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French Police In Standoff With Besieged Murder Suspects Who Are "Ready To Die As Martyrs" - Live Webcast
After evading the French police for nearly three days, a few hours ago the Charlie Hebdo murder suspects were cornered in an industrial building near Charles de Gaulle airport in the town of Dammarin-en-Goelle, 26 miles northeast of paris and 8 miles away from the airport, where they are said to have taken a hostage. Heavily armed police blocked approaches to the town and helicopters hovered in the fog overhead. Agence France-Presse said the men have taken a hostage. According to reports, the suspects have established police contact with the police and have said they are ready to "die as martyrs."
A quick recap of the situation from SkyNews:
- Suspects holed up on an industrial estate in Dammartin-en-Goele, 27 miles from the heart of Paris, with one person held hostage.
- They was a police chase and shootout after they earlier stole a car and fled on the N2 road.
- Up to 1,500 police - including swat teams, snipers and helicopters - are at the scene as negotiations go on.
- Residents told to stay indoors, stay away from windows and turn off lights.
- The brothers, Said and Cherif Kouachi, have reportedly said they are prepared to die as martyrs.
- Officials say the killing of a female police officer yesterday is linked to the Charlie Hebdo massacre.
Anecdotal reports have said some overflights are being diverted and runways at CDG airport may have been closed.
Police intervention force are seen next to a building in Dammartin-en-Goele where a hostage-taking is underway #AFP pic.twitter.com/FH4Yab3KOu
— Stéphane Arnaud (@StephaneArnaud_) January 9, 2015
.@kirbyej reports live from the scene, and we'll hear from witnesses in Dammartin-en-Goele #CharlieHebdo #wato pic.twitter.com/fkdRhrQiNC
— The World at One (@BBCWorldatOne) January 9, 2015
EN IMAGES. #CharlieHebdo : les frères Kouachi retranchés à Dammartin-en-Goële >>http://t.co/yvWP0do1Ld pic.twitter.com/WtQKwLZDjF
— Le Parisien (@le_Parisien) January 9, 2015
You can faintly see the outline of the industrial estate where the Dammartin siege is underway. pic.twitter.com/jFNZTDZYDM
— briangingaje (@brianging) January 9, 2015
Joli porte-char ..... Ca peut servir #Dammartin pic.twitter.com/9aK3saUeoV
— ?Laëtitia? (@titiate) January 9, 2015
More details:
According to Bloomberg, the two men are holed up at a commercial printing business on the edge of the town, opposite a logistics site operated by grocer Carrefour SA. The town council asked residents to stay home in a statement on its website, and said students were confined to their schools. At Charles de Gaulle, France’s main international airport, operator Aeroports de Paris said flights were being re-routed around the area.
“An operation is currently under way in Dammartin-en-Goele and special police forces are being deployed,” Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said in televised comments. “All of the ministry’s forces, police forces, are mobilized.”
The two men may be in possession of a rocket launcher and other weapons, according to a police official who declined to be identified in line with government policy.
Cherif Kouachi was known to French police and spent time in prison for participation in a jihadist group. His brother Said may have received training at a militant camp in Yemen.
Noel Beckwith, a resident of Dammartin-en-Geoele, told Bloomberg Television that residents had heard “nothing at all” from police so far.
“We’re sort of barricaded in our house and looking out the windows.”
As Breaking911 added, one of the Kouachi brothers turned up at the printing factory, initially pretending to be a police officer, and told a worker: “Get out of here, we don’t kill civilians.” Local residents are being told to stay at home, switch off the lights, and stay away from their windows. Hundreds of people are sealed inside some local office buildings.
There have been reports that two people have been killed, but Paris prosecutors insist there have been no deaths.
Police are now negotiating with the two suspects, Said and Cherif Kouachi.
At least two planes have aborted landing attempts at the airport as the situation unfolds.
The latest: the two have asked to die as martyrs:
BREAKING: Lawmaker inside French command post says terror suspects say they want to die as martyrs.
— The Associated Press (@AP) January 9, 2015
We are confident various enforcement agencies will gladly oblige.
Live feeds from Sky:
And France24:
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And while the world follows the final showdown of the Kouachi brothers, a new cell may have been activated in Paris:
AFP: New shooting has broken out in eastern #Paris
— Sky News Newsdesk (@SkyNewsBreak) January 9, 2015
BREAKING: Armed man takes hostage in kosher grocery east of Paris http://t.co/PBs3sMwhLt
— Haaretz.com (@haaretzcom) January 9, 2015
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Telltale signs of a false flag operation:
Culprits’ names are released within hours of the attack (check)
Contradictory reports emerge after attack, then quickly forgotten (check)
Culprits were “under watch” by security services (check)
Culprits (and/or their families) claim innocence (check – Hamyd Mourad)
Culprits “forget” stuff (ID cards, passports, Corans, etc.) on scene (check)
Conveniently incriminating videos immediately appear on Youtube (check)
Political timing of the attack is suspicious (check – French vote at UN)
Attacks are immediately used to justify an attack on individual liberty (check)
MSM speaks in unison, parrots the same given narrative (check)
Calls for in-depth investigation are labeled “unpatriotic” (not yet)
Culprits are not allowed to live and go to trial (let’s see)
In this case add the oddity that attackers knew exactly when all staff/cartoonists would be gathered, and behaved like military operatives (i.e. were well informed/trained), but supposedly initially got the address wrong (or did they pretend to get it wrong to give the impression they’re amateurs?).
