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Curious Charlie Carnage?
Just a few random thoughts on Charlie....................
I never can quite understand why these crack S.W.A.T teams don't strategically hold off for 24-48 hours so as to exhaust the terrorists and attempt to gas them out, or at the very least, equipped with the latest military grade night vision, aim to catch them off guard overnight. Instead, they choose to impetuously storm the building by barging and charging, which virtually assures that hostages are also killed during the ensuing mayhem?
One would assume the pros know what they're doing, but it sure as hell seems questionable. C'mon now, slowly mechanically raising a shop's street level security gate, are you kidding me??? You can't be serious! What ever happened to the element of surprise, isn't that like terrorist manhunt school 101?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating that we negotiate with perpetrators, it's just that I would much rather see these crazed craven characters effectively dealt with via the most severe of interrogation techniques, and only then summarily executed, so that at least we stand a fighting chance to find out who and what was really behind them.........and certainly the hostages spared at all costs.
I mean once they have these scumbags completely cornered with thousands of expert anti terrorist police securely surrounding the perimeter, what's the big rush to go in there guns a blazing.
Seriously, these crazed undisciplined young terrorist couldn't stay awake for days on end, yet the expert S.W.A.T teams can, as they would rotate shifts. Just seems so ill-considered and outright reckless when innocent hostages are involved.
The end result of the special forces' rash actions:
A) Lose the opportunity to effectively interrogate them to ascertain who's really behind this.
B) Make them martyrs and heroes for the Jihadist cause.
C) The cold blooded terrorists suffer a painless death.
D) Spared execution in the public square to demean them after an expeditious Int'l Tribunal.
Bravo!
All seems rather short sighted, and patently barbarous to sacrifice the hostages so readily.
My best guess is that the order came from the top, as Hollande wanted to appear like a tough guy, since the public widely views him as an ineffective weak president, not to mention that his strongest political opponent, Le Pen, is surging in the polls. In case you're unaware, she's a fierce nationalist who's anti immigration, and wants to dump the Euro.
Moreover, dead guys can't tell you who really put them up to the job. Maybe, the CIA and Mossad like it that way? Seriously makes you wonder. Any particular reason why these rabid half-grown rascals seem to always end up dead on the spot, nearly every time, and then we learn nothing substantive about them afterwards?
Remember when withering old man Osama Bin Laden, the most wanted terrorist in history, was surrounded by elite Navy Seals, promptly gunned down, and then quietly dumped out at sea for religious reasons.................hmmm, sure he was. Would have been nice to ask him a few questions. Oh that's right, he was originally a CIA operative helping us out in the crucial hills of Afghanistan when it was the Russians turn to secure the poppy fields.
I suppose The Military/Terror Industrial Complex needs an excuse to keep the war machine in full force? Is that it? Who really knows what's behind all of this malignant mayhem, I certainly no longer trust our marionette leaders explanations, there are obviously powerful forces at play behind them without a shred of doubt.
Maybe the civilized West carpet bombing nearly half a million of these desperate beings in undeveloped regions of the world, aimlessly perpetuating needless wars, is not too swift either, blow-back's an angry bitch.....
A very difficult nasty situation is at hand, which clearly requires a new approach.
Surely it would have been wiser for the developed West to have put the nearly $3 trillion USD that was so readily wasted on senseless bloodshed in useless wars of massive slaughter, death, and destruction towards more useful strategic capital initiatives, in order to promote and improve the economic conditions in these barren lands, so that the people might just uplift themselves and become more productive to human civilization.
Perhaps then they would be more inclined to stay home minding their own turf. Instead, we seem hell-bent on further inciting and igniting the fierce flames of fanaticism, ensuring that their youth feel compelled to answer a repugnant and illegitimate religious calling, by terrorizing us in our own cities, via zealous acts of horrific mindless youthful desperation.
Ask yourselves, who and what interests really benefit from this continued abject carnage?
Sure makes one wonder sometimes.....................
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"Kosher" "Hype"r theater...
Sucked in!
The first mistake is to assume that the pros always know what they're doing...
LOL!
Seriously, there had to be better ways to disarm the situation but that would entail thought and ingenuity; but anyways, charging and barging in gets higher TV ratings....
"Charging and Barging" I might just edit the piece and use that......LOL
Bonjour ca va mon frere! Here are two things would help this world against these radical muslim nutjobs...
1) the west gets out of the middle east unless they want falafel or a camel ride
2) tose that emigrate to western nations assimilate with an indoctrination of porn, wine and Seinfeld reruns
Indeed sir LB!
Bonjour ca va mon frere! Here are two things would help this world against these radical muslim nutjobs...
1) the west gets out of the middle east unless they want falafel or a camel ride
2) tose that emigrate to western nations assimilate with an indoctrination of porn, wine and Seinfeld reruns
Bonjour ca va mon frere! Here are two things would help this world against these radical muslim nutjobs...
