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A Winter Wonderland Of Fear: US Cities To Ban Unregulated Sledding
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Shutting down sledding hills is inspired by the same sort of simpering caution that keeps Americans shoeless in airport security lines and, closer to home, keeps parents from letting their kids walk a few blocks to school alone, despite the fact that America today is as safe as the longed-for “Leave It to Beaver” golden age.
– From The Economist article: Home of the Unbrave
It’s winter in the northern hemisphere, which means that countless hordes of children and their parents are excited to engage in that timeless pursuit of youthful seasonal pleasure: sledding. Many of us who grew up in colder climates have gone sledding at least once or twice. Yes it can be dangerous at times, but so are many of the other activities young rambunctious kids partake in. That’s part of being a child. Indeed, it’s part of life in general unless you want to stay cooped up in your cubicle or home 24/7.
As crazy as it may sound, many cities across the U.S. are actually moving to ban sledding within their municipalities. The Associated Press reported the following earlier this week:
DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — As anyone who has grown up around snow knows, part of the fun of sledding is the risk of soaring off a jump or careening around a tree.
But faced with the potential bill from sledding injuries, some cities have opted to close hills rather than risk large liability claims.
No one tracks how many cities have banned or limited sledding, but the list grows every year. One of the latest is in Dubuque, Iowa, where the City Council is moving ahead with a plan to ban sledding in all but two of its 50 parks.
“We have all kinds of parks that have hills on them,” said Marie Ware, Dubuque’s leisure services manager. “We can’t manage the risk at all of those places.”
In Omaha, the city banned sledding at a popular hill as a test one winter after losing a lawsuit, but decided to allow it again after most people ignored the restriction.
“It wasn’t practical,” assistant city attorney Tom Mumgaard said. “People wouldn’t abide by the ban.”
Instead, the city has posted signs warning of sledding risks and workers at the site of the failed ban put pads around posts and hay bales around trees. Mumgaard said courts in Nebraska have decided cities must protect people, even if they make poor choices.
The above seems like a far more reasonable response than an outright ban.
Most people realize that cities must restrict potentially dangerous activities to protect people and guard against costly lawsuits, said Kenneth Bond, a New York lawyer who represents local governments. In the past, people might have embraced a Wild West philosophy of individuals being solely responsible for their actions, but now they expect government to prevent dangers whenever possible.
“It’s a great idea on the frontier, but we don’t live on the frontier anymore,” Bond said.
I’ll tell you what. If we’ve lost our national spirit to such a degree that we truly agree with Mr. Bond’s sentiments, then we are in much bigger trouble than I imagined. That said, I’m not convinced his conclusions are representative. True, his words may reflect the sentiment of a New York lawyer, but I believe the frontier spirit still remains alive and well in many parts of the nation, albeit admittedly a bit suppressed and latent at the moment.
While the AP story largely blames the sled banning trend on litigation fears, a writer at The Economist takes a slightly different tack. One that I happen to agree with. For example:
This crackdown on unregulated sledding seems of a piece with the recent American tendency to curb marginally perilous childhood pleasures, such as tricycling without body armour or venturing alone into the back garden without a Mossad-trained security detail. Restrictions on sledding, which often takes place on municipal lands, at least have an apparently clear public basis: fear of city-budget sapping lawsuits.
Several years ago my colleague, striking a similar note, lamented that liability concerns are taking the fun out of American public swimming holes and playgrounds, and endorsed the somewhat saner balance of risk and regulations he enjoys as a resident of the Netherlands. In response, Kevin Drum of Mother Jones drew up a broad-brush list of differences between American and European legal systems, which would seemingly account for why Americans are suing themselves into a society of guardrail-happy worry-warts.
All this seems to help explain the putative difference between America and its European peers. But does this difference really exist? According to a study by Mark Ramseyer of Harvard Law School and Eric B. Rasmusen at Indiana University’s Kelley School of Business, “Americans do not file an unusually high number of law suits. They do not employ large numbers of judges or lawyers. They do not pay more than people in comparable countries to enforce contracts.
Perhaps this is not as surprising as it may seem. Americans are not so much unusually litigious as unusually fearful, and this fearfulness extends to the prospect of lawsuits. The occasional jaw-dropping award in a personal injury or class-action lawsuit creates, like the occasional terrorist attack, a salient sense of pervasive danger. It’s not that Dubuque or Des Moines suddenly faces a new and extraordinary risk of getting sued into oblivion. It’s just that the risk, as small as it is, now looms larger in the imagination, becoming too great for the no-longer-bold American spirit to bear. Shutting down sledding hills is inspired by the same sort of simpering caution that keeps Americans shoeless in airport security lines and, closer to home, keeps parents from letting their kids walk a few blocks to school alone, despite the fact that America today is as safe as the longed-for “Leave It to Beaver” golden age.
As an American (and Iowan!) I find this sort of flinching risk-aversion profoundly embarrassing. We might like to locate the blame for things like sledding bans somewhere out there in the unruly tort system (and indeed Messrs Ramseyer and Rasmusen do), but we must face the possibility that the blame also lies within. Perhaps it’s better to be safe than sorry, but one wonders whether we won’t become sorry to have made such a fetish of staying safe.
Well said.
For more articles on America’s progression toward a cowering, addled nanny-state, read:
The “Nanny States of America” – Mother Arrested for Allowing 7-Year-Old Son Walk to Park Alone
Connecticut Man Arrested for “Passive Aggressive” Behavior to a Watermelon
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It’s time to start prepping. The first item on my list is “Preparation-H” ;-)
Looney
Next is banning cycling, skate boarding, walking, jogging, pogo sticking, rollerblading, swimming, tree climbing,..
Did I leave out anything else dangerous?
Taking a bath?
Head banging? ;-)
Looney
In the past, people might have embraced a Wild West philosophy of individuals being solely responsible for their actions, but now they expect government to prevent dangers whenever possible.
“It’s a great idea on the frontier, but we don’t live on the frontier anymore,” Bond said.
It's a great idea for anyone who wants to be a leader. If that's what 'Merruicans really want, they won't be leaders of the world for very long.
Marie Ware, Dubuque’s leisure services manager. did stalin have a leisure services manager?
The problem in a nutshell
I'm not one of these "most people" they refer too, and those people are morons. People need to be responsible for thier own actions, and not allowed to sue who or whatever becuase they don't choose to.
I remember when I went back home and I noticed that all the diving boards were yanked from all the outdoor pools. Cannonballs...bad.Fucking lawyers.
The game of tag is banned from my kids schoolyard at recess as of last year.
When I grew up we all played "butts up" in the schoolyard, which consisted solely of trying to peg people with tennis balls as they ran full speed towards a brick wall (goal was to touch the wall before being hit) if you failed you had to walk across a line as everyone got a second chance to peg you again.
There was an accident almost every time, usually from tripping and falling into the wall or pavement. I was sent home one time.
Do they still allow that?
Some cop detains me without reasonable suspicion, beats me, arrests me, yeah, I'm going to sue the fuck out of everyone and everything involved. I bust my head open because I was too dumb to make sure that the path that the sled was going to take was not free and clear of obstacles? That's my own stupid fault. IMO, somebody who gets hurt sledding shouldn't even have standing to sue. What is standing?
1) Injury. The plaintiff has to show that there was some sort of injury. This can be physical, financial, or even emotional, but injury must be present.
2) Causality. The plaintiff has to show that the defendant caused the injury, often through negligence or through malice. This is where all of those dumbass "but I busted my head because I decided to get onto a sled and go down a steep ass hill with tree stumps, but it was on CITY property" cases should fail.
3) Redressability. There must be some sort of redress that the court can award to make you whole, or at least put you closer to being whole again. Somebody causes a back injury that causes you to lose your job and you are unable to work, being financially compensated supposedly puts you closer to being whole, even if your back cannot be fixed.
As a bonus, punitive damages can be awarded when the government feels that it has a vested interest in curtailing certain acts. Often you either have to show that the act is so heinous that no reasonable person who understood the act would let it stand, or you have to show a pattern that includes regularly committing this act. The bit about me being litigious with my civil rights above would be one where I stood the potential to get a huge award in punitive damages because I am regularly in Albuquerque, and we have all heard the stories and seen the videos with that particular police department.
But aside from all that, all of those elements must be present for standing. Knock one out, and standing goes bye bye. Most of the dumbass sledding cases and whatnot should fail on the 2nd element.
If it weren't for lawyers, we wouldn't need lawyers.
It might actually make bizarre sense to ban sledding. That way if someone tries to sue, they lose because they broke the law.
Every year someone dies because they sledded down a steep road right into a major intersection. Darwin award winner. Thank goodness those genes are out of circulation.
In a park near my house in southern florida, there is a sign banning balls and frisbees, referring to them as "hazardous throwing objects".
Our leaders on all levels (local, state, government, corporate) are completely, stupidly, vapidly, banally, boringly, small-mindedly, dangerously, and moronically insane.
Tort reform!
