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Ron Paul Decries "Obscene" Paris Attack: Blames Bad Foreign Policy
"This is pretty obscene," exclaims Ron Paul with regard the massacre in Paris, "libertarians are pretty annoyed by anybody who initiates violence." But, he adds, "I put blame on bad policy that we don’t fully understand," pointing out Western inability to see foreign policy from the attackers' perspective, as "they see us killing innocent people... that doesn't justify it... but it does explain it."
As Breitbart notes, on Wednesday’s “The Steve Malzberg Show” on NewsMax TV, former Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) tied the Paris shooting, along with other Western domestic terrorist attacks to the bad foreign policies of those countries.
“Partially what the Secretary of State said is true,” Paul said. “This is pretty obscene, when it comes to violence, and libertarians are pretty annoyed by anybody who initiates violence.
“The context of things, France has been a target for many, many years, because they’ve been involved in foreign affairs in Libya, and they really prodded us along in — recently in Libya, but they’ve been involved in Algeria, so they’ve had attacks like this, you know, not infrequently,” he added.
“So, it does involve, you know, their foreign policy as well. When people do this, you know, the rejection of the violence has to be made, and with that I agree. I put blame on bad policy that we don’t fully understand, and we don’t understand what they’re doing because the people who are objecting to the foreign policy that we pursue, they do it from a different perspective.
They see us as attacking them, and killing innocent people, so yes, they, they have — this doesn’t justify, so don’t put those words in my mouth — it doesn’t justify, but it explains it.”
Paul cited U.S. involvement in the Middle East that helped to inspire the rise of ISIS.
“And this is why we say if we had somebody do to us what we have done to so many countries in the Middle East, and how many people we’ve killed, and sending over drones, and bombing, being involved in all these wars, and supporting dictators one week, and taking away the support — and the stupidity of us sending all those weapons into Syria, ending up in the hands of ISIS — and right now we’re even sending more weapons.
You know, because ISIS took all the American weapons. It’s that overall policy which invites retaliation, and they see us as intruders. But it’s a little bit more complex, you know, when they hit us, either here at home, and hit civilians, and what’s happening in France. But I don’t think you can divorce these instances from the overall foreign policy.”
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Hey Ron...talk to your boy about who his friends are
the ifrst sane person ive heard with any kind of national voice. Its called blowback, and when you meddle in other countries affairs for decades like the US and europe, eventually this will happen. And yes, he does need to have a little talk with rand. Won't do any good though. Ron never compromised on his principles, which is why he isnt in the white house. Rand Paul no doubt shares many of his fathers opinions, but he is more than willing to say whatever is popular to win because he wants to be president a lot more than his father did, which is why you constantly hear him 'changing his mind' on things, such as foreign aid, among others.
Ron Paul brings gold to congressional hearings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI6tBwVjyOY
When Iran issued fatwa on Rushdie western foreign policy was pretty different. There’s a lot of anti-islam out there and they’re a way overused / demonized scapegoat but let’s face it, there’s one religion where you have pretty good possibility of calls of execution for publishing images of its prophets.
Western foreign policy is a contributor no doubt but some aspects of the extreme fringes of that religion need to be brought into the 19th century if going to co-exist with peers & really be the religion of peace. Most muslims seem well aware of that though.
I have to agree that Ron is kind of missing the point here. Assuming the story is true and not propaganda, we have a few criminals who decided to kill a bunch of people out of religious hatred. No different from a hundred other hate crimes that occur all the time, like some Klan member hanging a black dude. It's not really a geopolitical issue.
Speaking of Propaganda.
I don't know anymore.
Sandy Hook child victim Noah Pozner was killed twice! Also a victim in Pakistan Taliban shooting!http://www.disclose.tv/news/Sandy_Hook_child_victim_Noah_Pozner_was_kill...
Die, Already!
Nuke him twice. From orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
whats up with your kid Ron these days ? he is kissing the tribe's ass big time lately , does he want to be elected president ? does he know there is a price to that and no coming back
...or...does he know from his daddy that AIPAC runs the US. Unless he kisses their ass, there is NO WAY IN HELL he can get anything on his agenda passed. If he can at least keep us out of WW3 (which I doubt at this point), I will support him. He is the best of the possible candidates for prez.
Do I like Ron better? Of course I do.
AIPAC runs the show kiddies. They have for decades...
Putin did it!! Bomb Russia NOW..............Hmmm, why did my radio just stop working, why did I just turn as red as a lobster....what is that funny cloud?
If, when I arrive in heaven, I find that the Chosenites have beat me to it, I'm going to kick them all out.
Exactly...the NEOCONS want to take us to war. I'd like to avoid the radiation poisoning if possible.
No more Bush/Clinton's in whitehouse, no NEOCONS!
Um dude, think about it, who is in charge? PROGRESSIVES. Who has been in charge? PROGRESSIVES! Not a real constitutional conservative in sight for a long time.
Who sits on top of the biggest throne of corpses? PROGRESSIVES! Big government kills and is the biggest murderer ever in history, hundreds of millions in the last 100 years. Government=murderer=criminal. Who wants MOAR government? PROGRESSIVES do! Check the numbers.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM
neocon=progressive=murderer
progressive=death to millions
A real constitutional conservative does not interfere in the affairs of other sovereign nations.
Oh yeah, and not only do they kill, but progressives steal too. Remember Jon Corzine? Bet there is no constitutional conservatives at the FED or the US Treasury, Congress or Ovomit regime either.
Grimaldus
I'm personally done supporting anyone where the theory is that they say shit to get elected but "don't really mean it." In fact, I'm done voting period. It's pointless. Took me most of my adult life to figure that out, but it's a fact.
nothing to vote for, its all team purple anyway so why bother? best way forward is to withdraw completely, let the system eat itself and be smart enough to be one of the few standing when it all comes down. Instant Oligarch!!Shazaam!
its called...."Trojan Paul"
Noah Pozner is...unbreakable
Now that we know who you are, I know who I am. I'm not a mistake! It all makes sense! In a comic, you know how you can tell who the arch-villain's going to be? He's the exact opposite of the hero. And most times they're friends, like you and me! I should've known way back when... You know why, Noah? Because of the kids. They called me Mr Glass.
snopes explains it; re-use of school shooting victim photos
http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/peshawar.asp
That nice snopes couple can always be counted on to toe the AIPAC line.
Snopes is full of shit. I thought everyone knew that.
I missed it, just when was the last Klan hanging?
~"I have to agree that Ron is kind of missing the point here."~
Methinks Mr. Paul ia just another westerner who hasn't read the Qur'an. That leaders in the West aren't willing to put blame where it belongs, (on Islam's Profit Prophet Plan), which means this shit will continue to happen. If you want to create real change, start with the discussion of exactly who Mohammad was and what he did and what he stood for.
