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Ron Paul: "Reality Is Now Setting In For America... It Was All Based On Lies & Ignorance"

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Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity,

If Americans were honest with themselves they would acknowledge that the Republic is no more. We now live in a police state. If we do not recognize and resist this development, freedom and prosperity for all Americans will continue to deteriorate. All liberties in America today are under siege.

It didn’t happen overnight. It took many years of neglect for our liberties to be given away so casually for a promise of security from the politicians. The tragic part is that the more security was promised — physical and economic — the less liberty was protected.

With cradle-to-grave welfare protecting all citizens from any mistakes and a perpetual global war on terrorism, which a majority of Americans were convinced was absolutely necessary for our survival, our security and prosperity has been sacrificed.

It was all based on lies and ignorance. Many came to believe that their best interests were served by giving up a little freedom now and then to gain a better life.

The trap was set. At the beginning of a cycle that systematically undermines liberty with delusions of easy prosperity, the change may actually seem to be beneficial to a few. But to me that’s like excusing embezzlement as a road to leisure and wealth — eventually payment and punishment always come due. One cannot escape the fact that a society’s wealth cannot be sustained or increased without work and productive effort. Yes, some criminal elements can benefit for a while, but reality always sets in.

Reality is now setting in for America and for that matter for most of the world. The piper will get his due even if “the children” have to suffer. The deception of promising “success” has lasted for quite a while. It was accomplished by ever-increasing taxes, deficits, borrowing, and printing press money. In the meantime the policing powers of the federal government were systematically and significantly expanded. No one cared much, as there seemed to be enough “gravy” for the rich, the poor, the politicians, and the bureaucrats.

Warfare/Welfare State Requires Police Control

As the size of government grew and cracks in the system became readily apparent, a federal police force was needed to regulate our lives and the economy, as well as to protect us from ourselves and make sure the redistribution of a shrinking economic pie was “fair” to all. Central economic planning requires an economic police force to monitor every transaction of all Americans. Special interests were quick to get governments to regulate everything we put in our bodies: food, medications, and even politically correct ideas. IRS employees soon needed to carry guns to maximize revenue collections.

The global commitment to perpetual war, though present for decades, exploded in size and scope after 9/11. If there weren’t enough economic reasons to monitor everything we did, fanatics used the excuse of national security to condition the American people to accept total surveillance of all by the NSA, the TSA, FISA courts, the CIA, and the FBI. The people even became sympathetic to our government’s policy of torture.

To keep the people obedient to statism that originated at the federal level of government, control of education was required. It is now recognized that central control of education has actually ruined education, while costs have skyrocketed. National control of medical care has brought a similar result. This has meant more money for bureaucrats, as well as drug, insurance, and health management companies, and less money for medical care. Constantly more police are required to run our lives at greater costs while providing less benefit. “Nationalizing” both medical care and education has provided a great incentive to increase the policing powers of the federal government.

 The predictable poverty that results from such a terrible system is now upon us and is a strong motivation for the militarization of local police as part of the expansion of the national police state. Temporary and perceived benefits of government overreach and expanded policing powers end up becoming the real problem. By the time it is understood that these “benefits” are artificial, government power and special interests have gained control of a system designed to serve them and not the people the programs were purported to help. The victims are left hanging and taught that too much freedom is the source of the problem, prompting even more support for the policing power of the state.

Today the failure of central economic planning and of the US as world policeman is everywhere to be found. This is especially noticeable in the police war on the lawbreakers — real and unreal — in America. The failures of social and economic policy of the past 50 years have led to a mounting friction between the local police and the rights of the people. Local police have been militarized and have become an integral part of the national police state. A police culture that accepts the principle of initiating unjustified violence against citizens has become a serious problem.

The news is constant. If it’s not Ferguson, it’s New York City. If not New York City, it’s Chicago or Detroit or Cleveland. And I believe the violence in our cities is only in its early stages. We had a taste of the conflict in the 1960s, but the fundamental values of equal justice and economic opportunity have receded further from reality. Failing to understand why the past 50 years of government expansion to eradicate poverty has only worsened the conditions of our cities will guarantee that the violent conflicts we see erupting today will only get worse.

Fight for Equal Protection Distorted by 'War on Poverty'

Fifty years ago, as a result of Martin Luther King Jr.’s leadership in a plea for equal justice, LBJ declared war on poverty. Poverty was seen at that time as the major contributing factor in the plight of those living in the inner city. King’s dream was to make sure all people will be judged by the “content of their character” and not by “the color of their skin.” Good advice, but it was never followed. Residual racism remains, but the excuse for every shortcoming in the failed cities is said to be due to the color of one’s skin.

The very expensive war on poverty has after 50 years only made matters worse, compounding the problems of poverty and inflation while hurting most of the people the “war” was supposed to help. Currently our government spends over $1 trillion per year on anti-poverty programs. Over the past 50 years, over $16 trillion was spent, i.e., wasted. And yet poverty and dire economic conditions remain the major factor in the violence that persists, which incites or gives the police the excuse to overreact to maintain order. The plans and expectations for the war on poverty must have been seriously flawed.

Although the degree of poverty is different for the various races in the United States, all categories — Asian, white, Hispanic, and black — have had a steady increase in real median income from 1964 until the year 2000, when the first of many bubbles started bursting. In all four race categories incomes are lower since then. With the economy moving into the next stage of liquidation of bad investment and debt, we should expect this trend to continue. Economic setbacks and a decrease in real income are not limited to blacks in the inner city. The setback for the young has been dramatically worse than for the older generations, aggravating the problem of violent crime in our cities.

The “progress” of the early years of the war on poverty is understandable because the payment that always must be paid was delayed. The deficits and the borrowing and printing of money were unsustainable. It should not be difficult to understand that the welfare benefits, the bloated government, the excessive salaries, and the promised pensions for thousands of nonproductive bureaucrats in Detroit would lead to bankruptcy. The benefits had to be reduced. If policies don’t change and the politicians continue to be elected by wild promises, the disaster will continue. How can the provocateurs blame racism for the plight of the middle class in Detroit?

We must get people to reject flawed economic policy if we want a real war on poverty. LBJ’s war on poverty was no more successful than his Vietnam War — or any war since, for that matter. A national government that can print money as needed to finance extraordinary extravagance can function longer than a city, state, or private entity, but it too must eventually “file for bankruptcy” albeit in a different fashion. As we are now seeing, the bankruptcy of a nation also involves poverty for many. This situation will continue to worsen. Since poverty is a major contributing factor to the violence of excessive police militarization, some fundamentals must be understood. The economic theories of Paul Samuelson, Paul Krugman, John Maynard Keynes, and all those who claim to know how to “regulate” the economy to benefit the poor, must be challenged and abandoned.

So far reality has not yet set in. The poor grow in numbers as the middle class shrinks and the privileged class that benefits from government spending and government control of the monetary system thrives. The political demagogues and the authoritarians feed the flames of resentment that develop between the rich and the poor as class warfare and racial strife take over. They care little and understand less what liberty is all about — the more chaos there is, the more laws they seek to pass.

The Victimized Inner Cities

This social disruption has motivated the enthusiastic growth and militarization of our local police departments. The law and order crowd thrives on excessive laws and regulations that no US citizen can escape. The out-of-control war on drugs is the worst part, and it generates the greatest danger in poverty-ridden areas via out-of-control police. It is estimated that these conditions have generated up to 80,000 SWAT raids per year in the United States. Most are in poor neighborhoods and involve black homes and businesses being hit disproportionately. This involves a high percentage of no-knock attacks. As can be expected many totally innocent people are killed in the process. Property damage is routine and compensation is rare. The routine use of civil forfeiture of property has become an abomination, totally out of control, which significantly contributes to the chaos. It should not be a surprise to see resentment building up against the police under these conditions. The violent reaction against local merchants in retaliation for police actions further aggravates the situation —hardly a recipe for a safe neighborhood.

Though poverty and excessive laws associated with the war on drugs are significant factors in the conflicts that are routine in the inner-city, the overreaction by both sides continues to make the situation much worse. As a result, policing in general is out of control, and anything suggesting racial confrontation leads to rioting, looting, and property destruction. Civil liberties are ignored by the police, and the private property of innocent bystanders is disregarded by those resenting police violence. When police overreact and unfairly enforce the law, it elicits a violent reaction from those on the receiving end. This only escalates the problem. It’s an invitation for outside provocateurs to rush in and aggravate the racial tensions — all the while never trying to understand the real reasons behind police militarization and the cause of poverty.

The military-industrial complex now systematically lobbies to provide to local police departments the newest and most sophisticated weaponry — just as they sell weapons to the United States government to fight undeclared wars overseas. Drug laws are pushed by many corporate interests as well. Pharmaceutical companies, alcohol companies, and private prison systems all support of the insane war on drugs. The victims are the poor who suffer with a messed up economy and have no easy access to jobs. A natural temptation is to become a drug dealer. Violent activities arising from the drug war making drug transactions a criminal undertaking create demand in communities for strict law enforcement.

Why do the race baiters have so much success in making this type of conflict a racial problem alone? Unfortunately many of them make a living off stirring up trouble. If the situation were understood in terms of police brutality and poverty, the evening news would be dramatically different. Turning it into strictly a racial conflict narrows the discussion, and the idea of responsibility for one’s action no longer needs to be discussed.

The race factor seems to stir up the emotions. Mob-like responses can be achieved, which further inflames the situation. Out of control police and an entire segment of our population taught that responsibility for one’s actions is a negative are a volatile mix.

Justice under the law requires that people cannot be punished or rewarded because of the color of their skin, but unfortunately King’s claim that only a person’s character counts is forgotten.

The entitlement mentality is a source of much anger and misunderstanding. It leads people who see themselves as victims to one conclusion: they are entitled to be taken care of. They believe that more government transfer payments are the solution. They claim that they deserve to be taken care of and that, if they are not, there’s trouble to be had — which only opens the door to more police overreactions.

There is agreement with my contention that poverty is a big problem and the source of much trouble. Therefore, it is said, someone must take care of it. If one trillion dollars per year doesn’t do the job, then make it $2 trillion. If the war on poverty’s $16 trillion hasn’t worked, make it $32 trillion. This sentiment reflects the entitlement mentality that has taught many that some people have a “right” to government handouts and that the rich must pay. This is an idea that is deeply flawed, and it stirs up class warfare on top of racial animosities and police brutality.

The blanket demand that all wealthy individuals owe support to the poor through government welfare programs is not an example of equal justice under the law. It is an example of egalitarianism gone awry. Welfare, which is the use of force to transfer wealth from one group to another, is based on a moral principle of equality that in fact is not moral and does not work. The wealthy special interests, such as banks, the military-industrial complex, the medical industry, the drug industry, and many other corporatists, quickly gain control of the system. Crumbs may be thrown to the poor, but the principle of wealth transfer is hijacked and used for corporate and foreign welfare instead of wealth transfers to the poor.

Many people do indeed gain wealth unfairly with today’s system, which adds to the envy shared by many and especially the poor. But this is a problem that is not solved by indiscriminately placing blame on successful businesses. The result would be the country and the whole world becoming poorer while resentment rises. Honest profits of successful entrepreneurs are quite different than profits of the corporate elite who gain control of the government and, as a consequence, accumulate obscene wealth by “robbing” the middle class. To blame and destroy those who make an honest living by satisfying consumers without the use of special benefits from the government is destructive to liberty and wealth.

Reforms that are driven by envy of successful people making an honest living will not address the problem of poverty. Poverty is actually made worse by an aggressive sense of victimization.

Many factors are involved in the crisis of our cities, including the following:
 

Police brutality, militarization of the police, excessive laws, courts and law enforcement efforts ignoring the principles of equal justice,
 
Racism that exists to some degree on both sides of the conflict,
 
Rampant crime reflecting structural poverty,
 
Absence of an understanding of the difference between earned and stolen wealth,
 
Race baiting,
 
The entitlement mentality, self-reliance not being a goal for many, and the breakdown of the family unit,
 
The war on drugs, and
 
The lack of economic understanding regarding the Federal Reserve, taxes, welfare, economic consequences of constant war, deficits, and excessive government spending.

True satisfaction comes from productive effort and self-reliance and not from a government transferring wealth in an effort to bring about an egalitarian society. The absence of an understanding of the nonaggression principle makes it difficult for positive reforms to develop. Unfortunately hypocrisy has come to equal “common sense.” Placing confidence in people who thrive on wielding government power and who spend a lifetime using it to benefit special interests is not a wise policy.