Tort reform!
Tort reform!
Fucking Limbaugh
They passed a law in NH that basically states that if private landowners allow public use on their land, they can not be sued or held liable for any injuries sustained by using this land. Why can't other states do the same both with private AND public land? Just post it. Not that some asshat wouldn't try to sue but they shouldn't prevail.
We called it Wall Ball.
We started off with tennis balls and by the end of the year we were using golf balls. Fucking kids were going to the ER after a game of that. Teacher was there cheering us on. Good fucking times
That's part of the appeal of paintball. Barring a shot straight to the scrotum, chances of serious injury are virtually nill, but god does that shit sting when you fuck up. You know you fucked up, and, aside from the welt, it is good. It lets you know that you're alive.
+1 for butts up! We played that at our elementary school during recess, and nobody ever got hurt beyond having a sore bum if you were pegged with the tennis ball. Good times!
if it's fun, it has to be banned...there is no place for enjoyment in modern life.
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Order of your caring Government
Are you serious? Please tell me that you are lying.
living in a city = slow painful death of the spirit
citys = large holding pens for chattel
I am fortunate to live in a town of less than 2,ooo without a single traffic light.
When they install the first one I will move.
Can we stop registering for the draft, too?
I wish I were. Lots of lawyers where I live, maybe that's part of it. I've often said one of the best things you can teach your kid is how to fall. When my oldest was little I was at a party in the neighborhood, there were a bunch of parents/little kids. My kid was climbing on something and about to fall, not get really hurt but about to fall. I just stuck with my drink and some mom swooped in and grabbed my kid. That moms kid (same age as my kid) learned to walk about 18 months later than my kid.
I know I'm preaching to the choir here but anyway, I call my philosophy loving neglect. Guess who's kids can pump on the swings the sooner than anyone. I dont think anyone should tolerate bullying or really getting hurt but kids need to learn how to handle them selves and learn to navigate social environments that are the field of tag or wall ball.
We had some pretty wicked acorn fights at the bus stop in NJ growing up.
I totally agree. I'm so sick of the helicopering parents. Kids are far more capable than they get credit for, and in our society they are made to feel afraid. My daughter came to work with me one day (then age 9). My headphones had broken. I asked her to please go over to Radio Shack and pick me up a new set. She stared in horror. But but mommy... this is the BIG city... what if I get lost? What if I get hit by a car? I said, "Oh please. You can do this. None of that is going to happen. See you in a bit." She came back with the headphones, very good decision-making in choosing them actually, and I think I may have seen a little pride in her smile when she handed them over. It's taken time to override the fear that other parents and teachers have driven into my children, but they enjoy having a little freedom, though they still don't do half of what I did when I was their ages. I'd be arrested.
How about hiding behind Ye Olde stone wall with an infinity supply of snowballs?
"No, officer...I have no idea what a Bentley is.
What do you mean this is covered under the USA Patriot Act?
Spin the Bottle, anyone?
Anyone play smear the queer? I'm gonna get cruicfied for that one. Fuck 'em - it was fun. We had nigger piles too. I must be raycist AND homophobic, right?
Yep. I remember both of those. And also "A fight, a fight, a nigger and a white!"
How the hell do you paste an image?
Ha ha! We totally played smear the queer! And when the city started putting in new "safe" playground equipment with the bark underneath we didn't swing on the swings or any of the boring stuff it was intended for. We ran across the logs and jumped from place to place playing tag on it. If your foot touched the bark for any reason you were OUT!
Dodgeball has been banned at my kids' school. Fuck, they're sucking all the fun out of childhood. When I was a kid, the best part of my day was drilling a playground ball into the face of that obnoxious little fat fucker who liked to taunt me for not having the right sneakers and making him cry.
They can't have snowball fights at my kids school. What a freaking joke.
Something's really fucking wrong. Can't do jack shit any more and then society says that kids are in need of counseling because all they do is sit and watch television, play e-games or drugs.
Wtf else expect?
jesus effing...
I was in grade school in the 60's in Toronto. We used to play a game called "British Bulldog". Every boy from grade 3 to grade 6 would line up at one end of the football field. One kid was "it" in the middle. He called "British!!!!", and we all charged from one end of the field to the other. His goal was to tackle as many kids as possible. Once you were tackled, you were on the "it" team. So we started with one kid trying to tackle 50 kids, and ended up with 50 kids trying to tackle one. No pads, no protective gear. The Grade 6 teacher (one of two males teachers at the whole school) would stand on the sidelines, laugh, and shout encouragement. Can you imagine that today?