Then ban it and deport its adherents to Muslim countries.
LetThemEatRand wrote: "I have to agree that Ron is kind of missing the point here. Assuming the story is true and not propaganda, we have a few criminals who decided to kill a bunch of people out of religious hatred. No different from a hundred other hate crimes that occur all the time, like some Klan member hanging a black dude. It's not really a geopolitical issue."
agree with your assumption that if the story is true, it is not really a geopolitical issue
but then, imo, those murders were a honour killing
fact is that Charlie Hebdo depicted in some of their cartoons deities, concepts and persons that some hold for sacred in pornographic poses for pure ridicule, without any other message except contempt
Humour, yes. Disrespect and provocation... too
Probably nobody would kill the Pussy Riot girls for dancing naked on the altars of churches. But the Russian state did condemn them to a very long stay in prison
Perhaps nobody would kill me for burning US Flags on a public square in NY. But I bet the police would arrest me, and a judge would condemn me to some stay in prison
Why? Because Russians hold their churches for sacred and Americans hold their flag for sacred
Not everybody has a sense for the sacred. Some scientific research point to a theory that people are born with this sense of the sacred, other hold it as part of learned values, usually among conservatives
imo some of those cartoons were both childish and disgusting and of dubious value
and they do remind me of that old sketch of the white man dressing up in a superhero costume, going to a black ghetto, putting on a crash helmet, shouting on the top of his lungs: "NIGGER!!!"... and then running away
in ancient Roman times, a wise censor would have allowed the publication of some of those cartoons, but would also have put the authors on a public list of "people committing acts against morality, decency and civility"
Hey Ghordius....your excuses might be valid... in a MUSLIM country. Not France.
I don't see any excuses for those murderers in what I wrote
there is a cartoon from Charlie Hebdo where the Holy Trinity is being shown in the pornographic pose of a threesome
humourous, yes. decent, no
we hold decency as a value, and restrict the publication of pornographic material to mature audiences, don't we?
but when it comes to the sacred, we all ask for complete freedom... though not for Pussy Riot in Russia's churches and US Flag burnings in America?
meanwhile, my Holy Trinity is fair game, unrestricted, and so is the Prophet Mohammed of the Muslims?
Well the US and Russia made those decisions... France chose freedom of speech, so to argue that the muslims have a point in France, a non muslim country/ state, is fucking stupid. Decency? It's a fucking crappy drawing, who gives a shit?
Well, obviously some give a shit, don't they? I oppose unrestricted pornography, for example. I oppose a ban on pornography, but I also ask for restrictions on it's propagation
I don't want to open a magazine that even children can buy or switch on the TV during lunchtime and see a naked dick penetrating... whatever. And there, I'm regarded as in the norm
Why? Decency, and protection of the easily impressionable
In the same way, seeing the Holy Trinity engaged in sex... I find it indecent. Even if it's a cartoon, and you don't see naked dicks (though the Allseeing Eye "triangle" of the Holy Spirit - the same as on the Dollar notes - sticks in the naked butt of Jesus Christ, in that cartoon, but this is a quibble)
in the same way, whenever I see the Prophet of Islam drawn spreading his naked butt cheeks, with his asshole covered by a star... I find it indecent
add in that I know that there are easily impressionable people that get into a raging frenzy whenever you even draw a cartoon of the Prophet of Islam, because they see any depictions of the Prophet of God as an attack on all that they hold sacred...
then I want to protect them and the authors of those cartoons
so I extend my personal sense of indecency from all those extreme cartoons of Muhammed... to all cartoons of Muhammed
and if some Muslim thinks I ought to stop calling part of their youth as "easily impressionable"... well, I find it debatable. with some evidence to the contrary
nevertheless, not all freedom is seen as decent. we don't do it for pornography. why shouldn't we revise it and rediscuss it for the sacred?
Decency is subjective. Some find the burka to be the only decent clothing for a woman. Oh and I hope for your sake that your kids don't have acces to the internet.
absolutely agree, and I personally find burkas indecent
where France restricts the use of burkas, if my memory does not betray me, particularly in the "public space"
so I don't see why it shouldn't restrict some of the worst of other indecent things... on the grounds of indecency and protection of the easily impressionable
until your kids are more or less in your "domain", you can restrict somewhat their internet access, can't you?
Ghordius, is correct. but he fails to understand..those standards only exsist when you are dealing with Sane people, people with similar values , honest governments and laws..today we have none of those. corruption in finance and .gov has infected us all, in the west. we need a hitler to bring us back to sanity. for the normal is not going to work on the insane.
Hitler was sane?
Try reading Mein Kampf and maintaining that belief.
Because we are dealing with a subjective matter I will just give you my opinion. I find it a slippery slope. Muslims won't stop here I can garentee you that. Personally I hate rightious (lefties, greenies, politicians, whatever) and religious people and find them to be hypcrites of the highest order so making fun of them in any way is ok in my book. Edit: currently I'm not planning to put kids on the world. Maybe when the dust has settled. Luckily I'm still young. :)
You're either with us Ron, or you're with the terrorists.
I love Ron Paul, but he's got a blind spot when it comes to Islam. The problem with the "blowback" theory is that it doesn't square with US policy, which has been to undermine and/or outright attack and destroy secular middle-eastern regimes, and letting them get replaced with Islamic fundamentalist regimes. This policy has been in place going back to 1979, when Carter decided to withdraw support from the Shah, and let Iran fall into the hands of Islamists. Look at the track record-- Iran, Iraq, Egypt, and Libya are now in the hands of Islamists thanks to US foreign policy and military support. If Russia hadn't stood up and said "enough", Syria would be on that list too. And you might as well add Turkey to the list, as Islamists are now in charge there-- as a NATO member, there is NO WAY that Islamists wouldn't be in charge without our explicit support.
And yet, somehow, the "blowback" theorists want us to believe that Islamic terrorism is caused by our military action? Every single thing we have done in the last 35 years has HELPED the Islamists. Now, if it was secular arabs who were the terrorists, I'd understand the blowback theory, because life is now hell for secular arabs in the middle east, and you'd think they'd be fed up with us by now. But that isn't the case, is it?
Now the excuse is that Obama's drones are inflaming the middle east. But the drones never seem to hit any Islamic terrorists, do they? Plenty of reports of collateral damage and "mistakes", but only rarely are actual terrorists killed. They are either getting tipped off, or we are deliberately missing them, or both. Hmmm.
For whatever reason, the facts are clear: the United States directly opposes secular regimes, and indirectly supports Islamic fundamentalist terrorists. We make a big show of going after Islamic terrorists, but given the complete lack of results for 35 years, one must conclude that it is a giant public relations exercise to mask our true goals-- without admitting them, of course.
WHY???
right on.
I think you answered your own question. What we see from radical Islam is not always blowback in the sense of revenge (sometimes it is that), but rather blowback in the sense that radicals have replaced moderates in power, and the radicals in power egg on this kind of behavior. People complain about Islam being barbaric, and in many ways it is in places like Afghanistan. The culture has not advanced in part because world powers go in there every few years and remove whatever moderate power structure might exist. So the guys with funny hats who stone rape victims take charge. Think of it as going over to your neighbor's yard and hitting his sewage system with an axe every day. At some point you will notice a stink in your backyard.
America involves itself in the Middle East and keeps it unstable for a very simple reason. Oil.
All you guys are pretty quick to assume this is a muslim operation. Just like 911, London bombing, USS Liberty, underwear bomber, etc???
I'm not buyin' what these Alahu Akbar dudes are sellin.
I'm with you on not assuming anything. Taking the story at face value, these guys associated themselves with Islam and killed a bunch of people because they published cartoons that made fun of their prophet. That is hardly an "operation," it's just a bunch of nutjobs.
It's very kind of the nutjobs to always leave their passports or ID's behind. Don't ya think?
I have a bunker built out of passports. They survive everything, including fireballs that take down major skyscrapers.
I love a good conspiracy theory, but the fact that this attack was extensively documented on security tapes make it more unlikely that it was a false flag. Plus the fact that the offices had been firebombed a few years earlier meant that there was heightened scrutiny. According to Gabe Suarez, it was more likely an inside job-- a believable theory given that muslims have infested Paris and have established a real power base in the Banlieus.
"I will add the following after watching the footage with my staff several times.
What many do not know is that the GIGN has been watching and defacto protecting that media outlet since the firebombing a couple of years ago. GIGN is as capable and good at killing as any US PSD Group.
That these terrorists managed to find the keyhole into this, carry out their mission and then escape, is indicative of a highly trained paramilitary group...not some crazy guy with a gun. It also speaks to me of either a complete coincidence, a deliberate political order standing down of forces "at just the right moment", or an inside job.
Watching them move one can say they are no strangers to team tactics, killing, or special hit and run direct action. Hardly the lone wolf jihadist, or "sudden jihad syndrome", this was a well planned, supported and executed event."
http://blog.suarezinternational.com/2015/01/islamic-terror-strikes-franc...
"The culture has not advanced in part because world powers go in there every few years and remove whatever moderate power structure might exist."
Sorry-- that's bullshit. The west hasn't been at war with Islamic culture since the Islamic invaders were defeated at the gates of Vienna in 1683, and we turned back their bloody war against western civilization that raged on and off 900 years. Islam retreated back to its strongholds in the middle east and was left to their own devices for almost 300 years. During that period they mostly spent their time fucking young boys, marrying and fucking underage girls, and generally inbreeding and becoming worthless. Occasionally they would emerge and have to get beaten back into their holes--for example, the Barbary Wars of the early 19th century ("the shores of Tripoli"-- SEMPER FI). Or, they would get in the way of the British Empire, and would raise a stink (Sepoy Rebellion, 19th century Afghanistan, etc.) But largely these incidents were the exception, and not the rule.
Now, suddenly, they are back, attacking the west-- seemingly with our full support. WHY?
I'm no fan of Islam and with the exception of a few muslims I know who are basically westernized (one is a multi-millionaire who is kind of a dick, but no more a threat to me or you than Ron Paul), I have no real experience with them. But I know the West has been occupying their lands for the last several decades, and we do things like prop up Kingdoms. If Iraq had bases in Texas and routinely droned civilians, I think there would be plenty of Red Dawn cowboys out there killing every Muslim they could find. But who knows.
Until we invaded Iraq, the only lands we "occupied" were in Saudi Arabia-- because we were invited there. Why didn't the Islamic terrorists attack the Saudi royal family? Because those are the ones that caused the problem in the first place.
The narrative that we have been sold-- either from the Ron Paul libertarian side, or the US administration side-- doesn't add up. The truth is being hidden from us, and Ron Paul isn't really helping uncover the truth, he is simply representing the other side of the bullshit coin. Again-- I love Ron Paul, but he doesn't get everything right, and he is missing the mark here.
Somewhere, someone (or someones) are laughing their asses off because their lies have worked so ingeniously, for so long.
Buckaroo, the Saudis "invited us there" because we keep the King in power as part of a tit-for-tat with oil being sold in dollars. The Kingdom of Saudia Arabia is well armed with pretty cool American warplanes and other military equipment. The US and other western powers have also provided weapons to other Western-friendly governments throughout the Middle East for decades. When Kuwait was invaded by Iraq, we came rushing in to take it back. When Russia eyed Afghanistan, we armed Bin Laden. When Iraq bombed the World Trade center in Pearl Harbor, we took out Saddam. The entire region is a puppet of Western powers, and has been for decades. What is your agenda?
American foreign policy has been active in destabilizing the region since WW2, the jihadi jockeys have been baited into violence by amerian economic and political terrorism for 60 years, just like in Vietnam, Venezuela, Honduras,Nicuragua and on and on, the play book is old and there's no shortage of either evidence and/or proof you just have to look at it.
Read the CIA's manual on counter terrorism and you'll realize this is a long and well developed path of sowing violence in order to enact your own program of " cleansing", Fascism is alive and well in the USSA
There is a big flaw in your logic: US foreign policy has been anything but consistent since WW2. From 1945 to 1979, we installed secular strongmen to stabilize the region for its oil. Then, in 1979, we started going in the exact opposite direction when we threw the Shah overboard and gave Iran to the Islamic fundamentalists. Since then, we have been overthrowing secular regimes in favor of fundamentalist ones-- destabilizing the region. We went one way for 35 years, then did a 180 degree turn and have gone the opposite way for 35 years. Why?? And on top of that, why have we lied about what was obviously a major change in direction for 35 years?
Soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1979. Soviets helped depose the Shah in 1979. The US was losing. The old ways were not working. We armed the Mujahideen and that led furthur down the spiral.
exactly Fuu, they installed puppet dictators that didn't work in being able to control resources and popular uprisings worked hard to get rid of the obvious american sycophants, this was made very clear in central america in the 80's under Raygun's watch. They were losing every decade 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's so they said fuck it! We're the fucking MIC and have the biggest stick. We can't be blatant fascists about it but if we destabilize the regions and make it violent enough we can have the right to pre-emptively "defend" ourselves. Ever heard that meme before? *cough* Colin Powell * cough* Bush/Cheney.
Yes maybe they switched tactics but the end goal was always the same, economic control of resources. The DoD is the biggest consumer of hydrocarbons in the world and you can't run a petro dollar hegemony on ponies and buttefly farts now can you.
My "agenda" is to understand what the fuck is actually going on. The region may or may not be a "puppet of Western powers"-- I am willing to accept that it is for sake of argument. But if that is the case, why are we actively promoting Islamic fundamentalist regimes in the region? Why--after decades of "puppeteering"-- are there more terrorists than ever, and fewer secular governments than ever? Why do we SAY that we are against terrorism and Islamic fundamentalist governments, and yet everything we ACTUALLY DO is the precise opposite?
And don't tell me it's because of oil. If that was the case, we would be looking to STABILIZE the region by supporting secular governments, not DESTABILIZE it by promoting Islamic fundamentalists.
And while we're talking about agendas, why don't you stop parrotting one of the two standard agendas, and actually think it through for yourself?
It's very simple. Stable governments sitting on huge amounts of oil may decide to do business in a different currency. Even Saudi Arabia is in question at the moment, because the old King is dying. Unstable governments are more easily manipulated, and controlled by force. And a few dead cartoonists will cause an entire region of the West -- including those guys with "co-exist" stickers on their Priuses -- to consider unleashing the gates of hell on the Middle East in the name of safety. The oligarchs aim to control the world and its resources. Many here on ZH are basically calling for a full out war against Islam because a few guys who (according to official news sources) identified themselves as muslim killed a handful of people in a very public display (unlike the drone killings that take place daily off the radar). Do the math.
You really need to understand Islam and its history a little better. If you are interested in actually learning about it, start here:
"Holy Warriors: Islam and the Demise of Classical Civilization"
http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Warriors-Demise-Classical-Civilization/dp/098...
As far as the idea that we are dethroning secular regimes because they might not want to use dollars-- it simply doesn't make much difference. The amount of dollars used in the petrodollar trade is a tiny fraction of all the dollars currently in existence. If this was 1975, I might agree with you, but by the time we invaded Iraq it just didn't make a difference any more.
As far as the idea that we are dethroning secular regimes because they might not want to use dollars-- it simply doesn't make much difference. The amount of dollars used in the petrodollar trade is a tiny fraction of all the dollars currently in existence. If this was 1975, I might agree with you, but by the time we invaded Iraq it just didn't make a difference any more.
God damn, you're on a roll tonight, aren't you fuckwit? 32 BILLION barrels of oil are consumed a year; even at the reduced price of $50 a barrel thats > 1.5 TRILLION dollars, you fucking moron.
Furthermore, until recently no nation that imports oil could avoid having to have USD to pay for them. What do you think the petrodollar is all about, you idiot?
Oh, that's right, you're 'Buckaroo Banzai' - you don't think, you just spew whatever ziobullshit you're told to.
A turd that speaks. You can make good money as a sideshow freak, what are you doing wasting your time here?
Fantastic, irrefutable rebuttal of all my points. Well done!
"including the guys with the co-exist stickers on their priuses"
Thats really what this all leads to, isnt it? Orchestrated or not, and regardless of which of you is right, this attack is just what is needed to get those people with those stupid stickers to quake with fear from the mighty jihadi terrorists. Couldn't have come at a better time either. Its becoming increasingly clear that absent direct US involvment, this ISIS situation isnt going to get better, nor is assad likely to go away any time soon. These kind of things need to happen every so often to advance the agenda. People in the US and europe are increasingly tired of their govts getting involved in those places, and these attacks tend to polarize people. And the types who put 'co-exist' stickers on their cars are invariably the types who believe in their bnevolent govt, and want it to help them and keep them safe, no matter how many of their freedoms they lose in the process
Forget everything you think you know regarding the history of American foreign policy. That would be a fine start.
"The culture has not advanced in part because world powers go in there every few years and remove whatever moderate power structure might exist."
Sorry-- that's bullshit. The west hasn't been at war with Islamic culture since the Islamic invaders were defeated at the gates of Vienna in 1683...
...Or, they would get in the way of the British Empire, and would raise a stink (Sepoy Rebellion, 19th century Afghanistan, etc.)..
Lulz. BB, everyone knows by now you've got a lot of ziocock in your mouth; so much that it appears to be stopping you seeing your own contradictions.
Ah, the retarded "Jooz BAD, therefore Islam GOOD" logic.
I'm against the zionists in Israel, and certainly believe that there is something entirely fishy about the state of Israel ever since it was conceived in 1917, and used to get the US into WW1. But there is something else going on here. And, it is intellectually impossible to make a case for Islam. It is not a religion, it is a political system of profound ignorance and evil that only seeks to dominate and destroy.
No, YOUR logic is always Islam Bad, therefore Jews Good, therefore we must support 'brave little Israel' the bastion of democracy and secular Western values in a Sea of Barbarism.
We saw and remember your endless gloating and support for the Zios during the Gaza campaign.
What a sleazy, dishonest, dissembling prick you are.
There is an annoying noise. And what's that smell?
Yes, I expect people comment on it wherever you go.
America involves itself in the Middle East and keeps it unstable for a very simple reason. Oil.
+1
Oil.. and Zion.
watching CNN now, surely Jacob Tapper and Wolf Blitzer (ex AIPAC) will get to the bottom of this mess!
Later, Gloria Borger and Dana Bash will give us the DC angle, can't wait
"one must conclude that it is a giant public relations exercise."
So it's a double stupid policy. We put the militant Sunnis in power, not the secularists, but our propaganda convinces those in power that we are oppressing them.
You think it might be our close relationship to the nation that hosts the most virulent form of Islam?
in a otherwise stellar site,you are a blemish,a double digit IQ moron.
Buckaroo Banzai, pretending to furrow his beetling brows: I love Ron Paul, but he's got a blind spot when it comes to Islam. The problem with the "blowback" theory is that it doesn't square with US policy, which has been to undermine and/or outright attack and destroy secular middle-eastern regimes, and letting them get replaced with Islamic fundamentalist regimes.
There's no mystery, asswipe; the US destabilises any country that is seen to be inimical to either its or Israel's interests, regardless of its veneer of Islamic religiosity.
Carter didn't 'let' Iran go; the Shah's dictatorial 'secular' regime was overthrown by a nation that tired of his tyranny. Too bad the citizenry allowed a bunch of theocrats to rule them instead, but that's democracy for you.
Saddam in Iraq? Introduced oil pricing in euro. Actively supported Palestinian 'terrorism'. Gone.
Mubarak in Egypt? The US supported him until it was clear that even with their support he was doomed. Then encouraged Sisi to overthrow the democratically-elected Morsi because he refused to deep throat your zio paymasters. Sponsored Sis's coup, pretended it wasn't one so they could continue giving the weapons he'd need to keep ramming ziocock up 'his' peoples' asses, and have turned a blind eye to mass political executions.
Libya? Wanted to introduce a gold dinar. Gone.
Assad? Wants some land back from your ziopaymasters. Major ally of Iran, another enemy of your paymasters. Gone (almost).
BTW, cunt, in Islam, only gold and silver are acceptable forms of money. How many of these 'Islamist' regimes are demanding Uncle Sam pay for oil with either?
Exactly.
Now go swallow your zio-semen and tell your masters you've failed. Again.
You are quite retarded if you think that Carter didn't let Iran go. We put the Shah in power back in the 50s, and kept him there with our support. When we pulled the rug out from under him, he collapsed, because he was our puppet. If you didn't have shit for brains, you might ask, why did Carter pull the rug out?
But you really reveal your worthlessness when you talk about Islam's requirement to use gold and silver. If you knew the first fucking thing about Islam, you would know that Islam couldn't give two shits about paying infidels with their own worthless paper money.
As far as Saddam and Gaddafi wanting to use Euros or gold to buy oil-- so what? It wasn't going to amount to a popcorn fart in a hurricane.
You are an ignorant turd.
You are quite retarded if you think that Carter didn't let Iran go. We put the Shah in power back in the 50s, and kept him there with our support. When we pulled the rug out from under him, he collapsed, because he was our puppet. If you didn't have shit for brains, you might ask, why did Carter pull the rug out?
Says zioshill 'Buckaroo' Banzai, without any evidence that Carter 'pulled the rug' out from under the Shah, who was dieing of cancer at the time and faced such broad-based resistance to his rule that some in the State Department thought the US should be aiding them rather than the Shah. However, Carter adhered to Brzezinski's and Schlesinger's advice, ignoramus, but the US - a mere half a decade after losing Viet Nam - was in no position to stop such a popular revolt.
But you really reveal your worthlessness when you talk about Islam's requirement to use gold and silver. If you knew the first fucking thing about Islam, you would know that Islam couldn't give two shits about paying infidels with their own worthless paper money.
And you think that's a rebuttal to
BTW, cunt, in Islam, only gold and silver are acceptable forms of money. How many of these 'Islamist' regimes are demanding Uncle Sam pay for oil with either?
Not only are you an amoral, twisty little shill but a stupid one to boot.
There's that smell again.
There's that complete inability to back up assertions using facts or logic again. Must be... Buckaroo Banzai, ziotroll.
uh...just a little bit further back in history.....Iran had a democratically elected leader.
The C.I.A. took him out all for....wait....here it comes....BP.
So our destructive policies put a dictator in place that fermented the rise of radicals in that area.
FYI
" This policy has been in place going back to 1979, when Carter decided to withdraw support from the Shah, and let Iran fall into the hands of Islamists." You have to go back even farther, the rise of the fundamentalists in Iran was blowback from the CIA killing of Mossadegh. We just need to mind our own fucking business. Who died and made us the deciders of what form of government other sovereigns should have?
I dunno. . . ISIS sounds awfully familiar.
Take the Taliban and al Qaeda, for instance. Back in the very, very late 1990s, DIA analysti journeyed to Pakistan and Afghanistan, met with numerous types, including the leader of the Northern Alliance, Ahmad Shah Massoud.
From him and other sources Ms. Sirrs returned to the DIA with information on the Taliban/al Qaeda, warning of an impending terrorist attack on US soil, and evidence implicating the oil company, Unocal, and the CIA in the financing and arming of the Taliban and al Qaeda.
Her evidence was confiscated and her security clearance revoked, and she was forced out of the DIA (can't do much without a clearance at the DIA or CIA or NSA).
Next, with the recent release of the summary of the US Senate's report on CIA torture, and the stories surrounding it ("Queen of Torture" by Jane Meyers over at The New Yorker) and even better stuff at The Intercept at firstlook.org), we now know that the entire 9/11 script, from start to finish, was controlled by just several people.
Alfreda Bikowsky, Jose Rodriguez, Jr., Petras and perhaps one other, were aware of those 9/11 hijackers but sat upon that information.
They were the same ones who released those Osama video tapes.
The same ones responsible for destroying those 92 torture tapes the Senate requested in their investigation.
The same who lied about torture to the Senate.
Just a few people at a $44 billion per year budgeted CIA controlled everything?
Something mighty fishy about this, since after 9/11 Bikowsky was promoted again and again.
While Julie Sirrs was forced out of the DIA?
Ron Paul is obscene. Rand Paul is even worse.
Ron Paul is about as interesting as Ross Perot.
Remember Ross Perot?
Not only do we need to question Rand Paul we need question Ron as well. Perhaps he is just limited in his commitment while wanting to be remembered as the rebel but:
Has Ron ever mentioned the possibility that 911 was CIA/Mossad? (He has access to more information.)
Has Ron ever mentioned the Fed is owned by jews or that every head of the Fed as been jewish?
Has Ron ever mentioned the high number of jews who are appointed to run govt offices. (Such as IRS)
Has Ron ever mentioned the conflicts of dual (Israel) citizens who dominate the govt?
Has Ron a private, expert examination of the evidence for Sandy Hook, Boston, 911 due to the inconsistencys?
Has Ron ever openly criticized Israel?
In this case Ron is supporting, without question, that this act was committed by the claimed individuals and takes focus off of questioning what is being claimed as truth.
Seems Charlie Hebdo writer is charged for making fun of the chosen.
"Maurice Sinet, 80, who works under the pen name Sine, faces charges of "inciting racial hatred" for a column he wrote last July in the satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo. The piece sparked a summer slanging match among the Parisian intelligentsia and ended in his dismissal from the magazine.
"L'affaire Sine" followed the engagement of Mr Sarkozy, 22, to Jessica Sebaoun-Darty, the Jewish heiress of an electronic goods chain. Commenting on an unfounded rumour that the president's son planned to convert to Judaism, Sine quipped: "He'll go a long way in life, that little lad."
A high-profile political commentator slammed the column as linking prejudice about Jews and social success. Charlie Hebdo's editor, Philippe Val, asked Sinet to apologise but he refused, exclaiming: "I'd rather cut my balls off."
Mock Jews, you get fired.
Mock the prophet, you get fired at.
@ActionJacksonBrownie
Here it is:
http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/2008/07/17/sine-vire-charlie-hebdo-en-deuil-p...
Find your own translator, "because you're worth it".
