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'Charlie Hebdo' Suspects, Paris Hostage-Takers Killed; Four Hostages Dead, Four Severely Injured

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Update: the hostage-takers are dead. However, according to Reuters at least four hostages at the Kosher supermarket have been killed according to Reuters, citing a police source.  Additionally, and take this with a grain of salt, CNN adds that the female suspect in the Paris grocery siege escapes.

Live Feed:

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  • *FRENCH POLICE START RAID ON CHARLIE HEBDO SUSPECTS' HIDEOUT
  • *2 EXPLOSIONS, 10 SHOTS AS POLICE RAID DAMMARTIN HIDEOUT
  • *CHARLIE HEBDO SUSPECTS KILLED IN POLICE RAID: AFP
  • *CHARLIE HEBDO SUSPECTS' HOSTAGE IS FREE: AFP
  • *DAMMARTIN HOSTAGE FREED, ISN'T HURT, AFP REPORTS

 

As SKy News reports,

Gunshots have been heard in Dammartin-en-Goele where the two Charlie Hebdo suspects are holed up with a hostage.

 

Sky's Ian Woods, who is on the scene, said: "There was a burst of gunfire that lasted about 10 seconds. Since then we’ve heard four or five explosions.

 

Clearly this is the end game of this operation."

 

Within the past few minutes smoke was seen rising from the factory complex close to the outskirts of Paris and near to Charles De Gaulle airport.

And now we are hearing explosions at the 2nd hostage situation in Paris:

  • *FOUR EXPLOSIONS HEARD AT PARIS PORTE DE VINCENNES HOSTAGE SITE
  • *EXPLOSIONS, GUNFIRE HEARD AT PORTE DE VINCENNES HOSTAGE SITE
  • *SEVERAL HOSTAGES FREED AT JEWISH SUPERMARKET IN PARIS: AFP

Clip of the Police Storming the grocery store...


 


 

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Fri, 01/09/2015 - 12:41 | 5642083 Falconsixone
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Are all the reporters in France british?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 12:44 | 5642103 williambanzai7
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I heard from Max Keiser that all of the people in London are now French.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 12:57 | 5642164 falak pema
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The croissants in the London delis have gotten better remarkably. 

And that is not the accomplishment of a Jihadist ... (croissant = crescent), but of french bakery zealots.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 12:57 | 5642185 Falconsixone
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Good thing the deadly horrible muslims didn't grease any kosher walkers since they don't have a problem with the kosher race.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:00 | 5642217 Falconsixone
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oops........guess they read my post and changed there soap. Whens the funerals? Should be quite a production.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 18:04 | 5643640 Thom_333
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When everything in France turns into Islam and Socialism...move across the channel. Of course. Who needs that shit?

This is bascially Hollande´s constituency shooting up Paris. Those guys are hugely overrepresented amongst those that voted for the idiot. And he understood it to be a great endorsement of socialism and have in short time managed to wreck the French economy. Totalled. So to speak.

Now having lambasted Eurabia-Socialist idiots - my mind suddenly turns to what´s going to happen in the U.S. What Obama is - we know (though few are open to admit it even to themselves). But I hear that you will soon have Jeb 9/11 at the helm. Lot´s of nice connections with arabic oligarchy there. Those idiots that are going to be voting Republican will be very surprised. It will just be more of the same.

Here - have another big large heaping of SNAPcard socialism and Khalifatcooperation.

And BTW - right - left and all that is dead. But I do think we will see massive ethnic/religious conflicts. I you doubt me - ask Al Sharpton.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 12:43 | 5642086 JR
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AJC castigates media for blurring cartoons that 'motivated the reprehensible attack.'

Wikileakers: ‘Jewish pro-censorship lobby’ legitimized attacks on Charlie Hebdo | The Jersualem Post

Wikileaks accused the Jewish lobby of legitimizing attacks on the satirical publication Charlie Hebdo, which was assaulted Wednesday by Islamist terrorists in one of the worst such attacks on French soil.

The organization, which serves as an online clearinghouse for leaked documents, tweeted on Thursday about "How the Jewish pro-censorship lobby legitimized attacks on Charlie Hebdo for 'offensive' speech," linking to a 2009 article in the magazine perceived by some to be anti-Semitic.

Three gunmen entered Charlie Hebdo's Paris office on Wednesday and opened fire, killing 12 people, including Jewish cartoonist Georges Wolinski. The attack drew fierce condemnation worldwide, including from Jewish organizations.

The article to which WikiLeaks linked was from the British newspaper The Telegraph, which details accusations of anti-Semitism leveled against Charlie Hebdo writer Maurice Sinet for commenting on the engagement of then-president Nicolas Sarkozy's son to a Jewish woman amid rumors that the younger Sarkozy planned on converting. (Not mentioning, of course, that Sarkozy is Jewish.)

"He'll go a long way in life, that little lad," Sinet wrote.

Sinet was fired after he refused his editor's request to apologize. He was subsequently taken to court by the Ligue Internationale Contre le Racisme et l'Antisémitisme (LICRA), an organization which works to promote racial tolerance.

"Basically what [WikiLeaks is] saying is that an attempt to combat anti-Semitism through the French legal system paved the way for terrorist murder," said Dr. Efraim Zuroff, the head of the Simon Wiesenthal Center's Jerusalem office.

"There is no such thing as a Jewish pro-censorship lobby. There are attempts by Jewish organizations to combat racism and anti-Semitism and thereby fulfill a very important function in society."

