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Thank You Western Taxpayer: Russia To Accelerate $3bn Of Ukraine Debt
Just 13 short months ago - two months before then President Yanukovich was ousted - Russia lent Ukraine $3 billion (by buying their Eurobonds). As Reuters reports, the terms of that loan included a condition that Ukraine's total state debt should not exceed 60% of its GDP. As of last month, based on Moody's estimates, Ukraine has violated that condition with a debt-to-GDP of 72% (and will likely rise to 85% of GDP in 2015).. and so, according to Russian finance minister Anton Siluanov, "Russia has the right to demand early return of this loan." With European aid 'contingent on major reforms' and possibly taking up to 1 year, this leaves the good old IMF (i.e. the US and European taxpayer) to bridge Ukraine's 'gap' and ironically bailout Russia.
As Reuters reports, Russia can demand early repayment of the $3 billion loan at any time...
Ukraine has violated the terms of a $3 billion Russian loan but Moscow has not yet decided whether to demand early repayment, Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov was quoted on Saturday as saying.
Russia lent the money in December 2013 by buying Ukrainian Eurobonds, two months before Ukraine's then-president, the pro-Moscow Viktor Yanukovich, fled the country amid mass protests against his rule.
The terms of the loan deal included a condition that Ukraine's total state debt should not exceed 60 percent of its annual gross domestic product (GDP).
Last month, rating agency Moody's estimated that Ukraine's debt amounted to 72 percent of GDP in 2014 and would rise to 83 percent in 2015. It also said "the risk of default is rising".
"Ukraine has definitely violated the terms of the loan, and in particular (the condition) not to increase its state debt above 60 percent of GDP," Russia's Siluanov said, according to Interfax news agency.
"So Russia definitely has the right to demand early return of this loan. At the same time, at present this decision has not yet been taken."
But, as Bloomberg notes, the European Union "support" could take a while and it is entirely contingent upon tough reforms for Ukraine...
The European Union is considering a further 1.8 billion euros ($2.1 billion) in aid to Ukraine to help the former Soviet republic overhaul its economy, which has been ravaged by a separatist conflict in its easternmost regions.
The European Commission, the EU executive, said the fresh loans, on top of $17 billion already pledged in the International Monetary Fund-led rescue of the troubled country, were contingent on the Ukrainian government pushing through economic reform measures and fighting corruption.
The EU has provided “unprecedented financial support and today’s proposal proves that we are ready to continue providing that support,” Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said today in a statement. “Solidarity goes hand in hand with commitment to reform, which is urgently needed in Ukraine.”
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Disbursement of the aid, which must still be approved by the European Parliament and the EU’s 28 governments, will depend on Ukraine’s adherence to the conditions of the IMF program, which include fiscal consolidation, changes in the energy and banking industries, and other measures, the commission said.
This would be the EU’s third package of loans to Ukraine, following two totaling 1.6 billion euros approved last year. A final portion of 250 million euros from the earlier aid is due to be given within the first months of this year, according to the commission.
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So - while Russia 'suffers' under the thumb of plunging oil prices and a tumbling currency crisis, a simple decision to push Ukraine into early repayment could leave Europe - having paid out their entire Ukraine bailout to Russia - asking for moar help from the IMF (i.e. The US Taxpayer) to keep the 'crucial' nation state of Ukraine from default.
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Seems fair to me.
They should do it immediately.
I'm also surprised (and disappointed) Russia didnt turn off the gas pipe to Ukraine and EU after all the sanctions from EU.
>>> US citizens should go on a tax strike
Ever see a little pig walk away from the tit complaining that he is full? Me neither.
So when does little pig China margin call mother USA on its debt owed.
Unlike US mainstream Media, Britain Is Reporting ...
Screws Are Tightening On UKR...
Pictured: The Ukrainian pilot pro-Russian rebels accuse of downing MH17, killing all 298 victims on board A picture has emerged of the Ukrainian pilot alleged to have been the 'executioner' of MH17
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2904460/First-pictures-emerge-Uk...
There are conflicting accounts of who the pilot was of the SU-25 that shot down MH-17. But the evidence of the aircraft wreckage does not lie, and it tells the tale of a 30MM air to air cannon from an SU-25 targeting the the cockpit on the pilots side, with one long burst aimed directly at the pilots seat. Ground witnesses say a fighter jet was flying with MH-17 at the time it fell from the sky. Ground witnesses, on the day of the shoot down, reported seeing one or two small silver aircraft flying with the Jetliner. They heard what sounded like machine gun fire in the sky, then an explosion [most likely an air to air missle] and then the plane fell aflame.
The Ukrainian military said that No Ukrainian fighter aircraft flew any missions that day. While the people on the ground saw the planes, and the military service member who was at the Ukrainian airfield that day reported three SU-25's flying a mission, two with bombs, and one with air to air missiles. The rebels shot down two SU-25's with shoulder fired anti aircraft missiles that day, and the wreckage was filmed and photographed. [note: shoulder fired missiles can not reach the altitude of the jet liner]. So, yes, Ukrainian SU-25's did fly that day. The one with air to air missiles returned to the air field with both missiles gone. The pilot was visibly upset and mummbled about a plane "being in the wrong place at the wrong time"
The west is silent. The media is silent. The governments are silent. The Kiev Junta releases new evidence that the rebels shot the plane down, but all of it is easily debunked by research. And no Ukrainian or American has yet explained a cockpit riddled with 30MM cannon shell holes. Nobody in the west admits this evidence, and photos of this section of wreckage is often pulled down of the internet shortly after it's posted again.
