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The Prison State Of America: More Jails Than Colleges

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As we recently noted, The Prison State of America is alive and well as our prison-industrial complex, which holds 2.3 million prisoners, or 25 percent of the world’s prison population, makes money by keeping prisons full. While the statistics are mind-boggling, we thought it particularly ironic that on the day when President Obama officially launched his "free community-college for all" plan, that we point out there are more jails than colleges in America... and here's where they live...

 

As The Washington Post shows,

It's often been remarked that our national incarceration rate of 707 adults per every 100,000 residents is the highest in the world, by a huge margin.

 

We tend to focus less on where we're putting all those people. But the 2010 Census tallied the location of every adult and juvenile prisoner in the United States. If we were to put them all on a map, this is what they would look like:

 

 

To put these figures in context, we have slightly more jails and prisons in the U.S. -- 5,000 plus -- than we do degree-granting colleges and universities. In many parts of America, particularly the South, there are more people living in prisons than on college campuses.

 

 

As you can see in the map, states differ in the extent to which they spread their correctional populations out geographically. Florida, Arizona and California stand out as states with sizeable corrections populations in just about every county.

As Chris Hedges concluded previously,

The rise of what Marie Gottschalk, the author of “Caught: The Prison State and the Lockdown of American Politics,” calls “the carceral state” is ominous. It will not be reformed through elections or by appealing to political elites or the courts. Prisons are not, finally, about race, although poor people of color suffer the most. They are not even about being poor. They are prototypes for the future. They are emblematic of the disempowerment and exploitation that corporations seek to inflict on all workers. If corporate power continues to disembowel the country, if it is not impeded by mass protests and revolt, life outside prison will soon resemble life in prison.

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Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:34 | 5644242 surf0766
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Good there are many crooks and thugs

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:46 | 5644307 Skateboarder
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BTW as an interesting datapoint, I recently saw on California highways during the holidays, "buzzed driving is drunk driving." I foresee zero-tolerance rules by 2020. As of 2015, first-offenders are required to get the in-car breathalyzer in at least three California counties (Alameda being one).

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:51 | 5644320 Sub MOA
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speaking of highways good old vlad is stirring up shit

Sexual disorders listed as contradictions to driving in Russia

http://rt.com/news/221235-russia-driving-ban-transgender/

 

"The decree mentions a number of “disorders of adult personality and behavior” from the International Classification of Diseases and Related Health (ICD-10) to be among the contradictions to driving.

They include such sexual behavior disorders as transsexualism, transvestism, fetishism, voyeurism, sadomasochism, pedophilia, exhibitionism, necrophilia and others.

However, ICD-10 especially stresses that sexual orientation by itself isn’t considered a personality disorder.

“Sexual disorders” may be an obstacle to driving a car if they take "chronic and prolonged” form with “severe or persistent painful symptoms,” the decree said.

Schizophrenia, mood disorders, mental retardation, epilepsy, substance use disorder and visual impairment are also included in the document as contradictions to getting behind the wheel."

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:36 | 5644479 wintermute
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At least they aren't being flogged, 50 lashes a week for 20 weeks... yet...

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 07:08 | 5645238 XqWretch
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USA #1 you cunts!!! If you disagree, you go to prison!

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 09:38 | 5645369 Self-enslavement
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College is for white collar criminals, slavery is for blue collar criminals, prison is for those who can't afford collars.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 18:13 | 5646604 EscapingProgress
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I don't see a problem here. You learn more in prison.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:57 | 5644344 Pool Shark
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"More Jails Than Colleges"

That's a stupid comparison:

Colleges house only those attending higher education between the ages of about 18 and 26; while jails, prisons and penitentiaries have to house ALL THE CRIMINALS IN THE COUNTRY between the ages of 18 and 100.

Not to mention; you don't (yet) need to build colleges to prevent students from escaping...

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:17 | 5644419 FireBrander
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Boehner on Obama's free Community College plan:

""I need to see the details"

 

WTF?

 

Boehner you shithead, your response should be NO FUCKING WAY!

