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Why Don't "Moderate" Muslims Condemn Terrorism ??!
Update:
Muslim Policeman Died Defending the Right of French Cartoonists to Mock His Religion
We’ve extensively documented that Muslims worldwide condemn ISIS. And see this.
Slideshow by Adam Johnson
Similarly, the condemnation of yesterday’s barbaric terrorist attack in Paris has been global and immediate. Here’s a sampling of condemnation which came within hours of the attack:
- The Union of Islamic Organizations of France responded on its website, writing: “The UOIF condemns in the strongest terms this criminal attack, and these horrible murders. The UOIF expresses its deepest condolences to the families and all the employees of Charlie Weekly.”
- Hassen Chalghoumi, imam of the Drancy mosque in Paris’s Seine-Saint-Denis suburb, spoke with France’s BFM TV and condemned the attackers, saying, “Their barbarism has nothing to do with Islam.” “I am extremely angry,” Chalghoumi said. “These are criminals, barbarians. They have sold their soul to hell. This is not freedom. This is not Islam and I hope the French will come out united at the end of this.”
- The Grand Mosque of Paris, one of the largest in France, issued a statement on its website shortly after the attacks, saying its community was “shocked” and “horrified” by the violence.
Rabbi Marc Schneier notes in the Washington Post this week that the moderate Muslim majority is speaking out against the extremists … but “we’re just not listening.”
Father Elias Mallon of the Catholic Near East Welfare Association remarks:
“Why aren’t Muslims speaking out against these atrocities?” The answer is: Muslims have been speaking out in the strongest terms, condemning the crimes against humanity committed by [extremists] in the name of Islam.
And see this.
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This pro-Muslim apologist is no George Washington.
For all their "condemnations" so-called moderate Muslims have done nothing to stop Jihad, stop radical teachings, nor punish or call out any Jihadists until it's too late. They also do not condemn or defund any pro-extremist groups. Their outrage rings hollow.
Instead Jihad and colonization of the West continues unabated.
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Of course there are moderate Muslims. Of course their holy book has also been interpreted with non violence and the sanctity of lives. But we do do not live to ferret through theologies. If we live daily with violence in our midst and where the violence can be traced to a bad strain of Islamic Theology, we need to be innoculated for the virus.
It is up to the adherents of their beliefs to sort it out among themselves and prove in concrete and tangible forms that they are no threats (at the minimum) to civilized Societies.
It is up to Governments who are there to protect Citizens to limit the virus until it has been emprically ascertained that the virus does not exist to kill and destroy.
No such thing as a moderate muslim.
As soon as their numbers increase in any area above x percent they become militant.
Try a goole search for "uk pakistani paedophiles" and you may get the idea.
GW - finally. Only one link to you. As for the term that the MSM created, "Moderate Muslim", WAY OFF BASE! A moderate Muslim is like a Catholic that does not go to church. They are NOT moderate, they are simply NOT practicing the religion in every aspect. The RADICAL Catholic and RADICAL Muslim are the ones practicing their religion. I have a library of books that I could recommend for those that want to learn about Islam instead of flapping their lips like TallTom, who obviously know NOTHING about the subject except what he has heard.
Even many Muslim Scholars are starting to question the Koran and whether MAUhammad really existed. They, are the true radicals. REf: DID MUHAMMAD EXIST?, ROBERT SPENCER
Put a COEXIST bumper sticker onyour car, that will protect you........hehehe.!
"like a catholc that does not go to church" sheesh. YOU blundered with that one.
The only real muslims are ISIS, and they are run by jews. You dont need a library about islam, good grief, just read the first 29 pages of the koran.
He says "WE told johan to go to ........... WE told the fish to swallow jonah, WE told the fish to spit him out at ninevah, ect. mohamud claimed to be one of the WE, then he says there is only one god and he is the only prophet, the then he says if you dont believe, you must die. although you can pay a fee and live for a while. ect ect, and it gets worse.
So the press isn't echoing the Muslims on this? You have to ask why. Maybe they need everyone in the west afraid of them or left guessing so they have more control and can spin it the way they want? Nothing would surprise me here.
Here is the moderate Muslim...........Jeff has been my friend for 25 years. More of a brother than a friend. I could trust him, and he never lied to me. A rather gentle person and a medical doctor.
