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Exactly, that is was my whole point.

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 00:18 | 5631256 Lore
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It's just a big gun on wheels. You don't win wars with big guns.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:45 | 5630665 Greenskeeper_Carl
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these things won't last long in their hands, trust me on this one guys. Ive seen first hand how they take care of equipement we give them. Everything they touch goes to shit in a hurry becuase they abuse everything and don't maintain it. Those people could break an iron anvil with a rubber mallet. Seems impossible, but they will find a way.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:20 | 5630782 Ralph Spoilsport
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They are doing okay with the ones they already have, almost like they have training and support from General Dynamics Land Systems Division -  38500 Mound Road, Sterling Heights, MI 48310

http://www.gdls.com/

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:34 | 5630827 caustixoid
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"Ive seen first hand how they take care of equipement we give them".  Do tell

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:09 | 5630744 Duc888
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That would be too cheap.  We need to launch an offensive to immobilize / recapture those iron buckets of crap at a cost of billions.

 

Job security and all that....

 

MIC always gotta come out ahead, dontchaknow.

 

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:45 | 5630880 spinone
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There is

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 09:45 | 5632066 Karlus
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>>The fact that there isn't a built in fail safe to shut down the military equipment we want to immobilize when it falls into the wrong hands speaks volumes about who ISIS really works for.

 

Military sales do not work that way. There are self destruct devices on jets for avionics...etc, but this only works for domestically controlled assets.

 

Bottom line, if you had the key to the self destruct, no one would buy your product.

 

Besides, what is 40 tanks (or 170) between friends?

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:36 | 5630623 Philo Beddoe
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A little less than a billion in tanks. Big fucking deal.  Add it to the tab, bitch. 

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:41 | 5630629 JustObserving
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The US spent billions training and arming ISIS.  Now it sells arms to fight ISIS.  Krugman would approve.

The Nobel Prize Winner has never shied away from enhancing conflicts in this world. He has been sending arms and advisers to Ukraine:

Including communications equipment. Body armor. Night vision goggles. Humvees. Radar. Counter-mortar detection units. Binoculars. Small boats. Various other gear.

Sniper and assault rifles. Hand grenade launchers. Mortars and shells. Stingers. Anti-tank missiles. What’s known may be the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-nato-delivering-arms-to-ukraine-the-plan...

ISIS: The jihadist movement stamped “Made in America”

The fact remains, however, that the US, the major European powers, and their regional allies all previously lent financial, military and political support to ISIS and similar groups, which have “Made in the USA” stamped all over them. They have, until now, played a significant part in Washington’s efforts to overthrow the regime of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, as part of a broader effort to gain control of the region’s vast energy resources and transit routes.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/isis-j30.html

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 06:48 | 5631605 homonohumanus
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Only in America... you would see an islamic group pegged with a nickname that is the name of a pagan deity and it would shock nobody :)

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:45 | 5630633 ThroxxOfVron
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Selling?  To Iraq or ISIS?

OK.  Right. ( rolls eyes ) Iraq.  -What wuuz I thinkingk...

Is Iraq really buying this time or is someone else buying it for them?   Oh, it's on credit???

Is the debt incurred for the 'purchase' just gonna be written off this time too?

 

http://www.iraq-businessnews.com/2012/03/29/iraq-seeks-arab-debt-forgive...

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:38 | 5630637 Seize Mars
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ABSOLUTE. FUCKIN'. JOKE. Go ahead and just try to "take" 40 American tanks. Go ahead, try it. Anyone who doesn't recognize this ISIS thing as an obvious CIA/Mossad operation is a complete idiot. For fuck's sake, the "head of ISIS" is a fucking Mossad operative named Elliot Shimon.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Mossad+agent+Elliot+Shimon

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:44 | 5630660 Philo Beddoe
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Where are the Ebola mongerers, 03-16? 

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:42 | 5630653 noben
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That's not that much on lobbying.  Either the politicians are cheaper than street hookers, or the real money is out of sight.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:44 | 5630662 LawyerScum
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I'm sure some smart ass ISIS member will be tweeting "Tanks for the memories" imminently.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:45 | 5630666 Norm Alcybias
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this is great news for parts suppliers, no?