The people have too little confidence that most problems can be solved in a voluntary manner in a society that cherishes civil liberties. There’s never an admission that government problem-solving doesn’t work. Government-created problems are a road to poverty and resentment. Too many people believe that “free stuff” from the government can solve our problems. They mistakenly believe that deficits don’t matter and that wealth can come from a printing press.

The recent high profile episodes of racial conflict involving police killings and the violence in some neighborhoods have been a fertile environment for the demagogues and those who thrive on racial conflict.

Some have suggested that sensitivity training for all police personnel should be required, to teach proper ways to deal with the public. Though there’s a lot of extenuating circumstances that provoke overreaction by the police, I’m not optimistic that the problem will be helped much by sensitivity training. Retraining the police won’t touch the complex problems that pit the police against the victims of complex social conditions generated by hate, violence and bad economic policies. The high profile episodes of police violence and overreaction are a consequence of conditions that in many ways were generated by government policy.

If social engineering intended to produce economic equality fails, more of the same cannot possibly be the solution. Seeking and promoting equal justice has nothing to do with welfare redistribution. On the contrary: equal justice requires the end of welfare redistribution. Redistribution is a process that is always destined to help a small minority, whether in an economy like ours that endorses central economic planning or in one run by radical fascists or communists. While advocates claim that it’s the duty of government to pursue economic equality, all efforts fail to achieve that goal, while gutting the principle of equal justice.

The Rich Are Getting Richer, But Why?

Under an authoritarian regime, those in power take care of themselves. This always leads to poverty and discrepancy in wealth distribution. Eventually the social strife that is predictable leads to an overthrow of the government. The Soviet communist leaders never suffered from want, but even they were routed when the people in the Soviet system decided that they had had enough.

We must realize that we are not exempt from a breakdown of our system. The strife that we are witnessing is a reflection of a growing number of people who are recognizing the discrepancy between rich and poor, the weak and the powerful, Wall Street and Main Street. The courts are obviously failing at meting out justice fairly and impartially. Money and race have a lot to do with how arrests, convictions, and incarcerations are carried out. That provides motivation for some people to become angry and violently strike out against anyone who appears to have more than they do.

While the courts fail to follow the rules of equal justice, those who react violently believe that attacking almost anyone is justifiable in seeking what they claim is justice. Talk of the 99 percent and one percent is not just sloganeering. It reveals a problem generated by government and a situation in which some people believe that they have a “right” to be taken care of rather than just a right to live in a free and just society where all persons are treated equally under the law.

Indeed the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer. The extreme current inequality is not a consequence of free markets and true liberty. Rather it results from the welfare state that, as always, morphs into a system that provides excesses for the powerful few. Better management of the welfare system does not help. That only changes the types of authoritarians in charge. Both political parties are financed by Wall Street, the big banks, and the military-industrial complex. Getting rich by being part of the government class is the problem. Wealth achieved by hard work is quite a bit different. Opening the door to this opportunity is achievable by following the principle of life, liberty, and property.

The economic interventionist system under which we live today rewards those who benefit from government economic planning by the Federal Reserve, access to government contracts, and targeted special regulations to help one group over the other. The insiders benefit during the bubble phase of the business cycle and are the first ones in line for the bailouts. The poor, for whom welfare is supposedly designed to help and for whom the politicians justify the spending, end up with the crumbs while the Wall Street/banking elites thrive in good times and bad. There are two problems. First is conceding the principle that government has the moral authority to redistribute wealth. Second is believing the redistribution will be managed wisely and without corruption.

All government management ends up being unwise, corrupt, and wasteful. The money interests inevitably prevail. Belief that “good” bureaucrats and politicians can be found to manage the economy and achieve equity in distribution is a dream that always ends up a nightmare. To make even a modest attempt at this goal requires government to use aggression against one group for the benefit of another. This authority must be denied to government. We must limit the government’s role to protecting equal justice in defense of life, liberty, and property.

Currently the political system in America and in most of the rest of the world is not motivated to seek this limited goal for government. Thus the move toward unfair concentration of wealth in the few and a dramatic increase in the number of people living in poverty as the middle class shrinks. Since there is little understanding of the economic system that is a major contributing factor to the economic problems, it can be expected to exacerbate social and class conflict. The killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson plus many similar incidents are signs of a serious economic and political crisis that is not limited to police brutality and runaway violence.

Police brutality and militarization may well induce a violent event far beyond what we have seen in Ferguson. It also can serve as an excuse. But it is not the root cause of turmoil. The real cause is poverty, the entitlement mentality, and the breakdown of the rule of law. Moral decay and the national police state are the real culprits.

More police with improved training will not do much to deal with this growing conflict. Bowing to entitlement demands from the “victims” will not be helpful in a bankrupt system. We have too many police, too many laws, and too much exemption of government officials from the crimes they commit. Both adding police and increasing entitlements involve expanding the role of government in an effort to solve problems that too much government has already caused. Government can only be expanded by diminishing the people’s liberty. This problem can only be ended by maximizing liberty and getting people to realize that self-reliance, hard work, and the absence of coercive force by individuals and government is the only way to reverse the downward trend from which we are suffering.

The battle will no longer be to get the government to pick sides in a conflict between rich and poor, black and white, young and old, or the lawless police versus the lawless demands of entitlement recipients demanding their “fair share.” There has to be an understanding that productive effort and self-reliance on the part of everyone is required for a free society to thrive.

Our Liberties Under Attack

The economic and moral decay of American society is reflected in the loss of liberties. This problem affects all Americans and not just the poor in the inner city. Gradual erosion of personal and economic liberty has proceeded for a century. The loss of our liberty has sharply accelerated since the 9/11 attacks. We have done to ourselves what no foreign enemy could have possibly accomplished.

Government surveillance provides the state with information that enables it to know our every move. The protection of the Fourth Amendment is gone. Many Americans are comfortable with the sacrifice of liberty for safety and accept the notion that government’s key responsibility is to keep us safe. It’s a nice dream but the truth is it can’t do it. One thing for sure: if it tries, it will do so at the expense of liberty.

Welfare, for the rich or poor, cannot exist without the sacrifice of the principal of property ownership. Though it always starts small and justified for the “needy,” the principle of wealth transfer incentivizes the special interests and the rich to obtain benefit at the expense of the poor. This occurs in all societies and inevitably grows to a point where the production of wealth is diminished and the system collapses. This is what we are witnessing today.

The growth of the state necessitates government surveillance of all our financial transactions to enhance the collection of tax revenues. Because there is never enough money for the “do-gooders,” the tactics of the tax collectors have become more vicious. Violation of our liberties is excused by the majority in order to ensure that all people “pay their fair share.” When conditions deteriorate, capital controls are imposed to prevent moving assets out of the country. Our monstrous tax code reflects the hundred-years development of our income tax system and is one of the greatest invitations for our “caring” government to pursue the impossible goal of the fair distribution of all wealth.

The vicious drug war, which dates from the early 1970s, provides another excuse for knowing everything about everybody at all times. Its selling point is to keep people safe from themselves. Pursuing this principle guarantees that liberty will be decimated in the process. It invites the government’s interference in our spiritual and intellectual well-being. What one reads and believes becomes of interest to the manipulators who want to care for us for our own good. And they never rest from seeking this goal.

This concession to the state invites controls on everything we put into our bodies: what we eat, drink, or inhale. It takes a lot of bureaucrats, politicians, and money to manage the process. The people, we have been told, are “too stupid” to make their own decisions about their own lives. We are to believe that politicians who invite themselves to rule over us are all-wise and that we should be thankful to sacrifice our liberty for this “service.” Authoritarians actually believe that we should be grateful to them for all the good things that they do for us. We must remember that if the people don’t rebel against a police state it only grows in size and becomes more ruthless.

In addition to all these trends — which includes the federal government monopolizing and administering medical care and education — government surveillance becomes the darling of the gurus who love the technology that allows the government to know our every move, every day, without limits.

With the disaster of 9/11, an existing acceptance of government monitoring, along with technological advances, helped allow a new age to be ushered in that makes the horrors of George Orwell’s 1984 look less threatening by comparison.

The Federal Government’s War on Us

Tolerance is a favorable trait when it means acting without aggression toward others, but tolerance of the monster that has evolved in our government is not good. Instead of adding more government agencies to spy on the American people, we should be talking about eliminating the ones we have, at a cost the American taxpayers of over $80 billion per year.

We have lived with the global war on terrorism for over 13 years now, and the threat of terrorist attacks against Americans and American allies is worse than ever. Though a global threat exists, the greatest dangers for American citizens here at home have been caused by our own government. Our government’s attacks on our liberties have been overwhelming and worse than anything any foreign power has ever done.

It’s the federal government that leads the charge in all our domestic wars, which, in addition to the global war on terrorism, include the war on drugs, taxpayers, and poverty, all of which contribute to the constant war on our privacy. Today every American is a suspect. Our president has established a policy that an American citizen can be assassinated without even being charged with a crime. The national police are made up of over 100,000 bureaucrats and police officials who carry guns to enforce federal law on the American citizens. The Founders and our Constitution intended that policing powers would be the responsibility of the individual states. That was forgotten a long time ago.

Not only do employees of agencies like the CIA, FBI, and BATF carry guns, employees of OSHA, EPA, Fish and Wildlife, and many other agencies enforcing regulations do so as well. The notion of total homeland security being provided by a heavily armed Department of Homeland Security was foreign to America up until just recently. Today, whether it’s riots in our cities or chaos after a national disaster like a hurricane, the Feds are there taking charge over all local officials and property owners, . It shouldn’t surprise us that our local police departments have become an arm of a runaway federal police mentality that mimics an army.

The Founders did not even want a standing army. They wanted only a militia. Today we endure, at the expense of our liberties, a national police force armed like an invading military force. We are destined to see a continued escalation of violence in our cities as the internal conflicts grow. Instead of the police quelling the violence, they unfortunately have become part of it.

It’s evident we have a national police force harassing the people and failing to protect liberty and property. It fails to quell riots while. Too often it incites them. We are also stuck with a huge “standing” army, marching around the world and engaged to some degree in over 150 countries, “making the world safe for democracy” and serving as a private police force for American corporations overseas.

The US Empire: Who Does it Serve?

When Obama announced a shift in geopolitical interest to the Far East —– to keep an eye on China —– one TV anchor pointed out that the move seems quite logical since we have a lot of “business interests” in the region. It is, in fact, far from logical if one looks at the tragic mess US government interventionism has caused in the Middle East and the conflict the US government is stirring up with Russia over Ukraine.

Old-fashioned colonialism was deemed necessary by various European powers to secure natural resources along with control over sea lanes and markets for selling manufactured goods. European-style colonialism — supporting a mercantilistic economy — came to be seen as politically unrealistic and unnecessary. When free-trade principles were utilized, colonialism did not die; it only changed form. Mercantilism in various forms and degrees drove trade policies of nations with strong economies and militaries. Though the United States is the world’s military powerhouse, controls the oceans and airspace, and has a presence in the four corners of the earth, few people refer to America as a colonial power. But in many ways it is, which has prompted our interests in oil and mineral rich countries. We are frequently involved in choosing the “elected” leaders, as well as hand-picking dictators, in many countries as well. This is not exactly what the Founders had advised.

International militarization of our policies is just as dangerous to our liberties and economy as is the domestic policy that drives our authoritarian governments to regulate our every move. We are now subject to an out-of-control domestic police force while the US military maintains our Empire overseas.

The “one percenters,” generally speaking, are internationalists who are not champions of individual liberty and free trade. They are supporters of managed trade and international institutions like the WTO where the interests of the one percent can influence the rulings that frequently have little to do with advancing advertised goals of low tariffs and free trade.

The international monetary system is a powerful tool for the select few. Easy credit, government guarantees, and generous contracts are a great benefit to those in charge. Non-compliant nations, or any country that is deemed unfriendly, can be punished with severe sanctions without moral or economic justification. US corporations benefit from our military presence worldwide. The military-industrial complex profits not only by selling weapons to the US government, but also by being the world’s chief arms provider.

It is a fact that many weapons we send into areas such as Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria frequently end up in the hands of our enemies. ISIS obtaining US weapons led to the US military then taking action to destroy the weapons. The military-industrial complex is immediately available to replace the weapons while earning generous profits. This is great if you happen to be an insider manufacturing or selling these weapons. It is quite a lucrative business, all at the expense of the American taxpayer.

The United States military presence around the world provides a “private” police force to protect US and other international companies against any local resistance or leaders that turn unfriendly. Our military presence overseas has nothing to do with protecting our freedoms and defending our Constitution. Those are lies and are used for the purpose of gaining the support of the American people for wars that should never have been fought. After long periods of tragic losses and expense, the American people generally wake up and realize what has happened. But what we need to do is wake the American people up earlier and get them to realize that the resistance has to be heard from the people when the government is preparing for war, not after the war has begun or even ended.

Military personnel are idolized, and, if any one raises a question on whether or not all soldiers are universally “heroes,” that person is accused of being unpatriotic, un-American, and unsupportive of the troops. In fact, the real heroes are the ones who expose the truth and refuse to fight foreign wars for the international corporations. Disengaging our troops from around the world and refusing to defend American neocolonialism is pursuing a course compatible with the qualities that Americans claim to stand for.

Liberty at home is never enhanced by war abroad. Preemptive wars are especially antagonistic to the goals of peace, commerce, and honest friendship. War “is the health of the state,” it has been said, and the state is the enemy of liberty. Wars overseas justify the wars at home against the American people. It is expected that liberties will be sacrificed when a country is at war. Pro-war neoconservatives are blatantly honest by arguing that for freedom to exist the sacrifice of liberty is required. This admission is truly discouraging. It hardly makes sense that voluntarily sacrificing liberty is worthwhile, if the goal is to preserve liberty. Time is short to reverse this trend.

Not only are our policies destructive to liberty, the economic costs are prohibitive. So far the bills have not been paid, but they are rapidly coming due. Both the deeply flawed policy of military interventionism abroad and the failed errors of central economic planning at home are now threatening our liberties and our general welfare. The recent breakout of violence in our cities between police on one side and people who have been thrust into the stagnation of poverty as a consequence of bad government social and economic policy on the other side should not be a mystery if one could see the forest for the trees. Economic problems are “blowback” and unintended consequences of well-meaning welfare programs that have been usurped by the powerful special interests demanding benefits off the top.

Yes, it’s tempting to believe the falsehoods of economists who claim that transferring wealth for fairness sake is beneficial, but history shows that it never works. The same humanitarians argue that all spending is crucial and beneficial, deficits don’t matter, borrowing is good, and taxing is the equalizer. If government still comes up short they say just turn on the printing presses. That is the philosophy we have been living with for 85 years, and the evidence is now in. It is clear to most Americans that these policies have not worked. Yet they are not ready to concede that it is less government and more freedom that is the solution.

The obsession with continuing all the same policies has increased our poverty, increased violence between the classes, and lowered the standard of living for all except the elite one percent. And worst of all, the sacrifice of liberty was for naught. Losing both liberty and the right to truly own property undermines the ability to create wealth. When this process gets out-of-control the economy goes into a death spiral, in the beginning of which we currently find ourselves. Without a correction to the basic understanding of the proper role of government, the downward spiral will continue.

Blowback All Around: We Are Less Safe

Economic blowback and unintended consequences is one thing, but blowback from our needless and aggressive policies around the world is another, and every bit as dangerous. As we find ourselves increasingly engaged economically and militarily around the world, we can expect many more attacks on American interests. With so many military personnel abroad, they will be the easiest targets to be hit. But attacks similar in nature to the 9/11 attacks will remain a threat to our homeland. We will not be attacked because we are free and rich. The attacks will come from angry people who have had friends and relatives killed by America’s careless and often vicious use of our military force in their countries.

It is not that difficult to feel resentment against a country that comes thousands of miles from home and bombs, invades, and punishes with sanctions, other countries that have never initiated force against it. As long as our foreign policy remains the same we can expect serious blowback attacks — and for them to increase in number as our prowess is diminished. Economic factors will determine this, and the loss of dollar hegemony will aggravate the situation.

The US government’s foolishness in foreign affairs has plagued us for 100 years. The escalation of our presence around the world since 9/11 continues. It is a policy “bubble” of gigantic proportions. This “bubble” of intervention is about to burst. Any serious look at our last 13 years of intervention around the world should convince all skeptics of how foolish, dangerous, and expensive it has been. The US operates with an attitude that it has the power and therefore the responsibility to be involved in deciding almost every foreign leader, whether elected or appointed as a dictator.

We have been engaged in picking and financing political factions in revolts in countries including Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq, Kurdistan, Syria, Ukraine, Somalia, Nigeria, the Philippines, Liberia, Georgia, Haiti, and Lebanon.

These involvements impose a huge tax and inflation burden on the American people. Trillions of dollars have been spent, and the debt continues to mount. The abject failure of our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan elicits a loud call from the neoconservatives for more money, troops, weapons, and bombs, with zero hope of a successful mission. ISIS, now considered our greatest threat, is not even a country, but our occupation and destruction in the region motivates even a ragtag bunch to expel foreign forces from their homeland. ISIS has rallied enormous support and resources to undermine our allies in the region. That assessment is difficult, of course, since it’s hard for anyone to identify exactly who our allies are and distinguish them from our avowed enemies.

US foreign policy has helped create the disastrous situation in Syria. We declared that Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad had to go. We supported rebel factions. We armed them. They turned on us and used their American weapons against us with an amazing resistance headed by the ruthless ISIS, an outgrowth of al-Qaeda. It’s quite an irony that ISIS is well entrenched in northern Iraq, since before we decided to invade Iraq and kill Saddam Hussein no al-Qaeda were present in Iraq. Now the neocons are getting their way and American forces are returning with reinforcements and weapons to save Baghdad from the jihadists.

No one can make this stuff up. It’s too bizarre for fiction. Unfortunately, with the help of the media and our government, the American people have remained oblivious to the stupidity of our policies of the past 13 years. A day will come though when the full cost of this policy is dumped on the American people. Then they will get the message. Then it will be too late to gracefully exit and restore sanity without cataclysmic changes being forced on us. The major challenge will be the survival of our liberties.

What to expect in 2015?

Foreign Affairs

More American troops will be sent overseas to places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Ukraine. There will be no military victories to brag about. More American military personnel will be killed in 2015 than in 2014. Military contractors will be used in growing numbers and their casualties will not be counted as military casualties.

The Ukraine civil war will not end, and the United States will be further bogged down in this conflict. Relations with Russia will continue to deteriorate. The neocons in Congress will gain even more influence over our foreign policy. Punishing sanctions will continue to be made more severe and push Russia further into China’s sphere of influence. Gold will gain credibility as we isolate the Russians from the financial markets.

Sanctions on Russia will alienate Europe against the United States. The British oil industry will suffer from the “conspiracy” of the US and Saudi Arabia to drive oil prices down to punish Russia.

The military-industrial complex will continue to thrive and make even more money with the greater influence of the neocons in the new Congress. Supplemental budgets for the military should be expected, along with covert assistance and additional foreign aid to finance the management of our Empire.

Our enemies’ strength will grow and prompt even more abuse of American citizens’ privacy and free expression. We should not be surprised if there is a reigniting of the conflict in the Balkans. The first of the color revolutions in 2000 in Serbia can hardly be claimed a permanent victory. Generally, bombs from outsiders don’t solve internal problems. Those problems must eventually be solved from within a country rather than from outside interference.

The US and NATO announced that the 13 year war in Afghanistan has ended. There has been neither the pretense of "Mission Accomplished" nor an admission of outright failure, along with an exodus. In reality the war has not ended and instead will continue for a long time. No victory for US policy is possible. The conflict will actually spread and increase in intensity since our goals are undefinable and therefore the war is un-winnable.

Sanity will not return to US leaders until our financial system collapses — an event for which they are feverishly working
 

Domestic issues

An honest assessment of the economy will not reveal any significant improvement in 2015. Inflation will continue to plague us, possibly even with the government-rigged CPI figures showing an increase. But the true inflation of the Fed’s credit creation, as well as the subsequent mal- investment and the various bubbles bursting will accelerate. Debt in all categories will continue to increase at unsustainable rates. The Fed will not permit interest rates to rise — at least on purpose. Eventually the market will demand that rates do rise, however.

Tax revenues will continue to rise, aiding the policy of the government spending the people’s money rather than those who earned it. Regulations, even with (or maybe especially with) a Republican Congress will continue to increase and make the Federal Register more incomprehensible. Friction between the middle class and the one percent, many of whom are living off government privileges, will escalate further and be reflected in confrontations especially in the large cities. Financial currency controls will continue to expand especially with cross-border transactions.

Blowback and unintended consequences from our sanctions and foreign policy in general will continue to threaten our domestic security and our economy, as well as our liberties.

Relations with Cuba will be improved with the president’s effort to resume diplomatic relations, but the radicals and isolationists who oppose free trade will place roadblocks in the way and slow the process.

A major geopolitical or economic event, greater than the crisis of 2008, is fast approaching. The precipitating event will be a surprise to the majority of politicians and economists. There are many “next shoe to drop” possibilities, and one could happen any time or any place.

Wall Street will be protected, and the trillions of dollars of big banks derivatives will be absorbed by the Fed, the FDIC, and ultimately by the American taxpayers in the next financial crisis. There’s no doubt the poor will get poorer and the rich richer until the spirit of revolution in the people calls a halt to the systematic destruction of freedom in America.

Conclusion: Toward a Peaceful Revolution

Authoritarianism has overtaken our economic system as the welfare mentality takes over at every level of government. Once the initiation of force by government is accepted by the people, even minimally, it escalates and involves every aspect of society. The only question that remains is just who gets to wield the power to distribute the largess to their friends and chosen beneficiaries. It’s a recipe for steady growth of the government at the expense of liberties, even if official documents and laws written to limit government power are in place. Planting even small seeds of monopoly power in the hands of a few people in government, whether democratically elected or not, will always metastasize like a cancer. This was Jefferson’s concern when he advised that “[t]he tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time.” He believed the people must warn the rulers that taking up arms against the government is legitimate if the government fails to protect the people’s liberty.

This should be a consideration. But if the spirit of liberty is not alive and well in the hearts and minds of the people, violence alone against the government will not be a solution. History has shown that, more often than not, people who rebel against abusive governments, whether run by kings or modern day dictators, do not gain much — overthrowing one dictator and replacing him with another just as bad.

A clear understanding of the nature and source of liberty is required for revolutions to be beneficial. Restraining the few who thrive on the use of force to rule over us is the challenge. Fortunately they are outnumbered by those who would choose liberty yet lack the will to challenge the humanitarian monsters who gain support from naive and apathetic citizens. All positive revolutions must be philosophic in nature to make a difference. Violence alone achieves nothing.

Before we can actually restore our liberties, we most likely will have to become a lot less free and much poorer. This is sad since correct and workable answers are available to us if only the people understood them and demanded liberty and honesty, rather than being dependent on excessive government power and believing the false promises of politicians.

Even with the problems we face today and the bleak outlook for the coming year there’s much to encourage us. During this next year there will be the continuation of many more people recognizing the failure of government to create peace and prosperity. More widespread understanding of this truth is required in order to bring about a successful revolution.

The freedom movement, especially with many young people involved, will grow in numbers and influence.

Current monetary policy and the Federal Reserve will continue to lose credibility, especially with the next bailout. Although “too big to fail” will stay in place, it will further alienate Main Street America causing it to rebel against the system.

The real problem of course is that too many “stupid people” are IN our government and have high visibility on the major TV networks. There will be plenty of people, not officially associated with government, who will rebel against various governments around the world. The sentiments supporting secession, jury nullification, nullification of federal laws by state legislatures, and a drive for more independence from larger governments will continue.

We should not be discouraged. Enlightenment is not nearly as difficult to achieve as it was before the breakthrough with Internet communications occurred.  Besides we must remember that “an idea whose time has come” cannot be stopped by armies, demagogues, politicians, or even Fox News or MSNBC. The time has come for the ideas of liberty to prevail. I smell progress. Let’s make 2015 a fun year for LIBERTY.

 

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Sat, 01/10/2015 - 13:32 | 5645821 So Close
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"If Americans were honest with themselves......" ain't gonna  happen.  We can't even call a fat person fat or a criminal a criminal.  we lie when the truth sounds better.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 13:35 | 5645829 Publicus
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The only thing that can be expected from the next US president is more war, more murder, and more oppression of the gullible American people.

People as uninformed and as gullible as Americans have no future. Americans are a dead people that history is about to run over. - Paul Craig Roberts

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 13:48 | 5645861 MisterX
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eat propaganda to survive:

http://www.philiacband.com/propaganda.html

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 14:33 | 5645975 Son of Loki
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At least Merikans are not "Deadbeats."

 

Barry said so.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 15:15 | 5646026 Comte de Saint ...
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For the bullshitter it is in itself neither a reason in favor nor a reason against. Both in lying and in telling the truth people are guided by their beliefs concerning the way things are. These guide them as they endeavor either to describe the world correctly or to describe it deceitfully. For this reason, telling lies does not tend to unfit a person for telling the truth in the same way that bullshitting tends to. Through excessive indulgence in the latter activity, which involves making assertions without paying attention to anything except what it suits one to say, a person's normal habit of attending to the ways things are may become attenuated or lost. Someone who lies and someone who tells the truth are playing on opposite sides, so to speak, in the same game. Each responds to the facts as he understands them, although the response of the one is guided by the authority of the truth, while the response of the other defies that authority and refuses to meet its demands. The bullshitter ignores these demands altogether. He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are. (extract taken from "On Bullshit" by Harry G. Frankfurt - Princeton University Press)

Ron Paul = Bullshitter

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 17:08 | 5646383 James_Cole
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Wow Ron Paul needs to hire an editor at the Institute, talk about long and convoluted!

Once the initiation of force by government is accepted by the people, even minimally, it escalates and involves every aspect of society. The only question that remains is just who gets to wield the power to distribute the largess to their friends and chosen beneficiaries.  

The US .gov has always been structured in this way - and always will be - it has only been pushback from the people (LABOUR MOVEMENTS / CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENTS etc.) that has curbed this primary function of government. 

RP was a huge beneficiary of .gov operations for decades - and as I've mentioned before and somehow all the RP lovers on here missed - also tried to take his web domain by force from the rightful owners via the UN... and lost. Good for the goose good for the gander?

Not many Americans were crying over the .gov landgrab from the first nations (not to mention genocide). Put some of this shit in perspective, nothing new under the sun, just different color people being oppressed. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_v._M%27Intosh

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 18:55 | 5646694 BeerMe
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First nations?  Fucking Canadian. 

Indians are still under .gov's thumb with federal assistance to keep them on the reservations.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 19:02 | 5646728 Barnaby
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Oh yeah? Well if it weren't for us, you wouldn't know how to sit with your legs folded.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 21:22 | 5647119 The9thDoctor
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An excellent post by Ron Paul.

While I disagree with some of his economic policies, he is spot on when it comes to Civil Liberties and Foreign Affairs.

This is why I held my nose, registered Republican, and voted for him in the primaries. As soon as he retired, I went back to independent.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 00:59 | 5647565 wintermute
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Ron Paul is the best candidate never to have been US president.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 01:17 | 5647592 Uchtdorf
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There was one better, but his candidacy was ended when in 1844 he was assassinated in Illinois.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 02:44 | 5647692 diesheepledie
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My attention span has been shortened by twitter and fox news. I would have more to say but I cannot read an article this long.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 10:36 | 5648095 Bendromeda Strain
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You deserve a greenie just for being honest about it, unlike @James_Cole who pretended to read it before bitching about its length - except you mispelled NBC. Try again.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 21:01 | 5649831 Killer the Buzzard
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Not to be a bitch, but you misspelled "misspell".

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 13:58 | 5648594 weburke
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my guess is that the bush folks wanted the paul family to self identify as insane. 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 18:54 | 5649434 Larry Dallas
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Well written, Ron epitomizes the end of a generation or a legacy. Today's kids are so dumbed down with social media that they can't read a book. I shutter to think of the bitter, entitled adults they will become.

Its unfortunte as it is true.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 02:43 | 5647693 diesheepledie
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fuck

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 14:05 | 5648610 Tall Tom
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Your satire escaped too many.

 

+1 Greenie for you.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 14:25 | 5648632 Demdere
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Complete BS, of course.

There is no war with Islam, france has more skinheads than jihadis.  When the CharlieHebdo affair is finally investigated, it will be shown to have been controlled by someone's intelligence service, CharlieHebdo funded by someone's intelligence service, etc.

Get your mind around it, 9-11 was a false flag operation.  You don't need to even look at the actual evidence, just look at the people.  How many scientists, engineers, pilots or military people now defend the gov's position?   vs how many continue to add their names to the doubters?

Go read the Juan Cole piece on the French Muslims.  Polls say only 2M are religious, the rest just Algerian ethnics.  And the young men who committed this outrage weren't particularly Muslim religious.  And they are denounced by the head of Hezbollah as making his organization look bad.

Cherry-pick your evidence, block out the context, you can prove the Pope is Jewish.

But your opinions have no basis in any objective attempt to understand these issues.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 16:50 | 5649052 Tall Tom
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diesheepledie wrote, "My attention span has been shortened by twitter and fox news. I would have more to say but I cannot read an article this long"

 

He expressed amazement for someone buying into that satire by writing the expression, "Fuck"

 

I replied that they did not understand his sarcasm expressed through satire.

 

Now just how in the hell did you dream up your response to what I wrote is just too damned incoherent for any response..

 

What the fuck?!?

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 22:52 | 5650110 neidermeyer
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Pedophile pervert ,, I have property near Nauvoo ,, you know Joe Smith attempted to block the Mississippi and put in "toll booths" for barges but he failed because he hit bedrock when digging the small canal that was to bypass the narrows... The founders of Mormonism were all egomaniac pedophile perverts that used people to try to build a business empire... no real difference between them and the Scientologists except that the Mormons flavored their brand of bullshit with a sprinkling of Christianity .. otherwise it was designed as a fantasyland for the men...

 

You really have to wonder why their "religon" punishes anyone that questions it's teachings... They hand out $millions$ when you become an elder but it has strings , it's a loan ,,, and as most will blow the money they cannot afford to be sued for the return of funds they have spent/lost...

 

It's about control.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 22:59 | 5650128 El Oregonian
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Zipppooo500!

Mon, 01/12/2015 - 11:44 | 5651322 JRobby
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Who are the latter day saints?

How do you become one?

(no card tricks are allowed (Don Novello)

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 11:07 | 5648150 UncleDirtNap
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It amazes me that even as events unfold in France people still insist on believing the Code Pink & Ron Paul distortions of history and believing that any country's policy or action is responsible for the 1400+ year conflict between Islam and every other culture and country it has ever come into contact with on the planet.

 

For the last half centry France has maintained the very polices advocated by Ron Paul, they've bent over backward to not only distance themselves from US policy in the Middle East but worked to thwart it, violated international sactions and continued to aid, assist, do business with and provide comfort to citizens of states sponsoring terrorism.  From fighting against Hamas and Hezbollah being designated as terrorist organizations to maintaining open borders to immigrants from Middle East states France is the epitome of the type of policies Ron Paul advocates and look where it's gotten them?  Multiple "o-go zones" where French civil authority has ceded control to residents who enforce Sharia law and Jews fleeing the country for their safety.

Even Thomas Jefferson recognized the ever present threat that is Islam and sent US military forces to Tripoli in 1805.  It wasn't any policy of India's that led to Muslim armies to invade and massacre 10 million Hindus while creating Pakistan, no policy of Persia's led it being destroyed and millions of it's people being slaughterd so Iran could be built on top of the rubble and so on and so forth for 1,400 years it's gone.

16 dead because of a friggin cartoon ... wtf up. 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 12:18 | 5648318 oddball
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What the fuck are the French doing in Mali?

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 18:07 | 5649305 Bay of Pigs
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Indeed. French history is drenched in blood.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 19:53 | 5649619 HowdyDoody
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Keeping the exploitable resources safe for western corporate hands.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 12:39 | 5648365 AmericanFUPAcabra
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What were the French doing in Vietnam in the 60s? Promoting peace? Fighting terrorism.....?

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 14:41 | 5648679 Bunghole
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If you think 16 died because of political cartoon, please dont reproduce.

The slaughter of the innocent was for the greater good of the tribe.

Israel uber alles.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 16:42 | 5649035 lunaticfringe
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And just exactly what did you accomplish Mr. Independent? Voting and party affiliation is a fool's errand but don't let all of the evidence dissuade you. Get out there and vote for the next wave of sociopaths, mouthpieces, and self serving politicians. The aristocracy runs this place and it does so precisely because people like you haven't figured out- you have no say in the matter.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 19:37 | 5649566 Pareto
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you're fucking retarded

Tue, 01/13/2015 - 02:12 | 5654508 lunaticfringe
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Lol. Don't let 50 years worth of proof get in your way numb nuts.

Mon, 01/12/2015 - 05:30 | 5650645 Adahy
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Less than 1/4 of us remain on the res. by the way.  Most of us are out here, with you, in the same leaky boat; since under the gov's thumb is not a nice place to be, especially for us.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 19:02 | 5646721 Barnaby
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Sweet. I didn't know that about his domain.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 19:42 | 5646835 Sorry_about_Dresden
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I read your link and find it almost as confusing as RPs manefesto.

I think I see your point and agree.

Let's send the Isrealites back to the delta of the Volga river and give them their real homeland:

Khazaria

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 21:41 | 5647156 James_Cole
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Really? What's confusing about it? This one is maybe more explicit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Removal_Act

While Native American removal was in theory voluntary, in practice great pressure was put on Native American leaders to sign removal treaties. Most observers, whether they were in favor of the Indian removal policy or not, realized that the passage of the act meant the inevitable removal of most Indians from the states.

The Removal Act paved the way for the reluctant migration of tens of thousands of American Indians to the West, an event widely known as the "Trail of Tears," a resettlement of the native population.

The Second Seminole War lasted from 1835 to 1842 and resulted in the government allowing the Seminoles to remain in the South Florida swamp. Only a small number remained, and around 3,000 were killed in the war between American soldiers and Seminoles.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 21:54 | 5647190 nmewn
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You find it remarkable that nation-states sign treaties amongst themselves that they never intend to uphold in perpetuity?

Well, that is remarkable, maybe more diplomacy is needed ;-)

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 22:24 | 5647270 James_Cole
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Not sure that's the takeaway. 

The wiki article has some nicely diplomatic language though.

The Removal Act paved the way for the reluctant migration of tens of thousands of American Indians to the West

Referring to the trail of tears as 'reluctant migration' (particular ex. the cherokees) is not too far off from saying German Jews 'reluctantly migrated' to auschwitz. 

Some state dept. official was probably fucking with the wiki. 

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 23:06 | 5647358 nmewn
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Well actually it is the takeaway.

Diplomats negotiate between their respective nations and the proposal(s) is/are brought forward for agreement. A vote is held confirming the treaty both sides agreed to...in perpetuity...forever.

If one side grows in power over the other they break the treaty by force, as there is no consequence. Treaties are either adhered to voluntarily or abrogated by force by either party.

They are paper & ink, nothing, theres nothing mystical or newsworthy about a signed treaty unless someone makes their living off of or survives a little longer because of it. They are, in my estimation, just a delay till final confrontation between two or more parties where force is used.

But some people seem to be inraptured by the mechanics & nuance of it all.

I am not one of those.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 02:28 | 5647682 James_Cole
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Nice to know one of the most important (and debated) property rights cases in american law is so trivial lol 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 09:38 | 5647958 nmewn
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The Indian Nations settled their "property rights issues" among themselves with (wait for it, wait for it)...weapons, so whats your point?

This isn't open for fourth grade debate James, its certifiable fact.

//////

Little Johnny, in the back of the class has his hand raised.

Yes, Johnny? ;-)

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 09:40 | 5647986 Charming Anarchist
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Little Johnny believes everything his teacher tells him in pew-blic school like a good boy.  He never questions his-story books. 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 09:41 | 5647988 nmewn
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Its fucking amazing, it really is.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 11:40 | 5648225 Calmyourself
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The indoctrination removes their real ability to think, to weigh facts and determine through an understanding of real human nature how the world really works..  This is what makes them so easy to manipulate and hence dangerous to authentic humans like us.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 14:45 | 5648685 Tall Tom
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What blows my mind is that people fail to realize that a contract (which is what a treaty is) is only as good as the parties whom stand behind it. It is just the same with the US Constitution.

 

How many times, for expedience sake, has the restrictions upon Government, as well as the Civil Rights which the Framers espoused, been abrogated?

 

The current US Government, for instance, has broken its contract with the people whom empowered it, the US Constitution, so many times that it amazes me that these people still believe in the veracity of those in the US Government.

 

When the President of the United States, George W. Bush, declared that it was "just a God Damned piece of paper." then that should have been the clue that the current Government is no longer a legitimate Government.

 

The statist, as James Cole, and even to an extent, Ron Paul, just refuse to see that reality that the United States, the initial concept, DIED and is an absolute failure.

 

Even Ron Paul is deluded as he really believes that there is hope if the people change their mind to becoming Liberty embracing. The flaw with his philosophy is that most people will opt for enslavement because they believe they are secure.

 

The Empirical Evidence is all but undeniable. Here is just a small example of the prevalent underlying attitude. (Now I could have used the "Welfare Recipient", whom surrender freedom for security, but I believe the working man, the wage earner, to be more evidential of this fact and is the most strongly deluded of his own attitudes toward freedom..)

 

It is a fact that most want to be employed by somebody else, thus sub SERVient, to large Corporate whims and edicts. They believe that they are "secure" while in reality they are subject to being laid off.  They are told what to do, when to do it, and how to do it. There is no freedom in that.

 

(Then they will come up with the most cliche responses, as excuse, for their option to forego their own  Liberty. "Everybody cannot be a Chief.". Why not? "Uhhhh".)

 

Far fewer will desire "Self Employment", take the risks, enjoy the LIBERTY, and depend upon their own skills to plot their own path. That takes EFFORT...and, the Good Lord forbid, INDEPENDENT THINKING.

 

Those Dependent upon another for their employment fail in this regard as they have DEPENDENT THINKING. They were taught, from the cradle, to DEPEND UPON OTHERS. They were molded by the schools to be the SERVANT Class.

 

Finally there are even far fewer that will provide jobs for others.

 

The Wage Slaves are the most deluded of all.

 

So if you are seeking hope, there is NONE.

 

As I know that you are aware, so I repeat this for those whom are unaware, the ONLY PERSON that is giong to help you is YOU. And YOU had best get that through your head as we are going to be in for one hell of a ride when this whole damned system unravels.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 15:45 | 5648870 James_Cole
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The thing I don't get is you're calling me out a statist and then basically saying the same thing in the first half of this comment as I was commenting earlier. 

Only real difference is I pointed out that governments will always be employed by the few to enrich themselves unless there is a competitive force (typically in sheer human numbers not $ etc.) to restrain it. 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 16:05 | 5648908 Tall Tom
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You are a statist, James..

 

I have read many of your posts over the past year or more. That is my impression. Now I may be mistaken...

 

The main difference is that you SUPPORT the Status Quo. (Note the root word STATE) whereas I do not.

 

The solution to Government is not more Government...

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 17:14 | 5649128 James_Cole
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Yeah I get called a statist on here frequently, though I find it interesting that my views are often not that much different than a lot of posters (as evidenced by your comment above). It seems a few views - my bearish take on gold, pro education, non-adoration of RP, support of unions etc. - have got me branded statist. 

It's funny also that people say I support the status quo, so? Are you living entirely off the grid in a forest? Pretty sure not, don't think anyone else currently on zh is. In one way or another everyone on zh (including tylers) is supporting the status quo. Hence the name status quo. RP, big freedom fighter, managed to be a career politician talking a lot of hopium - how much did he affect the status quo? Cheques still cleared I bet.

If I was king there are lots of things I'd like to see changed drastically but I'm nearly as irrelevant to the big forces as it gets. As with most on zh, philosophically the status quo and I are at complete odds. 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 17:59 | 5649246 Tall Tom
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You are not entirely off grid posting on the Internet, James. You are still connected as well.

 

(I know...A technicality I guess.)

 

But most on ZH are fighting it. Many have withdrawn financial support.

 

Many reject the currency, the US Dollar, as it is a currency of corruption, James. Even the Holy Bible writers speak on refined Gold. Jesus tossed out the Moneychangers out of the Temple....not once...but twice. We reject the corruption, James.

 

I do not worship Gold. I do not give a damn about the price except that I wish to see it DECLINE so that I can get more. But I most definitely do not worship the US Dollar either.

 

So if you support the currency of the state, the currency of corruption, can you really be astonished that people, here, will call you a statist?

 

And concerning the issue that if you were King, James?

 

Guess what? That is what we have been trying to tell you all along. YOU ARE SOVEREIGN. You have all of the rights that any King has. If you do not like the Status Quo then exercise your Sovereign Rights. I exercise my sovereign rights. You can too.

 

The US Constitution was novel in that. Those Bill of Rights were amazing. Back in those days only Sovereigns, Kings, had those rights, James. Those are not Civil Rights. That is anotherr misnomer. Those are your SOVEREIGN RIGHTS.

 

Now while I am for education I am against INDOCTRINATION, James. Hell I love education James. I am an educator, a facillitator. I love knowledge and information. I am a culture vulture and an information junkie. I have a love for learning. I am excited about exploration of both inner and outer space. 

 

It saddens me that this love for learning is stifled by our regimented schools.

 

My best friend teaches Elementary School in Las Vegas. Did you know that the children at his school were not allowed, whatsoever, on the playground? Did you knw that the Special Ed Kids were locked down in their classroom EvERY SINGLE DAY with an ARMED Las Vegas, NV, POLICEMAN standing guard? This was happening FIFTEEN YEARS AGO. These were EIGHT YEAR OLDS.

 

Is that right? Come on... I would not have believed it but I WATCHED IT. And somehow I do believe my lying eyes.

 

Come on man...

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 19:16 | 5649495 James_Cole
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So if you support the currency of the state, the currency of corruption, can you really be astonished that people, here, will call you a statist?

I'm not astonished, no. Reminds me of a recent convo with my sibling - scientist, environmentalist, agw believer - strategically buying oil equities. After giving some lame-brained rationalization they admitted that it's just the reality of the world we live in. 

With USD and UST, that's reality. You can claim all your high-minded motivations for purchasing gold but at the end of the day what few will admit is their primary motivation is to make a big return off of a particular theory of currency collapse. I've said what seems obvious enough in the past 2 years, USD / UST were better bets at that time. Reality is what it is. You call it statism I call it pragmatism. 

Is that right? Come on... I would not have believed it but I WATCHED IT. And somehow I do believe my lying eyes.

And the alternative is always superior? At a private school an acquaintance sends his kids (which incidentally teaches the same ~exact curriculum as the public schools) they have all the security you expect but he felt one area was lacking.. they needed a giant ass wall around the place. So he graciously gifted the (substantial) funds to make that happen. As some kind of libertarian he probably wanted to name it the freedom wall. Oh and the 'private' school is largely funded by government as you'd expect and no doubt he got some tax breaks for his education wall.  

Lots of Europe has good public education standards and availability for low cost / free to those who are interested.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 20:29 | 5649752 nmewn
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So James, I gotta know, what was your real intent behind stating the obvious that the US broke most of its treaties with the Indians and used force to compel them to move against their will?

You're not a complete dumbass, you had to know Indians did the same to each other and "the white man". It was to inflict white-guilt wasn't it?

You should read up on Peter Minuit.

He was the Dutchman who purchased Manhattan Island from Seyseys, chief of the Canarsee in 1626, well before the founding of the USA but lets not get bogged down in details. You might remember this transaction from your fourth grade history class James, it was for $23 dollars worth of beads (not really, but whatever).

You might also be interested to know the indians swindeled him. The Carnarsee didn't own the island, fully 3/4 of it was claimed (owned, if you will) by the Weckquaesgeeks while the Carnarsee had a small village on the southside. They kept their end of the bargain all right, they moved away leaving the Dutch to press their claims against an enraged Weckquaesgeeks.

In the "white-mans" world its called fraud James.

But let your heart not be troubled, the Canarsee were wiped out by the Montauk's and if I told you of the slavery, rape, barbarity and tribute paid to keep from being attacked by other noble indian tribes you'd probably melt down into a puddle of "progressive" goo.

So I won't ;-)

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 21:15 | 5649883 James_Cole
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You're not a complete dumbass, you had to know Indians did the same to each other and "the white man". It was to inflict white-guilt wasn't it?

White guilt is one of those things likely dreamed up by some PR asshole - on the face of it it's largely nonsensical (how can one be guilty / feel guilty for crimes committed by others in the past?) with a ridiculous pretence of guilt by association of race. 

Also ignores that every step of the way there have been large groups of white people opposing many of policies associated with white guilt and there have been many white people negatively affected by such policies. A cursory reading of history also suggests that as with a lot of egregious government actions the beneficiaries have disproportionately been a small group of elites. 

So no, not white guilt. That's not to say white people as a group aren't treated better as the majority race in the US, but again not much different than majority racial groups elsewhere. To clarify, that's not to suggest ex. black people are treated anywhere near equal but it's mostly an elite vs. prol dynamic. 

My point was to RP's post (he likes to keep things only a few decades deep for obvious reasons) that this has always been a primary function of the US government (and all governments) toward the weak, I just used that as one particular historical example not trying to pretend the US has some monopoly on the behavior. 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 22:47 | 5650095 nmewn
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So, after gotten beaten about the head & shoulders with historical context...

"So no, not white guilt. That's not to say white people as a group aren't treated better as the majority race in the US, but again not much different than majority racial groups elsewhere."

How do you define "white" then? For example, Hispanics are white aren't they?

"My point was to RP's post (he likes to keep things only a few decades deep for obvious reasons) that this has always been a primary function of the US government (and all governments) toward the weak, I just used that as one particular historical example not trying to pretend the US has some monopoly on the behavior."

Well they don't and you went back to a point in history of your choosing.

Just ask Robert Mugabe, racist fucktard that he is, I can do it too.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 22:11 | 5649994 amadeus39
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As long is there is "an other" an individual is never free. And since no man is an island entire unto itself, we'll have to work things out together. Therefore, send not to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee. Never, ever give up the peaceful struggle.

 

Mon, 01/12/2015 - 07:07 | 5650691 nmewn
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I think everyone wants it to work out or none of us would be on ZH but I draw the line at freedom & liberty and if it involves taking out the guy on the island beside me who's trying to take it, while whispering sweet platitudes about "peaceful struggle" in my ear...then so be it.

A little more "peaceful struggle" will no doubt involve all kids being forced by law to buy a GM vehicle on their eighteenth birthday because it is deemed an economic & societal necessity & benefit.

Maybe it'll be called HillaryCar.

Mon, 01/12/2015 - 09:23 | 5650853 Raymond K Hessel
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I agree with you 100%.  

Add to that the realization about how an IQ of 100 was supposed to mean the average intelligence of a human being, only to find out that the highest average of IQ by the country is 98, a distinction held by the US and maybe Japan and the UK.

That means more than half of Americans have an IQ less than 100! 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 19:10 | 5649480 MiltonFriedmans...
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For those interested in the real source of the problem, answer the following question: What do Rome, the City ofLondon and Washington DC all have in common?

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 01:45 | 5647637 Greenskeeper_Carl
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"You find it remarkable that nation states sign treaties amongst themselves that they never intend to uphold ...."

No shit. In other news, water is wet

Mon, 01/12/2015 - 00:24 | 5650340 needfiatforBBB
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anyone thats ever played risk knows that for sure

Mon, 01/12/2015 - 12:46 | 5651567 sainchaw
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thats cute, a wikipedia reference. 

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 22:14 | 5647160 weburke
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Sat, 01/10/2015 - 23:18 | 5647383 A Nanny Moose
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So your two gripes about RP (which are no more than Ad Hominem) invalidate all of Ron Paul's other ideas?

What exactly is your point?

