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Top Russian, American and Polish Leaders Warn that Continued Fighting In Ukraine Could Lead to Nuclear War
Former Soviet leader and Nobel prize winner Mikhail Gorbachev warned today that the battle in Ukraine could result in a nuclear war:
“A war of this kind would unavoidably lead to a nuclear war,” the 1990 Nobel Peace Prize winner told Der Spiegel news magazine, according to excerpts released on Friday.
“We won’t survive the coming years if someone loses their nerve in this overheated situation,” added Gorbachev, 83. “This is not something I’m saying thoughtlessly. I am extremely concerned.”
One of America’s top experts on Russia – Steven Cohen – has also warned that failure to negotiate a peace treaty in Ukraine could lead to nuclear war.
Steven Starr - a nuclear arms expert and senior scientist for Physicians for Social Responsibility - warns that proposed U.S. legislation would be a direct path towards nuclear war with Russia.
Former Polish president – and famed anti-communist activist – Lech Walesa also warned that the U.S. and Nato’s arming of Ukraine could lead to a nuclear war.
Leading American political activist Noam Chomsky agrees.
Australian doctor and Nobel prize winner Helen Caldicott warns:
The expansion of NATO to Russia’s borders is “very, very dangerous,” Caldicott said. “There is no way a war between the United States and Russia could start and not go nuclear. … The United States and Russia have enormous stockpiles of these weapons. Together they have 94 percent of all the 16,300 nuclear weapons in the world.”
“We are in a very fallible, very dangerous situation operated by mere mortals,” she warned. “The nuclear weapons, are sitting there, thousands of them. They are ready to be used.”
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Caldicott strongly criticized Obama administration policymakers for their actions in forward positioning U.S. and NATO military units in countries of Eastern Europe in response to Russian support of breakaway separatists in the provinces of eastern Ukraine. On –, the U.S. government announced the deployment of the Ironhorse Brigade, an elite armored cavalry unit of the U.S. Army to the former Soviet republics of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, along the historic invasion route from the West to St. Petersburg.
“Do they really want a nuclear war with Russia?” she asked “The only war that you can have with Russia is a nuclear war. … You don’t provoke paranoid countries armed with nuclear weapons.”
And see this, this, this and this.
Indeed, Eric Zuesse says that the risks are so high – and the American leaders so reckless – that Russia is preparing for an expected nuclear attack by the U.S.
Postscript: In the 1987 book To Win a Nuclear War: The Pentagon’s Secret War Plans, one of the world’s leading physicists – Michio Kaku – revealed declassified plans for the U.S. to launch a first-strike nuclear war against Russia. The forward was written by the former Attorney General of the United States, Ramsey Clarke.
In Towards a World War III Scenario, Michel Chossudovsky documents that the U.S. is so enamored with nuclear weapons that it has authorized low-level field commanders to use them in the heat of battle in their sole discretion … without any approval from civilian leaders.
May cooler heads prevail ...
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The threat of nuclear war has a proven track record. If it were me I'd have about a thousand buried and a thousand out orbiting in case Hillary gets elected.
An outcome that kills a lot of Christian white people is just as acceptable as political success to a black racist marxist muslim. If you are trying to use logic to figure out Obama's policies, don't.
"I can see a "gentlemen's agreement" to stick to conventional weapons as tensions rise, or perhaps several rounds of ChemWeaps and/or Tac-Nukes being used before an "agreement" being reached not to go "all out" with the "Strategic Level WMDs". N"
No, i think this time the ussa is not immune to a strike.
i don't think europe is going to take a hit while the ussa and canada sit on the other side of the pond immune to what is happening.
wouldn't be fair for you to miss out on all the fun.
especially the rambo retards that think the ussa is so exceptional militarily.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis
almost went all out except a Russia commander refused to fire. Thats from memory.
This article is nothing more than scare tactics. Simply examine the so-called experts who are expressing their opinions who are all lefties. It's nonsense.
why should we listen to you? you are a brainwashed idiot! lol
During the Cold War, many pundits have forecasted that the West would have a difficult time taking out the USSR on a "Conventional War" Basis in Europe; and would thus most likely resort to Tactical Nukes first in the European Theater (Note: US-NATO Nukes in DEU - with DEU_GOVT given free access and usage in the event of an Invasion, makes DEU a "De Facto" Nuclear Weapons Country).