On Thursday evening, the American Jewish Committee castigated a number of Western news outlets for "self-censorship," because they blurred details of several cartoons published by Charlie Hebdo that had angered Muslims.

"Through this act of self-censorship, these news organizations are depriving the public of its right to know exactly what Charlie Hebdo had done to arouse the ire of the jihadists," AJC executive director David Harris said in a statement.

"Keeping this information from the public not only betrays the canons of free journalism, but also furthers the goal of the killers and their sympathizers: to create an atmosphere of fear where freedom of expression is limited and make Islam, alone among all other world religions and secular ideologies, immune from public criticism."

http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Wikileaks-Jewish-pro-censorship-lobby-of-legitimized-attacks-on-Charlie-Hebdo-387183

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:03 | 5642505 Clarabell
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OK mocking and making fun of a religion through cartoons is an act of free speech. Everyone now wants to support this form of free speech. I am so looking forward to seeing publication in the MSM of cartoons mocking and making fun of Judaism. Do you think I'll have long to wait?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:19 | 5642584 YHC-FTSE
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Voltaire would be spinning in his grave. It's ironic that the nation that produced the philosopher who encouraged the peasants to speak the truth to power are only allowed to speak the truth about the least powerful. To be fair, it seems nobody on the planet can speak the truth without losing their jobs or going to prison falsely accused of being anti-semitic these days.

The real atmosphere of fear where freedom of expression is limited happens where Judaism is mentioned, alone among all other world religions and secular ideologies being immune from public criticism. I see no end of criticism about Islam everywhere, some of which is well deserved.

Despite the recent UN Security Council resolution on Palestinian statehood being blocked by the US/Israel alliance, there can be no denying that since the November 2012 General Assembly vote to accord Palestine "non-member observer status" by an overwhelming majority vote of 138 to 9 and their recent application to join the ICC, Palestine is now a de-facto independent state merely awaiting the confirmation of recognition, particularly from the EU which has grown in support of Palestinian independence. Somebody really ought to tell the Israelis that no amount of "Islamic terrorist actions" will derail this process and they should cease it immediately. This has been reported for two years and everyone knows by now that these same Islamic terrorists have been supported by Israel in Syria, injured islamic nutjobs being brought back to Israeli hospitals to be patched up and sent out again to do their dirty work. Although spun as a humanitarian piece, even Sky News, that stalwart of the zionist narrative, covered this fact two years ago.

The British and Irish parliaments also expressed their support for Palestinian independence, so we all know where the nutjobs will strike next, and if I were Federica Mogherini, the Italian EU foreign policy chief, who said that she would like to see a Palestinian state during her 5 year tenure,  I would find a deep bunker or better still, ban all flights from Israel and expel their diplomatic corps.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 12:44 | 5642107 reader2010
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Europe, particulary France and Germany, absolutely needs urgent distraction from the horrendous economic blowbacks from Washington-enforced economic war against Russia.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 12:47 | 5642119 Bastiat
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That's over then.  Can we get back to Epstein, Bubba & the prince?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 12:49 | 5642130 williambanzai7
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It's on deck

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:24 | 5642336 Bastiat
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Now there's something to look forward to!

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 12:52 | 5642158 First There Is ...
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Oh didn't you hear from our esteemed basement dwellers that this whole false flag operation was in fact undertaken to conceal Slick Willy's involvement thereby tarnishing Billary's already stellar reputation? 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 12:47 | 5642123 observer007
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#CharlieHebdo

ALL PARIS NEWS LATEST:

http://tersee.com/#!f=de,en&q=paris&t=text

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 12:49 | 5642141 Ribeye
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There's a collective sigh of relief in the media....

Em, there's still a 26 woman unaccounted for....who is presumably armed....and has  just seen her 3 associates killed....

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 15:14 | 5642919 general ambivalent
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Yeah, but she's a woman, now free of Islamic misogyny. Anything she does has to be right, including driving over a cliff in a car while holding hands with a closet lesbian.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 12:52 | 5642151 SickDollar
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the tribe movie is over

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:08 | 5642268 JR
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How does the U.S. State Department define anti-Semitism?

Gregg Rickman is head of the State Department’s office of global anti-Semitism. He also is the man who shook down $2 billion from Swiss banks during the late 90s to hand over to the likes of the Edgar Bronfmans and other like-minded Jewish families.

But Mr. Rickman will not have to define anti-Semitism. The State Department has done it for him in its “Report on Global-Semitism” and its “Global Anti-Semitism Report. The U.S. State Department lists the following set of beliefs as anti-Semitic:

1)  Any assertion “that the Jewish community controls government, the media, international business and the financial world” is anti-Semitic.

2) “Strong anti-Israel sentiment” is anti-Semitic.

3)  “Virulent criticism” of Israel’s leaders, past or present, is anti-Semitic. According to the State Department, anti-Semitism occurs when a swastika is portrayed in a cartoon decrying the behavior of a past or present Zionist leader. Thus, a cartoon that includes a swastika to criticize Ariel Sharon’s brutal 2002 invasion of the West Bank, raining “hell-fire” missiles on hapless Palestinian men, women and children, is anti-Semitic. Similarly, when the world “Zionnazi” is used to describe Sharon’s saturation bombing in Lebanon in 1982 (killing 17,500 innocent refugees), it is also “anti-Semitic.”