Spent two years on the PTA at my daughters school about 10 years ago. Each year, the principal (a woman) and the head of the PTA (another woman) would proclaim that this is "the year of the healthy child", and that they aimed for kids to get 30 minutes of activity each day. Then, they banned soccer (someone might fall down!), softball (a baseball bat is a weapon, doncha know?), and took down the basketball hoops to put up some three-holed twisty basket thingy I've never seen elsewhere because it's 'safer than basketball'. No wonder North Americans are fat and sick.
I love women, but so many of the ones in positions of authority seem to live life in constant fear that someone might get a hangnail. So everything - EVERY F***ING THING - has to be adult supervised. I used to play hockey on an outdoor rink - 50 kids, 30 pucks in 50' x 100' foot surface, and no adults nearer than the houses down the street. A few kids lost teeth, there were some black eyes and sprained knees, but no one was ever seriously hurt. Used to play for two hours after school, and hours on the weekend. Then, the women 'improved' everything by getting the town to build an indoor arena. Sure it was nice to play league games there, but in the meantime, the outdoor rink was gone, and my ice time went from 15-20 hours a week to less than 2 - one practice, one game, all with a bunch of adults yellilng at me telling me I was doing it wrong.
I know most people here think the worst thing to happen to America was the Federal Reserve, but I think it was the 19th Amendment.
Hey now. Just because I have two X chromosomes doesn't make me a whimp wanting to take everyone else's freedom away. I was as good as any of those boys in the pinecone wars. And let me tell you, the fresh green pinecones would leave nice rainbow bullseye welts. I lament the loss of independent play as much as anyone. We used a frozen over pond to play hockey. It was super bumpy in spots but avoiding the trip holes and bumps was all a part of the fun. We walked to the park and made up our own teams and games... not a grownup in sight. This is not solely a women thing.
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I've said it before, and got a bunch of downvotes, but ill say it again: the American populace of the past decade has got to be the most COWARDLY and PUSSIFIED civilization in the entire history of mankind. We have allowed our freedom to disappear in order to keep us safe from whatever 'terrorist' boogeyman they use to scare people this week, and have allowed the nanny state to encroach on nearly all aspects of our personal lives. Imagine telling your grandfather that one day his country would find it acceptable for cops to tell you that you can go downhill sledding, or that cops could pull you over for not wearing a helemt, or seatbelt. He'd have laughed in your face. Look how far we have fallen. And the trend is only getting worse
Just wait for the next major war, after all this protection do you think the next pool of 18-25 year olds will be able or will to fight and die. The answer is no.
Hillary or Jeb will teach them (pussified).
allow me to first say that since it is almost guaranteed to be a war based on total bullshit, maybe we will get lucky an no one will show up to fight it.
THat said, we are already there, Im afraid. I don't have the exact numbers, but a majority of 18 year old already arent able to join the armed forces. Unable to pass an entrance physical, too fat, too many diseases(shildhood diabites is a big one, goes along with all the fat-ness). The fat ones are a large %, but the able bodied and fit ones have their own problems, getting worse with each generation: many of them have criminal records, many of them don't graduate from high school, and plenty fall into both categories(or all of them). We are already down to something like 25% of american 18 year olds as it is, and im sure its only going to get worse
So what happens where there is a draft and 50% of people are able to get out by being fat? Why the hell should the other half go and fight? I know I wouldn't, I'd start to eat a ton of french fries and be disqualified in a matter of weeks.
there should be no draft. a draft is slavery, no matter if they pay you or not. In fact, I'd say a draft is WORSE than slavery, since the slaves didn't have people trying to kill them. become a conscientious objector, or tell your kids to if you are too old. I, for one, will not be fazed by people calling those who go that route 'unpatriotic'.
Historically, conscription has definitely been a form of slavery more often than not. There really can be no doubt in the matter.
Slavery is involuntary servitude; conscription is involuntary military servitude; therefore not only is conscription slavery; it’s a particularly heinous form of slavery that often ends in maiming and death.
That's why they're moving to eliminate physical standards for cyber-war. The next phase will be a legion of obese people sitting in cubicles controlling millions of ground drones. If there is sufficient energy for such a thing.
Land of the obedient, home of the afraid.
Yep, not just American though but I had always hoped you guys would stand strong -the deck is stacked against you my friends and the domino effect will be harsh.
Just read this horror of PC... I posted it elsewhere but still has me kinda shocked, I had never heard of micro-aggression before.