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:26 | 5644447 zeroderivatives
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Most colleges in the U.S. are now more like Marxist indoctrination camps. 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:38 | 5644483 Harbanger
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And prisons in the west have become recruitment/indoctrination centers for radical muzzies.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 14:23 | 5645952 Money Boo Boo
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the NWO needs more excuses to crack down on your freedoms, more radicals means less freedoms for you

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 19:57 | 5646874 Uranus Hertz
Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:44 | 5644492 surf0766
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No fuckn' doubt.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 23:52 | 5644779 Uranus Hertz
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if you include the administration and faculty the head count and degree of criminal tendencies is about the same, Mr. Shark. However the administrators & faculty are far more successful than their inmate counterparts, and far more expensive to John Q.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:59 | 5644357 cherry picker
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When I was young and supporting a family of four I had to go in for an interview to review my driving record.  The civil servant suspended me for 6 months. I explained to him most of my offences were from tten years earlier, but my words fell on deaf ears.   I walked out to the parking lot and drove home.  Six months later I drove back to pick it up.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 08:50 | 5645311 americanreality
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Uhh.. cool story bro.  Anyway,  USA has 25 percent of the world's prison population-  but it's the fault of the citizens, right?.  The community college idea is a good one.  This site gets more right-wing and less logical/rational all the time.  Bastion of self-confident losers.  

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 09:28 | 5645353 Lone_Star
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Wouldn't you rather be hanging around Salon, than trolling this site bro? Or maybe you could find a jam-band and play frisbee golf

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 11:32 | 5645565 all-priced-in
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Why can't people pay for their own community college?

 

 

How can anyone think that this would really be "free"?

 

 

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 15:22 | 5646094 PowerPlayer
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The community college plan is completely dependent on the details.  The idea that every single person should go to college is just stupid.  There is a lot of demnd for jobs in lawn care and restaurant hospitality that just don't need college educations.  However, I do recognize that we are short workers like tool and die workjers that would benefit from community colleges.  

The bottom line is if the community colleges are going to be educating people that will actually be mroe productive, that is great.  If they are just charging tuition to students that will eventually end up working at McDonald's that is stupid.  Also, if you are company that benefits from more tool and die workers, should't you at least be willing to pay for that?  

Just saying more community colleges are great is politically correct, but you have no idea what kind of return on investment they will have until the details are put forth and then it should be done on a small scale to see if it can actually be implemented well before spending $100 billion on it like our government usually does.  

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:13 | 5644397 FireBrander
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State of Iowa is running ads that a DWI (even your first) will cost you a lot:

1. Your license.

2. $1000's in legal fees

3. $1000's in fines and vehicle impoundment

4. Increased insurance cost when you get out.

5. Possibly your job

6. Possibly your women/man/sig'other

7. Prison time.

So, you make a stupid choice and pull a .09 when drunk is .08 and the STATE DESTROYS YOUR LIFE and most likely bankrupts you!

Is that justice? Is that good for society? Destroying a person for a stupid mistake?

What if, instead, you pull that .09 and we give you a ride home...then pick you up, for the next two months on saturday and sunday, and let you spend those days cleaning the restrooms in our highway rest areas?

Wouldn't that be better for society? And less costly?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:37 | 5644481 Greenskeeper_Carl
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They already get you to do that or something similar when you get sentenced to community service as part of your probation, plus they get to collect thousands of your dollars to spend as they see fit(usually to buy things to take even more of your rights and money). So what motivation is there so there to change anything? Most people are perfectly ok with them doing this to others, so don't expect your fellow citizens to push for change either.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 02:09 | 5645041 The9thDoctor
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Wouldn't that be better for society? And less costly?

Again, you are assuming that things are the way they are because these judges, lawyers, courts, legislators, prison industry etc. care about society.

No.  They don't want a better society.

It's racketeering and these aforementioned characters' careers depend on it!

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:45 | 5644493 Clarabell
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Man thing have really changed since I was a kid (early sixties). I basically learned to drink and drive at the same time. Local cops would usually let you go if you weren't too bad. They might even give you a ride home if they knew your parents. The police were looking out for the community. That America is gone forever.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 22:00 | 5644533 Thirtyseven
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I'm going to take the contrarian position to your 7 thumbs up here.