He converted to Islam, and now he constantly makes excues for the barbarism done in the name of Islam.
When they attack a school and behead children, he rationalizeds and makes excuses. Over and over again. He has been infected by Islam, and because of it's very nature, he is blind him to reality. Finally he stopped talking to me. Islam demands complete obedience to the words of mohammed.
I would want to know why a man like that would want to convert to Islam. Why was his life so unsatisfactory he would consider it? I don't understand the attraction. Islam seems to be incompatible with a free society. Heck, Islam is even incompatible with itself.
I once asked a Muslim how his religion was reputed to have been spread by the sword be called a religion of peace. His answer was the word Islam means peace.It also means submitting one’s will to Allah. Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah. I still didn't get why all the force was used. His answer was sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace.
Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested interests so sometimes force is necessary to maintain peace. It is precisely for this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and antisocial elements to maintain peace in the country. This is how Islam promotes peace. At the same time, Islam compels its followers to fight where there is oppression. The fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.
I don't know. It's sounded a lot like newspeak to me. War is peace? I still don't understand the attraction.
Miffed
Well, that's one person. But I agree. When you hand your candle to the collective, your own light goes out.
Do we judge by what people say? Or do? Or believe? Or are pressured to do? Or the mob they're in? Or what they'd do, if they could get away with it?
Words are cheap. Acts cost. The reality is that Wahhabi fundamentalism is financed with petro dollars. It doesn't matter whether moderates speak out, when nothing is done against fundamentalists,their financiers and supporters.
I remove all ticks, even though only some have Lyme disease. The golden rule of survival and morality in Nature: Watch out. Do unto others as they would do unto you.
I largely agree ...
So why are we propping up and supporting the source of Wahabism?
Well, I sure as hell don't know the facts in this situation. I live in the USA and facts are darned thin on the ground.
Here are a few things I do know, though.
"Terrorism" is the use of violence against civilians to advance political ends. It is used in a situation where the prevailing Authorities have a near-monopoly on force and control of the entire social structure. There has to be a disgruntled underclass of some sort or it's just a nutjob doing something crazy. Most of these disaffected people are unhappy, but go along because they don't see that they have any options. The Power is too powerful. There will usually be a faction of the underclass that is involved in some sort of peaceful negotiation with The Power, which predictably goes nowhere and produces only token advances which are ballyhooed by The Power but generally ignored by everyone else, as they should be.
So a splinter group, usually male, young adults, often educated but with no prospects, decides to start a campaign of terrorism. They set off bombs in public places, attack satirical newspapers, all the stuff we all know. The whole point is to completely polarize the situation. Nobody can support this brutality, but members of the underclass can understand where the frustration comes from. Then The Power wildly over-reacts, goes berserk, and oppresses the living hell out of the underclass like they've never been oppressed before. This discredits all the "Moderates," "Liberals," and esteemed interlocutors. On the one side, it's "How can we even talk to these Animals?" and on the other side, it's pretty much the same thing. A few more disaffected untermenschen join the terrorists and more bombs go off. The Power freaks out all over again, torturing, shooting, killing and generally making it impossible for any of the underclass to live like human beings. At a certain point, they'll decide they have nothing to gain by going along with The Power any more, so they might as well throw in with the terrorists. At least if the Terrorists gain power, maybe they can be convinced to stop blowing people up. It's clear The Power is too far gone down the self-pity/revenge/hatred trip to ever come back.
That's basically the dynamic Osama bin Laden set in motion. Because it works. It drove the French out of Algeria. There are other examples. The terrorists just have to remain utterly resolute, and The Power will do their work for them, alienating everyone and dooming themselves. We have taken the bait just as bin Laden knew we would, and we're spending ourselves into oblivion. Our foreign policy and global financial rapacity is going to destroy us, and he'll be cackling in Hell, where he's been since about 12 years ago when he died, according to more trustworthy sources than we read in the US.