WTF - to me feminism was about getting a promotion without the boss wanting something extra nor explaining in a meeting my contrarian view point was due to my monthly cycle (hehe and what was their excuse for fucking up the math!!). So we had dumb moments in the 90's for example...but this?
Please share with your kids, its insane unless they want to love the victim hood mentality which gets one no where in life.
http://www.thedailybell.com/editorials/35979/Wendy-McElroy-Victims-Frant...
I like cycling and I used to race back in Europe where I was born.Changing a wheel in racing bicycle used to be very quick and simple.
Not until NOW.Some idiot lawyer stopped picking his nose and come up with this brilliant idea to required bicycle manufacturers change the design of front forks so it has two little stops on each side of the fork so now you have to unscrew this instead of just slide down as the quick release skewers should work.First thing after getting new fork I grind down this two obstacles with disgust.I never saw cyclist losing front wheel during the race before.I saw breaking the whole front portion of the frame or the fork.
Just a example of this idiocy.
I upvoted you. And I'm a lawyer. Just not *that* kind of lawyer.
Sleds should be outlawed. At the very least, there should be a waiting period to buy one, and you should have to fill out forms and register your sled. Let's nip this problem in the bud!!!! Do I really need to put the sarc tag on this?
It's not sledding, it's hydroplanning on a modified liquid surface....
Tree Forts must have been outlawed already. I haven't seen one of those in a long time.
When I was a kid not having a tree fort was pretty lame.
Bring back lawn darts!
Built one last summer for my 6 year old daughter, along with a zip line where you actually need to hang on and will fall from if you let go. Only one other girl is allowed to play on it, the daughter of a bicycle racer / back country skier who recently moved to our area. We joke how our two girls are more men than the boys.
That's right. The Joker was responsible for his own lithium, Thorazine, phenobarbital, Ativan and SSRi abuse. Even though he was an alter boy at St Anall's Catholic Church in Gotham several years prior to being introduced to the Gothan managed and Federally funded crossdressing and women's makeup during the family therapy regimen.
No worries, mate. The NAASP [National Association for the Advancement of Sled Peeples] has already filed an injunction.
Hey, come on. If I have to pay full premium on government health policy we can't allow anyone to injur themselves. We will all have to pay for the injury with higher premiums. That just wouldn't be fair. We have put an end to anything dangerous.
People should not be allow to climb into a bath tub whithout proper training or an approved assistant to help you in and out. Nurse Betty for me, please.
I approve this statement
I worked with an engineer once a project
who said, " There, I think its foolproof, foolproof but not idiot proof".
Outlawing sledding is attempting to make the world idiot proof. It can't be done.
I have a theory that car seats don't actually save lives. The kids that
grow up sleeping in the car because all they see is the ceiling, will
fall asleep driving as adults. Enough will die to cancel out those saved as children
<---- The government must think we 'Muricans are really stupid (who can blame them).
<---- Attorneys ruining everything for everyone.
"....bill from sledding injuries...." There's your problem right there.
This is one of those posts that I wish I could give a red and a green. I chose red because I hate attorneys so much. But here's a virtual +1 because they really do think we are that stupid. We even have Gruber on tape admitting it.
I vehemently disagree with that sentiment as well.
It's people in government that expect government to prevent dangers whenever possible.
Gov doesn't care about the person, just the potential tax income.
It's only a ban if one complies. How about this? I'm going to sled down this hill and if you try to stop me I'll kick your sorry government employee ass. Now piss off!
As you're then greeted at the bottom of the hill by 3 tubby buzzcut cops who proceed to taze and choke the shit out of you. THAT BILL nobody talks about.
+100 for "3 tubby buzzcut cops". I'm still laughing at that phrase.
the pussification of Amerika continues . . . . .
One of the kids in our neighborhood had a four-wheeler, and we used to take turns towing each other on sleds behind it. We'd probably be arrested by the police today, especially since we used to do it on a golf course.
When my mom was young, kids used to throw a line around the milk truck bumper for a quick tow down the street. A kid got killed doing that. As a result, some parents chose to tell their kids "don't do that".
Consequences?
We will have none of that!
Yeah, and we used to go bumper skiing* and nobody ever got banged up too badly. You just had to avoid areas where the road had dry spots.
You also had to pick a big heavy car with decent traction. One time, three of us latched on to the back bumper of a Chevy Vega at a stop sign. There was a slight uphill grade, and all the lightweight car could do was spin its rear wheels. The driver got out and yelled at us, and was kind of a dick about it, so when he got in his car we all grabbed the bumper again. After spinning his wheels some more, he got out again and we ran off laughing at him.