Drunk driving is no different than attempted murder. 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/north-baltimore...

...because shit like this happens.

You might not kill someone your first time driving drunk, or your second, or even your hundredth, but fuck you for thinking it's a responsible thing to do and trying to assert "I can do whatever I want because Libertarian shit even if it robs someone else of their lift" which is hardly Libertarian.

Call a cab.  Call a friend, but fuck you for thinking it's ok to kill someone (because it does happen, often, and with enough frequency it will happen) becuase you think it's your "right" to drive, on roads that my taxes pay for, while you can't fucking see straight.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 22:11 | 5644559 knukles
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Ditto

A good Libertarian understands that his freedoms and actions do not or have the probablility or impinging others freedoms or harming others.
Drunk driving is plain reckless endagnerment and should be penalized exceedingly heavily.

Nobody makes somebody drive drunk

There is no excuse

Maybe this'll get to a few here.
A lot of folks here own guns.  I do not, but I am/was an excellent shot and rather "careful".
If you point a loaded gun at somebody should you always mean to use it?  Do you mean to point it at them even if you might not shoot them?  What if that you might or might not is somewhat dependent upon the addling chemicals you have introduced unto your body?

I didn't think so

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 23:33 | 5644726 loonyleft
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0.09 does not equal licence to kill. If it did, why not 0.08? It's an arbitrary line. 

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 01:08 | 5644936 stacking12321
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well knukles, who gets to decide what is drunk driving?

if one person is barely over the govt-mandated limit, but drives carefully at a low speed, stays in lane, and doesn't harm anyone, it's not a problem.

meanwhile, someone could be a terrible careless driver even when sober, gets into lots of accidents, why shouldn't they be punished?

it's not drunk driving that's a problem, it's reckless driving, and there is no one-rule-fits-all.

 

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 09:32 | 5645357 Lone_Star
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I am 100% against drunk driving, but I am also 100% against the no refusal blood draws that have been instituted throughout Texas.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 07:27 | 5645250 XqWretch
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Comparing DUI to attempted murder? That assumes you actually TRIED to kill someone. Ditch this bullshit post.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 05:04 | 5645160 Zero Point
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That might inconvenience the rich, who simply get driven around if they lose their license.

No. Better that people lose their license and job and house and family etc.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 08:55 | 5645313 americanreality
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Don't drive drunk.  How hard is that?  If it's tough for you then get some help. Not able to put down the booze for 1 night?  Very impressive.  Learn some self control, pigs. 

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 14:02 | 5645908 Pie rre
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State run ads on local TV in Seattle suggest that the overall cost of a DUI is 10,000 dollars.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 15:25 | 5646098 PowerPlayer
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I'm sorry, but more than 10,000 people die a year at the hands of drunk drivers.  That dumb guy that wants to drive with a .09 can kill someone's 5 year old kid just as easily as get arrested.  

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 01:20 | 5647595 MontgomeryScott
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WHO told you your 'statistic'?

3,000 people were murdered in the 'events' of 9/11, in the course of one day. Was it the work of 19 'drunken' pilots? Well, if you count Mohhamed Atta, who lived with a pink-haired stripper and liked to do cocaine at bars...

That old woman who can't see, and hits the accelerator instead of the brake, and plows into a field where a bunch of children are playing (and runs them all over) is as much of a danger as the roided-out cop who shoots and blatantly murders a woman who is trying to calm her dog down.

IN FACT, according to several municipalities in 'your CONUS', it is extremely dangerous to allow unlicensed SLEDDING in CITY PARKS by CHILDREN.

ALCOHOL, of course, was a 'MITIGATING FACTOR' in all these 'deaths' (or, rather, INFRACTIONS). SURE. 'S TRUTH.

MORE THAN 100 MILLION PEOPLE DIE EACH YEAR DUE TO 'OLD AGE'. I'm sorry, but anyone over the' point 90-year-age' should be immediately TERMINATED!

Fur the chillens...