Another thing to keep in mind is that we have outrageously misused the words "Terrorist" and "Terrorism." Fighting back against a foreign army that has invaded your country is not "Terrorism." Fighting in a civil war against the faction supported by a foreign power is not "Terrorism." Opposing a coup d'etat imposed by a foreign power is not "Terrorism." The Boko Haram guys are Terrorists, because of the massacres they perpetrate. The Somalis Al-Shabbab guys? I don't think they're terrorists at all. They are involved in a civil war of the usual brutal depravity, but that's not the same thing. The IRA were terrorists, and they didn't settle down until Margaret Thatcher got Ronald Reagan to shut down the pipeline of money, weapons and volunteers from Boston to Ulster. Yahoo News yesterday featured a surfer-dude who decided to go to Iraq to join the Kurds fighting against ISIS. I suppose he's not a "terrorist," either?
These Charlie Hebdo killer guys are indeed terrorists. I'm not so sure about ISIS. They're bastards alright, but they seem more like war criminals than terrorists to me. And who have these "terrorists" killed more of than anyone else? Muslims. They're all Muslims, on all sides of that fight. So obviously it ain't about religion, much less about Islam, amirite?
All I know is, these words are being intentionally drained of meaning, and presented to us as set-pieces in a fable narrative. The narrative doesn't withstand the least bit of scrutiny. So obviously, it's being concocted to distract us from what's really going on and why. Our bigotries, fears of the unknown, and deepest dampest suspicions are being toyed with.
My bigotries I can take or leave, bu I love my deep damp suspicions and I don't take kindly to having them toyed with, thank you very much.
I suggest you do some reading about Islam, the Religion of Peace, or STFU! You sound like an idiot when you,"...don't know the facts in this situation." This situation is a repeat of the last situation and the one before that. It took you 37 lines of text to say what? I just did it for you in 1 and 1/2.
Bullshit. As soon as you conflate "Terrorism" with Islam, you will never understand what is going on in the world around you. All those Muslims in Northern Ireland, huh? The Italian Red Brigade Muslims? I believe Cornwallis called the inhabitants of the Charlotte, NC area "Terrorists" in the American Revolution. They must have been Muzzies, too, right?
....If the islamic cult is a religion, then so are these fraternal organizations that have the same morality & tactics: 18th Street Gang/M18, Mara Salvatrucha/MS-13, Los Zetas, Aryan Brotherhood, Sicilian Cosa Nostra, Napolitan Camorra, Calabrian 'Ndrangheta, Apulian Sacra Corona Unita, Russian Mafia, Mexican Drug Cartels, Colombian Drug Cartels, Aryan Brotherhood, Mexican Mafia, Texas Syndicate, Black Guerrilla Family, Nuestra Familia, Mara Salvatrucha, Primeiro Comando da Capital, Irish Mob, Puerto Rican mafia, Nuestra familia de Martínez sangre, Chinese Triads, Japanese Yakuza, Jamaican-British Yardies, Haitian gang Zoe Pound, Bloods, Crips, Asian Boyz, Latin Kings, Hells Angels, Mongols Motorcycle Club, white power skinheads, Wah Ching, US Congress, White House, Fed
There. Fixed it for you.
Don't forget the Bieber fans. Massive cult right there. Oh, and iCrap Clowns, they are everywhere.
That was kind of a long wind-up for your punchline.
But I shouldn't talk. Look at my long-winded rant below. I'll shut up.
The moderate Muslims who don't condemn violence are hanging out with the Jews who don't condemn Israel and Zionism.
Where o where are those elusive moderate muslims. I think one was spotted a few years ago eating a baloney sandwich with bigfoot.
Yeah. I think George has been taken in on this one. Why are not all these moderates going to Syria, Iraq, and everywhere else and fighting for their religion on behalf of like minded victims of ISIS? Is it not their duty to defend the honor of the profit and Islam itself from the like of ISIS?
If you're going to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
Actions, not words.
Could the fact we rarely hear about these condemnations be due in any way to who controls the media in this country......and many others? Doesn't fit in with the overall plan?
The Zionist-controlled media and Hollywood NEVER portray a Jew as bad or an Arab as good.
Radical Muslims want to cut of your head. Moderate Muslims want to cheer Radical Muslims on while they are cutting off your head. They want you dead just don't have the balls to do it themselves.
I think the moderate Muslims are actually becoming fearful that one day, popular opinion will turn against Islam, and they will see a violent backlash against Islam.
