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The Road To War With Russia
Submitted by Chris Martenson via Peak Prosperity,
For several weeks now the anti-Russian stance in the US press has quieted down. Presumably because the political leadership has moved its attention on to other things, and the media flock has followed suit.
Have you read much about Ukraine and Russia recently?
I thought not, despite the fact that there's plenty of serious action -- both there as well as related activity in the US -- going on that deserves our careful attention.
As I recently wrote, the plunging oil price is a potential catalyst for stock market turmoil and sovereign instability. Venezuela is already circling the drain, and numerous other oil exporters are in deep trouble as they foolishly expanded their national budgets and social programs to match the price of oil; something that is easy to do on the way up and devilishly tricky on the way down.
But consider the impact on Russia. From the Russian point of view, everything from their plunging ruble to bitter sanctions to the falling price of oil are the fault of the US, either directly or indirectly. Whether that is fair or not is irrelevant; that's the view of the Russians right now. So no surprise, it doesn't dispose them towards much in the way of good-will towards the West generally, and the US specifically.
The fall in the price of oil is creating serious difficulties economically and financially for Russia. We'll get to those facets in a minute. But right now, I want to focus on the continued belligerence of the US towards Russia -- some of which is overt and some of which, you can be certain, is covert -- which could very well end up provoking a more kinetic and dangerous response than the West is prepared for.
Russia Forced To Act
Before anyone jumps in to say "Why are you defending Putin? He's a bad man", let me just say that I have been closely analyzing each move by Russia and the West since then President of Ukraine Yanukovych declined to sign the European Association Agreement back in November of 2013.
Based on the preponderance of evidence, its' clear to me that the West/US deserve the lion's share of the blame for the conflict that now rages with Ukraine and between Russia and the western world.
It was the West that supported the unsavory assortment of thugs, neo-Nazis, and ultra-nationalists that seized power in a coup from the democratically-elected Yanukovych. We can argue all we want about whether he was a good boy or not, but that's irrelevant and plays into the hands of those at the US State Department who would like to deflect attention away from the very non-democratic events (shaped behind the scenes by our influence) that led to his overthrow.
The US did the same thing with Saddam, if you recall. It's a simple deflection: away from the actions of the US, and towards the character of the person standing in the line of fire from those actions.
In my view, if Yanukovych had not been violently deposed, Ukraine would be peaceful right now, Russia would not have had to intervene, and there would be no civil war in Ukraine and far reduced tensions between the West and Russia.
So ham-handed were those efforts to intervene in Ukraine on the part of the Obama State department that no less an historically loathsome creature than Henry Kissinger even called the US's actions a 'fatal mistake':
Kissinger warns of West’s ‘fatal mistake’ that may lead to new Cold War
Nov 10, 2014
Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has given a chilling assessment of a new geopolitical situation taking shape amid the Ukrainian crisis, warning of a possible new Cold War and calling the West’s approach to the crisis a “fatal mistake.”
The 91-year-old diplomat characterized the tense relations as exhibiting the danger of “another Cold War.”
“This danger does exist and we can't ignore it,” Kissinger said. He warned that ignoring this danger any further may result in a “tragedy,” he told Germany’s Der Spiegel.
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When even Henry Kissinger thinks you've been too reckless in the application of raw power, you've over done it.
So given the timeline of the events that have led to the frostiest US-Russian relations since the depths of the cold war, I am of the view that Russia has been actually quite restrained and has not over reacted to any of the numerous provocations.
Despite the lull in front page reporting of the Russian situation, there remains a careful program of steady anti-Russian propaganda running through the western press.
It Takes Two To Tango
prop·a·gan·da
?präp???and?/
Noun - derogatory
Information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
For propaganda to work well, there needs to be tight coordination between the State and the press. The role of the press is to first publish the propaganda, and second, to neglect to look into it or report on anything that might call it into question. Sins of omission and commission are both required.
The good news is that the internet is a great equalizing force and we can readily unearth inconvenient facts with a little digging that blunt the propaganda. The bad news is that a lot of people still get all their news from so-called 'official' sources.
At any rate, here's a first-rate piece of unadulterated propaganda courtesy of Bloomberg. Note that it was printed on Dec 31, one of several very quiet news days where little debate is likely to happen:
Inside Obama’s Secret Outreach to Russia
Dec 31, 2014
President Barack Obama's administration has been working behind the scenes for months to forge a new working relationship with Russia, despite the fact that Russian President Vladimir Putin has shown little interest in repairing relations with Washington or halting his aggression in neighboring Ukraine.
In several conversations with Lavrov, Kerry has floated an offer to Russia that would pave the way for a partial release of some of the most onerous economic sanctions. Kerry’s conditions included Russia adhering to September's Minsk agreement and ceasing direct military support for the Ukrainian separatists.
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The tenor of this piece is set. It's the US that is trying to be reasonable, but Russia has shown little interest in repairing relations. That's one assertion.
Another is that Russia has been providing direct military support for the separatists in neighboring Ukraine. And yet another that Putin himself has shown little interest in halting his aggression.
That's the main narrative that the US wants to put forward. Putin is a bad guy. Like Saddam...remember him? The US is the one being reasonable here, according to this piece, and it'is Russia that has been fomenting the troubles.