4)  Criticism of the Jewish religion or its religious leaders or literature (especially the Talmud and Kabbalah) is anti-Semitic.

5)  Criticism of the U.S. government and Congress for being under undue influence by the Jewish-Zionist community (including AIPAC) is anti-Semitic.

6)  Criticism of the Jewish-Zionist community for promoting globalism (the “New World Order”) is anti-Semitic.

7)  Blaming Jewish leaders and their followers for inciting the Roman crucifixion of Christ is anti-Semitic.

8)  Diminishing the “six million” figure of Holocaust victims is anti-Semitic.

9)  Calling Israel a “racist” state is anti-Semitic.

10) Asserting that there exists a “Zionist Conspiracy” is anti-Semitic.

11) Claiming that Jews and their leaders created the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia is anti-Semitic.

12) Making “derogatory statements about Jewish persons” is anti-Semitic. (Courtesy Culture Wars)

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:23 | 5642330 Falconsixone
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Is "stinky losser jew" derogatory?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:40 | 5642723 Herd Redirectio...
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I guess I might be anti-semitic...  Just going by the provided definition.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 15:02 | 5642856 optimator
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Your Honor, I plead incredibly guilty!

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 15:35 | 5643019 Swave
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This is sarc right?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 17:05 | 5643457 lakecity55
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So, simply, telling the Truth makes one "anti-semitic."

"To Know Who Rules You, Find Out Who You Cannot Criticize."

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 18:19 | 5643724 Sub MOA
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using a "swastika" to portray a fuckin jew murderer is just more allied propoganda meant to re-enforce the lies that span 70 years against national socialism in Germany.  Any whooo the rise of national socialists and white pride groups are growwing...  so the lies are not holding water anymore.  Time to make the fucking bastards run and take their multiculturism and multiracism with them straight to hell from whence they came.

 

Anti-racist is truly code for anti-white

I approve this message

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 12:57 | 5642200 Ribeye
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4 hostages dead in the supermarket..... fck sake

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:00 | 5642210 Jameson18
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Your muddying the water to much. Its keep it simple stupid. Nobody ever knows what the other person is doing. So you keep the group small and you let everybody not involved to do their job as normal. Think of the NFL they have one or two people in NY watching games and deciding on what calls to make so they can control the games. The players still have to play. Don't think to hard just find the one common denominator who benefits from all of this mess.

Boston was shut down with a fake bombing. Boston was picked because the people of Massachusetts and surrounding states get all of their news from that city. Also the people of Massachusetts are controllable just look at their politics. And you will notice that all of the effected areas have a high concentration of affluent Jewish people. I don't yet understand why. Columbine, Sandyhoook , Boston, Ny, Auroa, Paris.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 12:59 | 5642213 Jano
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All dead. They won't talk anymore.

 

such a luck!

 

and all of it only because France called to stop the sanctions against Russia.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:01 | 5642224 yogibear
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Coming to the US soon.

It's inevitable.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:02 | 5642225 Ribeye
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And right on que..... The little socialist prick is about to waddle out for a presser....

Just resign you scumbag, 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:06 | 5642229 Hamm Jamm
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fear, FEAR, FEAR  !!!!!!!!!!

terrorists around every corner

 

 

fear fear fear

 

Blah ba blah, blah ba blah blah blah

 

 

 

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 17:04 | 5643446 lakecity55
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"The Only Thing we have to Fear is Zionism Itself."

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 18:10 | 5643693 Hamm Jamm
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what about " Budha " ?   is that scary aswell   lol

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:08 | 5642257 esum
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VIOLENCE     SOLVES     PROBLEMS

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:09 | 5642275 Falconsixone
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Be a shame if it was zuckerberg, netanyahu, yellen and the pope.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:10 | 5642278 esum
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list NAMES / PICS / PERSONAL details of  known terrorists...... GLOBALLY

(finally a useful prupose for the pravda media)

 

start executing  them ... ala the black september crew

THE MESSAGE RESONATES... 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:11 | 5642285 IndianaJohn
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Sheboom sheboom, and the song plays on.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:13 | 5642292 esum
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defense doesn't work with terrorism

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:19 | 5642316 Keyboard Kommando
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Barbara Lerner Spectre - Jews Behind Muslim Immigration into Europe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7ldT3YL2Kw

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:22 | 5642585 Monty Burns
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Fact is Jewish organizations, 'intellectuals' and politicians in the Socialist Party have been the driving force for largely Muslim mass immigration to France since WW 2.  Most of the "anti-racist" organizations in France have been founded and continue to be dominated by Jews. These groups work assiduously to demonize all nationalist or anti-immigration (you know, 'far right') parties, and break them financially by sueing  them under "Hate" laws that they themselves brought in.

Now that their Frankenstein monster has turned on them they're fleeing to pastures new.  Just as they'll flee from America once their work there has transformed the carcass into Brazil or Mexico.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 17:03 | 5643427 lakecity55
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Exactly. When they have maximized Profits, they will abandon the Host unless the Host kicks them out First.

"The Zionist is a Vampire. He may only drink enough blood for a while to weaken his victim, but soon, Greed wins out and he sucks the corpse dry and then moves on."

"We Own America. Until We decide to Own something else."

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 19:03 | 5643900 Monty Burns
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Those of you who assigned the downs, have you actually done any research to determine if I'm right or are you just drones earning your hasbara fee?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 16:59 | 5643421 lakecity55
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"We must usher in the untermenschen, and destroy the Christian, Anglo-Saxon race."