Conclusion? I say 99% chance a Ukrainian SU-25 gunned and then missiled the MH-17 down. This is the ONLY scenario that fits the provable evidence. A BUK missile does not have round shrapnel like found in the cockpit, and one wing section. The wing section damage shows clearly the direction the 30MM cannon was firing from as streaks of shells are visible in straight lines across the wing section aimed directly at the cockpit area. The pilots body was mutilated, [by cannon fire], nobody has been allowed to see what evidence was found in his body. BUT, some reports from inside Urkaine say that fragments of 30MM cannon shell rounds were found. The pilto was buried and nobody is allowed access to the autopsy, except western intelligence.
Ask yourself this. The West has the perfect cause in this shoot down to aid Ukraine and send all sorts of arms and money. But, the west is silent. They would only be silent about MH-17 IF they had no story any more. Kiev lied to the west from the start, the west picked it up and ran with it. Now all evidence shows Kiev lied and now the western media is fucked!
Come on JB you are not playing the game.
Nothing to see here, move on
... hence the agreement among the investigating nations that they all have approval on the final report.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-causes-of-the-mh17-crash-are-classified...
The big war will happen before the report is released and all will be forgotten.
If evidence were presented that fingered the U.S. in this incident - enough to where credibility began to gain traction in the global media...? Just think 90 days out from press release and take it from there. Let's just say that life as we know it in the present, would 'change'...
The problem with the European Union is that it is like the United States prior to 1860; more of a confederation than an actual union. This leads to suboptimization.
Even Angela Merkel temporises rather than take decisive action. All of Europe's leaders appear to be focused on self-survival, and not on Europe's future.
Jack, surely Russian Intel is sitting on the evidence obtained from the pilots body too. Unless the Ukies found it?! I generally thought the Rebels were pulling most of the bodies.
source (airforce) says the Russian investigators fully vetted and
believe the landing ground service witness...
That pilot was some way deceived by Kyiv should not suprise.
The pilot was visibly upset and mummbled about a plane "being in the wrong place at the wrong time"
These words of the pilot meant that Kiev has used this pilot through some misinformation. The pilot did not know in advance that he must destroy a passenger plane. He flew to perform another task. Perhaps he was told that this spy plane disguised as a passenger plane.
But when the pilot knew or understood the truth, he was upset and confused. The words that the pilot said - this is his attempt to morally justify their actions to their own conscience.
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The pilot was not to blame in this villainous mass murder of innocent people!
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Putin's plane versus MH-17. They look pretty damn close.
http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/
Putin had been flying on that day on a similiar route. Could the Ukrainain pilot really be that stupid?
He may not have been able to get that close because the 777 can fly higher than an SU-25.
The Dutch Sheeples are on top of this and will not rest until Justeez prevails.
signed
Sarcy Bastard
The windmills in their mind
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Because if Russia does then nationalism or drivel for europe will rise among ukrainians . Currently more than half of ukrainains are against nato membership . Plus , Russia is supplying them so that they can supply it to Crimea . Crimeans are still talking such utilities from Ukraine putsch regime . it'll take significant time for russia to build a new one so they are managing in this way for time being .
Here we go again: Putinstan (aka Russia) is great.
It was Putin who has lost Ukraine. Now America and NATO are on his doorsteps preparing for Putinstan a Libya scenario.
Nobody thinks Russia is that great but they are playing a smarter game that the EU/US side.
You are so blind. Russia is burning all its cash with gas and oil revenue imploding. And Putin would rather BK his country than back down.
They are not burning all their cash. They have enough foriegn reserves to cover government debt for 2-3 years and the Russian private debt, if called, will severely hurt the EU banks. You think the EU can do without Russian energy and trade for that long?
They are burning cash, which means they are spend out more than they are bringing in. No one really knows at this point Russian FX levels.
We do know Russian private sector debt due in 2015 is around $150 billion USD. He has spent at least $35 billion dolars in 2014 to bailout various cronies. he has killed the Russian economy hiking rates to support the ruble.
Putin is not playing it smarter than everyone.
Good thing the US and EU aren't spending more than they're taking in. Let's take a bet on who defaults first, the Russians or the PIIGS. Then we'll have a second bet on who is harmed more by the defaults, the Russians or the EU bankers.
US debt is dollar denominated. Like it or not, we have a printing press if ti gets hot. So does the EU. Russian corporate debt is mainly USD denominated, to a lesser extent euro denominated. Ruble debt is a sliver. That's the whole trouble. If they default, they can't get finance for operations.
Russia is in trouble. Spain and Italy remain completely safe. Greece is a wild card that makes for interesting buying opportunities.
Who is harmed more? Depends on how you define "harmed and "who".
Let me give you a hint. The Russians defaulted in 1998 and they were fine a few years later. The West was only saved by Greenspan lowering rates. With ZIRP, there is no room to lower rates. The ECB and Fed can print a few trillion to save their banks, but that would only weaken their currencies vs the Ruble.