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:47 | 5630673 i_call_you_my_base
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Especially since ISIS pays in gold coins now.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:49 | 5630678 joego1
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On the way to another 5% gdp quarter!

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:52 | 5630685 SmittyinLA
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The hostile alien President chuckles during bongloads at the stupidity of the American public while he arms ISIS at the behest of Arab dictators and greedy sociopath bankers that own tenements in the refugee target zone.

If you own the government debt that buys the tenements do you own the tenements? 

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:53 | 5630691 Nobody Important
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Simpler to just cut out the middle man (Iraq), and sell them directly to ISIS.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 20:55 | 5630698 RaceToTheBottom
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Make sure they put the remote kill switches in them so when the Iraqis sell them to their enemies, they can be stopped and retrieved.

 

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 22:50 | 5631038 tarabel
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How about some OnStar action where we just lock the doors on the darn things via satellite and let them fry inside a 70-ton box.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:04 | 5630726 tnquake
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You can break a lot of windows with 170 M-1A1s...

FORWARD!!

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:06 | 5630731 Duc888
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Don't the Eeeeevil Ruskies have a nice little shoulder launched unit that will centerpunch those piles of shit and turn humans into smelly pink geletanous stuff whilst riding around inside those mobile coffins?

 

I do remember seeing some pics about ten + years ago of something portable that was able to punch a nice clean itty bitty hole into those crap piles and liquify the occupants.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:54 | 5630896 Parrotile
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Would this be what you're looking for Sir?? http://www.army-technology.com/projects/kornet/

One suspects the "non-Export" version might have "additional capabilities"! Mind you the ability to penetrate 1200mm armour might be all that's necessary.

What about this little delight - http://world.guns.ru/grenade/rus/rpg-32-e.html with "a warhead to suit any engagement" . . . .

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:07 | 5630743 Lostinfortwalton
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Well, this is insane. If they really captured 40 Abrams tanks how could the US not make destroying them the first order of business? Hello, it is a freaking desert over there, not a jungle. How can you hide 40 tanks with who knows how many satellites parked directly overhead, drone reconnaissance, and conventional high-altitude aircraft?

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:14 | 5630767 Duc888
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lostinfortwalton:  ".... how could the US not make destroying them the first order of business?"

 

Well for starters the "US" is a bunch of competing gangs.  You have CIA fighting NATO, fighting those gangs in the Pentagon...etc...

 

We won't even get into the shooting wars between USAF and the Navy.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:10 | 5630749 fibonacci's claus
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so its been a regional war for quite some time.  this tank sale confirms the massive spring offensive.  so how long have we been indirectly at war with iran via isis???  and how do the downed asian flights fit into this puzzle??? 

anyone heard of the TR3B?  i read an article stating we used it in the last gulf war for laser sighting.

its hard to imagine how tech is being pushed into society, coming right out of darpa.

six months ago i read the chinese would have scam jet missile tech in five years.  i just read now they would have it in five months.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:11 | 5630755 papaswamp
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The laminated armor is the best on the planet. God help the Iraqis if ISIS gets a decent armor commander and supply trains for the tanks.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:18 | 5630781 NoWayJose
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All ISIS needs to scare the Iraqi army are two turbanheads standing in the back of a pickup - one waving a black flag and the other waving a sword.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:14 | 5630763 Ralph Spoilsport
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I wonder what nmewn has to say now after this post:

 

Sun, 01/04/2015 - 20:13 | 5621996

 

"Yes I do doubt we are currently supporting ISIS with weapons and tech support. If you have something besides a bad air drop bring it forward and lets review it.

If true I'll be your greatest ally, if false..."

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:15 | 5630771 nmewn
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Why don't you ask me?

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:38 | 5630853 Jr. Mintz
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Why waste time discussing anything with a paid government shill? People are catchng on to your act noomy.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/02/24/art-deception-tra...

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:56 | 5630905 nmewn
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Well, since Ralphie has been proven to have no balls, do you have something to say about my quote which Ralphie seems to think has some import?

Lets put it in terms that even idiots can understand.