I’m not jumping to any conclusion or making any accusations, I just think there are anomalies in the official account at this point.
+100
this should be a guide for "How to detect a false Flag Ops"
The French aren't so smart. How are they going to get the Tank off the truck? French tanks only go in reverse.
In Standoff With Besieged Murder Suspects
They don't have drones in France?
Must....Distract....The....Sheeple.....
Not everything is a "false flag" operation.
These seem like to Islamic lunatics. I hope they capture them and wrap them in bacon, shove pork roll down their throats and then shoot them.
Folks, Islam wants to conquor the world. Study history. They burned the Alexandria Library, burned down Nalanda University and almost conquered the West and East.
Kill the mother fuckers.
They can't both have it their way:
They want to die like martyrs while France just wants to surrender.
Sadly, the French have little left to surrender; but will gladly accept the challenge to out pussify Boston.
There's a TANK on a flatbed in one of the pictures. If this was GTA they'd have 5 stars on them right now. THey need to go hide underground and start doing the "lower wanted level" cheat like crazy.
The Russian solution needs to be conducted on these two. Their families, uncles, cousins, lovers all need to be wiped off the map. Once this is done, it sends the message not to pull this bullshit again in the west. Go to your crappy deserts and do what you will, however keep your ignorance and stupidity there.
My favorite part is watching the GenX-DaRmes puffing away on their bikes to get to the scene of the crime with their night-sticks. Very intimidating to those holding AK47's.
... as Cicero indeed would say, "cui bono" ...
... check out what Dr PCR says about this and other things >>> http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/01/08/charlie-hebdo-tsarnaevs-trial-qui-bono/ ...
... to whose benefit, indeed ...
Dick Cheney's Services Required Here To Met Out Some ""Enhanced"" Fucking Punnishments...
pearl harbor, holocaust, oklahoma, wtc, sandy hook, boston marathon...what are the chances that this tv episode is real?
... >>> "what are the chances that this tv episode is real?"
... it might be like the same chances that (according to this Human Rights Watch and Columbia Law School Human Rights Institute report) ... "All of the high-profile domestic terrorism plots of the last decade, with four exceptions, were actually FBI sting operations" >>> http://reason.com/blog/2014/07/22/human-rights-watch-all-of-the-high-profi
"Folks, Islam wants to conquor the world. Study history. They burned the Alexandria Library, burned down Nalanda University and almost conquered the West and East."
This is just blatantly false. Its the bankers that want to conquer the world, and have been mainly successful! They need to keep people divided and conquered, hence you get your scapegoats and your false flags and your daily dose of islamophobia.
If 'the Muslims' were really going to take over Europe, then why AREN'T the Balkans Muslim???? Only Albania is majority Islamic. The entire Balkans were in the possession of the Ottomans. If they didn't exterminate and forcibly convert the Christians there, what is the argument that THAT is what would have happened to Western Europe if the Ottomans were not defeated?
The Ottomans were actually very religiously tolerant (for their time).
Herd, you need to read some books.
Start with Srdja Trifkovic's "The Sword of the Prophet."
I don't care about the time of Muhammad. I care about the history of the Ottoman Empire. One is a lot more recent than the other, but you are telling me the more distant one is more significant. Which I don't 'buy'.
HOW TO PREPARE A RADICAL ISLAMIST
You have left out one of the most important parts of dealing with this vermin. You MUST prepare the muslim to meet its maker and get its 72 virgins.
1. Find a radical islamist.
2. Kill it. (making certain NOT to blow its head off)
3. Open its mouth. (Extract any gold teeth for booty. These can be sold to other "rad" muslims. Use Craigs List under "Gold for Sale")
4. Fill the mouth with bacon. (Use the cheap stuff here with plenty of fat)
5. Close the mouth.
6. Sew the mouth shut with pig gut. (Available as violin string)
7. Take the "scalp". (In this case the beard. Any good fishing filet knife will do the job)
8. Attach the "scalp" to your scalp belt. (You will be "da' man" at the next NRA meeting if you have more than 3)
9. Carve the appropriate notch on your pistola grip. (Optional)
10. Rinse your hands and repeat.
Fate the Magnificent
"Push the Button, Max"
11. leave mom's basement first and unplug the fictional video game you believe is real
+100 he did sound underage with a brain of a toothpaste
"The Russian solution..."
The Phoenix Program in Vietnam:
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/08/09/de-manufacturing-consent-with...
...or read Valentine's important book on the subject.
So somebody thinks that sometimes Russian solution have a chance to be only option which can take effect=)
The concept of martyrdom is an especially good idea, because it will tend to supress any genetic disposition towards this behavior in future generations. It's just a matter of making sure the religious nuts make the entry into paradise before they've procreated in the physical world.
Everybody wins that way.
Who said they "want to die like martyrs"?
Oh, that's right, the media did.
We know the media said it. They may have been reporting or they may have been embellishing. But as a legally undefined term, it was simply used for dramatic effect regardless of which side used it first.
I do not buy that these are some tough guy martyrs. They are total pussies. Shoot a bunch of unarmed people, run and hide like a scared mouse....yet, somehow get the message out that they are prepared to die. What a joke. These guys are like the guys in school that always came in last running around the track in PE. Yippie, you got your day of glory.
What's even more of a joke, is if they believed their islamic BS, then they would gladly come out guns blazing because what awaits them in the afterlife is nothing but bliss. They don't even believe that..
That's the sad part.
Nail their nuts to a floor, set the building on fire and give each a knife.
It is important not to be sadistic. Just methodical on retailation against those scums families.