The US narrative goes further, repeatedly claiming that Russia has been supplying major arms to the separatists, as we see here from early December 2014:
U.S. Says Russia Arms Ukraine Rebels, OSCE Wary on Truce
Dec 2, 2014
North Atlantic Treaty Organization Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg accused Russia of sending tanks, advanced air-defense systems and other heavy weapons across the border to Ukrainian rebels.
Russia denies involvement in the conflict.
“Since the Sept. 5 Minsk cease-fire agreement, Russia has funneled several hundred” tanks, armed personnel carriers, and other military vehicles directly to pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine, Kerry said.
Russian military forces still operate inside eastern Ukraine where they provide “command and control” for the separatists they back, he added.
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The charge from the Secretary General of NATO and from John Kerry of the US State department is that Russia has military forces inside Ukraine, and that they've funneled hundreds of tanks, APCs, and other military vehicles numbering in the hundreds.
As with the MH-17 disaster, we have to call this another case of the dog that did not bark.
Where are the pictures?
The sorts of weaponry being claimed here are impossible to conceal from the air.
Snapping high resolution photos of such things is child's play for today's military satellites, and even civilian ones, too.
Accusing a major world power of action this brash should require at least some demonstration of proof. Especially after the WMD warning fiasco that played out at the UN leading up to the Bush II Iraq invasion. The least you could do is provide a few pictures of said military vehicles and heavy weaponry.
But there are none. And the reason none have been offered is because none exist. If they did, you can be 100% certain they'd be released and replayed over and over again on CNN until everybody and their uncle could distinguish a T-72 tank outline from a Russian made APC.
About Those 'Unwilling' Russians
Let's look more closely at the reasons why Russia may not exactly be in a conciliatory mood towards the US at this moment in time.
With just our short-term memories, we can recall that the US Congress passed a serious piece of anti-Russian resolution last month that can easily be seen as a declaration of war by a reasonable person.
This unfortunate piece of legislation, H.Res. 758, was passed on December 4, 2014 and is titled "Strongly condemning the actions of the Russian Federation, under President Vladimir Putin, which has carried out a policy of aggression against neighboring countries aimed at political and economic domination."
Ron Paul expressed the problems with this resolution very well:
Reckless Congress 'Declares War' on Russia
Dec 4, 2014
These are the kinds of resolutions I have always watched closely in Congress, as what are billed as “harmless” statements of opinion often lead to sanctions and war. I remember in 1998 arguing strongly against the Iraq Liberation Act because, as I said at the time, I knew it would lead to war. I did not oppose the Act because I was an admirer of Saddam Hussein – just as now I am not an admirer of Putin or any foreign political leader – but rather because I knew then that another war against Iraq would not solve the problems and would probably make things worse. We all know what happened next.
That is why I can hardly believe they are getting away with it again, and this time with even higher stakes: provoking a war with Russia that could result in total destruction!
If anyone thinks I am exaggerating about how bad this resolution really is, let me just offer a few examples from the legislation itself:
The resolution (paragraph 3) accuses Russia of an invasion of Ukraine and condemns Russia’s violation of Ukrainian sovereignty. The statement is offered without any proof of such a thing. Surely with our sophisticated satellites that can read a license plate from space we should have video and pictures of this Russian invasion. None have been offered.
As to Russia’s violation of Ukrainian sovereignty, why isn’t it a violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty for the US to participate in the overthrow of that country’s elected government as it did in February? We have all heard the tapes of State Department officials plotting with the US Ambassador in Ukraine to overthrow the government. We heard US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland bragging that the US spent $5 billion on regime change in Ukraine. Why is that OK?
The resolution (paragraph 11) accuses the people in east Ukraine of holding “fraudulent and illegal elections” in November. Why is it that every time elections do not produce the results desired by the US government they are called “illegal” and “fraudulent”? Aren’t the people of eastern Ukraine allowed self-determination? Isn’t that a basic human right?
The resolution (paragraph 13) demands a withdrawal of Russia forces from Ukraine even though the US government has provided no evidence the Russian army was ever in Ukraine. This paragraph also urges the government in Kiev to resume military operations against the eastern regions seeking independence.
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If the tables were turned, and it was the Russian lawmakers passing a resolution condemning the US for a variety of illegal activities for which exactly zero proof was offered, I think we all know just how ablaze with indignity the US political leadership would be.
Think of this from Russia's perspective. They know perfectly well all of the things the Honorable Ron Paul speaks of are true. There was an illegal coup followed by legal elections. The US recognizes the former as legitimate but the latter as illegal, and then speaks loudly about the importance of spreading democracy.
Worse, the US keeps mandating that a key condition of lifting its anti-Russian sanctions is for Russia to leave Ukraine militarily and to stop shipping lots of heavy armaments there. But it has, as of today, provided exactly zero pieces of hard evidence to support those accusations.
As bad as this legislation was, the US Senate upped the ante just one week later on Dec 11, 2014 with Act, S.2828 The Ukraine Freedom Support Act of 2014:
US-NATO Delivering Arms to Ukraine. The Planning of Aggression against Russia
Dec 15, 2014
The Ukraine Freedom Support Act (UFSA) of 2014 authorizes lethal and non-lethal aid. Besides what’s already being supplied.
Including communications equipment. Body armor. Night vision goggles. Humvees. Radar. Counter-mortar detection units. Binoculars. Small boats. Various other gear.
Sniper and assault rifles. Hand grenade launchers. Mortars and shells. Stingers. Anti-tank missiles. What’s known may be the tip of the iceberg.
