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Caught On Camera: Terrifying 200-Car Pile-Up In Real Time
While in no way minimizing the terror that must have been extreme among the drivers and passengers of these 200 vehicles as they slowed, slid, and slammed into one another on I-94 (near Battle Creek, Michigan), one can't help but analogize to the two most crowded trades in the world right now and what happens when the traders' "liquidity" is the same as the drivers' "visibility."
Via The Concourse from DeadSpin,
If you've ever read one of those "ten million car pileup on [insert Midwestern highway here]" stories and wondered how it happened, this video of I-94 near Battle Creek, Michigan from yesterday should help explain it. Visibility is so low that once a couple of vehicles wreck, the ones coming behind can't see them until it's too late, and they helplessly slide into each other and become one giant katamari.
As the second half of the video demonstrates, these wrecks are goddamn scary and dangerous. In this particular one, the Detroit Free Press reports that one person was killed and two dozen taken to the hospital.
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Deadspin is right. Hear the person screaming after the third hit or so?
Hope everyone recovers quickly.
I saw a few dollar bulls in the pileup. They were the ones on their cells mouthing off about how great life is.
WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T THOSE IDIOTS GO DOWN THE ROAD TO WARN ON-COMING TRAFFIC !!?
FUCKING MORONS!
What are you going to do, get out on the other side of the slippery freeway and flag down idiots who who obviously going WAY over the speed they should have been to get them to slow down? Talk about taking your life into your own hands!!
Prime example of how fucking idiots can't see that the road is slippery and slow down. There were obvious warning signs, LIKE SNOW ALL OVER THE ROAD, and probably other cars into the ditch prior to this pileup. The visibility wasn't even that poor, and it was obvious that people were slamming into the pileup going WAY TOO FAST!!
Ho Hum, just another day in Moscow.
Note to the frictionally clueless..
The brake pedal stops the wheels, not the vehicle.
Also, visibility and slow speed can be beneficial when piloting tons of vehicle on a snow slicked highway.
Were all those drivers aliens from tropical Guatemala with brand new licenses?
Adherence coefficient on icy surface is close to zero: something like 1/100 of dry normal condition while wet is about 1/2 or 1/3 !
Video of truck carrying fireworks caught on fire and going off in the pile up
http://fox17online.com/2015/01/09/video-truck-carrying-fireworks-explode...
Looks like a microcosm of the U.S. economy.
Moron Seppo's cant drive. In Alberta, low vis happens all the time. You can see it in front of you. Ease and slow down.
Dumb seppos.
i don't drive in the snow any more. haven't for the past ten years. next
I live off I-94 in between Kalamazoo and Benton Harbor about 50 miles from this pile up. Most people around here stay off the higheay when it's a white out. It's typical shit here. We get lake effect snow that is scary as hell every year. People should be doing 25 max but instead they're doing 60.
This makes the ever increasing piles between my ass look good.
Wasn't that the Bernank in the semi hurtling down the highway at 80?
But if it wasnt safe to do 60 why was there i sign on the side of the road saying 60?
Call my lawyer, im going to sue someone!
Its just a sad reflection on the lack of common sense thesedays
Looks like just another busy day in Eastern Ukraine.
Somebody needa dub a US National Anthem track on that video.
On the road, traveling dolt?
This is Putin's is fault!
If your car right now aflame,
This is Putin is to blame!
It's a divded hiway. All they had to do was to drive up on the side that was clear and stand next to the divider and flag people to slow down. Should have flashers on as well.
Headbanger is right.
Meanwhile, all the cars going by you on your side of the road, who are rubbernecking and probably texting and calling by now......are on the verge of going out of control. You think its safe to stop your car on a freeway, and wave your arms at oncoming traffic trying to get them to slow down? Sorry dude, the absolute DUMBEST thing you can possibly do in a situation like that is get out of your car, ESPECIALLY if you aren't even involved in the accident.
Of course, this idiot was already risking his life trying to get it on camera, so he might as well have run up the road like a chicken with his head cut off waving his arms trying to stop traffic.
If a person was extremely careful and very quick one could go way out 50 ft in the ditch and run up the road with any piece of clothing and start waving it wildly.
When I was coming out of Fort Mac the oncoming lane truck smoked a moose who incidentally decided to sit down the moment before it was hit. It literally did nothing to the truck (somehow) which pulled off of the highway ahead of the moose. The next vehicle would have no chance or time to see it lying there. I raced up the highway and since I'm mr. boy scout pulled out my dollar store flash light flicked it on and started waving figure eights at the oncoming traffic. It was dark and the next car that came was a small one and was flying! It would of never seen the moose and would of been launched/destroyed. But he saw my weaving flashlight and slowed down. One by one we got everybody stopped in both lanes.. Once both lanes were stopped we tied a rope around the moose and six bystanders all pulled together and dragged it off the highway.
Moral of the story - dollar store led flashlights can save lives they cost $2 (inflation - you owe me you bastard bankers!) If someone had been quick staying 30 feet away from the highway but went up against the oncoming traffice and figure 8'd a flashlight it might of made a big difference people would know something dangerous was ahead.
I was in a similar situation in Oregon ... a motorcyclist had wiped out in fog, and people were still barreling over the pass.
I ran down the far shoulder of the road, and started throwing lit road flares AT oncoming traffic to get them to slow the fuck down.
Running is deep snow may be problematic, though.
Didn't look that deep.
I tried warning oncoming drivers on Maryland's part of I-95 in the late 70's during a blizzard. My 64 International Harvester pickup was safely up an embankment in the median since it was the only place to go to avoid a semi blocking all 4 lanes Northbound. I lit 2 flares and headed South down the median waving the flares. Car drivers either ignored me or gave me the finger for distracting them. The truck drivers immediately got what I was doing and pulled off to the side. A Maryland state cop saw me and pulled over to get out his own flares to block off the highway. Almost everybody that went whizzing past me hit the pile up of cars and trucks before they could stop. The cop told me I was being stupid but he appreciated the effort. I never tried doing that again.
Moral of the story is insurance bonuses got paid that day and you ate ALL the risk.
NEVER EXIT YOUR VEHICLE IN THAT SITUATION.
Cool story, bro.
Headbanger is full of shit. No one pulls over in that shit unless they want to take it in the ass too.
The camera here doesn't come close to the snow blindness that was going on. You go from not seeing shit to it being totally clear.
These idiots deserve to die for driving that fast in those conditions. And the moron with the iphone should have held it sideways.
I do think you could have tried that - making sure you are not close to the edge of the highway. Being 400 yards further up the road and 20 yards to either side, you probably could safely wave down people approaching. That might be enough to clue some of the speeding idiots into the possibility of something coming.
Bothers me that many people's first instinct in situations like this is to whip out the smart phone and video the tragedy.
You know what I see? Opportunity!
There are 160 broken windows. Damn it. Why can't we have blizzard conditions everywhere and stimulate the economy like a cam whore with a viberator?
Gotta admit, a cam whore with a vibrator is stimulating, so there. The broken windows are gonna cost somebody $$, mostly the insureds.
well...some of the truckers could have taken a couple (or a lot) of road flares and put them out...but that's assuming they even carry a proper emergency kit....
bottom line: people not driving appropriately for the conditions.
Considering the SHORT amount of time between hitting the vehicle in front of you and wondering when the next impact from behind is coming, most PEOPLE wouldn't be rummaging around in the cab, looking for the emergency kit. Most kits today also don't come with flares, but rather with "high visibility triangles". These things are about 10 pounds each and open up into a 12" sided triangle that sits on the ground, BEHIND your vehicle.
Isn't that where the oncoming, blind cars and trucks, are coming from?
I don't think you can run fast enough on snow to avoid a 60 mile per hour hunk of metal that suddenly appears 500 ft from you.
well...some of the truckers could have taken a couple (or a lot) of road flares and put them out...but that's assuming they even carry a proper emergency kit....
bottom line: people not driving appropriately for the conditions.
Standing around with a camera so he can get hits on youtube.
Exactly.
"maybe we should help somebody"
No, asshole. You should hold the phone horizontally so it looks better on the screen.
Exactly.
"maybe we should help somebody"
No, asshole. You should hold the phone horizontally so it looks better on the screen.
I might add to NOT talk during the video too. Guy sounds like a fucking fairy "oh, no" all dramatic. There's no stopping stupid people from driving too fast in icy and low vis conditions. Just shut the fuck up and film.