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:11 | 5644405 Consuelo
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Saw that one too myself Gandalf, and my first reaction was to stick an arm out the window in a fit of defiance, and give the high hard-one...   Control Freakism never rests.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:19 | 5644424 surf0766
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I don't drink and drive or buzz and drive but it you do in Kalifornia then  sorry. Bad habit

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 08:57 | 5645319 americanreality
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Its much easier to whine about the government than it is to practice a little self-control and personal resonsibility.  

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 01:37 | 5647628 MontgomeryScott
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"personal resonsibility"

When I lived in California (before it became Kalifornia), I used to practice 'personal RESPonsibility' when partaking in the free and guaranteed inalienable right and priveledge of moving from one place to another (as outlined in the Constitution For The United States).

Quinn Martin was a real motherfucker, I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnhj7z_EdUs

 

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 05:15 | 5645167 STP
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I saw those signs too, along with the NHTSA TV commercials of the cops hiding behind every wall, bush and tree, waiting to pounce on the drunk driver.  I was reviewing the Comprehensive State Financial Report for the State of California and towards the back, they had a comprehensive ten year breakdown, through 2013.  It went from like 94k down to 31k!  So I guess it's working.  That's because they put you through the friggin wringer for this now.

My little bro, lives in Santa Clarita, an affluent burb, north of LA and man, the LA County Sheriff and the CHP milk the citizens for all they've got.  One of the biggest intersections has a red light camera system that looks like it came off the Hubble Telescope.  There's checkpoints all the time, screening hundreds of cars and catching a few unfortunates.  One Saturday newspaper article had a picture of a 64 year old, 90 pound granny, who happened to have two glasses of wine at a cancer raising event.  They had a picture of her in handcuffs, crying.  It's just gone far...

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 10:28 | 5645447 debtandtaxes
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"One Saturday newspaper article had a picture of a 64 year old, 90 pound granny, who happened to have two glasses of wine at a cancer raising event.  They had a picture of her in handcuffs, crying.  It's just gone far..."

Until the average soccer mom in North America has a friend or family member mistreated or over-charged by police or quasi-police (Children's "Aid" societies, municipal code enforcement staff, IRS) nothing will change. Ignorance is bliss...

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:48 | 5644312 The Alarmist
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So how about structuring the prison-education complex by making them degree-issuing institutions?  And as a inmate ... err, client moves along through the system, the credentials will bolster their ability to increase the slave wages they earn at various prison-industrial complex jobs they hold.  This is much cheaper than building a great wall around the power to keep the serfs in.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:02 | 5644365 Pool Shark
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"So how about structuring the prison-education complex by making them degree-issuing institutions?"

Actually, they already do.

I have a friend who teaches aeronautics in a California prison. Upon completing his course, inmates can obtain their certificates to become A&P mechanics. Pretty decent-paying profession...

 

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:06 | 5644383 The Alarmist
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So when AQ wants to rig airliners to fail in flight, they have an easy in with recent prison converts?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:23 | 5644437 Pool Shark
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The Airline Mechanic's Moto:

"We live and learn,...they crash and burn."

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:22 | 5644440 Bullionaire
Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:44 | 5644488 813kml
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Interesting read, Whole Paycheck is a classic example of good idea gone corporate.

If the inmates get an hour of rec time each day can they be classified as "free range"?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:35 | 5644244 WayBehind
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So jail is the new college?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:39 | 5644264 SickDollar
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nope  it means

jail business is better than a college "business"

 

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:48 | 5644309 Equality 7-25-1
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It means you don't have to travel far to seriously revenge yourself against your oppressor.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:39 | 5644273 Skateboarder
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It used to be that you didn't have to go to skool at all.
Then it used to be that you needed to go to skool, but not necessarily college.
Then it used to be that you needed to go to college, but not necessarily jail.
Then it used to be that you needed to go to jail, but not necessarily to your death.
Then it used to be that ...

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:35 | 5644250 Hamm Jamm
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If they were interested in JUSTICE, the would turn all BANKS INTO JAILS  !!!!   

Ofcourse filled with BANKERS !

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:20 | 5644430 surf0766
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And progresive communists

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:37 | 5644253 HardAssets
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What a f-ckin' country

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:39 | 5644254 QQQBall
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So now college is free, but you have to pay for jail?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:07 | 5644385 Tall Tom
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I think that under the new ObommyMommy Plan the First two years of your Prison sentence is also free.

 

After all it has been almost totally transformed from the Welfare/Workfare/Warfare State into the Custodial State.

 

This PLAN was published in "The Bell Curve" by Herrnstein and Murray out of Harvard back in the 1990s. It was an ACTUAL PUBLISHED PLAN.

 

Really??? You are shocked?

 

You must know that those black folks have One Standard Deviation, on average, lower IQs than White Folk and Asians. Why Murray and Herrnstien reported that. Those Ivory Tower folk don't lie, right?

 

So those poor disadvantaged folk need Government to step in and...take care of them, right?

 

Now where were the protests in the 1990s?

 

You will not see many protests on ZH today with the Stormfront presence. In fact you will read cheerleading.

 

Well they have got what they wanted. Now they whine because they are going to have to pay for it...It will come out of their pocketbook.

 

Isn't playing the racism card fun?

 

Welcome to the Custodial State. How do you like your Police State? Just whom are the custodians? The Police?

 

I am just sitting here enjoying my open air prison. How is your part of the open air prison doing?

 

Now go ahead and downarrow this. IT WILL NOT DO ONE BIT TO CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THE DISMAL REALITY.

 

Let me have some more great laughs at some MOAR ignorant myopia.

 

LMAO.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 10:33 | 5645453 FredFlintstone
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My understanding is that Herrnstein and Murray state in the Bell Curve that the custodial state is not a happy solution and is to be avoided at all costs and that it is akin to an indian reservation. They mention that we would eventually arrive at this state due to the declining social and economic status of an underclass that keeps breeding with itself. I read the Bell Curve but not Murray's subsequent work, which I believe put out the idea of handing all adults $10,000/yr.

The Bell Curve did create backlash, not about a custodial state, but about racism. I had to get rid of the book when a Nigerian doctor and his family moved in down the street and our children became good friends.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:37 | 5644259 saints51
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More profit for corporations in prisons than universities. Ask yourself this question. Who has more lobbyists - prisons or universities?

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:41 | 5644278 seek
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There's more than a slight correlation between areas with a high amount of illegal immigration and a high amount of prisoners.

If it were me, I'd say maybe there's a payoff in putting some of that prison money to border enforcement, but I guess that would put police, prison guards, and private prision companies out of work, and cut off a source of future democratic voters.

It just gets bleaker every day. This country is fucked. There might be some hope if there's a reset, but I'm afraid they're just waiting for that to roll out something worse.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:44 | 5644290 MarkGoldman
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A ready source of recruits for the revolution, they say it only takes a 1% participation rate to tip the scale...well here they are!

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:48 | 5644504 813kml
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The Dirty Dozens!

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:46 | 5644295 Equality 7-25-1
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Manadatory school is jail. All school is mandatory for the 99% because if you don''t have your KPTs & obedience pedigrees you're out. Prison is a jail in a gaol colony. Thats no government. Those are guards. You just try to leave.

The protectionists don't want the children to work because they can't compete with them. The immigrants are all massively State subsidized, fools. Pay the vig or else, bichez

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:46 | 5644303 cherry picker
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A father throws his 5 year old daughter from a 60 foot bridge.

That deserves time

How many go to jail for something that doesn't require jail and comes out, pissed and looking at life a whole lot differently and society looks at him or her as con.

It is a never ending revovling door.

I think there was something in the Constitution about punishment fitting the crime.  If I choose to snort coke, inject heroin, smoke weed or cigarettes or drink booze, why should that be anyone's concern as long as I don't hurt another except myself.

Why should a person serve time for that?

Most laws and their punishments should just be repealed in the USA.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:57 | 5644347 cynicalskeptic
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The whole point is to have enough laws covering enough issues that EVERYBODY is guilty of SOMETHING at some point.   Provides justification for arrestign everybody - if the need arises.  One more sign of a totalitarian regime.

Selective enforcement - aimed at the 'problem' citizens is another sign.

 

Of course those in the ruling class are exempt from the rule of law.  I expect you're not allowed to even run for higher office UNLESS there are skeletons stacked like cordwood in your closet.  Gives tehm somethign to hold over you and insure you do as told.  One of the reasons for unimited surveillance.  Notice how Congress voted for - and continues to renew - all those clearly unconstitutional programs?   You had LOTS of Congress types screaming about rights and all - a bunch of them Republicans - when Bush pushed through the Patriot Act (another sign - super nationalistic ans 'protective' names for horrendous policies and agencies)  Yet no matter how strident the screaming - they voted FOR everything.  Know somoene's skeletons and you control them.  

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:04 | 5644379 cherry picker
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It is not acceptable being a human being.  There isn't anyone I know who is a 'perfect' citizen or person.

A long time ago I considered running for office and realized, my skeltons which were always in plain view, would sink my chances as most people will always refer to some one by what they did.  For example if you end up in jail one night in your life for being drunk, 50 years later they will still view you with suspicion.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:10 | 5644402 Sub MOA
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Last time I checked 70,000 + laws on the books whats one or 2 hundred more YOU"RE already a criminal just not tagged yet tick tock

Is estimated that every "citizen" of the ussa "breaks" atleast 3 "laws" everyday

 

Smile Bitchez we're all "criminals"

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:15 | 5644411 UselessEater
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yeah, but the whole point is to have everyone in love with convenience technology, with little comprehension about the the permanent implications because the laws are so complex and the entwining of both is really beyond imagination for most.

plus no one talks about the health risks....apparently it is perfectly safe for the ovaries of your daughters to float in emf smog- we did not know this a few years ago.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 09:09 | 5645333 dlrs
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right on spot, man

"selective" law enforcement is worse than no law enforcement at all, because then it is up to the masters to pick and choose ("prioritize") who is going down and who is getting a free pass tonight

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:04 | 5644369 MrButtoMcFarty
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"A father throws his 5 year old daughter from a 60 foot bridge.

That deserves time."

 

No. That deserves getting tossed off the same bridge after her.

Problem solved.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 06:32 | 5645209 Kobe Beef
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Amen. Lets say killer dad gets 30 years. At $40,000 a year, taxpayers get to fork out over a million to keep this asshole alive. Is he worth it? I don't think so. How much is a 9mm round these days?

But, to the prison corp., that's a million in its pocket. Like everything else in the USSA, wherever a taxpayer is bleeding, there's a parasite racket feeding. 

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 14:32 | 5645973 Pie rre
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The usual argument for keeping them locked up for 30 years instead of execution is that with all of the legal wrangling required for execution it actually costs more. i don't know how that can be but that's what I read.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 09:33 | 5645361 Refuse-Resist
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We should ban throwing kids off of bridges...

If it was illegal, she'd be alive right now.

If it only saves on chid...

 

/sarc

 

 

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 15:51 | 5646180 trulz4lulz
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youre doing it wrong, we need to ban bridges. that would have saved her life.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:47 | 5644311 reTARD
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And this is why we "need" government, right? ;-) Jails and schools.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:53 | 5644324 bunnyswanson
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We "need" a government to run the infrastructure.  We have an infrastructure in place to maintain a civilized society.  In a civilized society, the weakest amongst us do not become prey to predators.

 

What we need is for the US citizens to realize they are on the road to slavery due to tax burden and the obvious overthrow of the US government by global elitists who are eliminating the middle class across the globe and sending them into homelessness, and then on to a FEMA camp where they will be processed by the data collected by the NSA.

 

We we need is the US military to realize the enemy is within.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:55 | 5644337 cherry picker
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Unfortunately the enemy signs the military paychecks

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:04 | 5644376 Sub MOA
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the military has become the new "job" for the dregs of society, do you really think they are gonna help...LOL  there are more drug users and gang members in the Mil along with low IQ sub humans than ever ...incase you didn't know there are "waivers" for almost everything now ...not to mention groups like M.O.M (mothers of marines) who have turned basic training into kindergarten for jarheads.  Look it up I'm an old school leatherneck (we all make mistakes LOL )  these new pukes are fucking worthless except as empty headed bullet catchers Hang out around a recruiter for a few hours and watch the morons they are attracting...military LMAO

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:07 | 5644384 HardAssets
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"We need the US military to realize the enemy is within."