UFSA legislation “authoriz(ing) (Obama) to provide defense articles, defense services, and training to the Government of Ukraine for the purpose of countering offensive weapons and reestablishing the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine…”
“(I)ncluding anti-tank and anti-armor weapons, crew weapons and ammunition, counter-artillery radars to identify and target artillery batteries, fire control, range finder, and optical and guidance and control equipment, tactical troop-operated surveillance drones, and secure command and communications equipment.”
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After chiding Russia for supplying military aid, for which the US has provided no solid evidence in support of that claim, the US has passed an Act designed to funnel all sorts of military aid to the ruling powers in Kiev.
This could just as easily have been labeled the "Do As We Say, Not As We Do" Act. For some reason, the Russians are not too impressed with that approach.
Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said in response:
“Both houses of the US Congress have approved the Ukraine Freedom Support Act bypassing debates and proper voting. The overtly confrontational message of the new law cannot but evoke profound regret.”
“Once again Washington is leveling baseless sweeping accusations against Russia and threatening more sanctions. At the same time it is muddling together the Ukrainian and Syrian conflicts, which the United States has been instrumental in inflating. It even refers to the INF Treaty although American compliance with it is questionable, to put it mildly.
At the same time, it promises to Kiev to arm its military operation in Donbass and openly admits that it intends to use NGOs for an impact on Russia’s domestic processes.”
“Though it appears that major challenges to international security demand pooled Russian and American efforts, US legislators follow President Obama’s administration destroying the very foundation of partnership. Bilateral relations are being torpedoed no less powerfully than by the notorious Jackson-Vanik amendment, endorsed in 1974 to obstruct cooperation for several decades. We cannot but conclude that, blinded by outdated phobias, the United States is anxious to reverse time. As the US Congress instigates anti-Russian sanctions, it should part with the illusion of their effect. Russia will not be intimidated into giving up its interests and tolerating interference in its internal affairs.”
(Source)
The really bizarre part of this story is that I cannot yet find any credible analysis or commentary explaining exactly what the US's compelling interests are in Ukraine, nor what the end goal might be. It's all something of a mystery, compounded substantially by the fact that Russia can be a very powerful ally or enemy to have. Why not choose ally? Why choose enemy?
On the flip side, we have lots of compelling evidence that the US has a serious plan in place to weaken and destabilize Russia. The tactics we're using would certainly be considered acts of war by the US were the circumstances reversed.
As one Russian observer put it:
Both US Assistant-Secretary of State Victoria Nuland — the wife of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) co-founder and neo-conservative advocate for empire Robert Kagan — and US Assistant-Secretary of the Treasury Daniel Glaser told the Foreign Affairs Committee of the US House of Representatives in May 2014 that the objectives of the US economic sanctions strategy against the Russian Federation was not only to damage the trade ties and business between Russia and the EU, but to also bring about economic instability in Russia and to create currency instability and inflation. [5] In other words, the US government was targeting the Russian ruble for devaluation and the Russian economy for inflation since at least May 2014.
The United States is waging a fully fledged economic war against the Russian Federations and its national economy. Ultimately, all Russians are collectively the target. The economic sanctions are nothing more than economic warfare. If the crisis in Ukraine did not happen, another pretext would have been found for assaulting Russia.
Both US Assistant-Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US Assistant-Secretary of the Treasury Daniel Glaser even told the Foreign Affairs Committee of the US House of Representatives in May 2014 that the ultimate objectives of the US economic sanctions against Russia are to make the Russian population so miserable and desperate that they would eventually demand that the Kremlin surrender to the US and bring about "political change". "Political change" can mean many things, but what it most probably implies here is regime change in Moscow.
In fact, the aims of the US do not even appear to be geared at coercing the Russian government to change its foreign policy, but to incite regime change in Moscow and to cripple the Russian Federation entirely through the instigation of internal divisions.
This is why maps of a divided Russia are being circulated by Radio Free Europe. [17]
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We Not On A Road To War, We've Already Arrived
If it looks like a war, acts like a war and smells like a war, it may just be a war. The US has been waging economic, financial, trade, political and even kinetic war-by-proxy against Russia. The only question is why?
From the perspective of Russians it seems clear that neocons are driving the US ship of state, and that they are simply not the sort of people with whom you negotiate in good faith or whom you trust. The neocons believe they have the upper hand, they are part of the most powerful country on earth, and they never negotiate preferring to dictate.
The only problem is, the US is rapidly losing allies and friends the world over and it's not nearly as powerful as it used to be, thanks to a profound failure to invest in itself (education, infrastructure, etc)
In Part 2: Why No One Should Want This To Devolve Further, we analyze the most likely responses the West's bear-baiting will generate from Russia. The short story is this: in none of the outcomes will there be clear victors.
There is simply no good rationale for the geo-political risks being taken right now. Leaving us with the critical question: Why are we willing to let our leaders play nuclear "Russian roulette", for stakes we don't agree with?
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You know, bid, I appreciate our warm, deep personal relationship more and more as time goes on.
However, the Western propaganda about the nazi coup in Kiev that you so strongly embrace, I hate to say it, is for simple minded political scientists. No offence.
No offense taken. You should return the compliment: The Russian propaganda about the democratic ouster of Yanukovych by Ukranians who, by a wide margin, prefer ties with the West rather than Russia is intended for domestic (ie, Russian) political consumption.
Like all dictators since before the dawn of recorded history, Putin instigated this crisis to deflect attention from the domestic catastrophes inside Russia.
The NYTimes article Poll: 81 Percent Back Putin Even as Ruble Falls detailing the results of a poll taken inside Russia late Nov-early Dec 2014 speaks volumes:
"We've revived the army and that's very important," said Ivan Savenko, a 50-year-old driver in the southern city of Stavropol who also took part in the poll. "For us, the most important thing is the army and then everything else. It's important for us that our country is a power. If we are not a power, we do not exist."
"... A source of pride for the overwhelming majority of Russians is the victory of World War II, but that was already 70 years ago," Lipman said. "(In Crimea) Putin gave the sense that we are victorious and triumphant and resurgent today."
I win.
Some advice: You might think the dense, complex, and frenzied prose you use is crucial to your propaganda. It isn't. In fact, this writing style betrays your prose as propaganda. You should write using the lean, spare, and crisp language as I do. Simple prose always bests complex prose, substance, of course, notwithstanding.
" No fucking way could you concoct your narrative on your own."
Maybe he is that fucking good?
Crybaby.
I'll grant that Bid might be an expert at paraphrasing the talking points he receives daily from Putin's Ministry of Truth.
Still up. Reread your reply. Quite flattered by:
I do have a much better opinion of you now. Also I defy you to find one other poster in Blogistan who has posited the theory that Putin desired to lose Ukraine and future election to future election, so that Russia could win Crimea forever. Goodnight.Since what you said is nearly the opposite of lucidity, claiming you concocted a non-lucid rationale is really not an achievement, bid.
Thanks for the interaction. I learned what I needed to learn. You facilitated the learning process; ergo, kudos.
You know nothing about,
assume too much.
He has written just as completely prior to now.
You are ignorant of this subject.
got the downvotes to show it....
Yea, lots of downvotes, few upvotes. Shows that these articles are populated almost exclusively by Russkies.
Which confirms my initial take: These articles are Russky's desperate attempts to become relevant again.
So, is Russia relevant again? Yawn.
but snowden is fake. disinfo at worst... limited hangout at best.
Neocons don't give a rat's ass what we are willing to do about their
tack to play nuclear 'Russian Roulette' with the Russian Federation.
In case nobody noticed, the American Military Industrial Complex
runs headlong into these nighmares through overt/covert CIA/CFR
Strategic Planning and the White House merely plays along to whatever they plan. In brief, deep capture manifests through the overarching plans of the CIA/CFR and the White House handles the impression management via Hollywood and New York City script writing. O'Bummer is the smooth criminal that got elected to represent American hegemony to the World. The World has flatly rejected American hegemony outright, but the MSM keeps playing
the same old tired script until it is repeated often enough that the masses believe the rhetoric, and ultimately, the agenda that always promotes USA centric dogma. One is hard pressed to find anything else via Internet or MSM. Moreover, 'free will' is not part of the MSM script and neither is 'informed consent' when all they want to do is manufacture consent on their terms.
Get fucking real, eh.
open season on killing all Nazi/NeoCONS before they start WW3-im in!
The best way to rid the World of neocons is to give them enough rope
and then sit back and wait because they will eventually hang themselves in the long run. No individual in this World wants to get rid of the neocons more than myself, but we must not take a road of violence as that will bring us down to their level of ignorance. The
plan is to let them destroy themselves with their own rope. One must use leverage against the neocons to our advantage. Banksters get the full treatment when they jump from tall buildings and that is what I love about Mechanical Engineering and Physics. Gravity works the same way all over the World and Banksters look great in their pin striped suits when they land on the gum stuck to the sidewalk. Moreover, it is comforting to know that city crews clean them off the sidewalk with the same shovel they use to pick up dog shit.
1.) Has EU & US occupied & than annexed Crimea - part of Ukraine? Or is it Russia?
2.) Are there terorists with EU & US flag attacking Ukranian army & people trying to occupie more teritories in east Ukraine or are they Russian soldiers who are invading Ukraine "during their vacation on free will"?
3.) Majority in east Ukraine doesn't support Russian troops and want more stronger ties with EU and join EU:
http://www.iri.org/sites/default/files/2014%20April%205%20IRI%20Public%2...
Terrorist Strelkov-Girkin: Russia should admit being at war with Ukrainehttp://belsat.eu/en/articles/terrorist-strelkov-girkin-russia-should-adm...
For those who understand russian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cb9ZyCFl84
Russian Army units taking part in military actions on a side of terrorists in Lugansk Ukrainehttp://youtu.be/caA8Yxyfx_w
These Ukrainians http://youtu.be/Bu64du_zxB4 are defending Ukraine against these Putin regime terrorists: http://youtu.be/mp7ipM3hWpY
Russia Send a New Batch of Military Vehicles to Separatists Controlled Ukrainehttps://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/01/03/did-russia-send...
Bilge.
Man you are looking at everything except into a mirror.
We are the great country that spent US$5 billion to create the Ukraine opposition, the armed groups, and also send militray advisors into Ukraine.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-military-integrates-ukraine-forces-washi...
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/07/23/obama-orders-american-military-adv...
Obama threatened Previous President not to use force against people who are protesting and occupying Ukraine Government buildings. But now supporting the bombing of Eastern Ukrainian people and call it reasonable. Where have you been man?
Do I need to point links to thousands of information about our attacks and occupation around the world? I ask because if you are busy trying to create your propoganda message, I do not want to waste my time. I will let you do your work. go ahead.
Yes! Putin is king!
Those russians soldiers who are traveling (and brought) to Ukraine http://youtu.be/SfR1KUGmwbE and attacking from residential areas using Ukranian civilians as human shield: http://youtu.be/KeE0zeN4si8 are not Ukranian own people. Those are russians invading Ukraine killing it's people and destroying their cities and villages, just because Ukranians wanted to join EU and NATO http://youtu.be/qZWLW_nc4vE
That is reality. So hated by ruskie payed trolls.
Absolute propaganda Mr Troll, aka "Latvian potato troll".
Smacker......interesting picture under your handle. What exactly does it mean? Are you promoting an economic union between Russia and the EU?
You know, the only way that, that will happen (and it's very unlikely ), is if Russia attacks the EU and if Russia wins.
Only a Russian stooge would show a picture like that.
My avatar attempts to expose the EU for what it is: a socialist construct stuffed full of old commies (eg: Barroso was an ex-Maoist) and modern day fascists from all over Europe.
I know of no other ZH-er who missed that point, but it seems to have gone right over your head (or thru it) ;-)
If it wasn't for all the misdirected hatred, Ukraine would still be at peace and Crimea would still be theirs. To be pissed at the ussr and russia is one thing, but to let it interfere with good judgement and self destruction isn't too wise.
Hate all you want, Get even if you can but don't let it destroy you. Ukraine is now under control of a devil far worse than the ussr as you will too late discover. All your resources are being sucked up by your new master while he is dispensing more hatred.You claim to hate russia but you bomb your own people of russian descent who didn't want to be ruled by this hatred. None of this had to happen. The traitors of your country are those in your false government taking bribes from the u.s. The u.s is sending arms and advisers to help in the killing of your people. Why can't you "Get it"? You've been sold a bill of goods as we like to say in america.
You will be lucky to survive as a nation if you don't start acting rationally. Start doing what's good for Ukraine and let the hatred go!
Please refrain from conflate USSR with Russian Federation
Soviet was never a Russian construct
From 1917 thru Stalin was never Russians in control
was same crowd as Kiev now basically
and same enablers
You were just a nutbag as viedoklis.
As freedom123 you are Jeffrey Dahmer.
Yum yum.
my, my obummers trolls are out in force.
products of an exceptional ami education system.
all working for their food stamp allotments.
rave on fools. lmao
Putin regime will go bankrupt next year. Putin regime going desperate. You can smell it from Putin regime propoganda channels who are talking about how US has pushed war with Russia and how mighty Russia will attack other nations not only Georgia and Ukraine but also Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania even Finland & Sweeden. Yes, they all can be attacked by Russia because they have "pushed" Russia.. (what ever that means)... that is why Russia want to kill people in those countries and occupie them... again. Well they can threaten if they want but it only shows how desperate Putin regime becomes. Putin regime will go broke, and in the end he will shoot him self in the head. That is how it will end. People of Russia will regain their country and wake up from Putin regime propoganda spell.
Wow, Seems a fantastic dream.
Since Russia is sitting on top of vast resources, Gold reserves, US Dollar reserves, and now Yuan reserves. Russia has volunteered to stop purchasing western food and meat and do not seem to be going hungry. Exactly why do you think Russia is about to go Bankrupt?
Are you by any chance drinking the same cool aid as the Fed? Have you been dining together with Nuland and McCain? Be careful what you drink man.
We all know the power of US. But to expect Russia to fall like the Arab or Latin America or Africa is a bit far fetched.
Yes, Putin will survive bankruptcy!
Whose finances are you refering to - Russia's or Putin's ?
Those russians soldiers who are traveling (and brought) to Ukraine http://youtu.be/SfR1KUGmwbE and attacking from residential areas using Ukranian civilians as human shield: http://youtu.be/KeE0zeN4si8 are not Ukranian own people. Those are russians invading Ukraine killing it's people and destroying their cities and villages, just because Ukranians wanted to join EU and NATO http://youtu.be/qZWLW_nc4vE
That is reality. So hated by ruskie payed trolls.
Russia certainly will not go bankrupt tomorrow. But they certainly are not headed in the direction of prosperity.
Last year, their central bank burned through $100 billion dollars to prop up their currency, the rub[b]le. Their inflation is above 10%pa. Their currency dropped by 50%, meaning, among other things, that they cannot travel to foreign countries as much as they used to (that's music to my ears). Maybe / hopefully they will burn through more hard currency to prop up their currency this year.
You say that Russians are not going hungry (yet). Just wait a year, let's see what happens in that time, if and when brent falls to $40 per barrel.
At some point, Russians will have to make a choice - eat or keep supporting that fool named Putin.
FJF
But the US, with $18 trillion in debt that NO ONE believes will ever be paid off, and Western Europe, that EVERYONE knows is on the verge of deflation and depression and have started printing money,
THEY'RE HEADED IN THE DIRECTION OF PROSPERITY!
Which F in your handel stands for fool and which stands for fucktard? the J stands for jingoist, I'm sure.
I was just talking about Russia. You want to change the topic and talk about the financial situation in the US and Europe.
I agree with you that the financial situation in the US and Europe is quite bad. BUt, for the time being, they do have one advantage, they (the US ) has the reserve currency. And that's a huge advantage.
But as i stated before, try to stay on topic and the topic is Russia.
And as for the name calling, most people who are loosing an argument revert to this tactic because they have nothing else to add to the discussion.