Well he did hopefully educate folks with that video. Maybe more effective than doing anything else in white out conditions.
Precisely! People standing around taking video when they ought to be running back up the road shoulder trying to warn traffic.
Running towards an ice rink where multi-ton vehicles are slipping and sliding out of control all over the place and you can't see the next ones coming in time to get out of the way is not as great an idea as it may sound at first.
Probably started filimg before calling for Fire Engines and Ambulances
Great call you couch potato eating moron!!!! Unless you have been in a pile up like that shut your flippin mouth. There was nothing these guys could do. Near white out conditions on slick roads.
First off, running back 400 yards in the snow on the side of a road is not easy and dangerous. A car or trck may be coming, lock it up, start sliding and it will easily take you out.
The visibility was not terrible but it looked pretty bad. The only thing people should do in this is slow down to 25 mph or stay home.
# "A car or trck may be coming, lock it up, start sliding and it will easily take you out."
Freddie, that's why God made us nimble. All the best.
Now nimble can you be when your feet sink in the snow and it comes maybe up to your knees?
It's a highway, no pedestrians permitted, even in good weather with dry roads, it's hard to be seen. High speed tunnel vision compounded by low visibilty and slippery surface can make it suicide.
Full [dry weather] speeds on a snow covered freeway.
This has Darwin written all over it!
What we need is a new government intervention.."war on weather". A 2 trillion budget should do it...for now. For our Children.
Where can I sign the petition?
We already have one. It's called HAARP.
And if the gov dcoesn't do it I'm sure that "private" business will, Wall Street and Edward Bernays will have us all convinced of the dire need.
I thought we already had that and it was called anthropogenic climate change.
"war on weather"...
No. War WITH weather (i.e., using weather warfare).
Owning the weather by 2025, GD.
Here's a little truth about HAARP, chemtrails, 'polar vortexes', and stuff. It's a little dated (2007):
http://rense.com/general79/chem.htm
It DOES snow in Michigan, by the way. When I was a kid in Ann Arbor, the snowplows used to come by (and dump the snow in the front yard), and us kids would build really cool snow-forts and stockpile snowballs and do battle. Of course, Ann Arbor was a nice place to live back then... In the U.P., snow machines were used for travel in the winter. They were staple items (like cars).
Groundhog, what do you think the war on carbon is? Except its funded at alot more than 2T......
bet they had this playing. http://youtu.be/h6hGdPkn8Ow
I thought that was footage of the lobby at Lehman Brothers.
The BLS has performed Hedonic Quality Adjustments on this accident and determined that it was actually just a 3-car fender bender, no big deal ... move along please.
*edit* -For anyone who hasn't heard about HQA -https://priceillusion.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/manipulating-the-consumer...
No, you have it backwards. It's a 2,000 car pile-up. That can only mean increased GDP through a spike in car repairs, medical costs and funeral home activities.
And insurance premiums.
MOAR broken windows!!
And we piled up some folks. What a tragedy.
HOLY SHIT!
Living in Michigan, I heard that it happened, though around 70 miles weat of me. Having driven in hundreds of these situations, and viewing the nasty video, I gotta repeat my first thought when I heard about it: Probably ice.
This wasn't so much of a visability problem as a collective I-have-no-fucking-control-of-my-car moment on fucking ice.
We all know it can happen. Driving on ice sucks. We're all quite good at it, actually. Otherwise, winters would be a season of carnage for us. Not that we like it that way. But we have to do it sometimes.
We just hope we don't die.
Many white-knuckle flashbacks inspired by that short video, though.
Time for a beer.
I live north and west of this. I went into the ditch Friday instead of being part of a smaller pile up. As a native of the UP, it was the first time I have ever done that. It was that or hit the semi ahead of me. Reflexes take over.
The squalls were bad and the wind contributed. But the ice is what cinched the deal. Keep in mind that the temps were in the single digits for days during this period, salt doesn't do dick for this. They shut down I94 for this man made crisis, and parts of I196/US31 for hours for three smaller events.
Yes, I pounded a few when I got home.
I grew up in MI, and was wondering, where is the salt? If they were still using real rock salt, it would have been at least somewhat effective. But they use fake salt now.