If I buy a shotgun and someone steals it and murders someone else with it, am I liable for the theft and the murder?

Be careful how you answer dickweeds.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 23:53 | 5631189 rejected
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Well,,, if you had a triple concertina wire fence surrounding your residence, battering ram proof steel doors, barricaded windows, and your shotgun in a 3 ton safe with a timed lock and trip wires in strategic places and still a crack head managed to steal it and shot his dealer a good lawyer would probably  convict you as you obviously knew your shotgun was dangerous or you would not have went to such lengths... yes?

The crack head would be put in a detox center and exonerated as he didn't know what he was doing. :-)

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 07:26 | 5631624 nmewn
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lol...plus a thousand for a particularly profound post on a host of levels ;-)

This is how some peoples minds have been conditioned, so that some minor league lawyer could actually argue it both ways and win...its a gun! (audible gasp accompanied by scary music) and the poor helpless crackhead (ahhh, have pity on him).

Yet, we are allowed unaided or unsupervised to pump a highly explosive substance into our cars...and then hurtle ourselves down the highway directly toward each other separated by only a painted line...or...have the lethality of 110 volts distributed to every room in your home...(and countless more examples) all because none of those...are a gun! (audible gasp accompanied by scary music, again)...lol.

And so it is with Ralphie and this other punk.

Because you see, St.Pooty doesn't have a MIC in his country (no no no, unpossible!) only the evil USA has a MIC, Assad has no Russian weapons or technical support (none, whatsoever!) and is fighting the dastardly US puppet-state called ISIS with only rocks & sticks, just like Iraq...so (returning to my hypothetical example) because guns can be stolen...no one should have guns!

This is the level of "progressive" thinking we're dealing with.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:17 | 5630773 NoWayJose
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You know the 'air war' on ISIS is a hoax when these captured tanks can operate freely to attack that city on the Turkish border. You cannot 'hide' a tank on a battlefield from drones and modern US aircraft. ISIS should either have every tank parked and hidden, or else destroyed if they move it.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:23 | 5630792 atomicwasted
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First time tragedy, second time farce.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:28 | 5630810 pashley1411
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Supplying arms to both sides of a fight, conveniently losing arms to one side or the other, droning any goat herder who has the synapses to figure it all out, all in the name of "democracy".

Yea, you go champs, USA! USA!

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:32 | 5630823 Lostinfortwalton
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The US is going to continue to fart around until an American aircraft gets shot down and the one or two-man crew gets captured. When they get beheaded on camera there will be a shit-storm to end all shit-storms. Obama will likely be impeached within a week of the occurrence and the gloves will finally come off the US military.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 22:22 | 5630979 Caleb Abell
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To paraphrase former VP Cheney who noted in regard to other US casualties: So what, they volunteered.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:41 | 5630861 ThroxxOfVron
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"Have another Regional War, Guys!   -Another round of tanks are on Me ( peons )."    -Barack

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:44 | 5630882 WTFUD
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How much are the Iraqi Government paying for those babies? Have they tried 'Go Compare'?

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:49 | 5630888 Ness.
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Feb 6, 2014 10:42 a.m. ET.  General Dynamics Corp. GD, +0.12% said its board authorized the repurchase of up to 20 million shares, valued at $2 billion, after striking a deal last month to buy back about $1.1 billion in shares.

The military contractor has lagged its peers in returning cash to shareholders in the second half of 2013 because of pension-accounting issues. In January, it announced plans to buy back more stock in the first quarter and seek approval for more repurchases.

Nothing to see here folks.  Move along.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/general-dynamics-board-approves-share-b...

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:52 | 5630893 q99x2
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There are only contractors. Congress and the rest in Washington D.C. are contractors, so is the military and so is ISIS.