*Bumper skiing was an activity best suited for shoes with fairly smooth soles. You'd run up to a car that had stopped on an icy road, crouch down behind it, reach under the rear bumper with both hands and hang on to it as the car pulled you down the road.
Used to do the same thing on my skateboard. Would grab a bus bumper to get up hills in SF. Where is skateboarder anyways? Haven't seen him post in a while...
I've got 200 acres and pull my kids as young as three behind a wheeler. They ask me to go faster and try to knock them off. Some city cousins came out and I brought their boys out for the same.... They have never visited again.
A few months ago my 7 yo was hit in the face with a hard swing at school, broke his nose and blacked both eyes. The school seemed very afraid when I came to get him. WTF. Shit happens. Better at seven then waiting until some bully does it for the first time in his teens. Now he knows.
Taking a shit. Stroke risk...
Just ask Elvis about that! Well, I did have the chance to, one day, when I was sitting next to him while he was flying the UFO. Much to my surprise he looked at me like I was nuts and said that he'd not yet even died let alone having a stroke on the shitter. Then he passed away a few days later, unexpectedly.
Rethink your diet.
I read recently that you should never "push" when taking a dump as you can do some serious damage to your body if you are already in poor shape.
Maybe someone ought to keep an eye on us?
"i need to check inside your asshole..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZCEq8jy5-M
You mean like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFwMaKkKNtA
Edit, you beat me to it, Rock.
one of my favorite SP episodes ever. And such a clever use of stereotypes. Whoever wrote that TSA character in there HAD to have travelled through the atlanta airport at least once. There must be 50 exactly like that everytime I'm in there
Toidy minders. LOL
I cut my finger with a sharp knife the other day. Where was the government when you need them. I had to get my own bandaid and put it on myself. I want to be represented damnit! Why do we pay taxes?
Sue yourself, that'll learn ya!
Must ban "a dangerous edge" on knives.
Please do not give them ideas! The new driverless cars are soon to be introduced. Give them a decade to outlaw manual driving due to the danger of human error...
Surfing and skydiving.
The real ban we need is a ban on government. It's overreaching regulation and demands are responsible for more harm and death than anything.
But what is government? In this case it's the people in the local community......neighbors, business owners, parents of children in the same little league, same boy scout troop, girl scouts, or what-have-you. Take them out of the fancy .gov office, remove their title, then let a small number of them get into a group at the local Denny's and decide that your kid can't sled down a hill. Would you obey? Of course not!!! The fact that they make these decisions in their government offices is irrelevant. The hill was there before the people. Sled down that shit!
It's all bullshit. Just don't comply and see if they come after you. Then let them know that you will make each one of their personal lives miserable if they try to fuck with you. Get them out from behind thier .gov shields and you will see the pussies that they are.
You left out fort building and snow tunnels.
Dupe.
Nail gun operation? Except for a few certified licensed operators.
Miffed
"Next is banning cycling, skate boarding, walking, jogging, pogo sticking, rollerblading, swimming, tree climbing,.."
Stop smiling and no having fun dammit
Not a prisoner I'm a free man And my blood is my own now Don't care where the past was I know where I'm going I'm not a number I'm a free man Live my life where I want to You'd better scratch me from your black book Cause' I'll run rings around you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tb8Jo11uGo
+1000 for anything Iron Maiden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW-bFGzNMXw
From the Prisoner
Total Nanny State Lunacy, I hope parents across the nation speak up against this type of BS Law. I will be one of them.
Get your hands on the full article. Des Moines put a hault to using public areas for sledding thanks to dickhead lawyers and dumbass juries handing out mulit-million awards to morons that got hurt sledding.
Blame the fucking lawyers getting a payday off teh tax payers.
" 5-year-old girl who won a $2 million judgment against Omaha, Nebraska, after a paralyzing sledding accident, or the man in Sioux City, Iowa, who got $2.75 million from the city after injuring his spine by sledding into a sign."
Thank the lawyers and the juries that awarded these paydays.
Chill... GMO = safe. Vaccines in the greatest numbers ever before even weened around 12mths old = safe. WIFI/EMSmog everywhere a child spends their day/night =safe. Pharma like Retalin for baby brains to behave 'correctly' =Safe.
Testing over decades to identify impact on human health and reproduction... unnecessary.
Injury by Sleds used for generations? Well that is just un-freaking-acceptable... like raw milk, home gardens, home school, letting kids be kids, taking responsibility......... all tried and tested over many centuries - but now somehow wrong in this matrix.