Perhaps you haven't been posting at ZH long enough to know that "name calling" is what all the better commenters do.
Remember what our dear cousin, Hamlet, said about the custom of drinking and carousing.
Here, where the best ZH ers still drawing breath, have perfected the "heavy-headed revel", foul language is a custom more honored in its observance.
Someone here once called my dead mother a "c--k s-----r" and today were the best of friends.
Check out this channel:
http://youtu.be/IUKKuXr2oS4
Their main income was take people of Ukraine lands for slaves and Ukraine women for sex slave in harems.
Until the Russians ended that.
Better cut and paste some of that history.
Russsia brought civilization.
Yes! Ukies plan is to take slaves and join in EU using those slave work. And EU is fully supporting that! Because EU is reptil-jew-NWO-Nazi people.
Thank God now those people is saved! No thank Putin - our God!
People in Baltic states where occupied & oppresed by Russian regime - USSR. People in Russia still remmber USSR as something good in their history - but no people in Baltic states. So only way to secure that Russian regime doesn't occupy them again was to join NATO & EU. Which is what Baltic states did. Russia at that point was weak and could not do that what it did with Georgia & Ukraine. When Georgia & Ukraine try to join EU & NATO, Russia attacked and created chaos in those countries. Occupied some part and in Georgia installed puppet goverment to those occupied teritories, which are recognized only by Russian regime. Similar to Ukraine, only there Russian regime not only occupied part of Ukraine but aso annexed and added to Russia teritory - this act as legal also was only recognized by Russia.
Now of course Putin main dream is to regain back USSR borders and that means to occupy Baltic states once more - despite people of Baltic state completly against that - but as they where attack and killed during WW2, Putin will try to do this again. Of course that is ultimate dream, more to the ground what he would wanted is to occupy and annex part of Baltic states where russians live. It would be a super smal teritory but that doesnt matter - that would ruin NATO if he would be successful. After NATO is ruinded Putin regime could occupy whole Baltic states. Yes, Putin is dreaming about that. But how can you attack other nations and still be supported by your nation? Only by propoganda. You have to make black as white and white as black. You have to say that those smal countries attacked (wtf? why would they?! makes no sense) and poor Russia was pushed to invade those countries to respon threat etc. So before that comes information war - what can be observed in Putin propoganda channes. Like this one.
NATO, EU, Batic states undesrtands this Putin regime plan very well, and so is preparing for it. Of course military is building up, but also there is work with people in regions where russians live. The reality is that even russians don't want to live in Russia. I am from Baltic states. And after I helped out some russian guy, I asked him - would you wanted that Russian army invade Baltic states and there is russian everywhere and russians rule here again just like in USSR times?
Response suprised me - he said: NO! Absolutly no! Those people are idiots! They are stupid and I would never wanted to live under their rule.
I was suprised. But than again I understand him. After seeing how people live there where they where "liberated" and in Russia it self - I can understand why he don't want to live that way. But live in civilized society where he has their freedoms, their rights, they have job, they can travel freely, etc. So actually Putin has a problem in Baltic states - even russians don't want him here. Maybe some super small minority that has nothing to loose in their life because they are loosers all the time - of course they have failed life under any rule and they always hope that some guy will change their life for good - they would support any change. But it's super small minority.
In my work I have majority among me russians - and noone wants to see here Putin rule. I mean - no one.
That is a problem for Putin. Of course that is why Putin regime has increased budget for propoganda and we can see that. But still it's hard for him to change reality where people can access infromation.
Also some other factor - Balts have huge cultural roots so strong that even 50 year long USSR occupation could not broke it. This cultural platform is what integrates it's people as strong force which is ready to fight & survive any attack.
http://youtu.be/-PDSSoqaCp0
Ah, another baltic pussy cat... ehm... tiger.
A message to freedom123......
Please don't let those down votes upset you. I think that we all know that this site is full of Russians or Russian paid stooges. I know that the silent majority supports you. Even more and more countries and politicians are realizing Russia for what it is - an oppressor with no regard for international laws and norms. Just take a look at Merkel. At first she thought that it would be possible to reason with Putin. That all changed after she had an all night meeting with Putin in Australia. She now realizes what many have known for a long time - it's impossible to deal with the Russian leader. German opinion polls are also showing this shift in opinion.
re Why The War On Russia?
It's what Bolsheviks DO.
The ZIO-Punk USSA NeoCons are just following in their forebears footsteps - this time aiming for a global White Goyim Civil War.
It's no mystery - we know who theses criminals are.
That same litmus test works here......if they sound like a business partner....act like a business partner.....they are a partner
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Not long ago, USS Donald Cook was checked on by the Russians fighter jets and all electronics on board on the ship were disabled in an instance ( Shock and Awe, if you want). 27 crew members resigned and went home with PTSD after looking death in the eye... War is a profitable game for a few and a bloody bath for most...
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html
Did Russia not take over the Crimean peninsula? Why would the author state there's no evidence of Russia invading Ukraine?
Crimea seceded from Ukraine
voted themselves away from Kiev monsters.
Then asked rejoin Russia.
Only country that recognized that "referendum" as legit was Russia. Same as when USSR occupied and made "referendum" where occupied countries "chosen" to join USSR.
Crimeans recognize as legit...
don't care what you think..
As it's recognized only by Putin regime, no it's not legit. And crimeans doesn't recognize that occupation & annexation as legit:
http://youtu.be/IUKKuXr2oS4
http://youtu.be/Qr3bUuSlOIs
http://youtu.be/I6j4y3ymCiQ
Volkodav......and i don't care what you think
And what about Kosovo?
What's good for the goose is good for the gander,,, no?
Kosovo now corridor for narcotics, white slavery, arms and terrists training.
Read a bit deeper than the MSM headlines and then come back to ZH when you have more than a first grade education...
You will know that Russia invaded Ukraine when you learn that..... Ukraine artillary is silent as it has been completely wiped out by air strikes.... The small groups of resistance fighters have been replaced by battalions of Russian troops.....The flow of troops, supplies, and equipment is non stop between Russia and Ukraine....The Ukraine military has vanished with most soldiers taking off their uniforms and abandoning their arms..... All checkpoints are Russian controlled and heavily armed....There is a no-fly zone above Ukraine....and most notable of all.... All civilian flights have been cancelled leaving behind a large, frightened contingiant of "folks" from the US State Department.
Here is the latest on the trillion dollar flaming sack of dog poo known as the F-35:
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/01/06/latest-russian-fighter-jet-bl...
they should reverse engineer the model the russians reverse engineered from usa plans. their's fly like they are suppose to.
It doesn't much matter because Russia has a superior radar jamming device of some type.
Did you read about USS Donald Cook?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-14/russian-fighter-jet-flies-repea...
Pretty sure you can say dogshit on this board with no repercussions. That said, thanks for the link!
Does anyone on this blog know where could get a great job working from home? Does anyone in your family or friend's family have any insight into this? I would love a job where I could work at home on my computer and make $50-100/hour. Please post if you can help.
Do you know how to troll?
You can work as many here. Only salary will be paid in RUB.
write if you are interested: putintrollarmy@yandex.ru
Can you please explain youself.
Your handle is FORPUTIN. Therefore, are you also paid to comment here?
Note: I agree with you, it appears that most commentors here are paid by Russia to spread pro Russian propaganda.
The West is not interested in a war with Russia, all it wants is to bomb Damascus to the ground.
Russia got in the way of that in 2013. So all that is done to Russia is being carried out to block Russia from having any ability to stop the U.S. or others from bombing Damascus the next time the opportunity arises.
Simple. Don't read more into it.
The U.S. and Israeli Administrations are 'on a roll', both feel invincible and, ...... deep, deep in their belief system they lack only one thing.
Bombing Damascus helps them along the line of satisfying their yearning....... (read on)
Pity The West is so F***ed up. We have such wonderful opportunities to change for the better but both these Administrations are 'rolled out' to help along their messanic yearing for vindication that they are supreme.
Jews, Christians, Muslims, the root of their greatest has become the root of their greatest flaw.
What we have, in this amazing Creation, is not enough for them. They want and work for and kill for the conditions they imagine necessary for their promised saviours appearance or re-appearance on the earth.
As James Bond said: The World is not enough.
The West is trying to convince the world that Russia is a threat by putting all this USA armor into Ukraine. Germany will be making the decision before too long as to whom she will go with - Russia or the U.S. I think she will pick Russia because of the trade and because the U.S. is not a good partner; it does not protect its partners. Germany is foolish if she chooses to become a satellite of Zionist-controlled America.
Which brings us to why the West is engaged in perpetual war. Multiply the Michael Waltzes below by a few thousand and you have one of the large pieces that completes the perpetual-war puzzle.
Michael G. Waltz: Profit-Making Proponent of Endless War
Michael S. Rozeff
“Michael G. Waltz worked as a special advisor to Dick Cheney in the Office of the Vice President. He worked in the Pentagon. He was in the U.S. Army Special Forces. He is very much a man of empire. He has since moved into the ‘private sector’ of the military-industrial-intelligence complex. He presides over a company, ‘a growing defense and intelligence contracting firm that provides strategic analysis, policy development, intelligence support, and foreign commercial development to U.S. Government and corporate customers worldwide.’
“He comes to our attention in this article. Waltz comments about torture, the Taliban, the American bureaucracy, secrecy and the need for intelligence. But the most important single statement he makes is this:
“America’s conflict with Islamic extremism must be understood as a decades-long ideological clash, akin to our 50-year fight against communism. Despite the popular narrative about ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, we are still in the opening throes of this conflict (as yesterday’s events in Paris should have reminded us).”
At the end, he repeats it: “America is going to be fighting extremists for decades to come.”
These presumptions, more than anything else, are what need to be questioned as strongly and deeply as possible, because these beliefs are what generate support in fighting men and profit-making men like him. They generate support among politicians and among Americans.
American conflict with Islamic extremism has arisen, not out of an ideological clash. That has been around for centuries. It has arisen because of American intrusions, invasions, and interventions of all kinds in a number of Islamic countries. It has arisen because the U.S. took sides with Israel. American meddling has been going on since Saudi Arabia became an American protectorate, since the U.S. recognized Israel as a state, since the U.S. overturned Mossadegh in Iran, since the U.S. went into Lebanon, just to mention a few meddling policies. These have been augmented immeasurably by U.S. policies in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, Libya and Syria. It’s the U.S. that fired the first salvos in this purported conflict with Islamic extremism. There is absolutely no call, as Waltz thinks, now to continue fighting these losing battles for another 50-150 years.