Sounds like a job for the French foreign legion.
Or an all female sniper team
moved
@pelican
And in French Foreign Legion, first nationality is ... French !
Look how big that place is, it's a week day. Are we supposed to believe there isn't a fair chunk of the workers still in there? If these guys went in with police uniforms they went in with a plan, and workers getting out was probably not part of it.
Was this printery printing the offending cartoons perchance? If it was I'd say it's getting torched and everyone inside is dead meat.
Who wrote this script Jerry Bruckheimer?
It appears that the professional mossad hit squad got away and all they got were the patsies.
Good thing they had all the professionally printed protest signs printed and in the hands of the donkeys within an hour of the event.
I was always surprised that only 3000 people died at 9/11, given the amount of people those buildings held. Then again, I suppose, there was, what - an hour or so? - between the planes hitting and the buildings falling.
DO NOT KILL THEM.. Cordon off a block of muslim slum apartments and televise them burning ... with the provision that the police will stop shooting people escaping the flames if they surrender. It's the Muslim way.
Sounds like the West Bank.
So after all you're no better than those you condemn..?
Same barbaric eye for an eye mentality?
I have seen some true savages advocate multiple eyes for each eye, clearly not a well-thought out philosophy, but hey, what can you do.
"Kill the mother fuckers." And then smear pig blood on them before throwing them in the sea.
True, not everything is a false flag.
Some flags are just monitored, and used as useful idiots.
most of what mass media is reporting is false (add any word)
what is interesting is who chooses to believe what is
truth
in the mass media reportage.
because SOME commentary appears to believe CERTAIN stories told
while "seeing through" other stories.
ah well, working as intended. . .
Put an armed nutball in the right place and time, and one will get any of a number of a range of 'acceptable outcomes'.
They can want to conquer the world all they want. Anyone with half a brain can see that they won't and never will.
Which in turn makes me really suspicious of even halfbrained people claiming Islam is an existential threat to Western civilization. Now let's see, who may want the world to believe such nonsense, and why?
Your theory simply doesn't square with the facts of 1300 years of history...or the actual, written text of the Koran.
But keep believing what you want to believe, I guess.
I don't give a flying fuck about their book or their history. We live now, and muslims are globally at the ass juiced bottom of the shit pile called civilization. Marginalized, impoverished, oppressed, and impotent except in the sexual sense.
There's no muslim army of any name or number, nor can there be. Any battle or war is as asymmetrical as it gets. You'd have to be one deluded coward to be scared of that.
I once believed you. These days I believe they could succeed through an orchestrated take-over: "Gee, it's not our fault you live under an oppressive one-world dictatorship. Those Muzzies beat us fair and square!"
If you want to rule a nation with an iron fist, what's the easiest way to dump the peaceful puppets and replace them with violent puppets?
Same puppet masters, different scenes, different puppets.
Gee, it's not our fault you live under an oppressive one-world dictatorship. Otherwise those Muzzies will beat us fair and square.
Fixed that. Now it's not even that hypothetical.
You're describing the present, I'm describing a potential future. But the more I think about it, the more I like your comment. 1984 is here, and you've just reminded us. Thanks.
"Not everything is a "false flag" operation"
Exactly. Once religion enters the picture, useful idiots have a way of showing up to do stupid shit that would otherwise require time, money and brainwashing.
For sure hundreds of millions will need to be thrown at this.
Detainment
Homes illegally searched
Bank accounts seized
Most false flags depend at least partly on useful idiots. But if you're prepared to critically review other incidents as possible false flags, why not this one? The number of anomalies in the official news story is high as ever, and there is the usual universal condemnation immediately followed by calls for tougher security measures. Curiously in this case, the modus operandi of the perpetrators doesn't even point to islamic terrorism at all, yet people seem more eager than ever to swallow that narrative.
Oh, I am open to it being a false flag. It's highly possible. However, I also know the power mongers will never let a useful opportunity that's not part of their plans go to waste. Useful dupes of all stripes from religious morons to fervent political ideologues to just plain masochists are all very useful to the power structure, especially for keeping the large swaths of fear-filled peons in line.
CIA sponsored.
pelican re "Folks, Islam want to" ... :
and the French govt freely let them in with no regard for the matter.
B-b-b ... but I thought that multiculturalism would bring us tolerance and understanding and werld peas!!!
I am still too dumb to know the role of Islam in the violence (yeah, I can be slow at times) but if I do know that if someone started taking out the politicians at the same rate as the civilians, then the problem would go away, and with no need to introduce new laws.
Really? What gives you that impression? All I saw were French-speakers dressed in black with their faces conveniently covered.
They were not wearing tight jeans and even if they were, how would you be certain they were Islamic?
<<These seem like to Islamic lunatics.>>
3 axis stability driving shooting, leclerc tank :)
system also on leopard ( deutch )
no offence but your abrams tanks are jokes.
We just shipped over 100 to Estonia and Latvia.
On their way to ISIS?
Winchester , ALL tanks are jokes when going up against A-10's ,, tank to tank wars are the last wars thinking,, your precious leopards will die as quickly as anything else... M1 Abrams are certainly not "jokes" .. Where are you from , France?
French tanks have a forward gear in case they are attacked from the rear.
They have tanks?
some, but that is not the issue
what France had was the gall to tell Washington and London: "We don't believe the shit you are telling" coupled with a "Search for WMDs in Iraq... on your own"
since then, we entered the Age of the Congress Cafeteria Freedom Fries and of American Neo-Con denigration of everything that has to do with France or it's armed forces
all drawn on the rich substrate of old British quips on their hundreds-of-years-foes, with some very idiotic home-made toppings and frostings
(all distributed by the same people that originally invented the stuff about "globalists" and "world government", interestingly. lots of neo-con hate for the UN in the mix)
Settle down.
It's just fun to make fun of the French, that's all.
Quit overthinking it.
fun, yes. but using the whole neo-con propaganda set... it gets annoying. and this includes "globalist", "world government", "the UN" idiocies, the "Agenda 21" stupidities that have nothing to do with the rest of the world, actually describing purely American affairs... seen through a neo-con lens
my point is that here we find lots of commentators which have such ultra-conservative and such American point of views... that the whole neo-con propaganda set get's regurgitated without even one little bit of thinking
and this includes a lot of this Muslim-hate "let's go and bomb some towel-heads" stuff and all this French-are-surrendering-monkeys straight out of Homer Simpson's mouth full of Freedom Fries, or this new theory on the relations between the young USA and the Muslim world
@Ghordius
Great Post !
@Haus-Targaryen
All this ugly disdain and nasty jokes come from the firm refusal of the French to join America in Irak, in 2003.
Since France refused to go to Iraq, American warmongers and neo-cons made French army look like cowards – as a punishment.
But History has proved the French were right, and that the WMD were only a dirty trick to serve as a pretext.
Nevertheless, the hate of American warmongers against France remains still there, well alive, even in ZH.
This stale hate still shows through "innocent good jokes" about the “surrender monkeys” and their white flags …
As for the rest, the French can be proud of their Military History:
According to the British historian Niall Ferguson, since 387 BC, France has fought 168 major wars against such badasses as the Roman Empire, the British Army and the Turkish forces. Their track record isn't too shabby, either: They've won 109, lost 49 and drawn 10 times.
This makes France the most successful military power in European history - in terms of number of fought and won …
The French have succeeded to conquer and guard the largest country in Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_France
Yeah, but when Germany and Spain team up, they kick France's butt! Since the days of the Habsburgs!
They won, they lost, they drawn ...
France and the French have been around a long time in the heart of Europe in one form or another.
They will survive.
Top 10 (now 12) inconsistencies tally:
1. 10 people were supposed to have died with others injured. Yet at the
scene, a max of 2 ambulances showed up when well over 10 would have
been needed for such an event.
2. It looks like they did fire some real rounds from the looks of one of
the police cars for this "drill", however the pictures are not clear
enough to show if the bullet holes are just gangsta stickers, in one of
the photos the police officers are laughing and joking next to the shot
up car where someone supposedly died. Additionally, images on Google of
shot up windshields have cracks going all through the windshield. In
this France event, all damage is limited to where the holes are. Is
that possible?
3. All people who responded to the scene had French Foreign Legion haircuts. Odd for ambulance drivers and EMT's.
4 (a good one) - If the perpetrators got away and have not been
captured, HOW did the French police identify them within hours when they
did not turn up elsewhere? Sort of like the passport on 911 or all
those pristine passports from flight MH17. That works. Gotta have a
positive ID on them to "prove" they are "Muslim" and not just the Mossad
out on a field trip. Gotta do it when the shock factor is at max. And
no one dropped a passport this time, HOW did the police figure it out?
TIMES THREE?
5. I never saw any bloody photos from this, not even fake blood, not
even from a police officer who was shot by an AK and laying on the
sidewalk for 10 seconds before being "shot" a second time, and still no
blood. Very odd if this is real.
6. Target was a group of Jews, who belong to a greater whole which stages B.S. terror attacks frequently. That stinks.
7. How did the road miraculously have no traffic? The scene is set up
as if staged. It is as if the area was cordoned off prior to the
"attack" for a drill, so the "terrorists" simply parked smack dab in the
middle of the road because they knew there would be no traffic.
8. How did the attackers know there would be a giant staff meeting with
everyone important for the publication present to be shot all at once? A
little help from the NSA or what?
9. The publication had serious prior financial trouble, and if
it was going to close anyway, why not use it to stage a psy op? That
would "explain" why it closed, would it not?
10. There is no recoil on the AK as it shoots. I initially assumed
blanks, but what about rubber bullets? At any rate, there was no sign
of blood at any point from the police officer, an AK goes all the way
through and bullet proof vests are for handguns, not AK rounds. If he
was wearing one it would not work. LACK OF ANY RECOIL AT ALL SCREAMS
BLANK.
Inconsistency 11: All video initially posted was shot from
rooftops. FOR A SCENE THAT LASTED LESS THAN A MINUTE. How did anyone
get up to the roof that fast to get video of this, times several people
shooting from different places? The roof tops were just regular roof
tops with no reason for anyone to be up there. It is not like there was
a roof top Starbucks or something. Why were people up there to begin
with, how did they figure out what was going on and have their cell
phones all ready to shoot video from perfect angles from start to
finish?
ANSWER: They went up ahead of time, got in position, and shot
video of a drill they knew would happen. It is the only rational
answer. Even if they were a roofing crew, they would not have
figured out something was going on and had camera phones (times several)
shooting clear video in under 15 seconds to capture this less than a
minute long event. The staged camera angles and time frame alone
nails this as a fraud, such timing and positioning is flatly impossible.
Even the robot android DATA from Star Trek could not have gotten up to
the roof that fast, found where to shoot the best video from and
captured this so well.
Inconsistency 12: Getaway driver was in school at the time of the "incident"
Classmates stand up for him
The classmates of an 18-year-old suspect in the Paris shooting, that
occurred yesterday afternoon at the offices of Charlie Hebdo magazine,
have protested his innocence by saying that he was in class at the time
of the incident in which 12 people were murdered.
Hamyd Mourad was reported to have handed himself to the police at around11pm last night after he saw his name mentioned on the news and his friends and acquaintances have said that he has an alibi, as they claim
he was present in the classrooms that day.
It won't matter, just like the Boston bombing, where dorm room
mates said Tsnarev was not at the bombing scene when it happened. Once they name a patsy, he is TOAST. What an innocent dupe Hamyd was for turning himself in expecting the system to be just when running a Jewish scam! Gitmo time!
I really like the one where the officer gets shot with an AK 47 and yet doesn't bleed or twitch just falls down...Hmmm has anyone seen the Zapruter footage of the Kennedy assassination??
That's what it looks like to be shot.
Bullshit. All of it.
The AK doesn't kick much. Anyone who's ever shot it knows this. Kicks a bit more than the AR; but not much.
Rubber bullets produce the same recoil a regular bullet will. Blanks, a bit less; but there's still some. The energy of the gunpowder exploding and blasting out the barrel has an equal and opposite reaction.
Why go on?
I like when people question things - nothing should be taken at face value.
If you look very closely at the video of the officer being shot (frame by frame), you can see that the head shot actually misses and strikes the sidewalk beside the officer's head, or alternatively, the muzzle blast from the blank causes dust to fly up from the sidewalk beside the cop's head. Either way, he doesn't take a bullet to the head, but he is deaf in 1 ear now.
wheres the blood, that guys brain would be all over the sidewalk, its such total fucking bs.
+100 I saw that last night , and the MSM declared him dead (plus no blood) lol
COCCOTTI
I can’t be sure of how much of what he told you. So in the chance you’re in the dark about some of this, let me shed some light. That whore your boy hangs around with, her pimp is an associate of mine, and I don’t just mean pimpin’, in other affairs he works for me in a courier capacity. Well, apparently, that dirty little whore found out when we’re gonna do some business, ’cause your son, the cowboy and his flame, came in the room blazing’ and didn’t stop till they were pretty sure everybody was dead.
CLIFF
What are you talkin’ about?
COCCOTTI
I’m talkin’ about a massacre. They snatched my narcotics and hightailed it outta there. Wouldda gotten away with it, but your son, fuckhead that he is, left his driver’s license in a dead guy’s hand.
CLIFF
Ya know, I don’t believe you.
COCCOTTI
That’s of minor importance. What is of major fuckin’ importance is that I believe you. Where did they go?
CLIFF
On their honeymoon.
Was more believable
This is not a False Flag....if it was, Clipboard Man and Pressure Wash Guy would be on site
FLASHBACK: Palestinian state recognition will be a ‘grave mistake’, Netanyahu warns France
http://rt.com/news/208187-israel-france-grave-mistake/
Breaking Down The False Flag Event In Paris – Episode 561
https://www.youtube.com/v=LBP6_-Ng1tA
Charlie Hebdo cartoonist reveals terrorists threatened to murder her toddler unless she let them in – and how she cowered with child under desk as massacre took place
She says men ‘who spoke perfect French’ claimed to be Al Qaeda terrorists
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2900750/I-let-terrorists-Charlie...
Paris Charlie Hebdo attack has at least 3 NATO Operation Gladio signatures
http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/paris-charlie-hebdo-attack-least-nat...
A Timeline: Where’d Paris Shooters Get Their Weapons?
http://www.activistpost.com/2015/01/a-timeline-whered-paris-shooters-get...
Charlie Hebdo: Classmates protest innocence of suspect Hamyd Mourad, 18, with school alibi
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-classmates-...
CHARLIE HEBDO WHERE’S THE BLOOD?
UPDATE 2: YouTube just yanked the version above. Here is another.
https://www.youtube.com/v=ZVMV44lwx_E
MOSSAD ATTACKS PARIS?
http://aanirfan.blogspot.se/2015/01/mossad-attacks-paris.html
FLASHBACK: French cartoonist Sine on trial on charges of anti-Semitism over Sarkozy jibe
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/4351672/French-c...
Charlie Hebdo and Tsarnaev’s Trial: Qui bono? by Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/01/08/charlie-hebdo-tsarnaevs-trial...
This is ridiculous.
We're at an awkward moment in the script.....
There is always a lull in the action between Act I and Act II of a play... In this case, Kabuki dance...
Yep, Jefferson32 is a blithering idiot for immediately jumping to the conclusion that this is some false flag op. Each of his "criteria" can easily be used to apply to another situation, eg. "suspects' identities revealed quickly" could be due to legitimate law enforcement efforts to locate and apprehend, or some other perfectly legitimate reason.
Is it really too difficult to believe that this is just a case of Mohammedans doing what they've been practicing for 14 centuries?
There's way too much paranoid false flag spotting on the Hedge lately.
Is it really too difficult to believe that this is just a case of Mohammedans [...]
No, that's precisely why I don't jump to any conclusion. Actually, no conclusion can be drawn at this point; that includes the security services' narrative (and excuse me for not granting them benefit of the doubt).
Now you're lying.
Yes, you DID jump to a conclusion. You posted an absurd list of qualifications for a false flag op, and put a (check) at the end of most of them.
No, he said it LOOKS LIKE a false flag, and he is right. But hey, go ahead and believe the Official Story as spewed forth by the Zio-controlled MSM.
Reporter for the NY times floating balloons to see how different narratives play via greenies and comments.
Clever Girl.
One conclusion can easily be drawn:
If the people of France would arm themeselves for self defense, we would not be even talking about this today.
What? How would they stand a chance against trained killers?
The vocal majority of Hedgers believe the last real flag was the one sewn by Betsy Ross, and even that one is under review.
They all think they are so clever and "awake", when the reality of their own lives is proof positive that they really are not so clever at all. In terms of awareness, they represent the Downing Effect writ large. Around here, though, with like-minded wingnuts, they find affirmation. I guess it keeps them off the streets, so in that sense, let rational people take some solace in knowing Tyler is providing a useful public service, Daycare for the Forlorn.
Because Islam doesn't have a 1300 year history of waging war against Europe ... right. No real Muslims could ever really do somethign like this. No way. There's no historical precedent for it.
there are many precedents, even in war. you are making it way too easy, by clumping all this things in "woar"
one of my ancestors commanded a Christian galley bent on attacking and capturing whatever flew the crescent moons, in the Med. he was captured and released for ransom... twice
war? like today? both Muslim commanders not only did not torture him, they both extended him the courtesy of keeping his sword, and did not even subject him to polite questions
yes, we had some 1300 years of war. yes, there were atrocities, too. but you, my dear Lebensphilosoph, make it all too simple with that and historical precedents
Ghordius +1, now can you reveal that you are that man in the dos equis beer adds?
lol. did not know that ad. really funny. "find in life what you do well... and then don't do that" (ads - wiki)
no, I really don't think I'm that interesting (or with such an experienced beard)
but from the perspective of ZH, the experiences of my ancestor in captivity in North Africa are very interesting
he describes in his papers how he was allowed to walk around in what really can only be explained as a market-dominated setting, with the various secular and religious authorities kept at arm's lenght from the merchants in trade (and piracy-like things). and so this is actually hilarious, in this Muslim-bashing context:
Muslim merchants were the original free-market, keep-the-state-out-of-it, keep money-lenders-in-check libertarians
nobody ever achieved that level of libertarianism, neither before or after that period and place in time
even Adam Smith and various other "inventors of free-market ideology"... borrowed their examples - which often pop up here - from Persian writings on the matter
Your ancestor surrendered...twice! I guess we can't all be Charles Martel.
it was somehow accepted practice when your ship was sinking and the enemy was getting overwhelming reinforcements, yes. those galleys were frail affairs, after all. and since he was using convicted criminals and Muslim prisoners as rowers, chained to the galley, there is this little thing of showing some humanity while not being able to continue the fight after having freed them of their chains
Galleys were superseded by sailing ships in the Mediterranean starting in the 14th century.
You would have us believe you have "papers" from an ancestor over 600 years ago???
Bullshit.
the key word is... starting. Take, as an easy example, the flagship of the French galley fleet in the Med, that was always called La_Réale (The Royal)
the first La Réale was built in 1538, the last one of the eleven was built in 1734, part of a substantial galley fleet
for corsair purposes, the galley was used until Lord Nelson's times, and was very useful for (light) reconaissance even later, though the rowing boats started to change and be called differently, particularly those used by the Spaniards. but I don't have to believe him. plenty of other descriptions from better sources
The Battle of Lepanto, 1571, is considered the era when galleys would BEGIN to be replaced wholesale (for combat) with sailing ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=dos+equis+man+smoke+drywall+from+a+crack...
Thomas Jefferson (1743 – 1826) was the third President of the United States, and the principal author of the Declaration of Independence.
In reference to the Islamic slave trade of Americans and Europeans by the Barbary states, Jefferson asked Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman, by what right he extorted money and took slaves in this way. He answered:
The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.[119][120]Jefferson later went to war with the Barbary states.
- Wikipedia
and a lot of Muslim-bashing websites in America make a lot out of those unfriendly words from the ambassador of an enemy, who never had any religious qualifications
Thomas Jefferson knew the Muslim Holy Book himself very well and signed the very first treaty of friendship and trade of the United States of America... with a Muslim country: Morocco
and this treaty is still active, the longest serving treaty the US has, since 1777: Moroccan–American_Treaty_of_Friendship
Peddle your Muslim-cuddling bullshit elsewhere. No one is buying it here.
your first two Presidents would disagree. two gentlemen of the old kind, btw
I'm so sorry that the very first treaty of the US was with a Muslim Sultan, specifically with Mohammed_ben_Abdallah,
who was the very first foreign government to recognize the United States of America,
and permitted George Washington to have American ships sailings in his waters after GW wrote to him and asked politely
You are deluded. The Syrians tortured Israeli POWs during the '82 war in ways that make waterboarding seem like an ice bucket challenge. Electrodes stuck to genitals, uprooting fingernails. Read the descriptions. Nasty nasty shit. So take the crusader romance stories back to the halls of academia because your head is stuck up your ass.
I repeat: "yes, we had some 1300 years of war. yes, there were atrocities, too. but you, my dear Lebensphilosoph, make it all too simple with that and historical precedents " so what context are you using? that of "1'300 years of war" or that of the atrocities-filled 20th and 21st centuries?
I'm talking about the here and now. Islam still hasn't left the middle ages. Concepts introduced to the world via classical liberalism are completely foreign to them. And in the case of the fundamentalists they are representative of evil. But go ahead and accept them and show them the wonders of the welfare state. I just hope some "disillusioned youth" won't find you a convenient target after they realize that beyond the welfare check there's no hope...
"by way of deception thou shalt do war"
mossad motto
Lebensphilosoph Re "Because Islam doesn't ..." :
... and obviously the French govt had no knowledge of this 1300 year history and so totally ignored it when designing their immigration programs ...
What dooooooo they teach the young 'uns at school these days?
Multiculturalism will bring us tolerance and understanding and werld peas! ...
I don't know the answer but I do recognize the narrative is two faced.
Culprit shot dead, no testimony, no trial. Not Yet
You left off something along the lines of we are not here to kill innocents...... Really muzzy terrorists, not here to kill innocents? I had some doubts about this one until that statement. The only thing I can say is perhaps they will demand surrender of the whole country of France, they may very well get it.
Now we need a gun battle that kills both terrorists with no Civilian casualities, and the boddies come out in sealed bags, on the way back to Langley......
When Moshe opened his kosher butcher shop this morning, he had no idea he would directly confront the two cartoon-slaughtering specimens of France's open border multiculturalistic policies and be whisked away as their trembling hostage.
It is kind of ironic; two Butchering Muslims kidnapping a Butcher as hostage.
Its all about the pork chops. And bacon. Its all about the pork chops, bacon, and sausage. Don't forget the sausage.
To their way of thinking that is true , if you are an "unbeliever" you are not innocent.. you are a good target. You will convert , die or be taken as a slave ,, if the slave is allowed to think that he is free it is only because the muslims are extracting taxes from him.
Straight out of the Koran. Funny how the down voters don't bother to look it up.
"Hey, have a slice of pound cake. It's delicious."
"Um, no thanks, pound cake has a ton of butter in it and I'm lactose intolerant."
"Oh I'm sure THIS pound cake has no butter."
"How do you know?"
"Because they said so on TV"
"But the bakery where it comes from says it is authentic pound cake."
"Yeah but it has no butter."
"But the bakery publishes the recipe, and the recipe says butter"
"Yeah but everyone knows they don't really use butter."
"But the cake smells like it has butter"
"No it doesn't, that's your imagination"
"Ok fine, I'll eat it. [eats cake, becomes sick, throws up] You fucking asshole, you gave me cake with butter in it!"
"No you're just imagining it. And stop being racist."
+1000
Add another
- 'Suspects' make statements about their position yet no one knows how they were allowed to make that statement and no one asks how they made it
I see that the usual (and some brand new) trolls are out with the typical distractive comments...France is lame, the French are surrender monkeys, etc, etc,
Let's not ask relevant questions, however.
Incidentally, if any of you trollish pukes are American, you wouldn't be without the French. Incidentally, when the French have had enough, they not only throw off the chains, they drag their "leaders" into the street and chop their heads off. What do you do?
That's what I thought.
I don't think they are trolls. they just believe the neo-con revenge propaganda. Hell, even Homer Simpson believes it, and coined the "surrender monkeys" meme
It's funny how people don't stop to think that these two ideas are not mutually exclusive:
(1) Islam is a murderous political ideology
(2) Islam is useful as a focus for false-flag attacks.
The original Muslim false-flag attack was 9/11. It worked so well, it's no wonder that it led to the boston false flag, and now this French false-flag.
I initially thought this French attack was real, but it's obviously a false flag. Because there is no fucking way they could come up with these guys names within 24 hours.
your (1) theory has no historical leg to stand on. or would have Christianity as equally culpable. and (2) is somewhat... contrary to your (1), in my view, so perhaps you have to explain where do you see the non-mutually exclusivity. I don't get it
the way I see it, spreading a lot of hate against Muslim is useful in order to have lots of wars in Muslim countries. and there are lots of extremists, among the even bigger Muslim population. perhaps 1% would be my guesstimate. but attacking the 99% because of the extremism of 1% is a bit... extreme, in my view
they called BFM TV (sort of CNN, but cheaper, and on a french scale...). Apparently, BFM TV didn't put them live on TV, and just forwarded their comments to AFP (or any other news agency).
Jefferson you are correct. Something else is going on here.
You nailed it with this one: Attacks are immediately used to justify an attack on individual liberty
Don't succomb to this false flag bullshit. There is no evidence to support jefferson32's claims. NONE. He presents the classic false dichotomy in multiple instances - if they release the suspects identities early on, it's definitely a false flag; if they didn't, it isn't. Contradictory reports from witnesses/media people = false flag op. Political timing? Seriously!? This is all bullshit. As if there are no other reasonable explanations for these circumstances.
This is paranoid delusion.
There is a difference between being paranoid and being diligent. We don't trust anyone because we have been lied to so many times before. We assume everything we hear is a lie because most of the time anything we hear is a lie. We question authority. That is not paranoia; that is due diligence.
Look at the footage of the cop getting shot a second time. Does NOT ADD UP. He was clearly missed and there was not a drop of blood splattered onto the pavement.
If this is a false flag, life is truly becoming a ridiculous pantomime.
You watch too many movies. I've seen the real thing several times and there is not always a big red spray of blood and brains. Some are clean in and out. Not every head explodes like a watermelon.
Not to worry, I think we are becoming obsessed with false flags. Everything that happens now is a false flag. I do not think this is a set up but that footage of the cop getting shot goes to show just how easily you can be led off on a tangent. It looks to all an intents and purposes to me that he missed by about a foot.
thatthingcantfly
Your "certainty" that it was NOT a false flag
is in denial of current, recent and past history,
from Gladio to Phoenix, from AlQaeda to ISIS.
In the current case, the US and its "partners" like Saudi Arabia have
helped organize, train, radicalize, and equip fighters to combat Assad and Iran.
Those "fighters" have then somehow returned, armed themselves, and organized a "terror" attack all under the watchful eyes of the "counter-terrorism" police.
Whether it was deliberately helped, or intentionally allowed to predictably happen, the cause of the "blowback" has its origins in on-going Western militarism, support for extremist despotism, and attempts to gain full spectrum economic and military global dominance.
Only the deluded readily believe that such attacks are a surprise to "innocent" western governments with clean hands in the origin and execution.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/paris-shooters-just-returned-from-natos-pro...
"Your "certainty" that it was NOT a false flag."
And NOW I've heard it all. Prove that it wasn't!? Seriously? That's your response? Prove a negative.
JFC. You people have completely lost your minds.
Semantics.
Your faith in the official narrative
is in denial of current, recent and past history
Is this better? Now you don't have to prove a negative. ;)
The "extremists" have not arrived from nowhere. They have been financed and armed by the US and its partners such as Saudi Arabia. Whether deliberately helped or intentionally allowed, we can be sure of one thing. It was predictable.
Can we conceptualize beyond the possible immediate motives of the attackers? Regardless of the attackers' immediate motive for blowback, it was predictable blowback.
Conceptualize this. Generating predictable blowback is the generalized version of isolated false flag terrorism. Our policy-makers are NOT idiots, and know full well what are their global aims, and what the predictable results will be of their promoting extremists, invasions, occupations, renditions, tortures, etc.
The most predictable result will be that those who superficially focus on the immediate alleged motives of the attackers will ignore and deny how extremism has been cultivated and blowback generated to serve designs of global domination other than those of the attackers.
exactly!!! and all of this was reported ad nauseum by the CIA, FBI and every other military and intelligence agency before Iraq was invaded. Bush and Cheney knew full well attacking Iraq on such bullshit grounds would only create a huge backlash of Islamic terrorism.....Mission Accomplished.
These attacks weren't planned in detail by the MIC but they certainly were hoped for, now watch what happens in Europe as the MIC destabilzes it from within by letting more attacks unfold. Remember they monitor every form of electronic communication in the world.
After invading, occupying, bombing, torturing, renditioning, night assassinations, drones, support for despots and extremist organizations
done to how many nations,
now is the "shock and surprise" that there is resentment, retaliation, and revenge
mixed with replayed fantasy that "they" are attacking our "freedoms"
all in denial and despite the known ulterior motives and designs of our own leaders
and the policies of global militarism and "Homeland" policing mandated
by our own public and private leaders.
http://news.antiwar.com/2015/01/08/blowback-paris-killings-likely-reveng...
the idea of "who the real terrorist IS" has been completely inverted! (please excuse the IS pun)
Orwell would be proud
/s
Agreed... most comments posted here are complete sand utter rubbish..
This is not barbarians at the gates.. this is barbarians amongst us.. It is real and we had better get used to this sort horrific event happening again.
Pack heat anyone?
Get back on your meds and back to AJ's site.
Utter Bollocks..
Take a look at the video being shot from roof tops. HTF do you gain such a position without prior knowledge. Also look at the cop being shot almost point blank with an AK47. He doesn't even move. They are using blanks. Anyone ever see a windshield shot up, bullets don't make nice neat holes in safety glass and what's with the F'n sneaker that's so special he has to stop and pick it up before getting away.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668
Da, HedgeHammer there's been a glut of orders to purchase that ' miracle ' glass. The manufacturers have taken on 500 extra workers and the CAC has gone up 1.3% on the back of it.
This is what a 9mm does to auto glass with protective film applied. Notice how the glass cracks in a thousand different pieces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaM_l3loRcc#t=160
Didn't need prior knowledge, just heard the gunshots and ran up the stairs to the roof with a camera. The same thing happens in any riot.
Shot up windshields absolutely can and do look just like the ones in the pictures.
Someone picked up a shoe during the fog of war. These weird things happen in dynamic crisis situations. Extreme stress can affect a person's behavior in strange ways. I knew a guy who drove his car off the road into a ditch. The first thing he did was not to take any emergency action with the controls of his car, but to turn down the radio. He talked about it later in disbelief that he had done something so irrelevant at that moment. These things happen.
Maybe so but it wasn't like they were shooting out the window of the car before they got out, this person was already there with camera and waiting. That cop was supposedly shot as they got out of the car then rolled on the ground and then shot at point blank and still not a drop of blood. Does not look real to me as I've seen what live rounds do to a person. I may be way off basis here but I don't think so.
A sneaker would have DNA.
Where did it come from? Who lost it? How?
(I'm not calling FF or not. I don't know either way. Just posing the obvious qs.)
You might be over thinking this. I don't think too many "military operatives" lose their shoes during their attacks. They actually look a lot more to me like a garden variety band of very angry losers.
total false flag hoax psyop, the video he shoots the guy in the head, no blood, nothing not a red pixel its total bs if that does not wake you up there is no hope for you.
Questions Surrounding Charlie Hebdo Shooting- Is This Another Gladio Operation?
http://winteractionables.com/?p=17674
Great list, I have a minor quibble with the last item. You're right, except for the vegetable exemption caviat, sometimes invoked to let them appear in court if they've been reconfigured to show up in court like a vegetable, eg, the Boston Bomber with his larynx shot out and the Ft. Hood shooter who is basicly propped up like a cantaloupe.
Definitely false flag. Its impossible that these guys are of a religion of peace.