--secret compartment of Zionist Protocols

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:21 | 5642323 First There Is ...
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Four French/Mossad/Russian/CIA/NWO/Zio-Jew Goldman actors killed in the standoff, eh? Was Mossad able to stage the crime scene in advance?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:26 | 5642342 Falconsixone
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What else do they have to do with there days?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:25 | 5642344 Bastiat
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The kid who turned himself in and appears to have an alibi is an interesting loose end.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 11:03 | 5642345 Shylockracy
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Dead patsies tell no tales.

Very convenient as well that the Nr. 2 man in the Limoges police, who incidentally was involved in the Charlie Hebdo investigation, decided to commit suicide yesterday.

The unalloyed evil of these bastards knows no bounds. By way of deception thou shall wage war ...

Un commissaire de police de Limoges se suicide dans son bureau

http://www.lepopulaire.fr/limousin/actualite/2015/01/08/un-commissaire-d...

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:26 | 5642348 fiftybagger
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ala Sandy Hoax and the Boston Hoaxathon.  Yawn.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:30 | 5642358 Bumbu Sauce
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What Chesterton wrote about the madman applies to the kooks here.

It is a small matter, but not irrelevant, that this striking mistake is commonly supported by a striking misquotation. We have all heard people cite the celebrated line of Dryden as "Great genius is to madness near allied." But Dryden did not say that great genius was to madness near allied. Dryden was a great genius himself, and knew better. It would have been hard to find a man more romantic than he, or more sensible. What Dryden said was this, "Great wits are oft to madness near allied"; and that is true. It is the pure promptitude of the intellect that is in peril of a breakdown. Also people might remember of what sort of man Dryden was talking. He was not talking of any unworldly visionary like Vaughan or George Herbert. He was talking of a cynical man of the world, a sceptic, a diplomatist, a great practical politician. Such men are indeed to madness near allied. Their incessant calculation of their own brains and other people's brains is a dangerous trade. It is always perilous to the mind to reckon up the mind. A flippant person has asked why we say, "As mad as a hatter." A more flippant person might answer that a hatter is mad because he has to measure the human head.

 

 

And if great reasoners are often maniacal, it is equally true that maniacs are commonly great reasoners. When I was engaged in a controversy with the CLARION on the matter of free will, that able writer Mr. R.B.Suthers said that free will was lunacy, because it meant causeless actions, and the actions of a lunatic would be causeless. I do not dwell here upon the disastrous lapse in determinist logic. Obviously if any actions, even a lunatic's, can be causeless, determinism is done for. If the chain of causation can be broken for a madman, it can be broken for a man. But my purpose is to point out something more practical. It was natural, perhaps, that a modern Marxian Socialist should not know anything about free will. But it was certainly remarkable that a modern Marxian Socialist should not know anything about lunatics. Mr. Suthers evidently did not know anything about lunatics. The last thing that can be said of a lunatic is that his actions are causeless. If any human acts may loosely be called causeless, they are the minor acts of a healthy man; whistling as he walks; slashing the grass with a stick; kicking his heels or rubbing his hands. It is the happy man who does the useless things; the sick man is not strong enough to be idle. It is exactly such careless and causeless actions that the madman could never understand; for the madman (like the determinist) generally sees too much cause in everything. The madman would read a conspiratorial significance into those empty activities. He would think that the lopping of the grass was an attack on private property. He would think that the kicking of the heels was a signal to an accomplice. If the madman could for an instant become careless, he would become sane. Every one who has had the misfortune to talk with people in the heart or on the edge of mental disorder, knows that their most sinister quality is a horrible clarity of detail; a connecting of one thing with another in a map more elaborate than a maze. If you argue with a madman, it is extremely probable that you will get the worst of it; for in many ways his mind moves all the quicker for not being delayed by the things that go with good judgment. He is not hampered by a sense of humour or by charity, or by the dumb certainties of experience. He is the more logical for losing certain sane affections. Indeed, the common phrase for insanity is in this respect a misleading one. The madman is not the man who has lost his reason. The madman is the man who has lost everything except his reason.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 15:03 | 5642852 ebear
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"A flippant person has asked why we say, "As mad as a hatter." A more flippant person might answer that a hatter is mad because he has to measure the human head."

 


Mercury poisoning.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_hatter_disease

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:30 | 5642361 Senduko
Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:50 | 5642455 walküre
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captured this comment from that link

Farzad Mahdi

  • here are so many people in world today who are so excited to see jews getting killed by us, but I want to say something, im tired of Christian sitting back doing nothing and just cheering..why not Christian help us with this war in France and Europe to stop all jews? just nowReply
Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:51 | 5642457 walküre
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duped

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:54 | 5642417 Clarabell
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retracted

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:45 | 5642421 Debugas
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show must go on

 

jewelry shop hostages in Montpellier

 

http://www.20minutes.fr/societe/1513911-20150109-montpellier-prise-otage...

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:53 | 5642438 williambanzai7
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Fri, 01/09/2015 - 13:59 | 5642485 redd_green
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Grind them up and feed the remains to the camels.  No camels in France?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:06 | 5642519 Monty Burns
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"No camels in France?"

Give it time, give it time....

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:10 | 5642524 TalkToLind
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Golly, those CNBC anchors are experts in both financial markets and homeland security!  How'd they get to be so smart?  I'm going to make a serious effort to watch CNBC moar often to help them increase their ratings.  They use Nielsen, right?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:09 | 5642527 Gavrikon
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Now feed their fucking corpses to the pigs, and return the processed bodies to their local Mosques, via exploding shit bombs.