Putin only wants the west to stop the aggression and stop overthrowing elected governments on the Russian border to be replaced by US operatives.
Central Bankers suppressing Russian economyAre you high?? Spain and Italy are safe, and Russia is ruined??? Good luck with those investments.
Are you high?? Spain and Italy are safe, and Russia is ruined??? Good luck with those investments.
My girlfriend just came back from Moscow, Russia. Her family were old Soviet high Communist Party officials. They are doing quite well in Russia but are very nervous since the situation deteriorates very quickly.
The present Russian bureaucrats have a very low regard for Putin who was appointed by the previous Russia President Yeltsin who was a drunk and a thief. Putin was appointed because he was considered to be "easy managed".
Putin's elite has no idea how to run Russia. The situation is very grave:
- Russia experiences a demographic catastrophe. During the last 20 years Putin was in power, Russia lost more people than Soviet Union during the WWII
- Russia is over-flooded with Muslim immigrants
- Russian Central Bank (RCB) is controlled by the FED and IMF with Putin has very little to say about RCB operations.
- Both the USA and China are both preparing to dismember Russia at a first opportunity. However, Russia is not Ukraine. It will not be that easy. After all, Russia has about 7,000 nukes.
Don't you realise that the Ruble has fallen faster than the oil price and the gas price has not moved for Russia? This means that Russia as a State is better off now than 6 months ago. On gas, hugely so, but the MSM can't see or isn't allowed to see that.
Its a bit tough on the people getting hit by inflation but they know who is to blame and are solidly behind Putin. Lets see if the Mid West is as sympathetic with Obama when the bankrupcies start in earnest.
This is all smoke and mirrors.
Yours is the kind of stupidity or lying or both that we could do without. Russia is so much better off because it is spending billions propping up his cronies and their companies. It's so much better that implied default risk has about doubled in 2014. And their corporate sector is locked out of capital markets. That makes the state so much better... if you are a dictatorship that is going to nationalize everything on the cheap! Please don't tell me you think that would be a plus.
The midwest is not oil dependent. North Dakota and Alaska, sure, but hardly anyone lives there. No one is sympathetic to Obama He is a scumbag with all the instincts of a tryant just like Putin except that US institutions limit his scope of action. He will be gone soon in a non-violent way.
Good thing the US and EU don't have to spend money to prop up crony companies. Those poor Russians can't borrow from the loansharks in London and New York anymore? A Russian collapse means an EU collapse means a US collapse. What is it you idiots can't understand? Over 40% of EU energy comes from Russia. The economy can't function when the lights go off. Businesses collapse, banks collapse, then US banks that loaned them money collapse.
If the midwest is not oil dependent then why are steel mills starting to shut down? Why is Catapillar stock down over 20% since oil prices started collapsing? Yours is a special kind of stupid.
Repeated from above:
"US debt is dollar denominated. Like it or not, we have a printing press if ti gets hot. So does the EU. Russian corporate debt is mainly USD denominated, to a lesser extent euro denominated. Ruble debt is a sliver. That's the whole trouble. If they default, they can't get finance for operations. Russia is in trouble."
Nobody wants Russia to default, they want them to stop the aggression in Ukraine. Further, Putin is not a trusted partner for good reason. It's not personal. It's business. Dependence on energy depends on the country, and the EU will, repeat will, replace Russia as an energy source. What is Gazprom going to do anyway? Let Putin dictate their rveneue goes to zero at his whim? That's unrealistic.
Regarding your oil and steel stuff, it is silly to compare the importance of these industries in the midwest to anything catastrophic. The global economy is weak, that explains oil prices and CAT as much as anything. Regarding your collapse fears, focus on gathering and understanding facts as opposed to being hysterical.
Can't really see what in my comments would make you think that I am a stupid liar.
Anyway you spout a whole load of unthought out, out of date tosh.
I am not an American and in my previous post I used the term 'mid west' as shorthand for the part of America in which almost all the growth in jobs and actual investment in the last 5 years has taken place, the fracking belt. It is now going down the tubes if oil stays below $50. That is a US problem similar to the Russian problem due to the debt load on it.
Russia is actually a very trusted partner, supplying gas without fail under contracts into W Europe for over 50 years. The only problem was Ukraine who seemed to believe it should get its gas for free. Even now AFAIK all Russian/US contracts are being honoured even if West/Russia ones are possibly not.
If you think that the EU will stop buying energy from Russia in the next 10-15 + years you must be smoking some strange substances. It can only be done by pipes and where are they coming from or via? Turkey is the choke point and they have just signed up to TurkStream. NordStream just can't be replaced. That was gas, oil is even more difficult. Gazprom are switching to the east so no problems there.
There is a civil war in Ukraine, Russia is not even being particularly aggressive and does not want to be in the country. Don't you realise that if Russia had wanted to be aggressive it could have swept across Ukraine in June and cut off the East, probably within a week and with very few casualties. But they didn't.
You said the Russian state was better off now than it was 6 months ago. You do not seem to be a liar, just say stupid things.
The rouble is the currency in Russia, it is the one that matters to them. The rouble has dropped in value against the dollar by 90% this year, most of that in the last 2 months.