Unfortunately, the military tends to attract lots of 'action' types. Plenty of heart, a naive and unexamined patriotism, and absolutely no understanding of finance & economics. Lots of jock types who are at a huge disadvantage when dealing with banksters and their lawyers, politicians & propagandists.

(I'm from a military family and have also served.)

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:19 | 5644425 Sub MOA
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We who "served" 30 years or more ago before the new "normal" were "patriotic" and yes duped as well,  the last 12 years have seen that any "thinking" military soldiers or leaders have been "weeded" out.  The veterans that returned from these "wars" are a threat and treated as such for 2 reasons either they saw the truth behind the lies or they are fucking timebombs due to their "lifestyle" ie. gang members drug users psychopath/sociopaths.  I've met both neither is "pretty"

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:18 | 5644418 Tall Tom
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We "need" a government to run the infrastructure.  We have an infrastructure in place to maintain a civilized society.  In a civilized society, the weakest amongst us do not become prey to predators.

 

...on to a FEMA camp where they will be processed by the data collected by the NSA.

 

We we need is the US military to realize the enemy is within.

 

 

I do not need a Government. I especially do not need a Military Government.

 

The NSA IS  MILITARY INTEL They are the enemy.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:19 | 5644423 Consuelo
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We 'need' a government to do what it was orginally intended to do and whose primary function was to ensure and protect the Rights - both naturally endowed and codified, of its citizenry.   Nothing more.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:20 | 5644429 overmedicatedun...
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It's just business nothing personal:

"An unprecedented case of judicial corruption is unfolding in Pennsylvania. Several hundred families have filed a class-action lawsuit against two former judges who have pleaded guilty to taking bribes in return for placing youths in privately owned jails. Judges Mark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan are said to have received $2.6 million for ensuring juvenile suspects were jailed in prisons operated by the companies PA Child Care and a sister company, Western PA Child Care. Some of the youths were jailed over the objections of their probation officers. An estimated 5,000 juveniles have been sentenced by Ciavarella since the scheme started in 2002. "

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 09:53 | 5645390 FredFlintstone
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Death penalty? How many lives has he destroyed? Assume many should have gone to juvy, but if 10% to 20% didn't?

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 15:36 | 5646129 quadcap
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This is getting perilously close to the state's dirty secret.  We don't actually "need" them at all.  Once people figure this out, the game is truly over.

"Infrastructure" is the last refuge of the statist -- "you need the government to protect you from the criminals", but there's plenty of evidence that the government isn't doing this, and couldn't, even if they tried.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 20:52 | 5644319 Living The Dream
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Law abiding citizens are not good for business.  (Gov't business)

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:03 | 5644367 Frank N. Beans
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And thats not including the re-education camps.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 09:42 | 5645376 Self-enslavement
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Hitler tried to re educate them but they couldn't learn. So the went back to stealing. See the Federal Reserve, Wall st, Silicon Valley shell companies, the Military Industrial Complex, Corporations, etc...

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:31 | 5644465 PrayingMantis
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... "More Jails Than Colleges" ...

 

... could it be because you'd learn more in jail? ...

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 21:36 | 5644477 JuliaS
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So that's what Obama meant by 2 free years at a community college.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 22:06 | 5644543 DaveA
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In the old days, families and churches taught people to resist their baser urges, state hospitals housed the mentally ill, and segregated housing forced people of each race to keep their own nitwits in check.

Now all these functions are performed by the prison system.

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 22:11 | 5644565 q99x2
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Unlike college at least the minorities will complete their terms in prison.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 09:45 | 5645380 FredFlintstone
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and they don't have to pay back their loans

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 22:19 | 5644584 Psquared
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So if we close some prisons we can send the releasees to Community College. It's cheaper than a year in prison and if they don't finish and maintian a 3.0 they go back to prison and serve their sentence. Everybody wins.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 01:30 | 5644981 Schmuck Raker
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Is it a map of all the crazy f***er states?