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 00:55 | 5647562 Greenskeeper_Carl
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He is just trolling, he did the same thing on RPs article the other day. I wrote out a couple of reasoned responses to him, he never really responded to any of them, never refuted anything I said. Even if you don't agree with RP on everything, he has dedicated his life to the preservation of liberty, which is more than you can say about any of the other creatures who inhabit our elected govt. I was glad to be able to meet him and thank him in person for opening my eyes. There isn't another one out there like him, he will be missed. I had hoped his son would carry the torch, but Rand is just another garden variety republican.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 01:23 | 5647600 Keyser
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With the rise in readership of ZH via links on Drudge and others, we have to expect the dis-information trolls to be out thick and heavy... It's what TPTB do in an attempt to invalidate the truth when it slips out... If I were the Tylers, I would stay away from tall buildings and nail guns... 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 01:28 | 5647607 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Ha ya it's been getting out of hand since all this Putin shit started. But I just don't understand why so many people insist on arguing with them. Too many are so obviously trying to distract and steer the conversation towards irrelevancy. There are several that I no longer bother responding to, looks like it's time to add another to the list

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 02:22 | 5647675 James_Cole
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With the rise in readership of ZH via links on Drudge and others, we have to expect the dis-information trolls to be out thick and heavy... 

I've been on zh as long as you and greenskeeper ~combined. 

Pointing out that Ron Paul sued his supporters through the UN on a bullshit intellectual copyright claim is NOT simply ad hominem as it directly countradicts many of his core claims. 

RP's article above is basically a meandering rant restating various things he has said a zillion times before. There's no real argument other than: freedom = good, american policy = bad, freedom movement will save everyone somehow through free market and shit. Nothing specific, just the same liberty / free market blah blah etc. the man often drones on about. 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 09:31 | 5647980 Keyser
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Yes, you've been here longer than me, although after suffering through your posts, you obviouslty have a contrarian point of view to most here... The question is, do you like swimming upstream? 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 10:52 | 5648131 Bendromeda Strain
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But I'm sure the multitude of posts you have inflicted on ZH are all value added, right Junior? I was Crime of the Century for a year before I switched to Bendromeda Strain, which means I remember ZH radio, (we miss your biting wit, Marla) and the concise predictions of Project Mayhem. It was a shit ton load better then without the pontifications of the likes of you and the rest of the contrarian diaper brigade. See, here's the deal - you knew the essay was by RP, but you couldn't resist the urge to come in here and comment vomit. Why? Easy, your egotistical self aggrandizement requires it.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 11:54 | 5648245 dark pools of soros
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Oh this is rich...  Marla's biting wit?  Actually Marla could just take a shit and flocks of sucking sychophants would shower her with accolades..  and I bet you really listen to downtempo music at all right?? FUckking overly biased jackasses is what this site is with your mocking of 'contrarian diaper bridage'.

All that means is you and the likes of you want your ZH pacifer shoved deep in you and hate when anyone rattles your crib

 

 

 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 23:02 | 5650142 sonoftx
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Occam's razor my boy. That is why you don't argue with a fool. In the end all arguments come down to a few simple facts that you must repeat over and over and over; and a fool cannot understand even the simplest of arguments.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 00:57 | 5647563 Greenskeeper_Carl
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...

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 10:55 | 5648133 Bendromeda Strain
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Go ahead Carl, tell him how you really feel. He needs the attention.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 17:04 | 5646389 Liberal
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As a staunch liberal, I will strongly condemn Ron Paul's views and never ever worry about civil liberties as long as my Dear Leader Obama and Honorable Eric Holder are in charge. But I will resume worrying about our civil liberties when dems lose control of the White House and republicans pursue the same policies of Obama and Holder.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 17:07 | 5646407 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Something tells me that very little about your views is, in fact, progressive.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 20:33 | 5646903 booboo
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EML:
Progress is weighed on the scales of liberty and there is nothing less liberating then a continued whining for more government. But Progs have always used deception and the bastardization of language to mask their true intentions.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 21:39 | 5647151 nmewn
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The "progressives" of today have a very bad habit of waiting for the brightest of their dim bulbs to speak up and then falling in line behind them.

And so it was with "shovel ready jobs" (Nanny-State Save Us From What We Have Done!, which made the rich, richer) with Man Made Global Warming (as we freeze our asses off) with Ferguson (Hands Up, Don't Shoot!) which never even happened according to black eyewitnesses and creating feel good hastags they so admire, requiring little effort, sweat or blood like #BringOurGirlsHome and the latest indigestible dish of "Its completely understandable that muslims kill people who offend them!"

Yes, its all verrry "progressive"...lol..afterall, they are well known lovers of art & liberty & freedom of expression & laissez faire.

As long as it doesn't cost them anything ;-)

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 18:20 | 5649357 Tall Tom
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Something tells me that very little about your views is, in fact, progressive.

 

 

EML

 

LMAO. Did you just figure that out?

 

Greenie for you. Thanks for the humor.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 17:37 | 5646528 Escrava Isaura
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Nothing could be more simple than opening up a few interest-free credit facilities and allowing people and small and medium businesses to refinance their mortgages and business loans there. This would kill the banks overnight, end the depression and Globalism.

Transnationals would fade away, as they would be hammered in the market by small and medium business, no longer restrained by scarce and expensive capital.

Wage slavery would end and self-employment would become the norm. A working week of max 20 hours would suffice and the standard of living for normal people would vastly improve.

 

It is the exact opposite of what Ron Paul was promising.

 

http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2014/01/16/lets-forget-about-ron-paul-its-time-to-move-on/

 

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 19:34 | 5646816 g speed
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and what about taxes? and corruption in gov't and an abusive police cuture? and race baiting? and religious zealotry? and the intitlement culture?---"all solved by opening a few interest-free credit facilities"? You should change your name to Shallow Hal.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 20:37 | 5646998 TuPhat
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No one with a brain loans money without interest.  Thats what it costs for anyone to accept risk with their capital.  If you eliminate risk then you have to have a gov. even more repressive than the one we have now.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 21:00 | 5647070 Escrava Isaura
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Your ignorance about Money and Usury-Debt is not a surprise.

a) By Margrit Kennedy

If Joseph the father of Jesus would have invested one penny at his birth at 5% interest, and Jesus would have returned to the same bank in 1990 - at the time of the German unification - he would have been able to buy, with the money accrued in the meantime, 134 billion balls of gold of the weight of the earth, based on the official price of gold at this time.

 

This shows mathematically that the continual payment of interest and compound interest over a longer period of time is practically impossible. And explains why we have economic and social breakdowns.

 

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.converge.org.nz%2Fevcnz%2Fresources%2Fmoney.pdf&ei=YEUlVJKWN9CUsQS8qoG4Cw&usg=AFQjCNE5OvSWx2rSJhlyngc1nFrJFgV_1w&sig2=JFevCL8UtTx3uDHNC-ScJg&bvm=bv.76247554,d.cWc

 

 

b) To Fail: That’s What is on the Menu

By KOBE BEEF, at Zero Hedge:

A modern nation under fiat debt control is akin to a people farm. In the initial part of the cycle, the extension of fiat credit allows for the expansion of the farm, investments in infrastructure, and progresses toward the rearing and shearing of greater numbers of consumer livestock.

The farm grows. Debt grows. Payments received for debt grow. But, due to the laws of diminishing returns and compounding interest, the farm eventually reaches a point where shearing the existing stock no longer pays for the interest demanded by the creditors. The farm, while remaining somewhat productive, is rendered unprofitable.

In this phase of the cycle, the operations of the farm tends toward skinning the livestock, with no attention paid to growing the herd or maintaining its condition. At the final stage in the cycle, the farm and all its flock must be liquidated. The land is cleared, and the cycle can begin again.

The liquidation phase is called war. We are not seeing desperation here, but rather the planned liquidation of a farm by creditors who explicitly profess people to be nothing more than cattle.

Our democratically-elected/creditor-selected managers are complicit in the process. End the credit, end the cycle. Eliminate the creditors, or be slaughtered anew.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-27/nato-deploy-tanks-eastern-europe-shortly-after-vp-europarliament-says-ukraine-russia#comment-5495497

 

 

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 22:21 | 5647264 nmewn
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Margrit Kennedy is off her rocker.

For one thing, Jesus didn't need money or interest and Joseph knew it. For another, Jesus overturned the money changers tables in the temple because it doesn't belong there. And lastly, time is a reality among men.

Margrit either doesn't know this, understand this or ignored it to make some asinine contract point.

Now, if she's saying debt & interest that transcend time via government to enslave the unborn, so the living who support this insanity don't have to go without their i-shit & EBT cards, then that is a cogent point.

What she said there is stupid.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 22:52 | 5647326 Escrava Isaura
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Firstly: We are ruled not by governments anymore but by financial powers that use interest-bearing debt to exert control over governments, corporations, and people.

Almost all other political issues with which we concern ourselves are secondary symptoms of or purposeful distractions from this larger narrative that is never reported by the Wall-Street-funded media.

Sadly the church has remained silent as well.

Secondly: Explaining the details can be extremely complicated, but the basic core to understand is that the US government issues no money. Instead all money comes from private banking institutions with interest attached, i.e. 316,000,000 Americans, in debt. If the US government were not in debt to the banking system, the American people would have no money.

Thirdly: More technically, the Fed and its Wall Street cartel banks like JP Morgan Chase and Goldman Sachs make billions by doing nothing but controlling our money. They have the monopoly license to create the core money in our system from holding US Treasury bonds on their balance sheets. These bonds represent the debt of the United States. Thanks to interest, the bonds pull a large portion of our wages to the banks. The primary purpose of the IRS is to take your wages to pay the interest back to the banks.
So this system is guaranteed to fail due to not only the impossible math, but also the fundamental immorality.

Taken together those five issues paint a horrible picture. Republicans blame Democrats and vice-versa. Nope. It’s all a very simple result of a system based on usury, which used to be considered profoundly immoral. It was a fundamental violation of every major religion. It still is for Islam, but Christianity succumbed long ago.

 

Fourthly: Living off the backs of others was called feudalism 300 years ago. It was slavery 100 years ago. Today it’s called the “free market” thanks to the propaganda and fraud of neoclassical economics.

On this issue of monolithic usury, the issue from which many of our other problems spawn, the church seems to have no voice. Recently, an older church leader told me, “Keep it up, this needs to be addressed, but you have more guts than me, I don’t want to be killed.”

Sobering comment, to be sure, but in the shadow of Gandhi, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Oscar Romero, and Martin Luther King, is the church now impotent?

Are its leaders now too afraid to speak truth to power, to stand against darkness? Or is the problem that the church is, like most of us, fooled by the myth that we live in a free market so we don’t realize we are immersed in an immoral system of controlling usury?


Lower class Greek citizens are now learning the painful truth about the mythical free market. So will the Europeans and Americans, very soon.

 

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/23067

 

 

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 23:15 | 5647376 nmewn
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A wall of text is no way to make a point.

I can sum up everything you said in a few words, democracy can never work for bleating beggars because someone will always find a way to profit from the bleating and this is all done by acts of law.

Now, who's side are you on? ;-)

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 00:10 | 5647482 Escrava Isaura
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Not sides, but the ‘Butterfly Principle’.


Sun, 01/11/2015 - 01:06 | 5647574 Greenskeeper_Carl
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What you seem to fail to grasp with all your rambling is that in a free market system, we wouldn't be forced to use these debt coupons you speak of. A free market would allow the use of any means of exchange agreed to by the two parties conducting the transaction. The govt enforces this monopoly of Monopoly money on the entire world at gun point. In no way can a same person refer to what we have today as a free market. There is nothing wrong with lending people capital at interest. The interest isn't the problem. The problem is they are creating money out of thin air and lending it at interest. Or, in the case of the fed, creating it out of thin air and lending it to the govt, which really means the taxpayer, at interest. Before you criticize the idea of a free market, answer this: in the past couple decades which have seen so much economic and social deterioration, would you say we have moved more towards, or more away, from truly free markets?

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 12:39 | 5648367 dark pools of soros
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Actually usury is the worst sin and act against nature there is.  As someone said long ago, Murder at least frees a man from his troubles, Usury bleeds him continually

 

Money from money is an abboration. 

 

The whole game of it is to prey on man's cravings and depraving satisfactions to exploit environmentally amplified injected desires that people don't even need. 

 

You say people need credit and loans..  I say fuck you, no one does.

Mon, 01/12/2015 - 09:18 | 5650842 Raymond K Hessel
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Dark Pool,

if you mean people who use credit to finance household goods and lifestyle, such as using credit cards at the Home Depot or restaurants, then I agree with you that people should not take out loans for that but I don't agree that people should be protected from their choices by making it illegal to take out a loan.

If you mean a person can't take out a loan for anything, then I can't support that. People finance small businesses, cars, and other large ticket items to get to work, start a business, buy supplies, etc.  

Mon, 01/12/2015 - 14:55 | 5652142 Greenskeeper_Carl
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in a free society, people would be able to borrow money from other people for whatever they want, and a rate of interest set by the free market. What we have nowadays is an abomination with will soon be shredded to pieces by reality

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 01:38 | 5647629 TheReplacement
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If you won't pick a side, what use are you?  Get out.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 18:30 | 5649384 Tall Tom
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I can sum up everything you said in a few words, democracy can never work for bleating beggars because someone will always find a way to profit from the bleating and this is all done by acts of law.

 

Not acts of law, nmewn. No.  Laws are meaningless without resources or funding. (See Obamacare.) Until somebody wants to put their money where their mouth is then nothing happens. Money talks and bullshit walks.

 

So if not an act of Law then how? It is done through Acts of War as we finance it through the plunder of Foreign Nations.

 

It is the Wefare/Workfare/WARFARE State. It works together, in tandem, with all parts working with the other for the result.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 23:25 | 5647394 A Nanny Moose
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If the US government were not in debt to the banking system, the American people would have no money.

Horseshit. Coins, even the debased verions we have now, are not debt instruments as are FRNs. So much for debt free money...again.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 00:15 | 5647491 Escrava Isaura
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“Any fool can know. The point is to understand.” -Albert Einstein

 

 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 21:19 | 5649895 g speed
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I'm a day late here but understand this--"neither a borrower nor a lender be"  --it's a little thing my grandma taught me---followed it all my life and it has kept me out of trouble for sure--

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 18:42 | 5649408 Tall Tom
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Horseshit. Coins, even the debased verions we have now, are not debt instruments as are FRNs. So much for debt free money...again.

 

And just how many Coins are in circulation? How will they be used to retire the debt? That is fucking laughable, ridiculous and ludicrous.

 

Besides whom shall I believe, the former Chairman of the Federal Reserve, the one that the Building in Washington D.C. was named after? Or you?

 

Just what are your credentials, A Nanny Moose? Just what other evidence that you have to support that the Coins themselves were not borrowed into existence as a CONSEQUENTIAL effect?

 

 

These statements were made during hearings of the House Committee on Banking and Currency, September 30, 1941. Members of the Federal Reserve Board call themselves "Governors." Governor Marriner Eccles was Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board at the time of these hearings:

Congressman Patman: "How did you get the money to buy those two billion dollars worth of Government securities in 1933?"
Governor Eccles: "Out of the right to issue credit money."
Patman: "And there is nothing behind it, is there, except our Government's credit?"
Eccles: "That is what our money system is. If there were no debts in our money system, there wouldn't be any money."
Congressman Fletcher: "Chairman Eccles, when do you think there is a possibility of returning to a free and open market, instead of this pegged and artificially controlled financial market we now have?"
Governor Eccles: "Never, not in your lifetime or mine."

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 01:37 | 5647626 TheReplacement
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WTF with ZH lately.  Just who is downvoting nmewn on this point and upvoting the troll?

FFS this place is dying a very progressive death.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 12:59 | 5648426 Calmyourself
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I made this point earlier in the week.  Once linked by MSM, the idealogues appeared.  I saw a thread a few days back where some idiot announced his post "first".  That tells me the death rattle for this place is not far off.  It will be subverted into a pc paradise of Krugman worshipping progressive mud eating morons in no time.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 14:52 | 5648702 Bunghole
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The link on Drudge brings out the trolls

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 02:29 | 5647681 Ass Burger
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You know who else was against usury? The Nazis.

"The idea of interest on loans is the diabolical invention of big loan-capital; it alone makes possible the lazy drone's life of a minority of tycoons at the expense of the productive peoples and their work-potential; it has led to profound, irreconcilable differences, to class-hatred, from which war among citizens and brothers was born. The only cure, the radical means to heal suffering humanity is the abolition of enslavement to interest on money." —Gottfried Feder 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 03:19 | 5647713 Uber Vandal
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While the mathematics are most likely correct, trying to collect may be another matter:

http://consumerist.com/2014/11/19/wells-fargo-refusing-to-honor-widows-3...

In 1984, an Arizona man invested more than $18,000 in a Certificate of Deposit at First Interstate Bank, and then placed that CD away in his family’s personal records where it sat for 25 years. Then in 2009, after he passed away, his widow discovered the CD and attempted to cash it out, only to be denied by First Interstate’s new owner, Wells Fargo.

 

 

 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 11:55 | 5647744 gwiss
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Oh for fucks sake.  Here -- I'll make it simple for you.  In a debt based system, money can appear and disappear at will, no?  So, you need the rate of interest to be enough to cover losses from loans gone bad.  That way, the money supply actually stays stable.  If you loaned out money with no interest, then a certain percentage of that would go bad, diappear through bankruptcy, and the money supply would actually shrink.  So, think of loans going bad as the cost of doing business -- you have to cover that cost if you want to keep the lights on and the water flowing.

 

Now, the problem we have today is not the existence of interest.  It is instead the perversion of the price discovery mechanism for the use of money, the interest rate, that is supposed to keep the system stable and cannot because it has been perverted.  Hence, the system is unstable.

 

A better solution is to tie the money supply more tightly to physical reality by allowing money to be what money really is -- a desired physical commodity.  Then, you just let the constraints of physical reality keep it stable.  Viola.  Stable money supply, better predictability, more confidence to engage in longer projects to increase efficiency of use of energy that exists in limited supply, and thus a better standard of living for all.

 

The whole "interest cannot be paid back by original principle and thus any banking system that allows interest is an inherently unstable system" is a red herring.  It is a non-problem, because money is simply an overlay of energy flow.  It takes energy in the wild to make or take energy.  That is the cost of doing business, just like interest is the cost of borrowing.  But, that doesn't mean that energy flows trend towards collapse or are an inherently unstable system.  At least, not on a time frame that should remotely cause us any pause.  

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 12:01 | 5648270 SLIDINGINTOIT
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ARE YOU THAT UNINFORMED.

THE "PROBLEM WE HAVE TODAY" IS THAT THE PARASITES GOT THE US GOVERNMENT TO BORROW MONEY FROM THEM.

THE US GOVERNMENT DOES NOT NEED TO BORROW MONEY.

THE US GOVERNMENT CAN CREATE MONEY AND START USING IT.

THEY ALLOWED THE CONGRESS TO "PASS" A "BILL" ALLOWING THE US TO BORROW MONEY FROM THE ROTHCHILDS , UNNECCESARILY.

ITS A SCAM.

A SHAM.

AND ANYONE WHO DOES NOT WAKE UP TO THAT CORE TRUTH ,THE TRUTH OF THE CON, THE

AND DECEPTION. IS SLEEPWALKING, A FOOL.

 

THE TRUTH OF THE NON FEDERAL NO RESERVE ,

AND THE TRUTH OF THE FALSE FLAG OF SEPT 11, 2001 ....ARE REQUIRED, TO BE INFORMED OF REALITY, AND THE WORLD WE ARE LIVING IN.

IGNORING IT ASSISTS IN THE DESTRUCTION OF TRUTH JUSTICE FREEDOM AND DECENT MORALITY.

 

TRUTH OR THE CONSEQUENCES.

 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 23:03 | 5650138 gwiss
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Why are you yelling?  I'm right here...

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 13:59 | 5648593 Escrava Isaura
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gwiss

There's a say that goes like this:

Before speaking... Think

Before writing... Research

Otherwise you sound really stupid.....

 

Let me give you two examples:

US Total Debt: $18,084,817,920,825.53

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current

 

Interest Paid on US Debt in 2014: $431 Billion Dollars

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/ir/ir_expense.htm

 

Wait, it gets better:

Check US Private Debt (Not including financials and government) = $42 trillion dollars / 316 million Americans = $133 thousand each man, woman, and child.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/Current/accessible/l1.htm

 

Now, try to calculate, or, just guess, say, 3% interest rate?

Americans will be paying over One Trillion dollars in interest to the bankers.

 

On money the banks never had.

 

 

"All the perplexities, confusion and distresses in America arise not from defects in the constitution…, as much from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation" -- John Adams, August 25, 1787.

 

 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 23:00 | 5650115 gwiss
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I would echo that saying back at you.  No where in my post did I say that the Federal government deserved or was capable of handling the power and therefore danger of a debt/paper money system.  I would agree with you that any time govenments, and to be honest, anyone, is given the exclusive right to take resources from others by printing up more money tokens and thus diluting the value of tokens held by others, it always ends in disaster.  That's why I mentioned that a much better system is one that is based on a physical commodity, and this system can be run equally efficiently by either government agencies or non-government agencies.  It doesn't matter, as long as both are audited occasionally, because the constraints of physical commodities cannot be gamed by governments.  They don't have the power to whistle up physical commodities at the snap of their fingers, which is why they always suspend the tie that binds their money system to physical commodities any time they want to go to war.  And thus reality can provide the constraints as long as the system is adhered to, whereas constraint in a paper or debt based system is entirely predicated on human beings resisting temptation.  Which is a thin reed to lean on.

 

But.

 

This is a very different argument from saying that debt or paper money systems implode because of the existence of interest.  By conflating these two arguments, you confuse those who are too simple to see through the false mirage of the "interest makes money systems unstable" argument, because you teach them to point to the wrong thing as the source of the problem.  And thus you smear crackpot slime all over the real argument and make it difficult for those who are actually making logical arguments and are forced to stand next to you because our topics are so similar.  Which for all I know might actually be your purpose.

 

To reiterate -- paper or debt money systems are unstable.  But, they are not unstable because of the existence of interest.  And the solution I have seen you advocate in other posts, which is that simply removing all interest and allowing the free creation of debt money without limit would somehow fix the problem, is woefully and laughably wrong.  Period.

 

Now.

 

Debt or paper systems certainly do tend to CONCENTRATE money because of the principle you are talking about -- and, for that matter, so do physical based systems that allow interest.  But, this is a very different argument from saying that they contain within themselves the illogical seed of their own destruction.  Rather, it allows the emergence of dynasties.  But, even those dynasties tend to turn over.  They just do so over the course of centuries rather than the course of decades.  And you have to be patient and allow that glacial change to happen.  Getting impatient and resorting to crackpot "free money for all" bullshit just puts us all in the weeds.

 

To get you started on the path towards more logical thinking, remember that money is just an overlay.  Energy is all that really matters.  Human values are entirely subjective, and thus what really happens when you pay interest is that you don't get a full market return on the energy you expend in order to pay off your loan.  But the money supply doesn't somehow "HAVE" to expand in order for you to pay it back.

 

Remember also that the biggest offender in our current system is the presence of fractional reserve banking. Which is a problem that is also entirely independent from your fictional "usury equals collapse" BS.  The problem with fractional reserve banking is that it leads to gigantic swings in the money supply, and because human values are relative, suddenly changing the amount of money leads us to make bad investments and also become wary of embarking on longer term projects that would increase our efficiency.  Again -- a different problem than the idea that the presence of interest ensures collapse.

 

 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 23:14 | 5650184 sonoftx
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I would bet $70,000 dollars that I know more farmers and ranchers than you do. Most of them have at least 2 generations of farming and ranching in their families. How do I know they will survive? Because they NEVER borrow so much that it would put the farm-ranch at stake. And they hold cash. There are unwise people in farming and ranching just as there are in every other field.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 23:45 | 5647387 scrappy
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Good link on real currencies. The first commenter on that page was clueless regarding US Monetary History. I will correct that here and now.

http://whispersfromtheedgeoftherainforest.blogspot.com/2011/10/history-o...

http://whispersfromtheedgeoftherainforest.blogspot.com/2011/10/history-o...

http://whispersfromtheedgeoftherainforest.blogspot.com/2011/10/history-o...

Regarding Ron Paul, I supported him but the "sound money" part always was an itch I needed to scratch. I do not agree based on the above history links.

Same thing with halfway solutions like Ellen Brown. The math doesn't add up.

Regarding Von Mises, and Austrian Economics, well that was another itch I had to scratch. - -  Best have a drink when you read this one, ZH'rs.

We've been had.

http://www.energyenhancement.org/old_rothschild_and_rockefeller-Mises-Ha...

That's why I prefer our homegrown economist, Henry George.

HG loved the people and loved liberty, and hated injustice, especially poverty.

http://www.henrygeorge.org/isms.htm

His model is fair because IT ENDS PRIVILEGE.

It appeals to left, right, and Independents.

Beyond the Hegalian Dialectic.

Who was Benard Berach?

 

 

 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 01:42 | 5647635 TheReplacement
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Yeah, keep the garbage.  I'll take my chances on the far right.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 01:35 | 5647619 TheReplacement
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So your answer to big government induced problems is more big government?  Go away.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 07:20 | 5647842 Obama LaForge
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We already have a few interest-free credit facilities. They're called the Federal Reserve, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Export-Import Bank.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 21:05 | 5647081 TahoeBilly2012
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Political "funhouse" with Presidents as the clowns. Acid anyone?

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 21:46 | 5647168 nmewn
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Stay away from the brown ;-)

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 17:15 | 5646434 shovelhead
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You're full of bullshit.

Is that how it works?

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 19:39 | 5646831 sprintjump
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Son, here's your 'bullshit'... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvlUx5ECD2w

There has been no politician come remotely close.

 

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 22:38 | 5647301 Keyser
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Smoking crack again, right? 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 22:43 | 5650069 sonoftx
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I will now know not to pay attention to ANY of your posts. Thank you for exposing yourself.

Mon, 01/12/2015 - 04:12 | 5650592 Element
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"For the bullshitter it is ... is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are."

 

Ok, now please define, "the truth" ... should be fun ...

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 17:21 | 5646452 BeansMcGreens
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All Over America, Government Officials Are Cracking Down On Peppers

 

First they came for the jalapeno peppers, and i did not speak out because i don't like jalapeno peppers.

Next they came for the bell peppers, and i did not speak out because i don't like peppers.

But next they came for the cayennes, aye carumba!!!!

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 17:44 | 5646546 El Vaquero
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I'm in NM.  We'd go nuclear before that happened.  You do NOT mess with the green chile here.  PERIOD.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 14:00 | 5645896 655321
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PCR, another mouthpiece who refuses to name the people responsible.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 14:59 | 5646036 ILLILLILLI
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Stop being lazy...

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 16:00 | 5646206 serotonindumptruck
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Correct.

As with Ron Paul, they both must instinctively know that telling the absolute, undisguised Truth would result in their assassination.

Remember what happened to Paul Wellstone?

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 19:28 | 5646789 So It Goes
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"PCR, another mouthpiece who refuses to name the people responsible."

 

Yeah right.  He's making it all up.  Did you ever think that he might like to live another day.  Those who disclose too much reality seem to end up dead (Michael Hastings) or end up fleeing (Edward Snowden).

In the fullness of time - these "folks" may just turn out to be the real patriots.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 12:29 | 5648338 Oldrepublic
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PCR is interested in living a bit longer!

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 14:01 | 5645904 fauxhammer
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Thanks Ron...you're a peach of a guy.

 

But if you had a hair on your ass, you would call out the criminals BY NAME.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 14:07 | 5645916 overmedicatedun...
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hey faux, U got a hair? go out and do something, but first post it here on ZH. you got plenty of names from the info supplied here on ZH..otherwise shut up about what R Paul should do..he has grandkids and family to protect. get a clue.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 14:37 | 5645981 Stumpy4516
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All Ron Paul has to do is speak the real truth for once.  He does not have to physically charge the doors just tell the truth about.  His inability to do so and the actions of his son tell what you need to know.

Never has Paul pointed out the Fed is owned and controlled by jews.  Or pointed out all the high offices held by elected or appointed jews and dual citizen holders. 

Never has Paul been willing to discuss the inconsistencies regarding 911, Sandy Hook and others.

Paul is most likely used to control the opposition as his fans think he is actually doing something.

Paul talks in general terms such as neocons, when we know the jmafia has control of all sides of the political spectrum.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 16:46 | 5646324 Pickleton
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owned and controlled by jews

 

Let it not be lost on you that in your little anti-semitic diatribe that you are an advocate of collective guilt and it matters not how you feel about this or that, you are a totalitarian at heart.  Sorry, you outed yourself as an imbecile. 

 

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 16:49 | 5646336 Stumpy4516
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I am sorry, but the Fed IS owned and operated by jews.  If that fact is anti-semitic then you should help change the fact that the Fed is a private institution that is owned and operated by jews and every head of the Fed since (1913?) it opened has been a jew.

 

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 17:01 | 5646373 Pickleton
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Lol, please continue proving me right with your notions of collective guilt.  Of course, the Fed is only 1 thing wrong with this country and is not and never has been entirely populated by jews.  Moron.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 20:03 | 5646897 disabledvet
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Paul Volker was Jewish?

News to me.

This sure is a convoluted way to say "vote for my son" seems to me. I don't think I understood a single word.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 22:54 | 5650118 sonoftx
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You are correct. Mr Volcker is Lutheran. But if you did not understand a single word the I NEVER want to read you saying anything against our foreign policy and wars. I believe Mr Paul was very clear on this. If you did not understand what he said then you didn't learn anything from becoming a disabled vet. Remember nothing said about our foreign wars because I truly doubt that you can say it any clears than what was stated in this article.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 17:44 | 5646547 chindit13
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I'm going to recommend you find another spiritual adviser on the Streaming Lame Media that is the internet, because your current one has led you astray.

Charles Hamlin? Nope. William Harding? Nope. Daniel Crissinger, Roy Young and Eugene Black?  Nope again.  Marriner S. Eccles?  Not unless Da Jooos are doing missions for the Mormon Church.  Thomas McCabe?  Please.  William McChesney Martin? For him it was either Fed Chair or Presbytarian Minister; he chose the Fed. G. William Miller? More "no".  Paul Volcker?  Sorry, Lutheran.

Don't you feel just a little bit stupid?  Hey, but you're amongst your kind here at ZH.  Lots of dumbass wingnut bigots.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 22:14 | 5647213 Infinite QE
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Please list the amount of shares each of the listed managerial class own in the Fed.

Please also list the quantity of and the names of the non-jewish owners of the Fed.

I'll help you out. The answer to both questions resonates with zero.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 12:35 | 5648358 nope-1004
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They control the media too, in addition to money.  With both, any group / person / nation can be proven to be "anti semitic". 

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 05:05 | 5647762 Element
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Marriner S. Eccles?  Not unless Da Jooos are doing missions for the Mormon Church.

Actually that one's a bit viable, the Mormons are staggeringly Zionist, they literally believe that a ship load of Jews left the Arabian Peninsula settled and 'civilized' Central America (Lamanite Jewish badie murdering thieving Blackies) and North America (Nephite and nominally 'goodie' Jewish Whities, who like to be very prejudiced) prior to about 500 AD. The disappeared by mutual mass-murder ... or so the story goes.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 11:21 | 5648187 Cathartes Aura
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Mormons are the perfect Trojan horse for amrka.

clean, white, missionaries, patriarchal, "pioneers", wealthy - oh my, but the Mormons do love their business-suits, and ties - off the books, and backhanders, keep it in the "family" - secrets galore, including incest, child sex abuse, hidden wealth. . .

and the "genealogy" records hidden in caves - how's that for a pre-cursor to being the backbone of the NSA Bluffdale employed?  well-trained, from FBI to CIA, rewarded for their "service" with ambassadorships globally. . .

Freemason symbols on their under-garments, secret rituals in their temples, can't get a "temple recommend" pass to enter unless you pay your 10% tithing-tax. . .

all hidden in plain sight.

hey, news has it Romney is considering another run at the CEO. . .

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 12:20 | 5648316 Element
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G'day CA! Been a long time.

Yes, the underwear and the temple recommend ... no tithes = no personal planet for you.

Which is a fairly reasonable deal really. :D

The spooks agencies love them, or at least used to, because they were so hard-on for the constitution and lawful actions etc. I suspect this was mostly a play, due to past Govt interventions stemming from the polygamy thing - keep friends close and your enemies closer.

They believe the 'new Jerusalem', which will be in Kansas (!), the lord works in mysterious ways, will be the restoration of the US Constitution, among other things. So yeah, plenty of unthinking dodgy fundy fodder there for the NSA to filter to find their bot corps.

If Romney has another go its a place holder making up the numbers. Hey, it's a gig, pays OK, and he may be able to keep his dresses this time.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 15:26 | 5648800 Cathartes Aura
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aye, long time rare see you, Element, though perhaps understandably of late.

it would do some people's minds a service to do a little research around the web re: Mormons and their "history" as it entangles with amrkn history and agenda(s). . . the "personal planet" thing always makes me smile - "you too will be a God & create/manipulate your own worlds!! *sign here*" - amazing what stories people choose to believe *in* - but then, with religion?  the more fantastic, the better.

once one realises all Zionists are not "Jewish" but the majority are "white" - like their FatherGods imagined - then it really isn't hard to see the plotline.  there is much denial evident in "Western" nations, but then, they've been taught "their history" and believe in their "blessings" at being chosen to live in the "first world" - because they're chosen!  all else believed pales behind these primary narratives.

so here we are - we either participate in the beliefs, or we watch the whole story as it unfolds. . .

/popcorn

 

best wishes for the most recent numbered "year" - looks to be quite a show!

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 22:50 | 5650074 Element
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Aye to all there, Cat.

This new years I was working (so others could play-up) but as the clock rolled over I had my first beer in about 8 years because I feel this is going to be a very ugly year for many, if not most. It seems the mentality of man/woman is fit and proper for the times. If human expression over the net has taught me anything in 20 years, it's to dramatically lower my expectations of the masses - far less disappointment that way. You'd sort of think zh would be far more immune to it, but it turns out to be the reverse. But it was always going to be targeted for degradation to defang.

Keep it real Cat, great to 'see' you around again, happy new number! :)

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 00:15 | 5647496 Counterpunch
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Not every Fed head has been Jewish.

It is likely owned ultimately by European Jews, mostly, but there's apparently no way to find out.

 

In any event, it could be owned and run by one eyed purple people eaters, and the problem private central banking auses would be much the same.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 01:18 | 5647594 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Does it really fucking matter if the fed is owned by Jews or not???? Who fucking cares. It shouldn't exist. That's the point, not rather the Jews own itYou sound out of your mind if you blame Jews for the fed. If you want someone to blame for the fed, blame your fellow Americans for allowing themselves to be raked through the coals like this by allowing that institution to remain in place. And, I wish people who constantly brought that shit up weren't on the same side of the issue with me. You make it more difficult to educate people about this, because as soon as you start mentioning Jew shit, people stop listening, and miss the point. The truth is, rather or not it is a 'Jewish conspiracy' or not(it very well may be, I just don't care), the point is getting rid of it. It could be run by Martians or crab people. Doesn't matter

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 19:51 | 5646859 So It Goes
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Look at the numbers of up and down votes.  Three times as many people think that Jews are to blame.  And arguably the people here are more informed than the average of the population.  

So Jews in general are possibly going to be painted with a common brush.  A few rotten eggs in the world are going to tarnish a entire ethnic culture.  It would not be the first time in history.  Judaism is filled with celebrations of stories that are sad tragedies.  There are not that many holidays that are happy celebrations.

When economic conditions go south, I think that the thin veneer of civility is also going to go south.  I remember a report during the last economic downturn in Italy.  a crowd nearly immediately formed and shouted "Jews to the ovens".

I had a conversation with a brilliant Russian who put his life on the line to escape the Soviet Union - he grew up with Putin.  This man is a devout athesist and capitalist (and he has done exceeding well in the US).  However, because he is of ethnic Jewish background, he is liable to labeled as "The Jew who is responsible".  I asked him about this possible outcome, and I will share his response.

He said, "That is why I am armed to the teeth!"  He knows how to prepare for a last stand.

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 20:38 | 5647002 The Blank Stare
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Does he drive a white van?

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 21:29 | 5647135 The9thDoctor
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Jews get all of the blame, when it is Zionists that are running the show.

Be sure to learn the difference.

Sun, 01/11/2015 - 00:21 | 5647505 Counterpunch
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It's Jews that are running the show in terms of news and entertainment media, and in terms of foreign policy.  Yes, AIPAC et al is comprised of Zionists...  but Zionist Jews.


To claim it is 'Zionists' who run Hollywood or many of the major news corporations is to conflate a political ideology with the ethnoreligious identity of the people themselves.


This said, it should go without saying, but apparently does not, that it is never "the X" of any group, but members of that group.  One wishes that the same caution applied from the same people each time a Muslim terror attack, "false flag" or not, happens.

 

 

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