Oil and gas are priced in US$, assuming oil is spot priced and gas is contract then oil has dropped about 50% and gas by almost nothing.
I do not regard it as being stupid to assume from simple calculations based on those figures that the Russian State, run on roubles, is better off now.
It is even better off from any of those space rockets and titanium exported to the US.
A currency war is a two edged sword.
I'm not here to spoonfeed you. If you can't do even a basic google search for information about the state of the Russian economy and then connect the dots on how that affects state finances and health, then just stop polluting the internet.
Funny you are talking about polluting the internet... I had to spray around my screen with deodorizer after reading your smart and insightful comments. Glad to see my tax dollars allocated to propaganda having great effect on brainwashed idiots like you. Country is crumbling around you but you are jumping for joy that our benevolent empire is still capable of spreading mysery around the world. You need to go see shrink about your superiority complex.
No. Putin knows the western banker cabal is in control of his country and its finances. If he (and Russia) want to survive and thrive they will have to boot out the cabal. This is is chance, create inflation, tell the people who is creating it, then boot out the western bankers from his central bank. I think ultimately he will go to a gold standard and money will flood back into Russia. This will be the end of the USD hegemony.
Ultimately, I applaud Putin because he is leading his people away from the banker oligarchs (it may be to other oligarchs, but they can be exposed and brought down too once truly sound money is in place).
3 cheers for Putin for being a leader, regardless of the outcome. (this is much better than we have here in the good old USSA)....
It doesnt matter because coming us presidents will follow same path of sociopathic murders and regime change . hardly a choice for yanks to see peace .
Cronies? LOL! Like Obama, the Bushes, Clintons, Soros, Zuckerberg, and the rest? What a joke.
Obama gone soon? It will not matter. The same people will be in control. The same scum who own Congress.
lots of folks on here are blind.
but alas, the west is trying to bankrupt russia by TAKING the pipeline routes from the gulf through syria and flooding europe with cheap gulf/petrodollar oil.
putin is INVESTING HIS MONEY IN WAR in rather efficient manner, ---because he has so little to begin with---the west is still profligate with its war money because the west is still the top dog.
the bankruptcy is ultimately ALWAYS about who gets to control trade and the currency that trade is denominated in.
this means you need to control trade routes and currency markets ( debt ). it's clear putin is playing defense, but what choice does he have? back down in syria and ukraine and then what? he wont' be broke? are you kidding? russia can be a lot more broke than it is now. especially if their petroleum sector is broken on the back of a new pipelineistan controlled by nato in both ukraine and the gulf.
what do you think happens when assad gets kicked out of power and they build those pipelines. i'll tell you what, a countdown until the straights of hormuz are shut down through 'instigation'. ----what does is matter to the gulf states if the pipeline is shutdown? well, it breaks the back of iran, unless iran can get oil pipelines over land to its customers.
trade wars are ultimately about chocke points on land and sea.
I don't disagree about the importance of the pipelines at all.
What choice does Putin have? See this stuff as business: be a partner instead of a problem and, get rich in the merger. this all started because he cut gas supplies a few years ago in a cold winter.
Anybody would cut him out as a bad supplier based on his behavior.
Can we have a link on when Putin cut winter gas supplies please, other than as part of non-payment?
Thanks in advance.
Sure. Have a look at this. Explains the why and extent of Putin shutting off gas to Europe.
http://www.oxfordenergy.org/2009/02/the-russo-ukrainian-gas-dispute-of-january-2009-a-comprehensive-assessment/
Yup, an out of contract dispute. Its called negociation. How about an in contract cut off?
Read it, dumbass. Just read a little. Then you'll understand that gas supplies outside of Ukraine got cut. I'm not a teacher for the special class.
Goodness, get an education. Ukraine has fallen and risen upon several empires well before Putin.
...or the international banksters and all their myriad puppets, constructs, agents and proxies...
Correction, Ukraine has fallen, been left to its own devices, and then fallen again. Of the past 300 years Ukraine has been a politically independent nation for less than 30 and financially solvent for 0 of those years.
I am not even sure of their independence now since the US flag is flying on the SBU building in Kiev. http://youtu.be/UffhTyUcUwc
Ukraine has never been a sovereign nation.
Never politically independent.
Ukraine has never been a sovereign nation
Ukraine A History Orest Subtelny is best book for English reader
Each nation is equally great . Except yanks they are exceptional isn't it cacophony ??
It was ukrainans who lost ukraine . Moreover , nato will never acquire ukraine . do some research and thorough study before posting your drivel . libya scenario ? US will be turned into radioactive ash . If you want that to happen so please continue .
Hmm, Putin...or the Obamatron (decisions, decisions!)
Take all of your money out of the Stock market, and Banks. Sell your home if you have equity if you do not have equity then stop paying mortgage and resist eviction by legal means until forced out by Police. Buy silver and gold and do not store it in the home that you will lose. Stop playing their game expecting different results. Do not openly resist do not openly protest. Passive resistance is to use the system to choke itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2kO_5cNF5k
Modern finance in less than 4 minutes.
Almost 2 centuries of finance in 3.5 hrs.
A most comprehensive docu.