"man in Sioux City, Iowa, who got $2.75 million from the city after injuring his spine by sledding into a sign.""
fucking A that's a Darwin Award contender, should never have been a lawsuit. Why doesn't the judge just laugh at this shit and throw it out?
All I can say is....WTF?
Here's a novel approach. How about the cities put signs up: "If you fk yourself up in our park, you're on your own"
idiota
that is at least micro aggression
probably even macro aggression
your prize... the state gets your kids, then promptly drones some folks faraway for your own good
how novel is this approach?
happy new year
its same same but different...........
Lawyers are the problem
“It wasn’t practical,” assistant city attorney Tom Mumgaard said. “People wouldn’t abide by the ban.”
Appears to me that 12 year olds have bigger balls then the adults in this country, maybe they have something to teach us "responsible" folk on withdrawing our consent
And government jumps the shark yet again.
pods
i believe that shark jumping is also prohibited in the majority of municipalities.
Anyone remember bumpering?
Only back when they used to actually use steel on bumpers. :)
Today you could tear off the cover on them if you tried.
pods
I remember the FORD LTD had this massive fucking rear bumper that you could fit 5 kids on.
I remember that. It was part of normal winter fun, along with sledding down the freeway embankments on pieces of cardboard. You roll off the cardboard just before you hit the road, cardboard keeps going, but friction stops the kid.
Called skitching in Chicago. Good times.
You can stop me from bumper skitchin' when you pry the bumper from my cold hands, and the tennies from my frozen feet.
We used to bumper ski off police cruisers, and they thought it was funny.
That is back when we mostly had Peace Officers.
Now, our kids live mostly in a Fascist Police State.
oh man, thanks for bringing back the memories. we used to bumper ski in the mall parking lotn and as we got older - we tossed in a case a beer with the activity
never thought twice about it. good luck if a group of kids tried that today!
We found that Blackberry brandy and army boots worked the best....
Des Moines IA, USA's Fun-Free Zone -- No sledding, no skateboarding, no chewing gum.
Suppose it has anything to do with all the insurance companies in Des Moines? They are right there to collect the premiums, not so much for the payouts.
The “sleds” should be registered, inspected yearly, and proof of insurance should be required.
Helmets and safety belt requirement should be left to the individual states.
No one under the age of 21 should be allowed to sled without parent present.
Each state should provide stripes/marking indicating lanes for sledding, and signs posted every 50 feet indicating maximum speed limits.
Plus add all the ADA , EPA, DPS, BLM, DOT, agencies that will have input.
Plus…………
FDA (someone is going to eat snot)
INS (Mexicans like to sled too)
FAA (definitely someone is going airborne)
I see this as a way for states to increase revenue, and that’s good right?
Society is always taken by surprise at any new example of common sense.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office.
H. L. Mencken
Anyone wonder why the police are having problems. The answer to that is Washington D.C. and the NWO fascists. If you want to go sledding or work as a police officer you have to arrest Lloyd Blankfein.
"safe as the longed-for “Leave It to Beaver” golden age." are you kidding?
A week ago a woman who lives in Pilsen left her five year old in a car she had parked in front of a corner store, in the few minutes she was inside, some fucking niggers walked by grabbed a chunk of cement and hurled it thru the car window, ape like, leaving the kid in a coma.
I had to spend time training my wife where and where not to go in Chicago and what to look out for. There was a time when these fucking animals were actually afraid of law enforcemen andthe consequences of their actions.
Look at the cencus demographic data for New Hampsire, Maine, Vermont. You may find those areas more to your liking.
There are lots of places like that if you look. I'm not too far from Ferguson, but in this county there is .11% Black, 5.04% Hispanic, and I haven't seen police within 10 miles of the homestead as long as I've been here.
Everyone is neighborly and we get along fine. If TSHTF I suspect we'll all work together to make it through.
I grew up in UK late 50's - 60's
My parents and most neighbours never even locked the doors.
Nobody had anything worth stealing, for one thing, but there was a respect for others - nobody would have even thought of even taking a sneeky peek inside someone elses home.
How the world has changed. Greed has been glorified and encouraged by corporations/governments/banks for their own psychopathic ends.
Sad, really.
Things haven't been the same up here since the 70's, when those god durned fuckin'southern Massholes started invading.
Exactly. Any "diverse" environment is not all that safe, and white people are better off living somewhere else. They might not be afraid of law enforcement, but they are afraid of people with guns, as Ferguson showed.