1) the west gets out of the middle east unless they want falafel or a camel ride
2) tose that emigrate to western nations assimilate with an indoctrination of porn, wine and Seinfeld reruns
You posted three times,
Must be French.........
Didn't France recently vote to recognize Palestine? Damn, funny things happen to those that side against the tribe.
I can't say I anticipated this, but alarm bells started ringing for me in November when the new EU Foreign Policy chief, Federica Mogherini, stated that her goal was to see the establishment of a Palestinian State by the end of her 5 year tenure.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/we-need-a-palestinian-state-says-new-eu-for...
http://unitedwithisrael.org/new-eu-chief-states-goal-creation-of-a-pales...
Anyone with a memory retention longer than a goldfish's would remember that this is what ALWAYS happens whenever Palestinian independence comes close to fruition. As I posted a few days ago, if I were Federica I'd find a bunker.
Cowinki dink?
The Charlie Hebdo police chief investigator just died yesterday at his desk
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150111/1016754353.html
Response: Too many Chiefs and Not Enough Indians. Seriously we have multiple layers of leaders... this makes any sensational event political, and a time for Politicians to take control of the narrative... Well like Rudy Guiliani after the Twin Towers came down... of course he destroyed evidence, the audit trail, and interfered with a Federal Investigation. But he made it a bunch of photo Ops and made it all about himself (probably Bush & Cheney wanted him to to that, and like the Australian President after the Mission Plane MH270).
So in 2008 Financial Crisis in the USA... We have all the US Leaders, Public & Private, saying we don't know how this happened, no one could have foreseen such a thing, this has never happened before... despite evidence that the Housing Market Topped out in Oct 2005, and we had a bad Savings & Loan Crisis in the 1980-90s which convicted over 5000 Executives & Formed the RTC to dispose of Assets).
In Politics it is great to say there are too many of us involved to blame one person or a few people. Plausible Deniability (CIA Invented Phrase)
In the EU?? City, State, Country, & EU Leaders... probably they all want to make a huge production in front of the Cameras. But they don't want to let Rapid Reaction Forces make their own decisions usually... But I don't know.
Like Robert McNamera in the US Vietnam War... the Secretary of Defense & President of the USA Tried to manage the war from the Top. So they had troops with unloaded guns at certain times. Then they wanted Body Counts to prove their Success. Then since they abused people and killed too many innocents they tried some programs to win the hearts of the Vietnamese people.
How about the White House, Secretary of Defense, and Secretary of State... trying to prove evidence that Iraq was a Threat to the USA... only so they could invade as a Pet Project. The Legacy of the US President, Invaded Foreign Country over 3,000 miles away with horrendous results, terrible costs for the people of Iraq, Refugees, Rape, Disease, Torture, Maimed women & Kids, Poisoned water, Wrecked Economy, Destroyed Culture & People, costs they still don't want to count openly. No data collected on the Destruction of Iraq & the Cost.
Too Many Elite People that want to be Leaders, Chiefs... and they all end up with little Fiefdoms, little Empires.
It is Disgusting.
Another author operating on multiple false premises.
-These police are quite clearly NOT "elite", or highly trained. They are bumbling idiots.
-This was NOT an actual hostage rescue attempt. It was a drill scernario...hence the MULTITUDE of bumbling cops, and disperate weaponry/equipment.
-The narrative leading INTO this event (the "mass shooting' the day before) was untrue, therefore THIS event is deception as well.
-He expects TPTB are/would act in the pursuit of justice, as opposed to the pursuit of an agenda.
They're French.
LOL! So am I...................
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Sorry.
No worries mate, just don't forget that without us, you'd most likely be still kissing the queen's ring......;-)
might have been better than kissing the rabbi's ring......
:-)
Nuthin sez FUNNY like taking selfies when you're supposed to be dead.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/10/the-undead-dead-french-cop-in-se...
The United States is NOT a country, as is popularly believed. It is a Corporation, a globally oriented gigantic, enormous, all pervasive Corporation, the largest one in the world with countless subsidiaries, joint ventures, and other alliances that are a carbon copy of any massive conglomerate.
"Wouldn't it be smarter for the developed West to spend the nearly 3 trillion USD that was so readily wasted on senseless bloodshed and useless wars of massive death, destruction and mayhem towards more useful strategic capital initiatives, in order to promote and improve the economic conditions in these barren lands, so that the people might just uplift themselves and become more productive to human civilization".
Naive statement.
You're not "following the money", the first axiom to figuring out why 'government' exists at all.
re: it is a corporation
I met a Finnish man once who said to me "Australia is just like some giant corporation". He was trying to get a visa and work here. The US isn't unique in being run like a corporation. I'll also mention that once I heard that the best families are all run like businesses. So the US being run like a corporation isn't intrinsically bad.
Not naive, aspirational. He knows with whom he is dealing.
Some of the hostages were already shot way before the raid began. One was shot when he grabbed a gun that the hostage takers left on a counter. He left it there because it jammed. When the hostage took it and tried to fire is he was executed.
The raid began when the hostage taker was doing his daily prayers. Police managed to listen in on what was going on inside and decided to raid the place when the guy was doing his prayers. Of course, this will not go down well with the muslem crowd. I mean, how dare to disturb a him and kill him during his prayers?
I'm not going to comment on the timing of the police assault. I would just like to mention that:
What in the fuck did these ex-cartoonists think they would achieve? Were they completely oblivious to the death threats ushered to the Danish cartoonist several years ago on the same subject (of Mohamed)? Or was their worship of free speech so sacred that it transcended fear of any reprisals? If it's the latter, I would like to see how the remaining cartoonists in the journal together with the hundreds of thousands of clueless demonstrators react to the forthcoming curtailment of liberties on account of this "episode" (aka 911 where plane wings "cut through a steel structured high-rise like a knife through butter"). Will they display equal sensitivity? lol
"Or was their worship of free speech so sacred that it transcended fear of any reprisals?"
Yep. They were well aware of the risks. And they not only took a piss at islam but also other religions and on the 'establishment'. Freedom of speech and expression to them are/were more important than somebody's sensibilities.
Too bad to see that some media are giving in to terror. They decided not to rerun the cartoons. To my surprise BI actually did but not any of the liberal media. They are giving in to terror.
Perhaps you find the cartoons bad or revolting or insulting but you must understand that satire is a long tradition in Europe. Without it we'd be still living under theocratic rule. The moment you start compromising on the freedom of speech, expression and journalism is the moment your culture will go extinct. We did not build free, prosperous and technologically advanced society without the freedom of expression. We would still be stuck in the middle ages.
We did not build free, prosperous and technologically advanced society without the freedom of expression. We would still be stuck in the middle ages.
Fantastic. We'll see how much freedom is left after they launch their patriot act part II. Come to think of it seems we are heading toward the middle ages. So do you still think it was worth it? And how about answering my question "will they display equal sensitivity" (to the curtailment of liberties)?
'Wouldn't it be smarter for the developed West to spend the nearly 3 trillion USD that was so readily wasted on senseless bloodshed and useless wars of massive death, destruction and mayhem towards more useful strategic economic efforts, in order to promote and improve the conditions in these barren lands so that the people might just uplift themselves. '
yes, I often offer this as a valid alternative to MIC spending - civil engineering projects would provide the same employment, less spend, and leave a working infrastructure that would genuinely win hearts-and-minds. Not rocket science is it [see what I did there ?] ?
They saw a body on the floor. Once the killing has started - it's an unconditional go. They'll consider waiting them out only if no one is dying.
Even an unconditional go, must be strategically thought through. Slowly raising a mechanical gate, comon now? Not to mention, that there were like 20 other hostages to consider............
Thanks Bruno- I enjoy your work. This whole situation does make one wonder. Why do we spend so much on national security agencies and yet this and the Boston Bombing still occur. All men were known by the authorities in both cases. In my opinion the Western governments, in particular the U.S. are concerned their citizens are beginning to question the open ended war on terror. They need some terrorism to occur on Western soil to shore up support. It is a strange world. If anyone would have told me twenty years ago I would not only not trust my government but fear it I would have laughed. I hate the term "awake" but it does certainly seem I was living in a dream. The U.S. is not the democracy spreading freedom loving entity my state sponsored education lead me to believe. Nationalism is as dangerous as religious zealots. When you engage in either you are not taking the high road. What those who attempt to villify Islam they should remember the West is far ahead in the body count metric and the majority of them were innocents. Thanks for your work.
The police knew what was going on inside because they were listening in. Some of the hostages were already dead way before that. They went in when the hostage taker was doing his prayers. One cop went in first. I think he went in to flush him out. The moment he came up he was taken out.
They could not wait 24 hours because it was quite clear that he was not going to be taken alive. Knowing that, there is no other way out of this than raid a place because if you don't you that for sure increases chances that more hostages will be executed. Whether they could have taken a different way in, who knows?
I think it's easy for people who have compassion and empathy for their fellow human neighbors to attribute these same qualities to those who only seek power and personal wealth. I also think it's a huge mistake to make that assumption.
And there is a certain mindset in the underlings of power, those who wish to strap on the weapons of death such as the military and police, to seek the thrill of the kill over the sensible solution in cases like this. The distinction between humans who by all rights should be saved and those who should be dealt with using leathal force appears to get discarded in the heat of the moment.