Biggest shock of my life was moving out to CO and finding they don't do anything about the ice. They might throw a little sand on it. I never slipped and fell so many times in all my life as my first winter here.
Sand? CO lays down sand with grains the size of marbles.
West Virginia uses crushed coal tailings. Shittiest stuff ever. No salt.
I was driving on what they call 'black ice' on I-40 going through Arkansas and I literally had no control of the car. The freeway was a single sheet of frozen rain ice.
I had to drive at the very crown of the pavement at 15-20 mph because if you went slower or faster you stood a chance of sliding off the slight crown in the pavement and ending on the side of the road. Every car or truck that passed me I would eventually see them crashed through the old snow berm in the median or side of the road, some trucks were flipped over and more than a few motorhomes were completely destroyed.
Good tires on a front wheel drive rental car with the flashers on got me home after a day and night of the worst driving I ever had, and that's saying something since I grew up in New England when we had snowstorms measured in feet.
Amen. One dead in a pileup of 150+ is a testament to what seems to be bred into the ethos of Michigan at this point, and that's winter driving. Hell, driving of any kind, really. The further South I travel out of this state, the less attentive the drivers become. Probably because attentive driving is the difference between life and death up here, depending on the season.
$5 says some shitbagger out-of-state Semi was first in line to the carnage. Typically is in these scenarios. Doesn't help that most people's cars are old and in disrepair. Lost a dear friend of mine on 23 a year ago to a guy who lost his trailer axel in icy conditions; tire flew across the median and cut him clean in half. He was only 20.
Our existence is full of life-or-death wagers. We take them all the time without paying them a second thought. I guess if there's a moral to this story, it's get the hazardous waste (i.e. fireworks, unidentified "biohazards" that still haven't been ID'd to the public) off the fucking roads and ship that shit via freight. But hey, even in instances such as this, the same cadre of culprits expose themselves as the guilty party:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy
Stay warm and alive, everyone. Even you shills and shithead Islamophobes.
Amen. And Amen.
Yet another dickhead using a camera in portrait mode.
Here's a video of one truck carrying fireworks that was caught up in the pileup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDDInleX6cs
Looks like the MLK day celebration will be postphoned...
Doubt it. The police have plenty of flashbangs and gas canisters.
We obviously need to wage war on fireworks now.
potrait mode = dickhead = +1,000,000 They leave 70% of the viewing area unused.
I don't live near such severe weather and I hope I never have to but I wonder about all those drivers. You would think they would know the dangers and be a bit more conservative in their approach to driving in these conditions. Defies reason really.......
I'm always amazed how fast people drive in heavy snow or rain. I'm a chicken ever since some folks [teens] ran a stop sign and almost killed me with a broadside to my car in the rain one time.
S-L-O-W is the theme word when the road is wet or visibility is poor.
Exactly. You cannot stop faster simply because you're in 4wd. Well, you can, but it involves a lot of practice of locking up the brakes, slamming it in reverse, and gunning it backwards. Not an easy feat to pull off when you only have a short time to react, and if you hit a spot that is not slick, you may grenade something important, like a transmission. Anyway, I've been known to really piss people off when you get the conditions where it alternating between slick and not slick every 100 feet, because the ass end of my vehicle really likes to come out in front on slick stuff in 2wd, so I wind up going very slow in those conditions.
gunning it backwards
Excuse me, what - did you forget the /sarc tag??
Why is the main function of an ABS to have the wheels durgin braking turn with LIMITED speed difference compared to free rolling?
No, I've actually gone out to the boondocks and tried it on snow just to see if it works, and it does. The faster your tires are spinning backwards, the faster the energy of the vehicle is disappated. w=f*d. It is not an easy thing to do, however, and when I did it, I was just fucking around out in the middle of nowhere, which is a far cry from doing it when it counts. Besides, I don't have ABS in my vehicle.
Some older 4x4's have ABS systems that shut off when the front wheels are engaged. This was ostensibly to allow a locked front wheel to build up a dam of snow in front which would increase friction. Since nobody knows how to pump brakes anymore the carmaker's laywers keep ABS on all the time now.
Read your owner's manual. Practice snow driving in a safe place, every year. Always pay undivided attention when driving. You would think anyone driving on I-94 would know better.