Governments don't exist in the West but are starting to reappear as the SHTF.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 21:56 | 5630904 Ginsengbull
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Leopard 2's are better.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 22:05 | 5630932 blindman
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isis is the federal reserve's direct military and political
expression in, last resort, the context of it's monetary failure.
the end result of their inability to extend the financial
ponzi, so we have their cia sponsored and facilitated clandestine
gorilla terror arm taking the world by storm.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 22:10 | 5630943 Quantum Nucleonics
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While ZH is a useful resource for financial information, the Tylers are really out of their depth with regard to military affairs.  ISIS isn't operating captured M-1's in any sustainable way.  When you buy an M-1, you absolutly must buy the Truecoat.  The training required to operate the tank is nothing compared to the training, and spare parts, required to keep them running.  So, unless ISIS has somebody at General Dynamics getting them spares, those tanks are just art sculptures in the desert.

However, Iraq's armor is using it's tanks in a grossly incompetent way.  Also, the real problem with ISIS capturing weapons is the TOW anti-tank missiles that they are "getting" via other Syrian rebel groups that we are "supplying".  The TOW's, and some of the more advanced Russian ATM's are taking out the Iraqi M-1's that are being so stupidly utilized.

By the way, the model Iraq is buying is the cripple-ware export version without the advanced armor and electronics/fire control.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 22:27 | 5630994 tarabel
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Back in the day, the Soviets referred to their export versions as "monkey models".

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 22:31 | 5631001 nmewn
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They do it to keep it "fair & balanced"...I think, not sure.

So there's no point in any objective analysis and besides, Egypt isn't the least bit interested in cannabalizing spare parts from its co-production facility, in Cairo, they have a few problems of their own, like subsidizing bread.

Dec 3/12: General Dynamics Land Systems in Sterling Heights, MI receives a $37.6 million cost-plus-fixed-fee contract modification for services in support of the M1A1 co-production effort at the Egyptian Tank Plant in Cairo, Egypt. Work will be performed in Sterling Heights and Cairo, with an estimated completion date of Feb 28/15. One bid was solicited, with 1 bid received by US Army Contracting Command in Warren, MI (W56HZV-09-C-0488).

For Ralphie ;-)

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 00:08 | 5631226 Max Steel
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or simply your abraham tanks suck just like your f-16s two of them were shot down by isis anti-air missile . They have captured two jordanian pilots . A fact which many us war hawks cant digest because for them us military and its weapons are superior . lol . Durka . 

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 01:23 | 5631389 redwater
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When you buy an M-1, you absolutly must buy the Truecoat

 

Truecoat's a scam. The dealership tried to sell my buddy that when he bought his new Chevy. 

He told them "no thanks". They'll upsell you all sorts of junk.


Tue, 01/06/2015 - 22:12 | 5630951 TulsaTime
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Not really buying, since we give them aid to send back to us in the form of 'purchases' of our weapons. Plus there are undoubtedly multiple divisons worth of these worthless guzzlers sitting in kuwait, they will pick put the depot queens to ship back to bagdahd.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 22:20 | 5630974 Caleb Abell
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ISIS didn't "capture" 40 tanks.  They are only on loan from their CIA handler until Iraq allows the US to have permanent bases, and immunity for US personnel for crimes they commit.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 22:26 | 5630986 tarabel
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Considering what we spend on airstrikes, wouldn't it be cheaper to pay ISIS to sell their tanks back to the Iraqis? They sell cut-rate oil already so they ought to be game for a fleet deal on some AFVs.

Then they could go capture them again and they'd already have a set of keys.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 22:37 | 5631009 Jack Burton
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" shortly after ISIS' stunning and rapid ascent to power"

No, not stunning. Those who followed US policy in Syria were warning over and over that the USA had recruited a large Jihadist Army from around the world, was funding it, arming it and training it in bases in Tukey and Jordan. Many of us claimed that Al-Qaeda and worse were part of Ameriica's anti Assad army. Thousands of Europeans flocked to American training camps, also Libyans, Saudi, Pakistanis, Yemeni, Iraqi, you name it! America created a vast Muslim Army and aimed it at Syria. But that army grew a mind of it's own, and it woke up one morning and decalred itself to be ISIS. The US Government didn't see this coming, or did they?

One Iraqi Parlimament member said this week that the USA was not fighting ISIS, but rather trying to use it,  to direct it towards American goals. Oddly enough, I think this Iraqi was right on the money. A few air strikes, that effect ISIS little, other than as a warning that the USA would prefer ISIS did American's bidding again?