Back to the Present and a Possible Future - most of us can say that the West can not win a Conventional Conflict in UKR nor in Kalinigrad (should the Neocons become stupid enough to try to take it) against RUS. There wouldn't need to be a Naval Battle in the Baltic - it's RUS' home turf. DEUtschlanders and the FRAncais proably WILL NOT join the NATO Wars, which makes it a POL/GBR/USA/UKR Gambit doomed to Fail.
In the East, the JPNese shouldn't partake in an War against RUS; and though the Vassals in the JPN_Diet may try to allow TEAM_USA to use its Bases for the Strike, hopes are for the Rational and the Independents to restrain them unless they're attacked. If USA coaxes KOR into helping out in a strike against RUS, DPK and CHN will most likely chime in, bringing an end to KOR and TWN (CHN will strike on both fronts, no doubt; and win them both - the Chosin Peninsula's final form is rather irrelevant at that point - CHNese Troops will mosey about freely).
I can see a "gentlemen's agreement" to stick to conventional weapons as tensions rise, or perhaps several rounds of ChemWeaps and/or Tac-Nukes being used before an "agreement" being reached not to go "all out" with the "Strategic Level WMDs". NATO (or the Coalition of "Those Willing to Fight with Arms, RUS' defense of Novorossyians" (ex-Eastern UKR - did I have it correctly?) may be defeated. RUS may play it cool (i.e., not try to Invade the rest of Western Europe - probably just those who attacked); and if so, NATO might be disbanded/regrouped with the Five-Eyed Anglo-American Hegemon being asked to leave.
There's one possible outcome - the Five Eyes kicked out of the Eurasian Continent - reduced to the Americas (maybe just North, if BRA and others break free via the BRIC/CHN Trade Deals) and AUS.
If a Doomsday Neocon manages to TacNuke/StrategicNuke a single RUSsian or CHNese City, someone will Tac/Strat Nuke one or more Pacific/West Coast Cities(using Airport Codes) like LAX (does anyone recall a CHNese General's interview response a few years back?), SFO, SAN, HNL, or mebbe SEA. Why? That'll (if all are chosen, semil-premanently) cripple the "Asia Pivot" Efforts; and still give DCA(Govt) and JFK(NYC - Finance) to remain intact to think it through for a "final chance". Of course, Tea-baggers and others will be storming their walls for a Coup by then.
This is a War that the Neocons, Oligarchs, MIC, PetroDollarMongers, and their PvtBankers CAN NOT WIN.
The Ukraine had or has the sixth largest army in the world. They have been beaten by a militia of volunteers who are mainly average joes and miners but tough men.
http://russia-insider.com/en/2014/12/16/1936?page=0%2C1
The vermin in Kiev and NWO-EU-USSA of Soros asked for a cease fire because the NovoRussia militia including DPR would have been able to go to Kiev in a week or two.
The men in the Ukraine army, in many cases, have thrown down their arms and handed over weapons to the other side because they hate the scum in Kiev too.
You are correct. The Neocons can't win this one. The problem for the rest of us is that your average Neocon is too stupid to understand that. It's going to end badly, and radiation exposure isn't covered by Obamacare.
In the memorable words of Peter Lori, "We are doooooomed!"
Hi George.
Off topic - But...
Where can I find some latest info on Fukushima ???
Cheers ~R
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com.au/
https://consortiumnews.com/2014/11/26/neocons-claim-to-fight-russian-unr...
http://rt.com/op-edge/208947-russia-us-washington-think-tanks/
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185870.html
It could be de-escalated with a single phone call from the commander-in-chief. The American public sits quietly on this. I can't fathom the degree of detachment of the average American and the mainstream media when such risk is at hand. Do they think nuclear war is something they will just watch on TV, and go to work the next day? You still can't live on Bikini Atoll due to the tests run there in the 50's. You can build your house and live there, but you can't grow food in the soil and eat it, due to radioactive thorium which is taken up into growing plants, and which, after a few months, builds up in your system to problematic levels. Now imagine a worldwide exchange, this crap landing and drifting to nearly every arable acre on earth. Where you going to grow your food while you wait 125 years for the half life of all the dangerous isotopes to diminish to safe levels? The moon?