"It was at this point that George Bush Sr. broke out in assholes and shit himself to death".
enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM
H/T windrunner 56 @ SGT
How is that working out for you? Did you sell your home? Are you living in a cardboard box?
Or screw France over with the Mistrals.
Russia probably will not demand repayment immediately but use this for squeezing balls, a practice also known as "negotiations"
Exactly Jigglypuff !
What's better than calling in the $3B immediately? Holding it over the EU/IMF's head, ready to spring it at the worst possible time. Leverage!
Not only that. Russia is currently shipping coal to Ukraine's power plants that were near shutdown due to inability to pay for coal imports. While other nations did sell coal to Ukraine, Ukraine failed to pay for it, thus most nations will now not sell coal to Ukraine. In this crisis of power generation, Russia stepped in to ship coal, and through the shared power grid, ship electricity to Ukraine. All this at a time when Ukraine blockaded Crimea, shutting down water and power, closing rail and road links.
Russia has been asked by most major EU leaders, in personal phone calls to Putin or Lavrov, to please do not call in this loan. As the west needs help to prevent Kiev's fiscal collaspe, as of now Russia has complied with the EU request. Even as the EU sanctions Russian banks and industry trying to strangle the Russia economy.
Turning the other cheek like this, always and for ever, is making Moscow look so weak that Obama's team is planning a massive spring offensive to destroy the entire Donbass, then move to the Crimean border and begin a total military, sea and air blockade.
Now does any of this sound like Russia is trying to suck up to the EU? Yes, it is. It is probably misguided, but Russia still thinks the EU can be a friend. But Merkel and the other leades are total whores to the US anti Russian declaration of war. Even though their own nations will be wiped out in American's war on Russia. Already the EU economy is being hammered by the loss of a market of eager consumers consisting of over 150 million customers eager for high quality western imports. This is the EU's single largest consumer market for export. It is now gone, on orders from the USA. The EU leaders are at odds with the interests of their own nations, all on orders from Washington, who seems to hold a special power over all EU politicians. Most likley through a combination of NSA Spy material for blackmail, and through CIA threats to life via past history of dealing death to unfrinedly politicians world wide. Merkel is both blackmailed, and under threat of untimely death. Thus she speaks like a sock puppet ,of the other black sock puppet Obama, whose lips are moved by international Zionism. The Zionist control of Washington DC and their sock puppet congress full of Christian Zionists is a story for another day, but well worth bearing in mind when you consider what the US congress does, like the recent open declaration of war on Russia. A nation fully armed with a modern nuclear force. and backed by a self defense force that would chop NATO's invasion forces to bits if and when Washington's Neocon Zionists unleash the new European War they want so badly.
You have to do what you have to do Jack
Russia wasn't ready last year to take on the US.
Putin was buying time, still is, although now he is much better prepared.
The derivative time bomb is ticking in any case, just a matter of whether it goes off before WWIII
breaks out into open conflict between the US and Russia.
The winner writes the history.Appearing weak was Putins best play, but I fear it will embolden
the neocons to become even more reckless, if thats possible.
What the hell Winston? Are you losing your marbles of something?
There will be no winner.
For god's sake, a little self-examination required.
I know it.
The odds of no nuke exchange are not favorable.30:70 imo.
The last vestiges of sanity have left the building, but I try to remain optimistic for those around me.
JB,
The Eurobond that Russia holds is only 3bn. Look at it more like a trigger mechanism.
You would want to bleed porky out first before giving it the headshot. Russia can't just blow their load too early. 3bn isn't heavy enough.
However it can certainly become heavy enough once the EU and the IMF can't pay at all (for whatever reason).
All they need to do is shut of NG to Germany for a few days and the EU and US will fall apart. It would take the Europeans at least 3 years to build pipelines to the Middle East and be 100% dependent on jihadist Muslims for their energy needs. That's what happens when you become the bitches of the USA.
Yes on the massive offensive and along with it after it starts to wind down, will be NATO moving into Ukraine.
There are various ways to explain Putin's actions. I believe he plans to give up Russia's place in the world provided he and other Russian elites are given a place at the table while Russia is ravaged. Surely he, Russian intelligence and the smart people do not believe Putin can compromise his way to a better future for the common Russian. He can only do that for the elite. Russia/Putin has watched this show since Iraq1 and before that the moving of bases and missiles to locations around Russia. Yet Putin did not prepare once in power. (Some of Putin's actions are simply to keep profits coming to the elite, such as selling gas to WUkraine (Russia's and EUkraine's enemy) at a nice discounted price.
Putin would be a fool if he thought he could court the EU. But maybe it's the only chance he has. If the west and Putn do a deal for the benefit of the Russian elite he will have to be a better chess player to avoid being stabbed in the back later. Once more NATO bases are around Russia they will provide cover for covert "rebels" to cross the borders for attacks. The real fight for Russia will be internal and increased international sanctions along with attacks on the Ruble. If you see an elite jew(s) elected in Russia that would be a clear sign Putin betrayed his country.
"I'm also surprised (and disappointed) Russia didnt turn off the gas pipe to Ukraine and EU..."
Besides being a boon for BRICS and other non-EU agricultural exporters as well as Russian domestic agriculture (not only non-GMO but also organic), the Russian ban of produce imports from the EU was not only near genius, both in execution and timing, but it violated no contracts.