The most under reported story in the western state controlled media is that ISIS is the so called Syrian Free Army, a giant lie told by the USA, while in fact America put together a giant Jihad army of the most insane radical Muslims on earth. And to what ends? That is what we want to know. This ISIS army was funded by America, they were supposed to kill Assad and hand Syria over to NATO command. They failed, and now they are on a real Jihad.

Has one American official who created ISIS been held to account. No. So I assume Washington DC still has many uses for ISIS, that radical Islamic legion, whose money, arms and training came for the USA. In fact, new Jihadists are being recruited, as moderates, supposed to replaced ISIS as our new tame Al-Qaeda. So you see, it did not end with ISIS, Washington still recruits, arms, funds and trains radical Muslims from around the world in Turkey and Jordan. What game are they playing at?

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 01:04 | 5631354 Terminus C
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Hiring barbarians to defend the border regions... hmmm, where have we seen that before?

I'm sure it's different this time.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 22:50 | 5631039 Bennie Noakes
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I hope they didn't forget to equip them with remote-control self-destruct systems.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 22:58 | 5631056 taketheredpill
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This does make sense.

 

A common theme us that the US screwed up in Iraq. The US got exactly what it wanted. 

 

The US never wanted a Democracy in Iraq. They just wanted to secure the oil which involves finding out where the oil is and making sure the Ieawis dont do something stupid like use it for cars or industrial growth. So they bomb the hell out of the infrastructure (except the Oil Ministry natch!) and make sure abunch of madmen run around so no chance of organized government.

 

If ISIS gets more tanks and weapons they can do the same thing to Syria, Iran, and SAUDI ARABIA. 

 

So matbe that is part of the reason the Saudis wont cut production. They understandthe US is trying to fuck them and they are fucking the US right back.

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 23:07 | 5631080 Hamm Jamm
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BY JUPITERS COCK !!     so what, they've got a bunch of tanks that they can't operate and will lose them to a bunch of guys who can't operate them, aswell !         

 

but it makes for a nice distraction from the ECONOMY HITTING THE FAN !

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 04:59 | 5631540 Otrader
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My favorite was the spending bill with the blank checkbook given to bankers in Dec.   Days later Sony was hacked and all the media could talk about was how North Korea was a danger to our national security due to Sony hack.  Even the president jumped in and started talking about it until the blank checkbook thingy was forgotten. 

When will people wake up?

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 23:15 | 5631103 Fix It Again Timmy
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Iraqi models have only one gear - reverse.....

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 23:40 | 5631169 kchrisc
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Iraq is now a transshipper for ISIS. LOL

Hey Langley and Glilot Junction, just call UPS, and have them deliver directly to ISIS. You'll save enough to buy another tank from the MIC, or even stage another Sandy Hoax. Your choice.

The banksters need to repay us.

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 00:12 | 5631237 Wahooo
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Americans spend too much time thinking about and talkiing about the middle east. Iraq? Iran? Israel? I don't get it, really. These countries are the last places on earth that any American would want to live in and probably even visit. If they want to sell some oil, we can buy it. But why are we involved in any middle eastern affairs beyond buying oil.

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 01:05 | 5631359 Terminus C
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It's the holy land don'tcha know?

 

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 04:55 | 5631539 Otrader
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How can bankers make money when there is no debt?   War = $$$$ !!! 

'if my sons didn't want to have wars there would be no wars' ~old lady Rothschild~

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 01:22 | 5631383 rockface
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Obama is still trying to arm the Muslim Brotherhood and their associated Jihadists.

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 01:43 | 5631408 anachronism
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I read on a website, called medium.com/war-is-boring, that the Army has about 9,000 tanks but only wants to keep about a third of them.

However, because the tanks are made in the congressional districts of two particularly influential congressmen, who will not let the Army stop building them. Something like 300 are being made every year.

So, t is really no big deal if the Pentagon sells one brigade's worth of tanks to the Iraqis. And -unless we send troops into combat against ISIS- it won't really matter if they get another 40-50 or so from the Iraqis, since the logistics and maintenance, required to keep armored formations combat-ready and on the move, are horrendous.