Waltz’s thinking is way, way too shallow as expressed in this article. He simply takes endless war for granted.” …
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/michael-g-waltz-profit-making-proponent-of-endless-war
“Endless war” is not for America’s good, for the good of the American people or for peace. It is for the advancing dictatorship of the financial elite who control the world’s money supply and are using that power to confiscate the wealth, and overcome the peoples, of the world - for a once-and-for-all banker-controlled world empire.
Patriotic Americans and Vladimir Putin are all that stand in their way and the Banker Elites are reacting accordingly.
If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at some guys, throw one of those little baby-type pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think of how crazy war is, and while they're thinking, you can throw a real grenade.
This is Crimea... no electricity: http://youtu.be/5kTBSas24z0
Krim nash (Crimea is ours - Putin regime slogan) :D
Prices going up because RUB is crashing :D
http://youtu.be/ys3HkFFUO60
It's obvious: Russia was getting too powerful and doing too much business with Europe. When Putin starting enticing the Germans with the idea of a new Beijing/Berlin 'silk road', alarms were triggered in Washington. They began to realize they were going to lose control of Europe unless they started a new cold--pronto. Ukraine was best, easiest way to do that.
Heckuva job, Vicky Nulands!
Banks control both sides !
sign up for another oil war and die for the banks ...
shut up and do your duty
Death for Profit !!!!
By the way, Ukraine's PM Arseniy Yatsenyuk, was recently on a state visit to Germany to beg for more EU money. In a television interview, he 'reminded' the interviewer of the USSR's 'aggression' against Ukraine and Germany in WW2--you know, defending themselves from Operation Barbarossa.
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/01/what-did-he-actually-say-...
What a doofus!
the usa is looking more and more like postww1 britain, already deep in debt with the natives getting restless all over the world led by the ascending bolshevik russian jews and the nascent mao uprising in china and ghandi peace rallies in india.
so now we have the orthodox putin movement, the pboc empire and modi filling in as ghandi with a better tailor and barber.
who wins this time? well, russia, china and india won last time from a self determination point of view(self is subjective) but lost the economic war(neocolonialism). britain lost in a resounding defeat. the usa won. the only thing missing from the present spat is a toe to toe heavyweight title bout for the consolidated champeen of the world belt(already smelted and carved in china with chinese characters above a small english translation).
the math says the usa and europe lose this time. the passage from the bible about 200 mil soldiers from the east brings me nearer to god every day just to hedge my bets.
So Dr. K is "worried" about a new cold war with Russia? Be careful with this guy. This could be a subtle game of good-cop/bad-cop. Dr. K may be evil, but he isn't dumb. He knows exactly that a new cold war is what the neo-cons want. He might simply be helpfully implanting the suggestion in our minds, while appearing to abhor it. 'Oh! The great and terrible Dr. K said a new cold war was coming. It must be inevitable!'
The EU is broke, looting Ukraine was just the apparent path of least resistance for broke looting assholes bankers loaded with bad debt until Islam is imposed, then public opinion is irrelevant.
TPTB figured Putin was faking that whole "communism is dead" and "Russia now supports liberty and freedom" was bullshit, they assumed Putin was "just another Soviet looter" and didnt actually care about the Russian people.
They figured they could just bribe Putin like all the other Soviet looters, and rape Ukraine for 3% cut, they were mistaken.
Russia is the real deal, they're not interested in Socialism and goonery or even a weapons race, they have nukes.
Russia isn't interested in war they're interested in making money and retaining sovereignty and keeping their people from being debt slaves, a great historical concern to the Slav race which Putin is a member.
The worst part is Putin is America's best hope, his replacement will be far less tolerant of the Kenyan should he be removed.
The EU is unfixable, it has to collapse, Putin is trying to mitigate the shitstorm coming from the EU experiment collapse primarily by not having a lot of bad EU debt.
The only fix for the EU is immigration enforment and austerity, they're doing neither, instead they're flooring it off the cliff.( no thanks to the Zionist war mongers).
Russia built its bunkerrs 75 years ago, they're ready for war.
If you truly want to know the facts as to why the west is interfering in this conflict- well, here it is... and the story is written by a professor in a small liberal arts school in central Mass., Jim Wald. The Times of Israel is a legitimate source, despite the commentors attempts to marginalize and demean it...here you go!
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/leaked-report-israel-acknowledges-jews-in...
i want an answer to what was Russias aggression in Ukraine before the us-eu-nato junta?
Russia, and Ukraine were both working, and prospering together, and there lies the problem, any individual, or country that's independent of the BIS, is unacceptable, for the advancement of the globalism, and the nwo agenda.
as usual most citizens in the us, uk., japan, and eu. don't know anything about what's happening.
yes us, uk, japan, and eu. are a team, if don't think so your stupid.
your also stupid if you think opec will pump any oil for the next couple decades, in a nuclear war.
even in a possible nuclear war, we get propaganda, it's all about the us, eu, and Russia.
what's China going to do, n. Korea, India, Pakistan, or Israel going to do, and to whom.
will Pakistan waste their 100+ nuc.'s to fire on us., or Russia, or do they have their own priorities?
it's very public which countries have their DOME, so this makes non-domed countries sitting ducks, and even with a dome I'd be scared shit-less.
do you think 3-4 billion citizens of the world want to follow Obama, nuland, and Kerry into a nuclear war?
it will turn it a mad-max movie, all the worlds oil producing countries, won't be there, or unable to supply oil for decades, an environmentalists, globalists, and nwo evangelists, wet dream.
No, sir. I will not fight your war for you, sir. You have to do this yourself, sir.