I'll tell you what is obscene Ron, MOSSAD.
an organised commando raid
commando style
MOSSAD
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"by way of deception thou shalt do war" - but no it definitely couldn't have been them, that would be a wacko anti semitic conspiracy theory lol
This attack has not much to do with foreign politics but with a alien culture immigrating in the country of a total different culuture. Paul is on the wrong trail here.
Agreed. Peronal hero but I think he's being naive here.
The muslim cuddling is strong on ZH today... Let's just forget about the Sharia zones in western cities... they are a peaceful bunch I tell ya! The west is to blame for everything!!! Probably Mossad setting up those zones. I can't believe I'm on Zerohedge, a site with great anti everything satire, reading a fuckton of posters who defend or find excuses for the killing of fucking cartoonists... Fucking pisses me off.
The pro-Islam propaganda matrix is powerful. The fact that even many ZHers can't penetrate it demonstrates how powerful it is. But, gradually, more and more people here are starting to wake up.
As a huge Ron Paul supporter, I myself subscribed to his "blowback" theories, and my perception of Islam was that it was just another religion, albeit with a few extremely violent, but marginalized, adherents. Finally, three or four years ago, I started to do some investigation. The reality, of course, is that Islam is not a religion, it is a political system, and it is the secular, non-religious muslims that are marginalized, and the insanely violent ones that actually are at the center of the "religion".
No fuck.Too many hasbra trolls.
How does an anti-worker, anti-labor like Paul get to be your hero?
Is this Jamie Dimon?
Ron Paul is square on. He'll be destroyed in MSM for saying it though and they'll chop his comments up into something suitable for them,
Ron Paul 2016, PLEASE...
same as 911, a Mossad operation - they even car bombed a synagogue for better messaging
Wackoism.
Hanni Hanjour would disagree...
I like Ron Paul, but what happened in Paris has zero to do with foreign policy. I don't want to "understand" people that think it's their duty to shoot cartoonists because they made a political cartoon that offends them.
Islam is the problem here. I have issues with America being the world's Sheriff and sticking our nose where it doesn't belong, but that's not why these animals kill.
While I have no love for Islam and am a Christian, it isn't like people didn't do bad things in the name of Christianity (read Crusade) or because they felt God was on their side. Listen to the garbage coming out of most Christian nationalists here that think we should implicitly back Israel and be in a holy war with Islam.
Ron Paul didn't say it was only because of foreign policy, but it seems pretty obvious that if France had a neutral foreign policy, they would be less likely to be a target of terrorism from Muslims. In other words, bad foreign policy like Ron Paul speaks of is often responsible for creating an environment where people like these are enticed to terrorism.
"if France had a neutral foreign policy, they would be less likely to be a target of terrorism from Muslims."
and more a target for the chosen
come paris 19 and 20th blocks, check about on every 100ppl how much white you can see n count, then, you will speak.
france is divided, whites are now in minority in big cities.
Muslims concentrate on those countries which are the least likely to fight back. France, you bet!
It wouldn't matter one bit what France's foreign policy is.
What about the Dutch cartoonist that made fun of Mohammed, was the Netherlands foreign policy the real issue?
This is almost like the same crowd that wants to excuse every crime committed by blacks because it's payback for American slavery 150 years ago. So now we're bringing the Crusades that happened over 800 years ago?
I don't care how neutral a country's foreign policy is, these people are going to keep killing because it's an evil death cult. Our PC culture is afraid to call them out for what they are.
their other problem is that they let too many of those people immigrate into their country. Once they are there, they cordone themselves off in their own communities, and live off the lavish welfare states in those countries. Once one of them is there, it is relativly easy to get residency and get the rest of your family into the country as well, where they will be taken care of by the rapdily decreasning number of people who actually work and pay taxes in those countries. They breed like rats, rapidly overtaking natives in those countries in birth rate. This will not end well for those countries due to that factor alone, regardless of what their foreign policy is
Do you really know anything about the Crusades before you throw out stupid cliches?
Read up on the Seljuk Turks and Byzantines before commenting.
that fucks with the moral relativism narrative though homey
What he's saying is that Its basically all tied together.. Kinda in the same way the The Fed causes financial repression, destruction of the middle class, enablement of the welfare/warfare state, etc. with its money printing mechanism.
Had western interests had a different foreign policy approach, it's likely the aggression of these rogue Islamic groups would be minimal. This is all blowback for occupying their holy lands, killing innocent people in illegal wars, economic sanctions that hurt average people, etc.
It's not tied together.
If the publication had not released those cartoons mocking Mohammed, they would still be alive.
Look, if these guys want to storm a French military base or Parliament, then we can talk about foreign policy blowback. But people who write satire?
And the comparisons to Christianity or really any other religion are ridiculus. Any Western publication could have picture mocking Christ or Buddha and would not have a massacre on their hand. HAd the same publishers released the same pictures but with Christ instead, they would still be alive.
Islam is not a religion of peace.
No, but you should not presume to act on behalf of Christ based on what you think he would want. Christ doesn't need anyone to fight his battles. He is God. The Crusades were political and had people doing awful things in the name of God.
These Muslims were clearly evil and there is no excuse for it. But I agree with Ron Paul, foreign policy does help explain why this is happening with some frequency. If these were terrorists with a known terror group like ISIS, it is clear why ISIS exists. ISIS wants the west out of their lands and they are quite vocal about that. If the west weren't in lands traditionally occupied by Muslims, ISIS wouldn't even exist.
You are being a tool. Islam represents an existential threat to Christianity-- what ISIS is doing to Christians now in the Middle East is exactly what they have been doing to Christians for 1300 years. The Crusades happened as a response to this existential threat. Unfortunately, you can't shovel shit without getting some on your shoes. The Crusades weren't pretty but they were necessary. The problem with going to war with Islam is that you are going to pick up some of their filthy habits-- when you are fighting pure evil, some of it is going to rub off. It's an unfortunate fact of human nature. It isn't a coincidence that we invented waterboarding while fighting muslim terrorists in the Phillipines back in the early 20th century. Islam is so evil that even just fighting it can poison one's soul. But it's either run the risk of that, or they wind up slaughtering you.
The existential threat is the subverted occupation governments encouraging the unilateral colonization of white nations by hostile nonchristians and non-whites. Hispanics and latinos self-identify as hispanics and latinos. They aren't white and don't care to assimilate. They are hostile.
There are those dang blinders again. The comparisons to Christian extremists are far from ridiculous and it isn't hard to enumerate numerous examples of Christian extremists who have gone on killing sprees because of their skewed beliefs: Timoth McVeigh and Jim David Adkinsson were just two relatively well-known killers who considered themselves to be good Christians and then killed a bunch of innocent people.
