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Top Russian, American and Polish Leaders Warn that Continued Fighting In Ukraine Could Lead to Nuclear War
Former Soviet leader and Nobel prize winner Mikhail Gorbachev warned today that the battle in Ukraine could result in a nuclear war:
“A war of this kind would unavoidably lead to a nuclear war,” the 1990 Nobel Peace Prize winner told Der Spiegel news magazine, according to excerpts released on Friday.
“We won’t survive the coming years if someone loses their nerve in this overheated situation,” added Gorbachev, 83. “This is not something I’m saying thoughtlessly. I am extremely concerned.”
One of America’s top experts on Russia – Steven Cohen – has also warned that failure to negotiate a peace treaty in Ukraine could lead to nuclear war.
Steven Starr - a nuclear arms expert and senior scientist for Physicians for Social Responsibility - warns that proposed U.S. legislation would be a direct path towards nuclear war with Russia.
Former Polish president – and famed anti-communist activist – Lech Walesa also warned that the U.S. and Nato’s arming of Ukraine could lead to a nuclear war.
Leading American political activist Noam Chomsky agrees.
Australian doctor and Nobel prize winner Helen Caldicott warns:
The expansion of NATO to Russia’s borders is “very, very dangerous,” Caldicott said. “There is no way a war between the United States and Russia could start and not go nuclear. … The United States and Russia have enormous stockpiles of these weapons. Together they have 94 percent of all the 16,300 nuclear weapons in the world.”
“We are in a very fallible, very dangerous situation operated by mere mortals,” she warned. “The nuclear weapons, are sitting there, thousands of them. They are ready to be used.”
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Caldicott strongly criticized Obama administration policymakers for their actions in forward positioning U.S. and NATO military units in countries of Eastern Europe in response to Russian support of breakaway separatists in the provinces of eastern Ukraine. On –, the U.S. government announced the deployment of the Ironhorse Brigade, an elite armored cavalry unit of the U.S. Army to the former Soviet republics of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, along the historic invasion route from the West to St. Petersburg.
“Do they really want a nuclear war with Russia?” she asked “The only war that you can have with Russia is a nuclear war. … You don’t provoke paranoid countries armed with nuclear weapons.”
And see this, this, this and this.
Indeed, Eric Zuesse says that the risks are so high – and the American leaders so reckless – that Russia is preparing for an expected nuclear attack by the U.S.
Postscript: In the 1987 book To Win a Nuclear War: The Pentagon’s Secret War Plans, one of the world’s leading physicists – Michio Kaku – revealed declassified plans for the U.S. to launch a first-strike nuclear war against Russia. The forward was written by the former Attorney General of the United States, Ramsey Clarke.
In Towards a World War III Scenario, Michel Chossudovsky documents that the U.S. is so enamored with nuclear weapons that it has authorized low-level field commanders to use them in the heat of battle in their sole discretion … without any approval from civilian leaders.
May cooler heads prevail ...
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Kubrick is vastly overrated.
I agree he's one of the best out of the three hundred.
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you know the phrase:" never push this button."..for some it becomes fascinating, a desire building, until they hit it, they must hit it, it is a result of the human need to destroy, a seed of evil in us all.
policies that incr war risk among nuke powers ..is madness.. madness because the avoidance of using these weapons depend on stressed out sleep deprived military/pols who may not be as smart as we hope.
betting on humans to act in a responsible way every second of every day is a bet I would never make..
enjoy today, the odds are the type of leadership we have are eventually going to satisfy our worst nightmares.
Just look to the last 30 comments above for why partisanship is thoroughly absurd and insane, where all sides are beyond hypocritical, thoroughly violent, murderously insane, completely suicidal, unrealistic and blind moles to the total wipe out irrevocably coming.
Unfortunately most of the commentariate in zh can't help themselves, it's not an enlightened place it pretends to represent, it's the darkest of filthy places. These are dumb pack-animals, unable to operate in a survivable way dedicated to one-eyed one-track processing with massive hard-ons for their favorite alpha boyfriend. Actually arguing from a position that one alpha can rule them all, by killing the other alphas when no alpha can can rule a damned thing anymore, by tooth and claw, and survive it.
Apparently WWI and WWII didn't kill anywhere enough of your parents either, nowhere enough, they still gave birth to a world burdened by a flood of vile small-minded cretins.
This is among the most bone-headed of threads to date a clear restatement of the trenchant inability of most minds to adapt to their environment in a way an organism must to survive.
These dopes actually talk like there will be a second and then a third chance, rather than no chance at all, this is your one chance to adapt. There is no other. Instead this rectal ejecta operate in a ludicrous world where they imagine a victorious prospect awaits on the the far bank of mass suicide.
Repellant as flabbergasting. Pitiful creatures, no mercy coming, redemption would come but it was too repulsed, though the ocean of ugliness will have you, it's very keen to meat you, the ground hungers for your torsos.
Dangerous weapons have been placed in the hands of monkeys.
Think of all the money that could be made in a war with Russia.
Paul Craig Roberts lays it out with cold precision:
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/12/29/outlook-new-year-paul-craig-r...
Thanks for posting Dr. Roberts article, Bob. I think you are correct, he nailed it bang on.
Solution is trivial:
ALL Russians go back to Russia.
And all pro-Kiev trolls with a couple of weeks of membership under their belt get the fuck out of ZH.
All Americans go out of Europe , Africa , Middle East . Solution is quite simple actually .
And all Americans, except for native Americans, go back to Europe, and etc.?
Can we send all zionist Jews back to Kazzaria? Real jews can stay. Goldman sachs, AIPAC and the ADL can move back to their true homeland. They deserve it.
FACT: In all of history, the Russians have NEVER done anything beneficial anywhere in the world for any people, eg they have NEVER liberated any people from dictatorships, oppression, repression, etc.
FACT: Americans have liberated MANY people from dictatorships, oppression, repression, etc.
Russians are genetic thugs. They already have the largest country by a factor of at least 3 - ALL Russians should go back to Russia and stay there where they can speak Russian, enjoy Russian laws, culture, customs, politicians, etc and have zero complaints about the place where they are living not being Russian enough.
I had a Russian agent deal with multiple IP transactions I owned. I was never paid. I sued and won. He still never paid. His employees were in terror everyday. I have dealt with a lot of former culturally Soviet business people and not a single good experience. Makes the shithole Zionist almost half human when compared to Russians. I am sure there are more decent Russians then the scum but I haven't met any. I'd prefer a world full of bankers than Russians and that is saying a lot.
The Russians stood up for Syria including Syrian Christians who were being killed by McCain's ISIS/ISIL.
It may have been the first time the USA backed down because Russia was ready for a major naval battle.
America has 'liberated' oil and other resources from their rightful owners.
We liberated the SHIT out of those Iraqis!
Prober. Only a few weeks ago Russia forgave a long standing debt of $29 billion from the USSR to Cuba.
Thats what I call helping a friend in need. Your viewpoint is the unthinking result of reading endless western propaganda
Prober is from another long line of dumbass Ukie trolls spewing the same old tired BS.
Russians never did anything beneficial for world only yanks helped humanity . Expend your reading base idiot you will come to know what beneficial others did .
Fact : " Americans have liberated many from dictatorships , oppression , repression etc " That's an oxymoron genius . Whom have they liberated exactly ? For usa oppressive dictatorship means those nations who fail to comply with murica gun boat diplomacy . Many people have suffered and still suffering under usa occupation , their installed dictators let alone their created terrorist organizations eg. Taliban , Al-qae-da , ISIS , Boko haram etc . Get a grip apologist .
FACT :
( http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/04/resolving-developed-nations-obvio... )
37 VICTIM NATIONS ( OR IN YOUR TONGUE : US FREEDOM EXPERIENCE HOLDERS ) : http://www.sott.net/article/273517-Study-US-regime-has-killed-20-30-mill... + 2 ( Ukraine , Georgia regime change )
If they are thugs then yanks are sociopathic murderers ( scum ) . Who are you ( muricans ) to displace citizens from their nations ? Just because they are acting as a barrier to your nation ridiculous imperialistic hegemony ? Get a life pisshead . As i said , yanks must leave Europe , middle east , africa etc. Take your brainwashed stupid pawns back in usa . They can continue their killing spree in US ( just what your cops/pigs do ) . Others will be glad if you can dismantle your terrorist organization nato . Stop funding your so called NGO's and independent media outlets so that they can stop spouting your puke and propaganda rag to justify american deeds . Eat a crow and let others act independently . Take your world police baton and taser in your butt .
Your Facts(lies) are distorted . Correct them or if you can't then build a bridge and get over it or else try a teaspoon of concrete spineless spook .
Namaste!
WOW What a pile of textual excrement. NO regime has murdered more people than Russian regimes have, first the tzars and then the soviets - of their own people too ! You wacko genetic gangsters are soo soo soo obsessed with nazis, it is your reflex reaction to everything, but your beloved Russian leaders, eg Stalin, oppressed, tortured, imprisoned and murdered more of you Russians than even the nazis did, so you should hate yourselves more than you hate anyone else. Go visit the gulag camps, I have, they are REAL.
Stalin wasn't "Russian", dimbulb. He was an opportunistic Georgian thug who rode the coatttails of mostly Jews (sigh, it's true) to power in the Bolshevik coup. He then had the unprecedented political genius to get the Jews to fight among themselves as he assumed the top spot, maneuvering the chief Jew--Trotsky--out of power, out of the SU, and finally even out of life. But the "Jewish Doctors" got him in the end.
Levering the Jews out of power without becoming a Stalin--that is the political conundrum the West faces. I see no viable solutions in sight today, although a positive (non-Jewish) white racial consciosness shows promise.
Stalin has left the building.
Do some reading Prober....
https://archive.org/details/TheRulersOfRussia-AmericanEdition-ByRevDenis...
https://archive.org/details/TheWorldConquerors-TheRealWarCriminals1958
https://archive.org/details/UnderTheSignOfTheScorpion
https://archive.org/details/A.H.M.RamsayTheNamelessWar
https://archive.org/details/TheBeastsOfTheApocalypse1959
https://archive.org/details/DouglasReedTheControversyOfZion
Of course, anything that casts Jewish people {even if its just a small minority of 'Jews'} in a negative light, or even a light in which they are aggressor and agent instead of sacred victim, is dismissed, a priori as "anti-Semitic."
But it is quite unreasonable to buy into the idea that all these writers were merely lying and distorting out of naked hate for no reason at all.
The magickal totem against "anti-Semtism" is sapare aude
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapere_aude
Guantanamo Bay = usa modern gulag that too on someone's else land let alone your prisoner states . Your drivel isnt even worthy . You can eat your propaganda spook . No issues . stay ignorant .
So in your defective Russian mind the following are equivalent:
1. Russian gulags where Russians imprisoned, tortured, murdered and worked to death MILLIONS of Russians, especially dissidents.
2. American base Guantanamo in which Americans interrogate less than 1,000 combatants captured in battle against American military forces, AND the Americans did NOT murder or work to death any of the prisoners.
There is NO HOPE for your gangster culture. I have become convinced that one of the biggest foreign policy mistakes that the USA ever made was in not taking General Patton's advice to keep going east. We could have avoided the whole Iron Curtain Soviet satellite empire fiasco.
This is a great tragedy because I have great respect in many ways for the Russian people and do not want my country to be conflict with Russia, but the Russians just won't stop invading neighbors and annexing them by military force. If your neighbors WANT to be part of your empire, then they can freely exercise that choice. The fact that they are desperate to join western Europe and USA would tell you something about your reputation if you were not blind to it.
I hope there is a peaceful way out of this crisis, but if not, then better to throw down and get it resolved permanently.
How many Irag civilians do you think the US military have killed?
How many Afganistan civilians do you think the US military have killed?
How many Vietnemese civilians do you think the US military have killed?
That is just the tip of the tip of the iceberg.
Come on mate, the US is one of the most evil empires on the face of the earth. They just have better marketing.
your stupidity leaves me speechless
Mybe your speechlessness is due to inadequate intelligence :-)
The US does indeed liberate the natural resources from tyrannous dicatorships . . . . . . oh, did I say resources . . . . . . I mean to say people.
Prober, You may get your wish. After the Ukies finish destroying their country, anyone who can will leave.
BTW, you must also hate the Ukrainians, since they are genetically identical to the Russians.
Or maybe you are just stupid.
no one is going to win this one.
no one.
there ain't any bunkers deep enough. or big enough to contain the psychos that had them built.
and the psychos in the bunkers will soon be fighting each other just like today. nothing changes.
survival on a wasted planet? good luck. hahaha you just die a little slower than your neighbor.
it's a race to the bottom.
bon voyage.
I have no idea how WWIII will be fought, but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones.
World War III has been well underway for some time dude.
It's called the "World Wide Web" and we all are now in it.
Go ahead...launch those nukes. See what happens.
My money is on "Killer Tomato's" or a rampaging hoard of angry billy goats.
Only a part of alarming facts so far:
Cold War 2.0: A collection of alarming indications so farAnd see this: https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/c/conrad/joseph/c75h/
"Heart of Darkness", by Joseph Conrad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Darkness
Apparently "Apocalypse Now" was based on this book.
FWIW
I have read the book BTW.
The dark secrets of the Belgians in the Congo.
Oh ....
Brussels - SWIFT HQ
Brussels - NATO HQ
Brussels - EU HQ
http://www.zerohedge.com/comment/reply/500171/5645254
John Milius (who wrote the screenplay for Apoc) talks about how his UCLA professor said many tried to do heart of darkness into movies. Milius was a student and decided he wanted to do it. Milius is a real character.
Also look at child molestors and murderers in Belgium -all involved with the govt. Like Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew and a bunch of others with Epstein.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux
Sprouts: Brussels.
Waffles: Belgium.
The list is long...and dangerous indeed.
Whoever are behind this attack on Russia are extremely motivated so much so they would shoot down MH17 to try to pin it on the Russians. The Europeans are playing ball with them even if that means sacrificing their countries economy. People in Eurpoe are rioting as the counter sanction start to hurt.
The question is who are they and what is their agenda and how is it that they can so effectively manupulated the leaders of the West ?
To me, they can be no one but the zionists and the goal is to weaken Russia to effect regime change (read - put it under the control of the west) so they can reestablish the Khazarian empire in Southern Ukraine and Russia. Western leaders are just pawns in this attack and they likely are compromised by blackmailing. They have the NSA to thank.
A leader is nothing if the underlings follow their own agenda irrespect of what you think. They control you. Dont tell me the US is not controlled by Israel.
Russia should just scatter its poplution into 10000 different small towns , separate from their nukes to prepare for a nuclear attack from the US. It should then station nucelar arms in Iran and Syria. Russia should move the battlefireld to the middle East, attacking Isreal and the Saudi clowns via Iran and Syria Jihads relentlessly until the US stops messing around in Ukraine.
The biggest loser in this struggle is Ukraine which stands to dissolve into small bits and pieces so a Khazarian empire can once again rise among the ash for the Zonists.
With regards to MH17 please have look at this link
https://www.correctiv.org/
Absurd drivel, the ex-zionists will be as sooty as everyone else.
In an all out nuclear war most everyone will be dead, zioinist or not. The Zionists think people are terrified of the dire consequence of a nuclear war and so they can achieve their goal without a nuclear war. The problem is, under heighten tension, a false move can be interpreted the wrong way and the war starts. Computers monitoring incoming missles can make mistake too. There has been several close calls in the past during more peaceful time.
You are not counting on the FACT that zionists/jews have god on their side so will be spared during a nuclear holocaust. The surreal thing is humans ACTUALLY believe this shit which predestines us to annihilation. I suspect the emergence of these god fantasies that become an actual "reality" for an advanced species is the determining factor in the failure of their long term survival. The reason being the internal model of the universe generated by the brain HAS TO BE closely related to the external physical reality of the universe. If they diverge too wildly the brain is no longer creating an accurate representation of the external world - THE ONE THING AN ORGANISM/LIFE FORM NEEDS ABOVE ALL ELSE.
The human mind has long past the point of no return. While we were dumb farmers with nary a sword or spear or even musket no huge damage could be done but when you have a vast majority of US Congress harboring the great invisible grey beared skyman fantasy, with a nuclear arsenal at their dispopsal and god ON THEIR SIDE, we are fucked. Simple as that.
Perhaps our overlords have a nuclear acrapolypse on the drawing board. Perhaps nothing has changed for them following the collapse of the Soviet empire. Communism was not the real issue for them was it? The real issue for the neocon jackals is the death spiral of their waning fiat empire and the allure of breaking Russia into little bitty pieces. From their perspective it might be better to consider nuclear survivability and the opportunities that will follow.
Does this scenario sound extreme. Given the desperation and irresponsibility what we are now seeing, I think not.