When expediency becomes a driving force fostered by those in power and carried out by their underlings normal human emotions are pushed aside and what takes control are the barbaric drives that we all possess yet are otherwise held in check by our sensibilities toward our fellow man. So what would seem like a situation for patience to take the driver's seat becomes a carnval of chaos ruled by darker emotions and the sense of ultimate power, that of life or death over others.
It's also ironic such things as 'the cost of the manpower' in these types of situations weigh heavily on the outcome. All the rhetoric about the value of a single human life shows it's true self as being mere platitudes regurgitated by those in power who deep down don't possess the basic compassion and empathy inherent in most humans.
So we're left to wonder how such a termination of the situation transpired when we ourselves, looking through the eyes of one who values human life, have a hard time understanding the cold-bloodedness of the act. Perhaps it's time to take a long hard look at the direction we're headed when we allow those in power to recklessly take the lives of innocent bystanders.
Yes, we are entitled to our wrath at the original perpetrators. At least in the sense that we recognize the wrongness of random retaliation against those who had nothing to do with the ignition of the problem in the first place. But we also need to redirect that same level of wrath at those who choose to allow the killing of innocents for the sake of expediency.
Especially when that expediency is driven by motives known only to the small group of people known by such terms as sociopaths or psychopaths who we have allowed through our own ignorance or lack of understanding to rise to positions of power. The critical distinction being that those same individuals have never shown a prowess for leadership but only the prowess of self promotion and enrichment.
It's high time to reset some priorities.
ultimate power, that of life or death over others and self.
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Two things:
That picture does look like the front entrance to a WalMart on the eve of black friday.
I agree with #1. As far as #2, let's not forget that you would still be kissing the Queens's ring without us frogs....................
"As far as #2, let's not forget that you would still be kissing the Queens's ring without us frogs..."
Always meant to say thanks for the use of your navy, so thanks.
Would have loved to have had it again about a 100yrs later ;-)
Not only the navy please:
Don’t forget that, at the decisive battle of Yorktown, effectively securing American independence, Lafayette was on the side of the insurgents, and more than half of the fighting troops were French - led by the Comte de Rochambeau.
By the way, the 5,000 sailors who died at the battle of Chesapeake Bay are still waiting for their memorial in Washington …
And have the French ever been invited to the celebrations (like the American are invited in France every year for the remembering of D-Day June 6, 1944)? The French do have faults, but they understand symbols.
The Americans don’t even learn all this at school: It is so disturbing to owe its independence to cheese eating surrender monkeys...
But you guys chopped off the head of the king, Louis Capet (Louis XVI) who sent the money and troops to help the American revolutionaries. The "Committee of Public Safety" also killed Condorcet (if indirectly) and tried to kill Lafayette and Thomas Paine.
France had a beautiful, flourishing 18th century but it ended tragically. The French "revolution" destroyed the wonderful culture of Enlightenment France. You guys went all Rousseau instead of choosing the ideas of Voltaire, Condorcet, Paine and Diderot. But because of the cultural legacy the philosophes left for everyone, I still harbor a secret love for the French of that era. But today's French intellectuals are to the 18th century philosophes as today's pygmy Greeks are to the giants of classical Greece.
Of course, when you compare today's American intelligentsia with Paine, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin et al, America too is decaying fast. Very fast.
The French Revoulution was planned and managed by central bankers. The entire populace was reconfigured through the absolute terror of death and destruction. A century later Russia was next. Same script.
Cheers for your brave ancestors
so how about je suis Pierre "Charlie" L'Enfant ?
Thanks for helping us out back in the day, and I enjoy your contributions here on ZH.
This police action may not have been as well executed as it could have been because the higher ups decided to storm both hostage situations at once - a decision that seems more political than strategic and not in the best interests of the hostages at this scene.
I read this morning that the police chief in charge of this killed himself. Is this true? Something is off if so.
"We learned this morning, a Commissioner SRPJ Limoges has committed suicide last night in his office with his service weapon . Information confirmed by his superiors. It is unknown at this time the reasons for his actions. He would have killed himself that night to 1 hour."
Not sure what the link to the investigation is/was. Says that he had interviewed one of the victim's families. He was in Limoges, which is far from Paris, so unlikely he was on the scene Wednesday although possible. But yes this is a confirmed news item.
Limoges: Un commissaire de police se suicide à la police judiciaire - 20minutes.fr
Well, if he'd had to witness the 12 dead at the scene, and 2 of them were his colleagues, it is not out of the ordinary that he would feel as though he had failed, and be so distraught at the incident and the madness of the modern world that he took the first ticket out.
This is what happens when you put an extremely sensitive humanitarian in charge of a law enforcement operation.
He hasn't the balls to handle the collateral damage of events out of his control.
He had to have been a French narcissist, who finally realized, too late that he was not cut out to be a police officer, let alone chief. He was likely promoted because of his exquisitely sensitive nature.
To his natural level of incompetence.
Au revoir, mon capitan. And good riddance.