For an entire organziation complete with a flag and a history of terrorist attacks in the name of Christianity go check out the Army of God. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_%28United_States%29
you don't know shit about OK city, son
"Dark Space", huh? Like what's between your ears?
Peddle that shit elsewhere.
Honestly, you have blinders on that are probably fastened so tight they wouldn't come off if the truth smacked you in the forehead. The Islamic community has overwhelmingly rejected the actions of the radicals who carried out this action. That being said, I still think the world is at risk from religious extremists (frankly from all religions - both the Bible and Koran are full of passages that both literally and figuratively describe actions that are ethical reprehensible by any normal current-day standards), but if you think 1 out of 4 humans are "the problem", then you're missing something and you're arguing an unwinnable position by sheer numbers of the opposing force, if nothing else.
Go and ask any Muslim if someone who insults the prophet should be punished and see what the majority tell you. Of course you might expect them to lie to your face if you are not a Muslim. You are naive.
You are getting marked down as you are obviously right, there is a pattern of Muslim boys being brutal to the young women there who reject their advances (several cases of setting them on fire, etc.).
How many did the French kill in the illegal war against Libya? How many protested that illegal war with "I am Libyan" slogans?
Sarzkozy took millions of Euros in illegal contributions from Gaddafi and then fucked him.
Libya becomes a failed state thanks to French bombing and no one cares. Hundreds of thousands die and millions have horrible lives.
Blowback can be such a bitch. As is karma.
Nicolas Sarkozy DID take $50 million of Muammar Gaddafi's cash, French judge is told
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nicolas-sarkozy-did-take-...
And France played a role in the creation of ISIS, the jihadist group stamped "Made in America:"
The fact remains, however, that the US, the major European powers, and their regional allies all previously lent financial, military and political support to ISIS and similar groups, which have “Made in the USA” stamped all over them.
For three years, the US, along with the Gulf states and Turkey, poured billions into “opposition” groups, supposedly to unnamed “moderates,” but in reality to Al Qaeda-linked Sunni groups such as al-Nusra and ISIS to spearhead a sectarian war. The US, Turkey and Jordan have operated a base in Jordan where US instructors trained dozens of ISIS members. In an article last year, the New York Times confirmed that the CIA assisted Arab governments and Turkey by airlifting weaponry to these groups in Jordan and Turkey. The Guardian reported last March that British and French instructors were also involved.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/isis-j30.html
Have never found Ron Paul to be wrong. Or lacking courage to speak his mind.
France regularly supplies troops and equipment for wars in the Middle East.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuuG4iT_J5Q
But hey, much more convenient to believe cartoons are responsible.
Another blowback for France:
France risks losing $20 billion Rafale contract in India due to refusing Mistral ships to Russia:
France risks losing a contract to supply 126 fighter jets to India due to its refusal to deliver Mistral-class ships to Russia, a leading French analyst told the Delovoi Peterburg website. French officials said this week that they will not deliver the first Mistral-class amphibious warship that Russia had ordered as part of a $1.7 billion agreement for weapons sale.
The biggest repercussion would be a loss of reputation for France as a reliable supplier, Arnaud Dubien, a Russia research associate at the Institut de relations Internationales et Strategiques said. “Officials from the French Ministry of Defence, in private conversations acknowledge that if they fail to deliver the Mistral to Russia, then France will lose its contract to supply 126 fighter jets to India,” Dubien said.
http://defencenews.in/defence-news-internal.aspx?id=WA109BW1VPo=
Ron Paul has some moments, but he is an idiot for saying this.
1.) As a Libertarian, he should understand that everybody is accountable for their own actions. These guys committed murder, and it's on them. Period. If somebody else did somethign that pissed them off, that's no excuse.
2.) Ron obviously knows nothing about the history of militant Islam in Europe. These guys were jobless losers, and no matter what, they were going to kill somebody in the name of Islam to make themselves feel like heroes. It's much more fulfilling to be an avenger of Islam than an unemployed pizza delivery boy. If there had been no Charlie Hebdo, they would have gone after the next best thing. If there had been no USA, some other cosmic injustice would have pissed them off.
So being a jobless loser motivates somebody to go on a killing spree? I suppose that's possible, but I'd say it's much more likely that hearing something like your cousins have been droned would drive a person to kill.
Nope, seeking to be something other than worthless and insignificant is what drives them. Droning of terrorists by America is irrelevant.
Supporting facts:
- The same kind of people tried to kill Rushdie for his "transgressions" long before anybody ever heard of a drone.
- If killing Muslims is what enraged them, then they would be murdering supporters of ISIS. ISIS has killed orders of magnitude more Muzzies than all the western drone attacks put together. So has the the Taliban. So has the Iranian theorcracy. So has the Assad family. So have the Russians. But none of them are target for these types, are they?
MSM spoon fed lackey, don't forget to DVR Hannity at 9pm
Thank you so much for posting these last few days. I've learned a lot from your posts and those of other Zionist Israel supporting nutjobs. The way you fuckers stir things up with glee, the way you incite hate, the way you squeal and whine with false accusations of antisemitic bullshit when anyone turns the table on you and criticize your demented belief systems and your country's actions.
The thing about Dr.Paul you do not understand is his wisdom in trying to stop this kind of madness altogether. Not perpetuate it, not make it worse, but stop it. Just as I would like to stop it from ever happening again. He isn't excusing it, he isn't condoning it, but just as many brilliant tacticians have learned since the age of SunTsu, he is trying to understand the mind of his enemy - the extremists and why they are growing.
Even forgetting that this attack in Paris came within a month of the French and Irish parliaments calling for the recognition of the State of Palestine, just 48 hours after Hollande turned his back on the US and called for the end of sanctions against Russia, this problem with the boiling anger simmering beneath the surface of muslims living among us who are as sick of these fucking murdering morons as we all are, who vocalise their sentiments to no avail because no msm would ever broadcast anything that opposes their narrative, yet at every moment of every day have to face the shame and guilt of being associated with insane scum who murder in the name of their religion. This problem will not go away with even more hate and scorn and murder of innocent people who live among us and live in countries we regularly bomb to steal their resources. This is Newton's third law: To every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. When you keep on killing, bombing, stealing, insulting, lying, and cause suffering of their people - just like everyone else, they will take vengeance. Then we'll take vengeance for their vengeance, and it will never fucking end until somebody comes up with a "bright" plan like Hitler's final solution and have us all participate in genocidal mania. Thanks, but no thanks.
Believe it or not, I've never had any problems with muslims throughout my life. Not fucking once. Two people I know to be muslim; my GP and a colleague are both decent, compassionate human beings who are as far away from these Islamic nutjobs as it is possible. Yet, I'd bet even they get fucking stressed when sick cunts like you keep goading them with insults.