Unlike France (regarding the Mistral ships) Russia respects contracts — and creates very good ones.
They won't cut the gas. The stream of rubles, once converted from $ is enormous
Aviods providing fuel for the idiots in Washington and their press arm - the MSM, to demonise Russia. Besides Russia is being paid for the gas so why kill a revenue stream.
in the middle of an economic (or currency) war the enemy can point to a condition on paper and have the other side recognize the shortfall and make good on it.
goes to show how powerful contractual law is in this world.
You mean Kiev, Russia's ingrate daughter turned western whore.
Nothing western about it. It has been done for centuries before the west. It's called war (in an economic sense).
China has no intention of bowing to US hegemony
http://journal-neo.org/2015/01/10/china-s-global-political-shift/
But perhaps most significant, in recent months, China has boldly moved an agenda to build alternative institutions to the US-controlled IMF and World Bank, a potentially devastating blow to US economic power if it succeeds. To counter the US attempt to economically isolate China in Asia through creation of a US Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), Beijing has announced its own Chinese vision of a Free Trade Area of the Asia-Pacific (FTAAP), an “all inclusive, all-win” trade deal that really promotes Asia-Pacific cooperation.
First appeared:http://journal-neo.org/2015/01/10/china-s-global-political-shift/
Take the $3bn and use it to continue to send Humanitarian support to Eastern Ukraine, starve the beasts and strengthen the victims.
The tides are turning.
Makes me think Putin is on the entire scam...I was leaning his way, last year....back to 50-50 toss up.....and since I will probably never learn the real truth, I really don't give a fuck any more.
Good cop. bad cop. Either way the guy sitting in the interagation room with the light bulb burning his face is being hustled.
Putin is Russia's problem.
And the American dupes are very skilled at ignoring their own government problems so they have to point fingers. Idiots
I really don't give a fuck any more.
Seasmoke is onto something here. Too many angles and too much bullshit. These fuckers are certainly not heroes out to save main street...that much I am sure of.
nobody claimed Putin is a hero. Who is in the wrong here? it was the US/NATO that funded and backed the illegitimate overthrow of the elected government of Ukraine, and replaced them with US operatives. Then they go further and declare the vote in the Crimea illegal because the borders of Europe cannot change. It wasn't too long ago that the US/NATO changed the borders of Serbia by demanding that Kosovo be given independence despite the area having belonged to Serbia for hundreds of years.
if you believe any voting is legit, i have bridge to sell you. US has problems because they didn't run the referendum. if any of you idiots would have a slightest idea what is at stake, regarding any elections, you wouldn't assume the outcome is left to chance.
otherwise, keep picking your side. we have really terrific options here. which side are you on in this WW3?
haven't you learned anything? or is it only me, that the public sentiment starts to remind the pre-WW1 era?
No, it's not just you.
Unfortunately, as with the rest of humanity, zh is in fact surprisingly and overwhelmingly populated by utter dumbshits who barely know how to think, certainly not for themselves, and most are either drinkers or take plenty of drugs, or else, to put it politely, they're not really that way inclined, not got the right stuff - or all the above.
Tyler's been trying to make a better Taj Mahal out of fetid mud bricks recycled from a cerebral wrecking-yard.
Amazing what you can do really.
@ Excrement (aka element )
The majority of your comments fall into 2 categories:-
a) Nonsensical b) Dull
If the folks on Z/H are too low-brow for an academic like yourself PLEASE FEEL FREE TO FUCK OFF OUT OF IT.
FOR CERTAIN YOU WILL NOT BE MISSED CUNT.
I'm calling out the hypocrisy of the US/NATO where they only accept election results when their side wins.
Yeah. So just give control of their energy sector to joe Biden's son already.
Or as Soros keeps saying: you MUST bailout Ukraine now!
Looking more like default IS the nuclear option. Any default. No matter how small.
DRAMA drama drama drama .... blah blah blah !
pay back money DEBT SLAVE !
does that sound familiar ???????????
everyone is a debt slave and even countries, to the central BANKS
FEAR fear fear or else ...
fuck the central banks ... fuck them to hell !!!!
Pay me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTF2ZkqCa4M
Bring it on, ask for repayment.
It's fair game, it's called blowback.
In related news, cat plays with mouse until he is bored. Cat eats mouse.
you got to love this chesss game
Why does everybody refer to this shit as chess? 3 card monte is the game.
Because between the wealthy, it is chess. They are playing for power and money. For the average citizen, it is 3 card monte trying to get a fair game.
In the end, we serfs end up paying with higher taxes, confiscation or as cannon fodder in war. While these oligarchs sit back and profit safely.
Krim nash :D
http://youtu.be/R9EJB6mPr-M
http://youtu.be/ys3HkFFUO60
http://youtu.be/5kTBSas24z0
Need a translation summary, please.
1.) Under Russian rule Crimea is total chaos and no one takes responsibilty for anything, huge corruption. You can observe it from the ground.
2.) Owner of the shop changing prices - as you can see diference is huge. This is done because of crashing RUB, he understand that his business is doomed and is cursing all the time. Za to Krim nash (but Crimea is ours! - he says sarcastically.