"It could be de-escalated with a single phone call from the commander-in-chief. The American public sits quietly on this."
No, see, the fucker's out golfing.
in a nutshell:
http://www.philiacband.com/propaganda.html
Many NeoLiberals feel left out as NeoCons get all the limelight, like there is any difference between the two.
There have been several significant recent articles republished on Zero Hedge justifiably worried!
I REPEAT comments that apply to the article above:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-09/mikhail-gorbachev-warns-major-n...
Mikhail Gorbachev Warns of Major (Nuclear) War In Europe Over Ukrainehttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-09/road-war-russia
Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has given a chilling assessment of a new geopolitical situation taking shape amid the Ukrainian crisis, warning of a possible new Cold War and calling the West’s approach to the crisis a “fatal mistake.”
NATO countries are totally dominated by the banksters' political puppets, for whom enough brainwashed muppets vote. History has selected for the most criminally insane people to be able to dominate civilization, because they were the best at backing up deceits with destruction. Overall, too much "success" from that has driven civilization to become criminally insane, as demonstrated by MAD Money As Debt, backed by MAD Mutual Assured Destruction.
We are living inside of a political situation where MADNESS RULES. There are combined money/murder systems. Since money IS measurement backed by murder, and those have become globalized systems of electronic monkey money, backed by apes with atomic bombs, our civilization appears to have become terminally sick and insane. Due to the vicious feedback loops between money and the funding of the political processes, there are no practically possible ways to prevent our own MAD self-destruction.
There are no sufficient ways to actually counteract the propaganda pumped out by the mass media. There are not enough saner politicians, which could successfully campaign against the established systems of MADNESS. Those few who attempt to do so are almost always controlled opposition groups, or reactionary revolutionaries, promoting the same old-fashioned impossible ideals, which always backfire badly in the real world.
Kissinger appears to have been a relatively realistic balance of power kind of guy, who did not hesitate to promote mass murders in the past to advance the banksters global agenda. However, his recent comments appear to demonstrate that he recognizes the degree to which the current crop of ruling classes have become even more criminally insane than the previous crop.
Overall, society is headed towards times of Peak Insanity. The debt slavery systems have already driven their numbers towards debt insanities, and that must apparently drive conditions to provoke death insanities, on an unprecedented level. Meanwhile, the only genuinely better real resolutions to the actual problems would require integrated systems of overall better death controls. However, thousands of years of the most successful death controls being done through the maximum possible deceits and treacheries has resulted in a globalized political economy based on enforced frauds. Those systems are MAD, and they are automatically getting MADDER every day.
Since there is no genuine opposition to those established systems, that promotes better death controls to back up better debt controls, but only controlled opposition groups that promote the impossible ideals that no such systems should exist, or at least none that human beings are conscious of, means that there is nothing on the political horizon which can cope with the development of globalized systems of electronic monkey money, backed by apes with atomic bombs.
The Grand Canyon Chasm between progress in physical sciences, compared to political sciences, keeps on getting BIGGER. The ruling classes appear to believe in some of the most old-fashioned religions, while their controlled opposition tends to also believe in various other old-fashioned religions and ideologies. There is NOTHING in our political processes which is consistent with the development of technologies like electronics and atomic energy.
Rather, the established social pyramid systems, which were always based on being able to back up lies with violence, which became more sophisticated symbolic systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, now dominate all of the NATO countries, so that they are driven to try to continue to enforce their frauds on astronomically amplified scales!
The world has become an insane asylum, controlled by the most criminally insane inmates, while there is practically nothing one can do but wait and watch as that becomes more and more psychotic every day! I believe that has become so blatantly bad that some of the elder statesmen are speaking out about that. However, they NEVER address the deeper issues, but only recognize how out-of-control the established systems that they helped maintain have become.
From my point of view, the basic problem is that natural selection became internalized as human intelligence, which then was primarily applied to develop systems of artificial selection based on being able to back up deceit with destruction. After those systems became amplified by technologies which were many orders of magnitude BIGGER than anything which previously existed in human history, our problems are now trillions of times worse than ever before in known human history, while there is NOTHING which is publicly significant enough to be able to provide better resolutions of those problems, because the established systems, including their controlled opposition groups, are already way too insane to not automatically become even more psychotically insane.
Technologies like electronics and atomic energy are being applied according to the agenda of the most criminally insane people, who developed to be able to dominate human civilization by being the best at backing up their dishonesty with violence, while everyone else adapted to survive by living inside of those systems of social slavery, and therefore, mostly ending up believing in bullshit. Since there are actually combined money/murder systems, in which money is measurement backed by murder, there are no genuine solutions to our MAD problems which did not develop better ways to back up the debt controls with death controls.
However, around and around we go, that the debt slavery has become debt insanities, which are headed to provoke death insanities, while the vast majority of people have been conditioned to not want to understand that, and so, there continues to be nothing but ridiculous, controlled opposition groups, who oppose the rampant, reckless, ruthless, runaway criminal insanities of the ruling classes, who were selected by history to be able and willing to go for broke to try to continue to enforce their frauds, despite that quite possibly causing MAD collective suicide!
Personally, I have been worrying about that since I was a teenager, several decades ago, and have spent the last few decades attempting to do something about that through the political processes, while the only thing I thereby accomplished was that the more I learned, the worse it got. Therefore, when I read statements like those above from old guys like Gorbachev and Kissinger, I think they are understating how serious the situation is becoming! In my view, it is impossible to overstate how serious the situation has become to have the globalized frauds of electronic monkey money, backed by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs, especially since all the other monkeys and apes who have adapted to live within those systems mostly believe in bullshit, or otherwise have developed attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance in order to personally cope with having been born and raised inside of social systems totally dominated by the biggest bullies' bullshit world view, that asserts constantly enforcing more fraud is the way forward, regardless that the technologies available to do so have become millions, then billions, then trillions of times BIGGER, while those are headed towards becoming amplified to quadrillions of times, IF civilization continues to survive ...
However, while those are surely the REAL FACTS, the other SOCIAL FACTS in North America are that the only successful politicians are the banksters' puppets, whose only job is to continue to fool enough of the muppets, enough of the time, while nobody else can compete with the ways that the public schools and mass media have already overwhelmingly brainwashed those muppets to believe in the banksters' bullshit, and therefore, continue to elect political puppets, who have no other qualifications than that they were the best available professional liars and immaculate hypocrites.
Therefore, the MAD ENFORCED FRAUDS are automatically spinning out of control, getting worse, faster, while there is nothing which is politically possible to change the basic systems, to prevent them continuing to implement their criminally insane agenda. For all practical purposes, someone who does their best to try to understand that situation is in the same predicament as someone who was never interested to learn about that, because the realities of the established systems provide no possible ways for anyone who learns about the degree to which civilization has become criminally insane to actually change anything in any sufficiently significant ways to more intelligently adapt to those emerging runaway realities of globalized electronic frauds backed by atomic bombs.
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fortunately weapons much more effective than nuclear warheads are being developed, as we speak, to replace nuclear weapons as the wmd of choice. the new weapons will only kill people and leave the infrastructure intact for occupation forces.death will be instant vaporization(no disposal problems). finally! humane war with humane killing.
man is such a bundle of fun.
OT?
saw an extremely interesting article today posted on the Veterans Today website entitled: Mapping 9/11: The Fort Lee (NJ) mystery
Nuclear war would bring about a much bigger seat for the UN/US/NATO post armegeddon I would imagine
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alien civilizations only have one nuclear war as well
Another kind of cold war yes. Nuclear war, I don't think so. The elite don't want to clean their own bathrooms, mow their lawn or wake up during the night to take care of their kids.They also don't want to go to the mess of living in bunkers and have their vacation resorts radioactive.Things will get sorted out way before some nukes kill too many of their slaves. If Putin is not part of the game he will just be killed or impeached.
You don't understand , the Putin replacement or alternative is far worse, if Putin is removed the West gets an opponent that's far more dangerous and more likely to nuke, and for sale, and certainly more socialist and probably more Muslim.
Putin is freedoms best shot at the moment.
How would a nuclear armed Muslim Russia make things better?
Or a more socialist or Communist Russia?
If Putin is not from the system he will be taken down.
Other than Grenada, have the Americans "won" anything since WWII? Most recently they have had their asses handed to them by a bunch of sand niggers in Afganistan.
The stated goals and the actual goals are different.
PS: Meanwhile I see that the oft decorated general in charge of the wars in Afganistan and Iraq is to be indicted for trading state secrets for pussy. Oh yea.
No
Watch the language.
Fuck you
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Most of the time it was probably real bad being stuck down in a dungeon. But some days, when there was a bad storm outside, you'd look out your little window and think, Boy, I'm glad I'm not out in THAT.'
Takes about 200 million years to crawl out of the swamp, walk and make fire. The lawyers and cheats about 10,000 years after that.
Broken Arrows and Black Swans......Bitchez
http://www.alternet.org/inside-underground-bunker-condos-where-1-percenters-plan-ride-out-apocalypse#.VLFHjXeAVgI.twitter …
I think they are looking at the jet stream fallout.
The bush family has recently bought over 100,000 acre ranch in northern Paraguay near a small US military base. Other high end families are buying property in Calafate, Argentina not too far from the Bush location.
I think the southern hemisphere is the escape route not Kansas. Need to check the number of private planes being equiped with extended fuel tanks.
The US has two military bases in Paraguay, one in the west of the country near the border of Bolivia is Mariscal Estigarribia, with a 10,000 foot runway and another base, run by the DEA near the border of Brazil, Pedro Juan Caballero.
The ex President of Paraguay, Fernando Lugo, a former Catholic bishop had opposed those bases and was removed in a Coup in 2011.
Monsanto has a big presence in that country.
I have visited the place a couple of times, rather interesting place, bi-lingual, ZH readers might like to visit the place, has one of the lowest cost of living in the world. About 24 hours by road north of Buenos Aires, in Argentina. Very friendly people!
I remember reading of this Bush land purchase. In the past, Paraquay has been known to be a haven for former Nazis from around the world. It was the one place government would act to protect fascists of all kinds. It is like a "safe room" in your house, it is always open for you to enter and lock the door. It is logical America's elites plan to survive and thrive in the new world after the nuclear war. In fact, given proper preparation, they might enjoy several genreations of prosperity and emerge all powerful world dictators, being the only ones to come through it all. That small US military base, you wonder what lies beneath the base? The Bush nuclear fallout shelter?
I've visited Paraguay. Good place to hide since practically nothing is tracked by the banks, government is weak, USD widely accepted, remote borders shared with multiple countries, and it's easy to get a passport (would you know what a typical paraguayan looks like?) The President into the 1990's was General Strossner, a good latin name, lol.
I guess the only thing to fix once you land is getting out of the dollar.
Thinking is very painful or fearful for most. They know they cannot think, so they crave leaders to think for them. On their Ships of Fools, they chose their captains and navigators. Their captains and navigators believe their titles validate their fantasies. Trust and obedience become deadly vices of the non-thinker.
Like giving a bunch of gradeschoolers a case of dynamite and blasting caps. Surely none of them would ever try setting it off?
The worlds most powerful man...........a brilliant speaker and works out with 10lb dumbells.
Oh well, nothing has changed. Humanity has already wiped itself out before, imo, this could be the last time.
Well, the dumbass people who follow and vote for these R & D leaders deserve it.
After America's shameful and destructive orgies to no good end in the Middle East, one would think the public would scorn the military and say enough is enough; however, TPTB simply trot out some poor military sap and put him or her in front of the public and the public goes into patriotic orgasms for the "defenders of our freedoms". The public loves putting a noose around its neck and then gleefully jumps off the platform then wonders what went wrong...
That's why the patriotic volunteers are NOT serving their country. The US would better be served if people did NOT join the military voluntarily, thereby forcing the government to use the draft system. Once that happens, you actually get REAL protesters, not the union funded busloads send to Washington to throw out just the Republicans. We'd be out of wars pretty fast.
Does anybody know how Victoria Nuland is still on payroll? Until she and her neurotic friends get kicked out of power things will only get worse.
Kubrick nailed it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSZJbJ4Mfis
Pray for another day....