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 02:05 | 5645036 Fuku Ben
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Just about all of America should be in an international prison but for committing or passively permitting such perverse crimes against man and the planet

And don't down vote me because I singled out America. You're just the topic of the post, Just about every other nation and globalist leader East & West along with their complicit minions is equally responsible. They're all too busy jockeying for position in their future Utopia and celebrating their perceived satanic triumph of the will and gay games to think they can be stopped. So don't have a pity party and go red. The new slogan and matching green ribbon say Go Green! on Globalists

Although freedom of speech has all but been eliminated here this slogan is a perfect ironic parody. Using their own bull Xcrement against them. If you're a force against the unholy you have my most sincere appreciation and support. For I have neither wit, nor words, nor worth. Action, nor utterance, nor the power of speech; To stir men's blood. I only speak right on. I tell you that which you yourselves do already know

Or in more crass ZH terms -> Wake THE F8CK UP already bitchez!

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 15:41 | 5646142 quadcap
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I've wondered about this.   How culpable are we, the people, for letting these assholes sieze power and conduct mayhem in our names?   Our ignorance, greed, and cowardice has enabled them to commit mass murder, and will permit them to enslave our children in perpetuity.  When do we pass the point where we are guilty for failing to act?

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 02:17 | 5645045 MedicalQuack
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There's a new rehab plan at san quentin anyway, Google instructor teaching prisoners to code.  I'm all fof rehab, but I would think spreadsheets, emails, you know the basics would be a good place to start, not coding.  California sees this as their future IT employees...right...

Some of these folks have been there a long time too...can't afford to get an education and become a data scientist, here's the new answer..

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2014/11/training-prisoners-to-code-at-san.html

If your software is too buggy, three's no getting out early for good behavior there:)

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 03:03 | 5645090 Kprime
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which one has more sex?

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 03:06 | 5645094 Keyboard Kommando
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Alll those "gangsta's" that have not yet been caught and think no one will ever touch them are in for a big surprise. They deserve to be in private prisons working 14 hour days and making 3 cents an hour!

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 07:17 | 5645243 Youri Carma
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Soon people will commit some minor crime just to get into prison because at least they get some food there.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 08:52 | 5647921 didthatreallyhappen
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that already happens.  ask any homeless person what they do in the cold weather months

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 09:02 | 5645325 teslaberry
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as most of zh knows, the american casino gulag is driven by profit and greed. 

 

 

so long as there is profit and greed in caging and serving the underclass (along with the small percentage of folks that need to be caged to stop them from victimizing others) it will continue to be done as usual. when it stops---------we will see the u.s. get a bit more soviet-argentinian-on their ass. 

 

people will start disappearing and be disposed of when there's no money in feeding them in cages. when will that happen? when will tax revenue comprise almost a fraction of the budget relative to monetized issuances? -----we know that in japan it is already 50% of budgets being monetized. how much longer can the prices of rice rise because the money is being used to keep people in cages. 

 

as things get worse, the usual sheep masses will clamor for ever WORSE treatment of human beings, including worse treatment of humans in cages. 

 

it's going to get more ugly from here. not prettier. and knowing the basic truth of the situation will not help. it will only make it more painful to watch. you wanna 'do something about it'?

prepare to spend your life on making a message through violent action. for the rest of us----------the one thing saving us from total despair now is knowing not that things will get better, but knowing to appreciate how good we have it now as we descend into the deeper circles of hell. 

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 09:34 | 5645365 Refuse-Resist
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We incarcerated some folks.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 09:40 | 5645370 Self-enslavement
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College is for white collar criminals, slavery is for blue collar criminals, prison is for those who can't afford collars.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 11:32 | 5645570 jack stephan
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Even though he was an enemy of mine, I had to admit that what he had accomplished was a brilliant piece of strategy. First, he punched me, then he kicked me, then he punched me again.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 12:16 | 5645662 pine_marten
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We are very close to criminalizing dissent.   That marks the end of freedom.  Then you flee or fight or cower like a beaten dog.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 13:41 | 5645840 KingTut
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Just rename them to universities of crime, and the problem's solved.  Courses in lock picking, safe cracking, breaking entering 101, how to convert semiauto into a full machine gun.  How to succeed in gang politics.  Awesome.

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