They know that politicians and world leaders do only what is politically expedient.
Then those moderates will be sucked into the same flaming vortex the extremists will enter into, because there will be no distinction.
Sir, that is incorrect. The vast majoirty of "moderate Moslems" are in complete agreement with many of the most repressive and brutal aspects of Islam.
That is true. I believe true moderates are a small majority. They really dont want to run through the neighborhood and cut heads off.
However, many groups, and a good example of "moderate" in name only, CAIR, would like everyone to believe they are moderate, when in fact they funnel money to known terrorist orgs.
Even the UAE knows what CAIR really is:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/uae-designates-u-s-muslim-groups-terrorist-organizations-article-1.2013511
kinda like AIPAC
I'm against anarchy. No, really guys, trust me, I'm again anarchy.
George Washington:
You sir have been duped. The Moslem condemnation of terrorism you so proudly tout is a ruse. They pretend disapproval of terrorism in public, while supporting and funding it in private. Islam has been at war with the West for many centuries, and conquest and domination has always been the goal. No other religion currently murders in it's name and promotes world wide jihad.
Of course you will not heed my words, and to you everything to do with terrorism is either a" false flag" or it was perpretrated by an "effing Jew". Blindness and hatred are not charming qualities. Raise you consciousness and the truth will become clear.
Reserving our spot in the comment thread, are we?
Nah, just messing up. Youre too quick for me. I changed my mind because I went downvoting too.
I'm just razzing you, Mr. 156 ...
Have a good night, I've got to head out.
I hadn't downvoted Mr. Lucky's comment above. But now that you mention it, I just downvoted ...
Hahaha...
You caught me as I was edititng..
As I pointed out in 2010:
So, GW, are you suggesting that all these people who support this depraved and disgusting insane violence share in common a belief in an invisible, omnipotent, omnipresent Middle Eastern Sky God who talks to them when nobody else can hear and justifies everything they might do?
Makes Son of Sam seem sane. Fuck, at least everybody could see the dog, even if nobody else could hear the dog telling Son of Sam to kill.
Your "facts: are a false argument. The Caliphate appreciates your help and has a reward for you.
George, the muslim cop didn't have a gun, he had a baton...and a bicycle.
So I have no idea what he could have been "defending" unless he was trying to stop the bullets from hitting the sidewalk with his head.
It is said..Custer died for the White Mans Sins..but this man killed no one., and every day to protect the paper that mocked his religion It was a spinning chamber of a gun with a single bullet. , This was not a school crossing guard he was sitting on the razors edge of a paper hated by not just some Muslims. each day must have been lived with that nagging fear..I hope they dont publish some more bullshit today. .like Russian Roulette. Surely he knew this . Still He went to work with a baton..maybe pepperspray..certainly his employers knew better. I say brave man..a good man. There but for the Grace of God or whatever you believe or not believe go any one of us
You poor deluded fool.
He protected no one, he couldn't even protect himself. Twelve people were massacred "on his watch". He died like dog at the hand of "one of his brothers". There is nothing brave about riding your bicycle (unarmed) toward gunfire just because you're paid to do it, its called being stupid.
Just like Custer.
nmewn, is correct. stupid actions, seen it myself many times - many of us here are trying to find the cause of this attack, who directed, what directed it, for me it is damn near impossible ..we will never get enough true info to know..but i do know..these shooters are in every western country, they are like rabid dogs, there is no cure but to kill them. the evil fucks who set in motion the conflicts in the western nations, will avoid retrobution as always..they are secure protected rich and powerful and sick sociopaths.
The cause of the attack is called " I S L A M " .
Why don't jews condemn Israel's holocaust?
Glad there are some... but it's way short of what it should be.
What would happen if a Catholic sect was massacring offices full of atheists every other week? A billion Catholics would be denouncing them everywhere - posters to that effect would cover churches, houses and businesses. Strapping young Catholic lads would stand guard in front of atheist publications.
Maybe or maybe not. I remember going to Catholic school in Chicago in the early 1970s. I was in first grade and the IRA was the hero of Irish Catholics. We thought they were the "good guys" fighting against those "evil Protestants".
may as well just round the muslims up and kick them all out because they all support these murders, beheadings, vaginal mutilations ect...
Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil