All Over America, Government Officials Are Cracking Down On Preppers

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Michael Snyder via The Economic Collapse blog,

Why would the government want to punish people that are just trying to work hard, become more self-sufficient and take care of their families?  There are approximately 3 million preppers in the United States today, and often they appear to be singled out for punishment by bureaucratic control freaks that are horrified at the thought that there are families out there that actually want to try to become less dependent on the system.  So if you use alternative methods to heat your home, or if you are not connected to the utility grid, or if you collect rainwater on your property, or if you believe that parents should have the ultimate say when it comes to health decisions for their children, you could become a target for overzealous government enforcers. 

Once upon a time, America was the land of the free and the home of the brave, but now we are being transformed into a socialist police state where control freak bureaucrats use millions of laws, rules and regulations to crack down on anyone that dares to think for themselves.

For example, people have been burning wood to heat their homes since this country began.  And this is still very common in rural areas.  But the Obama administration does not like this at all.  The Obama bureaucrats at the EPA fear that our little wood stoves may be contributing to “global warming”, so they have outlawed the production and sale of 80 percent of the wood stoves that are currently in use.  The following comes from a recent Forbes article

It seems that even wood isn’t green or renewable enough anymore. The EPA has recently banned the production and sale of 80 percent of America’s current wood-burning stoves, the oldest heating method known to mankind and mainstay of rural homes and many of our nation’s poorest residents. The agency’s stringent one-size-fits-all rules apply equally to heavily air-polluted cities and far cleaner plus typically colder off-grid wilderness areas such as large regions of Alaska and the American West.


While EPA’s most recent regulations aren’t altogether new, their impacts will nonetheless be severe. Whereas restrictions had previously banned wood-burning stoves that didn’t limit fine airborne particulate emissions to 15 micrograms per cubic meter of air, the change will impose a maximum 12 microgram limit. To put this amount in context, EPA estimates that secondhand tobacco smoke in a closed car can expose a person to 3,000-4,000 micrograms of particulates per cubic meter.


Most wood stoves that warm cabin and home residents from coast-to-coast can’t meet that standard. Older stoves that don’t cannot be traded in for updated types, but instead must be rendered inoperable, destroyed, or recycled as scrap metal.

Does that make you angry?

It should.

There are other preppers that try to use very “clean” methods to power their homes, but that is still not good enough for some government control freaks.

For example, one prepper down in south Florida that had gone “off the grid” was recently ordered by a court to connect back to the grid or face eviction from his home.  The following is an excerpt from a recent article by Guiles Hendrik

Think you are still free to make choices in your life? Do you think the government will allow you to live independent of their utility monopolies? If you think so, try opting for renewable non-grid tied power and utilize environmentally friendly composting toilets and your own self-sufficient water supply. Today, those life choices could land you in jail if you live in South Florida. Take the case of Robin Speronis.


Robin Speronis has lived off the grid, independent of the city’s water and electric system. A Florida court ruled this off-the-grid living illegal last week and has given Robin until March to connect her home to a municipal water line or face possible eviction. Further, officials in the city of Cape Coral have justified this by deeming Robin’s home “unsanitary,” citing the International Property Maintenance Code. First of all, since when did we begin to locally recognize “international codes?” Where in the US Constitution does it provide for international jurisdiction over local codes? Ironically, this “international” code mandates that homes be connected to an electricity grid and a running water source, even though most of the world lives without reliable electricity and municipal water and sewer. Further, the code is outdated and obsolete because it was written without consideration to both old and new technologies that relegate the need for grid tied power and municipal water as unnecessary and expensive; especially, in locations where it simply isn’t feasible to have grid tied utilities. Nonetheless, Speronis’ home does in fact have power and water through far cheaper and more environmentally friendly means — solar panels and rainwater, but that reality is ignored by the local government.

Incredibly, most Americans still seem to believe that we live in a “free country”.  But we don’t.  Our lives are very tightly constrained by literally millions of laws, rules and regulations, and more are being added every single day.

Even some of our most basic fundamental rights have been seriously eroded.  One of these is the right to make basic health decisions for our own children.  In New York state, children that have not received all of the designated vaccines can now be banned from attending public school, and this requirement was recently upheld by a federal appeals court

New York state’s requirement that children be vaccinated before attending public school does not violate their constitutional rights, a federal appeals court in Manhattan said on Wednesday.


In affirming the requirement’s constitutionality, a three-judge panel of the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals also upheld a previous ruling by a federal judge that students exempted from the requirement for religious reasons can be barred from school when another child has a disease preventable by a vaccine.


The decision was the latest to go against three parents from New York City who say their religious rights were violated when their children were kept out of school as a result of the immunization policies. The parents’ lawyer, Patricia Finn, said her clients planned to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.

So what are we free to do without government interference these days?

Not much.

In fact, in some states we can’t even sit on our own land and collect the rain as it falls from the sky for our own personal use.

If you do this in the state of Oregon, for example, you could go to prison

Gary Harrington, the Oregon man convicted of collecting rainwater and snow runoff on his rural property surrendered Wednesday morning to begin serving his 30-day, jail sentence in Medford, Ore.


“I’m sacrificing my liberty so we can stand up as a country and stand for our liberty,” Harrington told a small crowd of people gathered outside of the Jackson County (Ore.) Jail.


Several people held signs that showed support for Harrington as he was taken inside the jail.

And of course these are just a few examples.  Almost every single day there are more stories in the news about government bureaucrats cracking down on preppers.  They almost seem to relish the opportunity to go after the “non-conformists”.

But the good news is that the number of Americans that are seeking to become less dependent on the system just continues to grow.

So what about you?

Are you a prepper?

My friend Daisy Luther recently wrote a piece entitled “45 MORE Signs That You Might Be One of Those Crazy Preppers“.  The following are some of the most interesting “signs” from her list…

*You spend your days off digging an underground bunker in your backyard.

*Your family doesn’t dare take something from the food stockpile without marking it off the list.

*Your kids know how to don a gas mask in 30 seconds.

*Everyone in your survival group carries the same firearm so that ammo is standardized.

*Your family is no longer surprised when you announce, “Hey, we’re going to learn how to make (insert anything here)!”

*You have long since accepted the idea that if you’re not on someone’s list, you’re probably not doing it right.

*You don’t just rotate food, you rotate ammo.

*Moving to a new house is no longer “moving”, but “strategic relocation”.

*Your kids think it’s a fun game to see who can find the most potential weapons in a room.

*Your EDC includes a knife, firearm w/extra mag, flashlight, mylar blanket, Chapstick, and an ounce of silver — and that’s just for when you’re walking the dog.

*One criterion for your new winter coat is that it fits over your body armor.

You can read her entire article right here.

America was built by people that loved their families, worked hard and were self-sufficient.

Now our government is specifically targeting those kinds of people.

What in the world is happening to us?

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BigJim's picture

 What in the world is happening to us?

Marx has won.

Publicus's picture

We head closer to the Crisis of 2020. It'll be far worse than the Crisis of 1940, and the Crisis of 1860, Crisis of 1780 combined.

Billy the Poet's picture



Me too. I'm also Spartacus.

0b1knob's picture

When wood burning stove are illegal then only CRIMINALS will own wood burning stoves.

Billy the Poet's picture

They can have my wood stove when they take it from my warm, dead hands.

CH1's picture

And yet, they keep obeying.

Who's stupid?

Keyser's picture

Get out while you can, it's not too late....

MontgomeryScott's picture

No can do, Max.

I will hold as long as possible (even unto death).

After the fall of the United States and it's Constitution, there won't be any safe place anyway. I prefer to stay and fight for the rights of us all.

That shit about 'peak oil'; it's a bullshit story, Max.

Don't worry. I still respect you, brother.

MontgomeryScott's picture

It would be nice to see who 'downvoted' me.

Let us come to a place where there is no threat to either, and 'palaver'.

PROBABLY, though, it is a TROLLISTA.

Max Keiser didn't do it (I know his persona too well).



manofthenorth's picture

I burn a fire in my cookstove close to 300 days a year. It will be a most unfortunate day for the SOB from whatever agency that interferes with its operation.


cifo's picture

Don't they disconnect your water if you don't pay for it???????

Zero Point's picture

No. They take your house.

Took Red Pill's picture

Snyder, this is incorrect! The link you posted to the Forbes article is a year old! If you dug deeper, you'd find their info wrong. Rep. Thomas Massey (R-KY) asked EPA Gina McCarthy at a November 2013 hearing before the proposed regulations were introduced. McCarthy confirmed  “The proposed rule would not affect existing woodstoves and other wood-burning heaters currently in use in people’s homes,” 

Solar's picture

Not existing stoves.....yet.

tarsubil's picture

I've hung out with EPA fu.. folks. It is just a matter of time. Ever had an overbearing mom, girlfriend or wife? Pretty much filled with Hitlery types.

Hitlery_4_Dictator's picture

We are ready for Hitlery buddy! 

InjectTheVenom's picture

i got news for 'ya ... ain't gonna be no Hitlery .  Or Bush.  Or Romney or Christie or Perry or Cruz.  Obola is here to stay, just watch...of course I don't know exactly how he'll (or should i say, his handlers)pull it off , but get ready folks ... you heard it here first. 

JRev's picture

Don't rule out the Wild Card. Rand Paul has done well to win the favor of AIPAC and Karl Rove's neocon "electoral exploratory committee" over the past few years. The recent photo-ops with George P. (as in Prescott) Bush in Texas perfectly capture the depth of Rand's complicity. He's their new Trojan Horse. 

Elect the "Libertarian-minded," fuck shit up, blame "freedom." Game, set, match. Just watch.

Payne's picture

no way to regulate existing.  This is all a repeat from the past.

Socratic Dog's picture

Steel stoves don't last forever.  Particularly efficient ones.  When you come to replace your existing stove, I think you will find the new ones rather expensive.

Efficient stoves burn less wood....but they are under the control of .gov beaurocrats.  What to do???

Where I am they have "spare the air" days when use of wood-burning stoves is "illegal", unless it is your sole heat source.  They don't like to mention that last little caveat.


Ralph Spoilsport's picture

The Forbes article sucks as it's fear mongering by saying people would have to scrap their old stoves and buy new ones. Fox managed to get it right.

SuperRay's picture

Gee, I wonder if you've every heard of the novel notion called PROCESS.  Everything is in Process.  Fox managed to get if right?  How fucked up are you?  This is just one more step in a series of steps that have been IN PROCESS since the CIA (run by wall st bankers) was founded.  Step by step, inch by inch (for Abbott and Costello fans) we are descending into the Orwellian/Huxleyan vision.  Who gives a shit if it's 'just new stoves?" Don't be so fucking concrete. It's just another step...

Ralph Spoilsport's picture

All I was saying was the Fox version wasn't as misleading as the Forbes article. How fucked up are you to take me to task for pointing that out?

actionjacksonbrownie's picture

Actually, up in canada the insurance companies did the dirty work, and forced anyone with a wood burning stove that didn't have a certain label attachde to it, to either remove the stove, or lose their insurance. Since the labeling process only began a couple years earlier, that forced many to scrap their existing, perfectly safe and efficient stove.

Ralph Spoilsport's picture

That sucks. We didn't have to worry about that because we can't get home insurance for anything close to a reasonable price since we are too close to the water. Big companies we talked to refuse to insure it at any price and that was before we installed the wood stove. The house is completely paid for so we just have to be real careful. The stove sits inside a large fireplace and has 20" of fire brick in front of it so the biggest hazard is coals falling out and rolling onto the floor.

PT's picture

First step to fixing bad legislation:  Names and addresses of those who introduced it to parliament, and those who voted in favour.

First step to losing:  Your oppressors remain faceless and/or live thousands of miles away.

Tek Kinkreet's picture

Great point, which is also why it is important to start localizing everything. Make sure you and your community are preparing and we weather this fine, all in small groups. Small localized government can easily be controlled and held to the will of the people.

Ralph Spoilsport's picture

This is only for new stoves. If you like your current wood stove, you can keep your current wood stove.

sleigher's picture

And if I build one from a steel drum and 1/4" plate?  Then what?  I go to jail for manufacturing? 

DaveyJones's picture

build your own rocket stove. they'd have a hard time detecting it. Most efficient heat design there is. and only puts out steam

Ralph Spoilsport's picture

Rocket stoves really seem to work. The only ones I have actually seen were in homes most suburbanites would call "rustic". The neighbors also burn wood so nobody is ratting anyone out.

What sucks is that the EPA regulations for 2019 will put most stove manufacturers out of business.

I have a non-catalytic EPA stove and it burns very clean with the secondary combustion going on but you can't completely close the draft on these new stoves. With a high indoor/outdoor Delta T and and high winds, the draft will start eating up your wood. People get around this by installing dampers in the flue to cut back on the draft.

Socratic Dog's picture

I replaced an old non-EPA stove, top of the line in it's day, with one like yours.  Wood use has halved, heat generated has gone way up.  Never had to use the flue damper, there seems to be a trickle of air through the secondary combustion tubes but that seem sensible to me.  We don't have much wind, so that's not a problem.

Rocket stoves... seems to me most of the heat would go straight up the chimney.  I use a portable one for cooking outside, camping, etc.  Not for heating.

Ralph Spoilsport's picture

I have a Hearthstone and they only advise using a damper when you have a tall chimney and too much draft measured in inches of water column. These things seem to self regulate since on a not-so-cold day with no wind, you use a lot less wood. The other thing with ours is that it takes a while to get them really hot due to the soapstone top and sides. Cast iron stoves heat up a lot quicker and the older ones needed a damper to keep the heat from going up the stack too quickly.

The indoor rocket stoves I saw had a long run of stove pipe running horizontally to the outside chimney. They built a sort of bench you can sit on around the pipe that was made out of some weird concoction of mud and straw. It set up hard like concrete but wasn't porous like cement. It was easily painted to match the room's color scheme. Once that thing got warm, it was toasty in there and stayed warm for a good while even if the fire went out. They can get away with burning small pieces of wood which would be kindling for a regular stove.

Idaho potato head's picture

Also look into a Russian stove aka finnish stove, super efficient and thrifty.

Blano's picture

I brought 2 kids into this world before I this country became the third rate shithole that it is.  I owe it to them to stay and help them as best I can.

SuperRay's picture

So true. I'd have left already, but my kids haven't got a clue as to what's coming and think I'm just a crazy Vietnam veteran with wild ideas.  I've given up trying to convince them, and now I'm just waiting so I can try to help them through the transition, if there is one.  I feel for them.  They have big ideas (like all millenials) but remain insulated from reality (so far).

Hitlery_4_Dictator's picture

Sadly, you are not helping them. Stop coddling these pussy millenials. Cut them loose. 

Socratic Dog's picture

Disagree.  He can leave them to their own devices, but be there as a safe haven if/when needed.  That's not coddling.

How old were you when you woke up?  I was in my 40's.  Very difficult for youg people to come to grips with just how fucked up things have become.  Not their fault.  Or maybe it is.  But they're your kids, and natural selection dictates that you will do your damnedest to help them survive.

Dubaibanker's picture

They say that airlines should do well with the oil price down....hahaha

While Cyprus Airways may be a small airline with 6 planes and more than 1,000 employees, but having the EU Govt shut it down shows how crazy the bankrupt Govt's are becoming and behaving without thinking of social consequences! While the US Govt focuses its energy on rainwater and gas stoves! Another haha...

The purpose of a state owned corporation is not just to make profits but also to provide for social stability by generating employment for thousands!

That's another 1,000 jobs gone and another meme broken that airlines will prosper!

Cyprus Airways closed down after EU state aid ruling
lincolnsteffens's picture

Yeah, like, where is the long arm of the Cabal not able to reach?

TheRideNeverEnds's picture

Exactly.  If instead of 

Several people held signs that showed support for Harrington as he was taken inside the jail

we saw 

Several people held up rifles as Harrington was freed from jail; there were no surviving government officials in the vicinity available for comment.   

Things would change right quick.

tarsubil's picture

I just don't think violence will win against the Federal government. Murdering large masses of innocent people is the only thing it does well. Burning down the infrastructure without killing anyone might work.

Socratic Dog's picture

Tell it to the Iraqui's.  Etc.

Cojones, friend.

General Decline's picture

It's very easy to make your own wood burning stoves.  Ya'll should be practicing your welding skills anyway.

Rakshas's picture

I have a funky design for pallet stoves,  stack up about a half dozen pallets pour a little kerosene on em and light er up, burns for about 4 hours....