Yep, ban sledding, guns, fireworks, etc., etc., but do nothing about the nigger problem. Gee, what has killed more in the country, sledding or violent, out of control, low-IQ, niggers who have been in and out of prison virtually their entire lives? The progressives, liberals, Jews, etc. will just call you a racist if you ask them that.
Talking of sledding...this Iowa cop emptied her gun into a woman, in front of her family, just released from jail for domestic dispute, WHILE SLEDDING....
Iowa cop shoots woman dead in front of family, while trying to pacify their dogThe article doesn't say if the cop shot the dog.
That is relevant, because if he couldn't hit the dog after unloading his gun, then he probably shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun.
But the officer who shot her went home safely to his family after his tour of duty for that day so mission accomplished .
Playing outside is how kids grow creatively. Kids don't play outside anymore.
Mine do.
We haven't had a television for many, many, years, and have never had a game console.
Still, all of the local kids want to hang out at our home.
My kids are now 20 & 21, but from a very early age we always went out into the woods and along the creeks.
My son could identify all the local frog species by the time he was 7 and could tell you what sex too!
My daughter used to carry a small watercolour kit and paint out in nature.
We went out in rain, snow, heat, got wet, muddy, cold.
If kids don't have bruised shins from crashing about, they are not doing it right!
My son and I still go out together for day-long hikes and bike rides.
Can't beat being out there!
Kids still play outside, but prancing pansies don't.
Ours do, and with school letting out early, again today, they will be outside for at least an hour with the snow and windchills, playing with the dog. Yes, they all have a kindle or iphone, yes they spend time on them playing games or texting freinds.....for about 20 mintutes each day.
To further add to HH post below, we are also blessed to be the favorite hang out for the oldest teens peeps after sports practice or games. We keep, for the most part, healthy natural and organic foods on hand, grass fed meats and the Mrs. who is a damn good cook always makes sure they are well fed. Not once has one of those kids complained there were not any chips or pop, and always clean us out if eating a meal.
Yes it gets damn spendy but I would rather they were hanging out at our place eating well and having fun as opposed to driving around town, wasting gas and eating junk food.
Mine do, and so do most of the kids in the neighborhood. In fact, most of the kids around here spend most of their time outside in spite of the fact they have TV's and other things to do.
What does a kid do today if they ban everything outside and dangerous...I guess you text your life away..and that is what they do..my dad used to pull us behing the old station wagon on sleds.....that was great....but sledding hills were fun...except for the walk back up....
LOL. My grandpa used to pull the kids behinds his tow truck while he was sipping from his bottle with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth. It was quite a sight to see 10 kids laughing as he made that baby do a doughnut behind JC Penny.
In those days if you went down the hill and crashed into a tree, your parents would look at you like you were a moron and ask why you would sled into a tree. Nowadays they sue anyone and everyone involved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7AQkui_fcA
When do we ban idiocy? Fuck the law makers and fuck the law enforcers .
They hate us for our freedumbs though!
This is absolutely ridiculous. I used to sled all the time as a kid back in the 80s on any hill that would provide a good sledding experience
I think anyone who still thinks there is hope things won't keep devolving into a nanny state society of insanity needs to accept reality. There's no coming back from this path.
In some countries when they make a new law then two laws must come off the books.
..Rosebud..
If you make your world idiot proof, or safe for idiots, you will end up with a nation of idiots.
Oops. Too late.
Juries are selected for their stupidity and not made aware of the consequences of their benevolence with what they believe is rich insurance company cash. Judges and lawyers hustle to maximize profits.
There are several paragraphs left off this post.
Anyway the fucking lawyers are to blame for this one.
"5-year-old girl who won a $2 million judgment against Omaha, Nebraska, after a paralyzing sledding accident, or the man in Sioux City, Iowa, who got $2.75 million from the city after injuring his spine by sledding into a sign."
I blame the lawyers and the people JB. When I was a kid, I crashed into a tree while sledding and broke 3 bones in my right foot. I didn't realize something was really wrong until I went in the house that night and tried to take my boot off. I told my mom, "I think I broke my foot" and went to bed. Next day, I woke up and my foot was swollen and black. Mom took me to the doc, he set the bones and wrapped tightly in tape (too swollen to cast it). I was sent home with crutches and was back to walking within 4 weeks.
These days, a kid comes home with an injury like mine and the first call the parent makes is to the lawyer. The second is to the police and the third is to the doctor to get the kid fixed. While at the doctor, they'll ask what the injury is "worth" for when they sue for a settlement.
I recommend people watch Judge Judy once in a while. Not for the entertainment, but for the mindset that most people have. Hell, people on that show try to sue for "pain and suffering." This country is delusional.