3.) There is no electicity in Crimea - what business you can talk about when for 2 hours it's switched on in the morning and 2 hours in the evening. But that is reality now in Crimea. Za to Krim nash!
This is why people don't want to be part of Putin regime.
a potatosack is more worried for crimeans than crimeans . Youtube links barrage once again . Try something new shill .
People here don't even understand what salary level has crimeans these days. It's 5 000 - 7 000 RUB, or in EUR it's from 70 - 100 EUR a month! Not for one day like many in Baltic states earn, but for one month!
http://youtu.be/jJTyCiMs8vg
Za to krimn nash! :D
When you go to toilet, you are being told once more that you are russian :D
So be proud when take a shit :D
http://youtu.be/DTmosK-Xh8c
Thanks. That's really sad but not surprising. It's important to note that people and businesses want to do business with Russia. But the country has serious corrution problems--much worse than Chicago corruption problems--that you have to trust in the head man for protection. No one, not even Russian oligarchs, trust Putin anymore. He's bad for business. In a kleptocracy, you know what that means in the end.
Corruption is huge problem for Putin regime - it's based on corruption but now as oil prices crashes, RUB crashes and Putin regime lack money to sustain this system that is based on corruption:
http://youtu.be/77W2h6CFn_Y
Americans knowing about kleptocracy and oligarchy nice . No need to go elsewhere .
"Americans knowing about kleptocracy and oligarchy nice"
Structure of that sentence exposed you ruskie troll :D
For you:
http://youtu.be/r2LQ8_2McWo
http://youtu.be/XMjN0L2nnyc
So you follow some specific structure to spread your drivel ? Ad hominem will not help you self hating baltic spook . Your youtube videos are not reliable . US state department believes in youtube proofs . You can share your valuable facts with them . Yes , a troll for genius like you who live in his mother's basement dreaming about russia's collapse and then go berserk when he observe why aren't they down yet . At no point in your rambling , incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought .
Let me see, what facts we have. Ruskie paid trolls has screamed about any minute crashing USD but till than RUB has crashed at least 2 times and now is still crashing :D
As you are ruskie troll you know russian language, I posted for you :D But you already know reality - it's your job to deny it and hide it for westerners. For you - anyone who understands russian and is not Putin payed troll - it's a nightmare!
Because - of course common westerner doesn't know russian and so you think you have total control over what they think of russia.
All you can do is deny reality and keep on telling no no no to truth: http://youtu.be/3yX_1gJ_51M
:D And that is what I love about you guys :D Thats fun for me! To see how you act when confronted with truth. When we both know reaity in Russia but you have to lie out your propoganda :D its funny.
As I said before you are a thick cunt . Your rabble and ad hominem is least of my concern . Stay tight in your basement . Continue your youtube trolling lv.
As I said before you are a thick cunt . Your rabble and ad hominem is least of my concern . Stay tight in your basement . Continue your youtube trolling lv.
2x Ha ha ha got you nervous :D That even more funny
Haven't taken your meds yet ? Do it bob .
We know about corruption andd oligarchy for sure as it is in fact a part of the human condition. But by any measure it is not perfected in the United States to the extent it is in Russia.
Compare "Dead Souls" to "The Great Gatsby". You'll see what I mean.
Just wait . Coming decades will tell ;)
It's both our jobs to minimize it everywhere. Be well, Max.
I agree . Stay well and warm jimmy . Enjoy your weekends .
You really don't have a clue. The US has perfected corruption to a degree only dreamt of by other PTB. They started sewing it up in 1913 and now have perfected generational control of Government like nowhere else. No-one is elected to Washington without seriously putting themselves in debt to their sponsors. No-one steps out of line and even the Supreme Court is appointed by politicians.
Low level corruption I accept has some way to go but the Police are just starting to get the hang of that.
I don't know where you view of Crimea comes from but it is very different from a contact I have there on another forum.
He says that since the Russians took over they have started reversing the complete lack of investment in the infrastructure over the past 20 years. That is why there are blackouts, the network was collapsing, with irregular supply anf voltage from Ukraine. He reports that he has seen inside a sub station where the insulation of wires is by auto masking tape. He refuses to talk about the state of the water supply it is so bad. This is Ukrainian Oligarch asset striping in action. Even the roads are getting fixed, the best roads were apparently the drives up to said Oligarchs dachas. Government servants have seen their salaries rise fast, especially in the police.
So far they have not seen major price increases and most of the population seems extremely relieved not to be in the chaos that is Ukraine today. They really believe in Putin.
At the times there is no electricity in Crimea nowadays it is because the Ukrainians turn it off. Russia now has a deal with Kiev that should see continuous supply.
This info is as of 1 day ago.
If people don't want to be part of Putin regime, then who or what prevents the United States to hold a second referendum in the Crimea, but under the auspices of the UN?
In Crimea, there is no war. The referendum in the Crimea under the auspices of the UN, could show to the world community the truth. I mean, the free and democratic will of the population of Crimea.
But the problem is that Washington does not want the whole world to know truth of the results of such a referendum in Crimea. Washington does not want to know the will of the population of Crimea. Washington and WH trolls like you, want to lie about the will of the population of Crimea. And for this reason, you are constantly lying.