Let the deportations begin!

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:10 | 5642530 Budd aka Sidewinder
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Holed up in a Kosher market????

Seriously???

Could they be any more cliche?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:09 | 5642538 general ambivalent
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'Oh, that pooor woman!' dialogue coming soon for a pro-feminist/double-plus anti-Islam two-minutes love sequel.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:14 | 5642557 Martian Moon
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The fact that TPTB use terrorism as one of their favorite tools does not imply that there is no actual real terrorism

As for the asinine commenters here on ZH that can't respect the French victims enough to at least shut their clap traps until the dead are buried, I can only say karma's a bitch

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:15 | 5642562 Ward no. 6
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i live in a muslim community and i am accepting of them here and try to be friendly with them all.

My main complaint is the ppl who brought them here and don't do anything to help them and we the tax payers

have to foot the bill. The problem here where i live is that they have rights others don't. For example; they can take time to worship at work, while others have to keep working... Shit like this.

They of course get all kind of government help with new cars, free rent and shit like this...

Now the latest thing is that they want to build their own community within our community e.g, build their own schools, stores...

this will cause further isolation...

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:40 | 5642724 dsty
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bow to allah

and still get your head cut off

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 22:14 | 5644575 lotsoffun
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mr./mrs./mz. ward 6 (see i am politically correct).  the reason they are here is because you were a slave.  and the masters found other slaves.  these new slaves are alot cheaper and more compliant.  and now - would you please stop complaining and die.

not sarcasm.  wake up buddy, because i don't think you get it from what you posted.

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:14 | 5642564 Jano
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and this only because France wanted to end sanctions against Russia and was talking recognizing Palestinian State.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 15:24 | 5642964 Village-idiot
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France is also making noise about leavng the Eurozone.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:24 | 5642606 SillyWabbits
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I notice how the expression “in a Western Society” is now the approved place where this incident took place.

So, a deli in France is attacked by a moron and all of Western Society is the criminal.

Expect more Hate Speech Rules and expanded anti-Semitic definitions.

This is a situation between two State Religions which has spilled out on the world stage.

It is not a Western Society problem.  It is a mosque/temple problem.  Western Society should simply contain the problem by closing the borders.  Their borders ……  not ours.

Importing people into America who want America to build Walls around the world instead of bridges is absolute insanity.

Anyone who puts ________- (fill in the blank) in front of American; should just get out.

If you don’t assimilate ……evacuate!

This is blunt due to a lack of space and other people’s time.  I know it is not so simple in practice, but in logic it is.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:42 | 5642739 dsty
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no it is not a situation between 2 religions

it is a situation between islam and the rest of the world

they are not spreading themselves thru out the world for no reason

they fight jihad until the whole world bows to allah

people can't seem to figure that out

like sheep to the slaughter

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 15:07 | 5642888 bombdog
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Could be that or could be it's just a theatre to steer people like you to follow a pre-determined problem-reaction-solution scenario.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 15:21 | 5642946 SillyWabbits
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It is two State Religions.

Neither famous for assimilation.

One is a bloodline (mother to offspring) and the other mostly national.

Each is attempting to get Western Society to choose sides.

I say we choose the constitution without any changes made to accommodate any state religion or religion based upon blood or culture or any religion …….. period.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:22 | 5642607 Rikky
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The biggest shock for these 3 guys is instead of Allah and 70 virgins waiting for them with open arms on the other side, they'll realize they've been duped into believe a complete lie and will be in pain and torment separated from the only true God as he's described in The Bible.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:28 | 5642647 Baby Eating Dingo22
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LOL!!

Good thing we have that legitimate source to rely on

Don't lose that number

It's the only one you own

You might use it if you feel better

When you get home

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 15:21 | 5642953 Joe A
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No no, they don't get 72 virgins but a virgin of 72.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 19:04 | 5643907 Row Well Number 41
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Details matter.

#41

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:26 | 5642616 Equality 7-25-1
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Be a man or die like a dog.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:26 | 5642631 Oswald did it
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Here's a video of a point blank head shot with an AK.  Notice the blood.  Yes it's graphic. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RsfaOwXHqE

 

I guess French cops just don't bleed? 

 

This may or may not be a false flag, but as many here have stated already, after 9/11 and Sandy Hook that is the assumption that has to be made until proven otherwise.

Does anyone here know where to find pictures that show proof that any of this has actually happened? Pictures of wounded, pools of blood, etc?  So far I have been able to find nothing

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 16:44 | 5643120 Free_french
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May be that he was not shot in the head they missed the target...  I saw  (but only once) a testimony at the tv of a woman claiming that a policeman died in the street while he was holding her hand (this man Ahmed was the only policeman being hit in the street)... She waited with him according to her testimony twenty minutes... And no one came to help... Were they all busy rue Appert ? and not aware that there was a casualty 400 yards from the place... Boulevard Richard Lenoir... If true it is something that they will not inform us at the tv... That a policeman was bleeding twenty minutes without any help... They would rather perefer us too believe this policeman has been shot and killed at point blank range...

 

There are on our news video from the assault in the kosher grocery... from a window... May be zerohedge can find this video and post it...

You can see the iron curtain opening... A man already down.... Gunshots... And then The "kidnappeur" gave assault it seems...

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 19:16 | 5643943 Oldwood
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Were those Joos dressed as Muslims shooting all of those policemen? More false flags?

It must be cause we know the Muslims are practicing the religion of peace.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:27 | 5642637 honest injun
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The families of the victims should sue the mosques that the killers attended.  Each member's assets should be in jeopardy.  This is what happened to the KKK in America.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 15:02 | 5642857 Wahooo
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Burn them down, put them on the run.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 15:46 | 5643078 Bioscale
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I would like to see the families of moslims killed by USA soldiers in Iraq to sue the churches and communities at home in the great America where those fucks have grown up.

Just imagine your friends and family being murdered by thousands of foreign soldiers and mercenaries just because some Collin lied about some WMD. America, and maybe France as well, deserves much worse than couple of crazy people killing randomly in a city.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 17:50 | 5643621 Grimaldus
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Not arguing with you about Iraqis killed by USA but MOAR Iraqis were killed by other Iraqis than were killed by foreigners. True. Look it up. Even old Saddam kept  a creekful of Iraqi blood flowing all the time before the USA got there. Muslims are some bloody motherf**kers. It's Sunni vrs Shite thing.

The USA government should be held to account for it's involvement in Iraq I think. Ovomit has put MOAR troops in there and is bombing the f**k out of the place as well. He needs to be arrested for sure. And as long as we are going there, Hillary Clinton destroyed the sovereign nation of Libya. A war crime. I will pay the plane fare to extradite her to trial, as long as I get to watch her execution.

Grimaldus

 

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 17:59 | 5643646 Thom_333
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Ha ha ha. Try that in Europe. The legal system over there doesn´t work that way.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:35 | 5642646 Bunga Bunga
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Another hostage situation in a jewellery store in Montpellier, France

http://www.dailysabah.com/europe/2015/01/09/another-hostage-situation-in...

 

Montpellier: Au moins une personne prise en otage dans une bijouterie... Le GIPN arrive sur place...

http://www.20minutes.fr/societe/1513911-20150109-montpellier-prise-otage...

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:50 | 5642765 observer007
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AGAIN in FRANCE:

Police: 2 hostages being held in southern France

Latest

http://tersee.com/#!q=Montpellier&t=text

 

latest on Paris here:

http://tersee.com/#!q=paris&t=text

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 14:51 | 5642779 One And Only
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Score another one for the religion of peace and eat your multiculturalism.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 17:05 | 5643451 I-am-not-one-of-them
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multiculturalism is being gamed for Imperialist pretext

figuring that out when you're hooked on state propaganda ain't that obvious

some would rather hate anyone and everyone they are told to hate without an ounce of cognitive reflection

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 15:01 | 5642848 Wahooo
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Time to wake up to news of dead sheiks.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 15:46 | 5643081 Who was that ma...
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More blood on Obama's hands.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 15:48 | 5643091 Infinite QE
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So now what will come of it:

1. France will support sanctions against Putin. Lesson learned.

2. Michael Chertof (Of the Devil) will gain exclusive new contracts for security services in France.

3. Israel will get an extra $10bn US aid stipend, well, just because.

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 16:07 | 5643185 Free_french
Fri, 01/09/2015 - 17:55 | 5643211 Prober
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Just one observation from a guy with intelligence, security & military expertise:

Fortunate for westerners that the islamic cult worshipers are low intelligence because that number of terrorists with AK's could have done far, far, far greater damage in lives, property, economy, terror, etc for a much longer period of time if they had some smarts and knew how to plan and execute.

Just one simple example, they could have attacked in preplanned timed succession in different areas of the city, and then escaped quickly to the next site or a preplanned safe holdout, so as to force the police/military to have to deploy everywhere and shut down the entire city, and creating mass panic that there are potential terrorists everywhere ready to attack.

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 16:24 | 5643256 boodles
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I'm neither French nor have I lived in France, but I am a historian, and as such, I'm not so sure the French won't retaliate against Algerians/Muslims.  Remember the so-called "massacre" of October 1961 during which the french police herded Algerians into a big stadium and killed a dozen or so by throwing them into the river Seine. 

Many, many more Algerians killed each other than killed by frenchmen -- at least 10:1 -- but this doesn't negate the willingness of the french to kill their enemies.

On the other hand, the example of Pope Pius 2, who tried to rally the Europeans to fight against the Muslims, called for an army to push them out, and ended up alone, on a beach near Venice -- no one showed!  So, the Italians, at least, were unwilling to acknowledge the danger posed by Muslim expansionism.

So, it could go either way.  I'm betting on the French deciding, in Le Pen's words, that France is for the French, and getting rid of the Algerians et. al. one way or another.

 

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 16:35 | 5643309 Free_french
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"killed a dozen or so by throwing them into the river Seine. "

 

Not exactly They were call in the reports ""NPB " drowned with lead... They were full of lead before the swimming... And they were more than a dozen...

   
Fri, 01/09/2015 - 17:50 | 5643613 Ginsengbull
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Many algerians became french through the foreign legion.

 

Even if they could rescind their french citizenship, which they earned, they would still kiss that way.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 16:56 | 5643285 vincenze
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The French aircraft carrier "Charles De Gaulle" will head to the Persian Gulf. http://theaviationist.com/2015/01/08/de-gaulle-joins-isis-war/

Was the killing of the caricaturists orchestrated to create a pretext for a French invasion in Syria?

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 17:37 | 5643573 Herd Redirectio...
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France, Syria, Sykes-Picot... Hell, you can go back to the Crusades.  The 'Franks' have been interested in Syria for a long time.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 16:36 | 5643320 Monty Burns
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"Additionally, and take this with a grain of salt, CNN adds that the female suspect in the Paris grocery siege escapes"

What? You're not suggesting - you cannot be - that CNN could get its story wrong?

Shurely shome mishtake?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 16:39 | 5643338 Free_french
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According to our news and the "ministère de l'intérieur" was present when they announced it so... She is under arrest.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 16:37 | 5643321 Fix It Again Timmy
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George W. Bush said, "Bring 'em on!"  And here they come....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKdbZWNqF00

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 18:14 | 5643707 Totin
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Who'd a thunk a comment from Bush 9 years ago was to blame for this tradgedy. Incredible.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 16:38 | 5643336 Rusputin
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According to an increasing number of online sources: this is all staged!

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 16:43 | 5643356 Ewtman
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Endogenous social mood drives these kinds of reaction from the extremists in society. Social mood is quite negative right now and getting more so. It will eventually affect everyone and drive wedges between the authorities and ordinary civilians. Today we are seeing just the disenfranchised complain, but soon there will be so many disenfranchised the common man will be protesting along side the extremists.

 

http://www.globaldeflationnews.com/science-is-revealing-the-mechanism-of...

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 16:46 | 5643361 marcusfenix
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what i really want to know is...did they use the tank?

can't believe they brought an actual main battle tank to the party.

funny ol` world isn't it?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 16:48 | 5643375 silverer
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The only way to keep the French population safe is to seize all their bank accounts. Really.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 16:59 | 5643419 Free_french
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In this case I will move my ass to find a gun... Here we say you may grab my ass but don't grab my money

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC7VJu8qffk

 

"Don't touch the bucks, bitch"

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 16:59 | 5643425 silverer
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Just remember, France is good at building walls, but not so good at staying on the right side of them.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 16:48 | 5643381 Inthemix96
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When everything you have ever known, when everything you have ever believed in. when everything you were ever taught, when everything your own mother and father taught you was a lie, including the shit your own teachers at school told was utter falsification, why believe this?

None of this rings true to me, how about you?

Cunts

:-)

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 16:51 | 5643390 Counterpunch
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Amidst A Religious War in Europe Or Is It Just another False Flag Operation?

French people should be asking what led members of their society to commit such cold blood murders against their fellow citizens.

France should ask itself why it has been dropping bombs on Muslims. Who enthusiastically advocated these ‘interventionist’ wars? What was the role of Bernard-Henri Lévy, the prime advocate of the war against Libya for instance?

What was all this French fuss about the burka? Who led this war on Muslims at the heart of Europe? Was it really in the name of tolerance?

Freedom and laughter are precious indeed, but isn’t it the French ‘socialist’ government that has been harassing and banning the best and most successful comedian in France, Dieudonné M'bala M'bala, because he satirized the Holocaust religion? Who pushed the French government to take such harsh actions against an artist; wasn’t it the Jewish lobby group CRIF?

 

Alan Soral about the french AIPAC called CRIF
Fri, 01/09/2015 - 18:02 | 5643651 zeroderivatives
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Yeah, it has nothing to do with the fact that Islam is a throwback religion. 

French people just need to give up their culture, accept the Islamization of their country, and adopt Islam--and voila no more problems! 

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 17:40 | 5643581 Herd Redirectio...
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Feature the work of Michaelangelo, Charlie Hebdo did not.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 17:16 | 5643500 Bokkenrijder
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Video of the supermarket terrorist dying in a hail of bullets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hISqLRi2w28

Interview with the supermarket terrorist and one of the Charlie HebDo terrorists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kp4NLoQYjI

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 17:30 | 5643550 First There Is ...
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You mean an interview with a French Mossad CIA Zionist NWO actor, er, agent, don't you? 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 17:56 | 5643632 GIABO
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Well the new DEPUTY HEAD OF THE CIA has been named and he is DAVID COHEN.... Get ready for more of these false flags people... USRAEL

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:20 | 5644194 JR
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The rest of today's AP story on this Zionist-run Administration, the Cohen appointment…

He's currently the Treasury Department's undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence. He's been the architect of the Obama administration's economic sanctions against Russia, Iran and North Korea.

Cohen worked previously as an attorney handling white-collar criminal defense, civil litigation and money laundering cases.

He'll replace outgoing CIA Deputy Director Avril Haines. Obama has named Haines as his deputy national security adviser in the White House. (Haines was once the hostess of erotic literature readings at a Baltimore bookstore she co-owned called Adrians's Book Cafe. “It was there, in a candle-lit room on the second story, that Haines held monthly readings of erotic literature to a crowd of people 'trying to have sex without having sex' - in her own words - according to a 1995 Baltimore Sun article.”)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2341008/Avril-Haines-President-Obamas-pick-CIAs-second-command-held-erotica-nights-Baltimore-bookstore.html#ixzz3ONAy1zwC
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Director of National Intelligence James Clapper says Cohen will bring dedication, intellect and leadership to the CIA.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 18:21 | 5643682 DaveA
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I don't care if the CIA and the Mossad trained these guys from birth and paid them to carry out false flag attacks in the name of Allah. This madness will end when enough Mohammedans are deported or killed. How many is "enough"? Let say "all of them" and negotiate down from there.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 18:38 | 5643807 Sub MOA
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Don't forget to send their jew masters and other related puppets with them

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 18:50 | 5643851 DaveA
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You'll be amazed how quickly the intelligentsia all proclaim not only that they are national socialists, but that they've always been national socialists! As Lenin said, they think they're the brains of the nation when in fact they are its shit.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 18:07 | 5643688 Duc888
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Interesting...

"Ridiculous false flag"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SabJpAIo9rs

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:04 | 5644132 JR
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Andy Christensen · Top Commenter Veteran’s Today

If Israel was responsible of 9/11 and we can see how they behave with impunity, and when their backs are pushed up against the wall, look out for a false flag that will make 9/11 look like a fire cracker. Take note if all the Jews leave town suddenly for a 'vacation" or doctor's appointment.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/08/charlie-hebdo-viral/

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 18:20 | 5643731 esum
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islamic jihadis die in a kosher deli...... NOW THAT'S A CARTOON 

the media plays these guys up as "well trained" "experienced" "professional" as if they are admirable...

professionals are those like the group that suffocated the hamas leader in a dubai hotel room.... 

looks more to me like the jihadis were assclowns who were failures in life, reaching out in desperation to justify their lives and wishing to commit suicide by cop... the life failure, ignorant uneducated is the lifeblood of islamic terrorisn... reach out to the disgruntled urinal cleaners, unemployed and unemployable parasites useless fucks and easily brainwash their peanut brains with hate... 

tell me how arafat left 8 billion to his heirs.... because the leaders are frauds who manipulate the ignorant ape-brow dupes... bin laden lived in a fortress villa protected by the isi... the big boys take pretty good care of themselves... in bin ladens case KSM waterboarding led to his demise.....  

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 18:30 | 5643762 European American
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Seems as though the Parasite Zionists are working overtime tomorrow morning (In Tel Aviv), here on this specific ZH thread, i.e. thumbs down when anyone mentions...false flag...Zionists...Mossad.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 18:30 | 5643776 Son of Captain Nemo
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Like Sandy Hook and the Boston Marathon...

Well worth many looks under the hood with repeated kicks to the tires!

In used car salesman parlance... This car definitely don't drive!

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 18:31 | 5643777 lesterbegood
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Fri, 01/09/2015 - 18:36 | 5643796 falak pema
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As an epitaph to this episode-- which will continue all over Europe as this fight is not over -- I would just like to say :

"Je suis Charlie" is not a fight against Islam; its a fight between Secularim and OBSCURANTISM.

That's what Charlie stood for : against all forms of obscurantist totalitarian systems.

Not against Islam anymore than against Christianity when it plagiarised the Pope; always against dogma and obscurantist intervention in politics. 

And this is a fight that is just beginning in its current form against muslim Jihadism, now gone virulent. 

The tragedy is that Pax Americana exploited obscurantist trends in moslem states--just like Pax Britannica before it in ME-- to create its alliances around the Oil patch in Post Ottoman days.

It spawned the Saud-US alliance which has made wahhabist/salafist obscurantism a bed fellow of US oil policy.

Whence the Gordian knot which now has to be cut. 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 19:55 | 5643948 Fuku Ben
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And the fact that the "woman that got away" ie satan, and of course who could only be accurately portrayed as having red hair and be a woman, will be missed by anyone that believes one ion of truth of the faux French fatale fiasco as presented to you by the five eyes fraudsters and their Phoenician* overlords *(See previous post images)

For those of you that are falling for the Joker's bullshit (And by that I mean the excrement that flows from Moloch and his disciples) please riddle me this

Why is this woman with Red hair at the candlelight vigil the same one that is the suspect that has mysteriously escaped?

If you're unable to answer this please reconsider your spiritual or religious understanding or lack thereof in satan's realm. And consider reading the Bib-el. Even if you are 100% an unbeliever

http://www.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/2/k/d/j/3/image.gallery.gall...

http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/paris-supermarket-si...

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:09 | 5644162 besnook
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let's seeeeeeee. france supports palestinian statehood and muslims want to blow up its good citizens including a jewish deli for good measure(that is almost surreal. do their focus groups say this stuff still works?).

if it is real, if they are jihadists, then why is everyone surprised? i have trouble with the level of empathy here. it is pretty simple for you ample chested americans. if someone bombed the shit out of your home and the home of friends and other people you know would you figure out a way to retaliate? or burn up your neighborhood in protest?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 22:06 | 5644539 frankly scarlet
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France has always had this independent streak, Strauss Kahn telling the western elites their economic policies are unhinged in the CFR head quarters and now Hollande anouncing sanctions against Russia must end...that was a big one just this last Monday and one right in the face of the Imperium's implicit directives. Two days later that little out burst is off the grid as those that exercise power did. Just like after MH17, perhaps the frame and blame game wasn't as successful as hoped for but the room sure went quiet with the demostration of cold unforgiving power. Here's  Dr.Webster Tarpley's take on things imperial...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWnlo-YhfRQ

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 22:30 | 5644604 thegr8whorebabylon
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http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/economist-2015-cover-filled-cr... to whoever posted that ^^^, thanks! Here's another Economist cover from 1988... giving us a timeline at last. http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/economist/1678-7.jpg

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 12:09 | 5645651 DonGenaro
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"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"

Voltaire

http://iroots.org/2015/01/08/charlie-hedbo-fired-writer-for-anti-semitic-in-2009/
Charlie Hebdo fired writer for ‘anti-semitic’ joke in 2009

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