"Practice snow driving in a safe place"
Yes, find a parking lot that is completely empty, or go out into the middle of nowhere and see how the vehicle handles. I know that, in 4wd, mine sticks to the ground a lot better than one would think. Until I have to do a sudden stop, that is. Like I said, no ABS at all. I drove on some slick-ass roads in Nov. during my deer hunt. There was no fucking around there though. Some of those roads had a bit of pucker factor with steep and long dropoffs and they were often not quite wide enough for two vehicles. Needless to say, I went slooooow. When you start to lose it, you want to have the time to react properly.
I had a 1986 Land Cruiser wagon which was before they became luxury barges. No ABS, solid Axles with leaf springs, 4-speed manual and a 255 straight six engine. It was a tank with the thickest sheet metal I've ever seen on a vehicle. While it had a lot of rear overhang, it could get through most anything. The biggest problem I had with that truck was instability on glare ice. It would spin like a top if you over-braked even a little. Just letting off the gas in 4WD without de-clutching could mean disaster. Solution? Slow the fuck down. People with 4WD would pass me and make insulting gestures for going so slow. I usually encountered them in a ditch further down the road.
In a big empty parking lot, I tried what El Vaquero describes only once because it was nearly impossible to get that thing in reverse while the wheels were turning. I had to lock the wheels, get it in reverse and then try to dial in some power. This was the wrong vehicle to try this with because it became uncontrollable. Maybe it's easier with an automatic transmission but you have to be an ace driver and know your vehicle really well. I don't doubt El Vaquero is both. Maybe a little crazy too which I've been accused of.
All the information you'll ever need to drive "at the correct speed for the existing conditions" - http://www.roadcraft.co.uk/
Despite what Australians think ("It's different here, Mate" being the rigid mindset), the physics of vehicle control are the same wherever you live, and following the commonsense instructions might well save your life (and the lives of others perhaps??)
If these morons didn't realize they should have been driving far more slowly than they were in that weather, no handbook is gonna save them.
I remember things getting quite serious in a large parking lot in Canada. It is 55 below with the wind chill and my friend and I got separated. It was only after I started screaming that he answered and I managed to head towards his general direction. When I finally found him, he was cursing because the door was frozen shut. We managed to get in eventually and did get lucky in the sense that the car actually started. Things were a bit touch and go for about a minute or so.
Workers in extreme conditions with limited visibility wear highly reflective clothing and clip on to a cable which guides them along to the next building. Meanwhile, these morons are driving 60 miles an hour.
Looked to me like they were driving something more like 35 miles per hour. It works as long as it works . . . i.e., nobody has a problem.
As someone in that situation, you know that this could happen. But if you're out in it you have a damn good reason to be. And everybody else has the same mindset.
No, it's not completely safe. Hell, this video of it happening in broad daylight under relatively high visability (you were seeing through the actual snowfall in order to see that shit happen), was kind of a low intensity version of shit you live with in Michigan winters. The real bad shit is night time (much colder temps) when the weather forecasts were completely wrong, the road crews either haven't been out yet with the salt or it's too damn cold to make a difference, it's snowing like a mofo, dark, very dark, and there's a sheet of ice that has, unbeknownst to you, formed on the road beneath you. Now that's a crazy bitch of a situation.
But not only stupid people find themselves out there in that situation. Crazy mother fuckers are fliying by in the fast lane (you see them in the ditch a few miles up the road), true, but once any kind of problem emerges, even at 35 mph, on an effectively solid ice surface, it will matter not one whit what you drive, what tires you have, what kind of braking technique you use (abs or not), or whether everybody on that road wishes they weren't there: You have virtually no control except under ideal assumptions. Not much more than a prayer, really. If something goes wrong for anybody, everybody is fucked.
Not that different from rush hour in the summer. Until something goes wrong every now and then.
I did that in an '83 F-250 with a manual transmission, which due to the longer wheelbase than a Land Cruiser is going to be less likely to spin like a top, as you put it. And like I say, I was in the middle of nowhere when I played around with it. I had time to think "OK, now I have to lock up the tires before I slam it into reverse, if I turn the wheel to the left, the front is going to go to the right, etc..." It took a few tries to get it to work, and there was no pressure on me to get it right the first time. I just remember it not being as easy as one might think. Doable in the right vehicle if you have enough time to think it through, or you went out and practiced over and over, but not easy.