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 02:37 | 5631443 Fuku Ben
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With the current scheme you see laid out before you just think of it like money laundering to supply your new off the books army, who are creating a global start-up that will eventually cover the globe in Chaos, with "just another set of tools for their toolkit" (common quote seen made by police in Police State USA). Id est 170 more Abrams tanks. These will go along nicely with the numerous errant arms and ammunition drops that ISIS has scored recently. If your local MSM can't produce the fictitious video footage just watch the movie A Bridge Too Far you'll get the idea of what's going on. The MSM interviewees would just say "It was like they were in a movie" anyway

Why sell the tanks to Iraq anyway when you can sell them direct to ISIS who will pay more and could fund it through their new Global Investment Bank? And the added bonus is Iraq is probably buying the tanks from you with your own money. ISIS money is brand new and squeaky clean. Already pre-laundered after get cash from the Chinese for selling all the oil they stole. I mean liberated. The charade is pretty much over. The globalists aren't hiding any other outright criminal actions why this one? How do you think Benny Hill got rich?

Cut out the middle man I tell ya. Cut out the middle man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMNA9vM5aAU

Yeah yeah I know the banksters don't like it when you do that but hey the banksters in the West are in stagnation city. They're desperate for quick score. The Goldman Suchs crew needs a new high. Just like a junkie. You can get the same rush on the daily 4pm pops in the market forever. You've got to go where the new money is flowing. And that appears to be with ISIS

* IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: While this post may make you all suspicious of how I may know these investment or GAAP accounting and tax strategies and weapons systems allocations truths to be self evident I disavow any implied association or affiliation past, present or future with any global association of criminal government agency, entity, sub-entity or non-licensed entity

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 03:52 | 5631488 Sirius Wonderblast
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No problem, we keep the good stuff (Challenger 2).

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 05:35 | 5631563 Jano
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M1 can be used only against the bushmen, who do not have adequate ATGMs.

In a warfare with a good enemy (now I do not consider China, or RUssia) M1 has an average mileage of several dozens minutes. A modern ATGM make it from a distance of up to 5km.

If US gets rid of it, then it is just usefull for US budget.

A-weapons and the men on the ground can win the future war, but not a tank.

Interesting is rather the spectrum of the users: both sides are going to use it. This is good for US logistics, they supply the market with one channel.

The second benefit for US is, that they will not be used against the domestic enemy, the citizens of US.

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 07:17 | 5631616 f16hoser
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ISIS didn't capture shit. The US government gave those tanks to ISIS to fight Assad in Syria. ISIS is doing the CIA's dirty work keeping the ME in turmoil to disrupt China/Russia oil/gas industry. Can you say Saudi influence???

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 07:47 | 5631651 Pumpkin
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From the same idiot that can't created and follow a budget.  What else should we expect?

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 09:00 | 5631894 damicol
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Is this the appropriate venue to report the authorities my deeply help suspicions regarding the activities of an Islamic militant that I believe is even now plotting more terrorist attacks in a secret location with members of a criminal gang  and crooked financiers for a reign of terror the world hasn't witnessed for a couple of generations.

I say this because I believe I have identified the despicable evil arsehole,  a fucking slack arsed faggot Kenyan monkey, a black lying murderous Islamic fundamentalist, that spends his spare time trolling bathhouses for his filthy shit stabbing activities, when not plotting his genocidal activities

He is, I believe already responsible for tens if not hundreds of thousands of deaths of mostly innocent women  men and children but has a powerful clique of fucking ignorant money grubbing back stabbing cowardly media fuckwits  at hand to try cover his tracks and divert blame for these atrocities.

If anyone in charge is reading or anyone knows who this should be reported to, could you please forward it, especially if you recognize the filthy scum and know his current whereabouts.

 

 

 

 

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 09:36 | 5632033 Bogdog
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If you like your M1A1 you can keep your M1A1.

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 10:10 | 5632193 Mike Honcho
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Page 1023 in the Know-It-All Playbook, section 3b: cash for clunkers tank version.

GDP boost right in time for Polar Vortex part deux....aka winter.

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