All the while Crimean shipyards are getting jobs and majority of Crimeans are happy they joined ;)
Should I also mention that 20% of Ukrainians view on getting back Crimea? Or for that matter, very few people in eastern Europe acknowledges what the USSR did politically, thus voiding the idea that Crimea belonged to Ukraine (it was handed over politically in 1954, by a soviet leader). Guess borders are going back to historical levels.
So called democratic Ukraine government are bombing their people in Donetsk again.
Infiltrate and annex Crimea, steal a navy, attempt to carve off Donbas, and support and arm an on-going internal armed conflict ... then demand repayment of a loan!
Yeah ... perfectly within their 'rights' ... good luck with that tale.
We're well past polite legalities and, "you owe me X, Y and Z".
Overthrow the elected government of Ukraine, replace with US citizens and operatives, then accuse Russia of aggression and Crimea of illegal voting. Shoot down a commercial airliner and accuse the Russians, violate agreements not to expand NATO into former Soviet republics. Invade and/or bomb Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria.
The West has the moral high ground. LOL
Who said anything about the West, partisan? Oh, you did!
I spoke solely about Ukraine and Russia.
who will give weapons and training to new ukie brigade ? Blackwater ( usa ) and western anglo scum will provide them weapons . You've problems in comprehending perhaps .
case in point
There are many points to consider if you can see past your plagued media disinformation campaign , element .
You mean the illegitimate government of Ukraine that only accepts elections results it likes.
Maybe you're too stupid to know it, but Ukraine is run by US/NATO now.
I too spoke solely about Ukraine and Russia.
Yatsenyuk and Poroshenko - it is Western guerrillas.
"Overthrow the elected government of Ukraine, replace with US citizens and operatives, then accuse Russia of aggression and Crimea of illegal voting. Shoot down a commercial airliner and accuse the Russians, violate agreements not to expand NATO into former Soviet republics. Invade and/or bomb Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria. "
And other ill shit fantasies from Putin regime propoganda lies channels :D
You should stay in your parallel world . Dense mind .
Of course, because it's a shit fantasy that the US invaded and bombed Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria. It's a fantasy that the US refused to accept the Crimea vote results. It's a fantasy that the government of Ukraine was overthrow. All propaganda according to the dimwits. Those things never happened. CNN, NY Times, Reuters, AP all made those things up because they are puppets of Putin LOL
Ron Paul and Paul Craig - are agents of the Kremlin?
If you accuse the majority of the population of the West as agents of Putin's propaganda, then I accuse you as agent of your paranoia.
thanks for fixing that for him sun tzu....
any money in Poroshenko's hands will be either stolen or used to kill more eastern Ukrainian civilians
maybe russia will be open to extension ... if ukraine admits it shot down MH17 ...
The Zionist controlled west likes this scenario, as it is just another opportunity to "print" up more fiat and loan it to the EU, or other. I.e. just another excuse for usury.
The banksters need to repay us.
Th billions given to Russia will just bounce back to London or New York...
What billions given to Russia?
Nothing is given to Russia, Russia earns her income.
I think he is trying to refer to the bank loans to private entities. In that case, they default, assets still stay in Russia, and US/UK lose $600B. All's well that ends well.
kchrisc; if the zionists did not exist, are you saying everything would be unicorns and rainbows ??? ....no fraud, no conflict, no mass manipulation ?
perhaps the focus should be on those 0.00001 % who actually call the shots, irrespective of their religion or skin color. Plenty of races represented [Arab, christian, jew, and others] in this club , just a little bit shallow to focus on 1 type only isnt it ?... or is this your agenda ?
<rhetorical Q> btw.... no need to answer.
Putin 27, Neo-Cons 0
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You know, it costs a lot of money to control the world. With over $18 trillion in debt not counting unfunded liabilities, the US is just a tad over extended. The move into Ukraine is looking more and more like another US SNAFU.
Is Putin a secret Goldmanite?
Russia can withstand high interest rates, the US financial system would implode with those rates.
IMF Loan or liquidate some Ukraine gold. Wait......
Good luck with that.
Putin: "We're calling this bond."
Ukraine: "We're calling your bluff.
And what does Ukraine have that Russia may care that will prevent them from calling in this bond? Bluff? Bluffing only works when you have cards in your hand as well. Ukraine has got none at all. As Ukraine begs for money (all the while telling Germans how evil Soviets were for killing hitler: http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/01/09/2299), they got nothing. Ukraine backed down when they initially stopped delivories of helicopter engines because the perm plant can build it themselves just not in great numbers at same price as before, but would have replaced Ukraine. Already Ukraine is begging for coal and Russia is selling them. Voter turnout in Ukraine was absolutely pathetic and shows that majority of the people are not on the same page.
Ultimately, Russia still gives aid to eastern Ukraine, food and blankets, while the west lets them starve. I am glad Putin is showing care for my people, more so than my own people (Ukrainian Government). While the west are crying over a bunch of french that got killed by a terrorist. I don't show sympothy. They are allowing the murder of my people en mass and justifying it (or trying to).
great post mike
real information
@ Volkodav
This information on the Russian-speaking:
http://cont.ws/post/71171/
http://aftershock.su/?q=node/279271
Correction Mike. Russia is giving Ukraine coal and electricity on credit. Effectively a gift not a sale.