The thing that sticks in my craw is the fact that zionist cunts will defend the indefensible - their subjugation of Palestinians, their theft of lands, their illegal settlements, their bombings, their sick religious rituals like infant genital mutilation, their thieving banksters and then will go positively apeshit about anti-semitism the moment the J-word is associated with any negative facts. But I have noticed from those just like you, zionists post the most vile hateful bullshit about others at every opportunity to stir things up. Why is that? When people insult catholics like myself about paedophile priests, I don't defend the sick bastards or the vatican. So why the fuck do you defend this sickness called Israel? I am not the only one here who finds it strange that this incident only truly benefits Israel and the US in punishing France for its recent independent actions against them. It certainly doesn't do muslims any favours, does it?
It was only the year before last when our own foreign secretary, William Hague (infamous for being "A friend of Israel"), was positively encouraging the funding, training, and arming of the most vile islamic fundamentalists in Syria to defeat Assad. The whole thing is insane. Extremists, whether they are Islamic nutjobs or Zionist nutjobs, appear to be very similar in all the sick ways they act and express themselves. That can't be a coincidence. Life is a zero sum game. Every moron dies. But you know what? If we keep perpetuating this stupidity, it is going to last beyond all of our lives to the next generation and beyond. That is not a legacy I want to leave to my children and Dr.Paul is absolutely right to reflect on our foreign policies as the root causes of extremism as others in the intelligence community have already warned for years.
It's annoying listening to people make excuses for a violent, ignorant, and hate-filled political ideology thinly disguised as a religion.
YHC-FTSE- Well said. I pray every day that the ass wipe, parasitic Zio bastards are hung by their ankles and drawn and quartered .
This is another poorly scripted psyop. This video shows the "gunman" shooting the French officer at point blank range: no head recoil and no blood...looks like they were shooting blanks. Nice - perfect- camera angle for the drill too.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SuAN9il7BNU
We goaded some folks. Now a few get filthy rich bilking the people, enslaving them with their own tax dollars. Pissed off ragheads are the key ingredient to building the facist state.
Islam is the religion of peace. The definition of "peace" in Islam means everyone on the planet must be a Muslim and worship Allah, or be slaughtered in a most violent way, then there will be peace on earth. Next time you hear our dear leaders say Islam is a religion of peace, remember what that word means to a Muslim, not what it means to Jesus and Santa Claus.
Ignorant buffoon : to give just 2 quotes from Quraan "There is no compulsion in faith" (Chapter 2 verse 255) and "To you your faith and to me my faith" (Chapter 109 verse 6) and there's loads more with the same meaning. Ottoman empire ruled Balkans for 500 years, no forced conversions, not one. Muslim empire ran Spain 800 years where Jews had jobs in the government and Christians of Europe intermarried (especially monarchies). The Jews of Iran today not only have their own synagogues but are allowed to make and possess their own wines and alcohol, it's only illegal for Muslims to own. People like you spout totally uninformed bigoted drivel, how tedious.
There is no compulsion of faith in Islam? You must think you are talking to a bunch of idiots.
Maybe you could explain the very Muslim leader of Chechnya and the very Christian leader of Russia and their relationship ?
Or perhaps give us a lesson as to where all those non violent Muslim refugees fleeing the death zones should go ? Let me guess, they should stick around their hometowms and watch their families killed......so that the US could back their debt based curreny on oil and you can live beyond your means ? Shouldnt you be masturbating while watching your stock ticker right now ?
Good grief !
then why would a 9 year old third grader getting on a school bus say to the bus driver; "we will kill you infidels" - fact, my wife heard it. somalian origin...yea, sure religion of peace- peace of bullshit-wake the fuck up.
http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/peace-with-islam-in-our-time.html
Hey Muh Raf, peddle your Islamic bullshit elsewhere. There is so much hate in the Koran, I don't even know where to start quoting from it. So take your Koran quotes and stuff them up your ass sideways.
santa claus? what a mental giant you are. LMAO
Have a look on these boys and girls and YOU DECIDE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz4w7gVqMt0#t=14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUuYSft1fOw&bpctr=1420756841
I am waiting for some more news out of Paris. But so far NO BLOOD. Economy on the Ketchup??
It is going to hurt The Tomato Industrialist.
I hope they do NOT delete these videos.
Tyler why do we have to be subjected to this lying fuck John Kohn...couldn't you have cut that part out?
Ron Paul is totally off base here.
It had nothing to do with foreign policy.
It has everything to do with current domestic policy
France encouraged the islamization of it's cities and towns.
Now the fucking weenie armed cowards want to blame foreign policy.
You made the bed, now sleep in it you fucking french assholes.
Worthless beyond all measure the french are.
Horrible fucking people, horrible fucking land, horrible fucking language.
Filthy accomodating socialist pigs
The French and the Americans are the most similar between American culture and European cultures - I think that's why Americans tend to hate the French (which are a hateable people, for sure), they remind them of themselves - arrogant, prideful (with no good rason), exaggerated sense of how important they are to the rest of the world, not really that great as soldiers but like to pretend they are, hate Germans and most everyone else, the Black plays a dominant role in the culture - the French are probalby jealous their president is not a mulatto. Much the same, the French and the Americans.
now, now, just eat your french fries like a good little boy. lol
I don't think western freedom if speach and Islam is a good combination. However Ron Paul has a point there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0EjtTpeNDY
this no blood 'assassination will stay up longer'.
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Yesterday I expelled a turd that looks just like the prophet Mohammad. I thought I was going to be rich so I asked my imam if it was worth anything. Sadly, he told me that many turds look like the last prophet so it isn't that valuable. If anyone wants it, it's available.
Don't give up your day job.
Ron Paul a voice of sanity like always. Too bad even the ZH crowd is so easily whipped into a frenzy of hatred and verbal puke. But then, the people on this site do seem to be more racist than average.
The fact is, the French government, like the US and most other Western governments, stuffed up. They have done 2 fundamentally inconsistent things:
In most Western countries, parties on the left depend on Muslim votes (93% of them in France voted for Hollande) and, so far, parties on the right have not had the gumption to do what most of their people want, ie to stop and reverse the invasion.
So the root cause is a combination of treason with stupidity and arrogance.
You could argue that the destabilization of the Middle East has led to a lot of Muslim immigration in Europe.
This is easily seen in Sweden, where immigrants come from places that the US has fucked over and bombed repeatedly like Somalia, Iraq, and Syria.
i'd say letteing them in has led to a lot of muslim immigration in europe. but that's just me.
Wow, thanks. I feel so much smarter now.
What's a France?