As for doing it in an auto, if it doesn't have a lockout on reverse when you're going over a certain speed, that would be a good way to drop a transmission.
I still have my 84 2WD F-250 and it's a lot more stable like you say. I don't take it out when it's snowing because it has no traction on the rear wheels without a lot of weight in the bed - 500 lbs. minimum. One year I was visiting relatives in Connecticut when a snowstorm came out of nowhere and I had no ballast but good snow tires on the back. I got a ride to SwillMart and got a bunch of large plastic storage totes which I filled with water and let them freeze overnight. The next morning I had no problems getting through 2 feet of snow and drove almost 20 miles of back roads until I got on the Interstate. The high ground clearance really helped also.
What might work on gravel/dirt if not tightly frozen, won't work on asphalt or ice as your tires will not grind away the material no matter how fast you spin them.
On tightly packed snow you will even create your own water film that way which will make it slippery as ice.
On somewhat loose snow it is usually better to have the wheels completely locked up so piles of snow accumulate in front of the tires while sliding. (The only case where an ABS might make matters a bit worse.)
Brakes are useless on ice the only thing stopping you if your sliding is air resistance and in a 4wd your carrying a lot of kinetic energy.
"in a 4wd your carrying a lot of kinetic energy"
And it seems that (with the exception of the seasoned veterans out in rural areas) that idiots tend to weigh a lot more as well, which means yet more kinetic energy...
Locking up brakes means that you're isolating a patch of small rubber against frozen material. That small patch of rubber then becomes nearly frozen itself, which is NOT beneficial for creating the frictional forces you need to actually, um, stop. And with this in mind anti-lock brakes are actually a correct approach: sadly, however, they don't tend to reduce the likelihood that one gets into a situation like this (tends to provide overconfidence [and with idiots That is a deadly combination]).
Every time when I driving a car on a slippery road, I check how works a brakes. I choose an empty stretch of road and mentally choose a place where I have to stop. And I try to stay in this place. It's good exercise and it helps to understand what I am driving conditions right now.
A tactic I've employed myself. I also often tap the gas when there are no cars near by and I'm going slow just to see how easy it is to break loose. Then I drive like a grandma when its slick. The drivers here are fooking scary when it snows.
The drivers where I am are fooking scary ALL THE TIME. (that would be Boston)
The drivers here are fooking retarded ALL THE TIME. On snow, that translates to scary. During normal times, that means merging on the interstate doing 30mph. New Mexicans do NOT know how to merge.
"New Mexicans do NOT know how to merge."
Of COURSE they know how to merge. Otherwise, there wouldn't be so many of them (on the public dole, no less).
That has to be my pet peeve, having to follow some idiot onto the Interstate who doesn't understand the purpose of a Merge. That ramp is designed to allow you to get up to HIGHWAY speed, but far too few people understand that. I have dallied behind people going 30 (on a 70 mph highway) and even the occasional complete and utter IDIOT who decides to STOP at the bottom because there was traffic coming!
THe purpose of the on-off ramps is to pickup/bleed off speed so you can MERGE with the FLOW. Should be a freaking requirement for ANY DL (Part of the actual driving test)
Yup.
In Boston we used to call that 'Geddafuggattahere, my road' syndrome.
Even the bluehaired little old ladies in giant Buicks had it.
It's a Boston thing.
I do not Schumacher, but these exercises help me to feel: my car, road and my real possibilities.
One policeman has taught me to do it, after on the slippery road, my car hit to the ass of police car! LOL
The proper speed in those conditions is under 25 mph...
Like ZERO! I tend to stay put until long after a bad spell as that allows all the idiots to take themselves out of the game.
Once drove through fog in the Salinas valley, over 100 miles before I finally gave out: couldn't spot an exit until I was PAST it. Was driving over my head at 20mph some times. Had people come up on my rear, and once I could manage the courage to shift right a lane (couldn't see next to me!) they'd speed up and then drop right back down- they were over-driving because I was providing the path. Lots of commerical trucks piled up that night.
What pisses me off the most about all of this is that it causes everyone's insurance rates to go up!
I really enoy driving in those conditions (if not for the crazies) in the 4 wheel drive. I typically stay at about 20 mph...
Was driving through Oregon's Cascades during a skate trip with some homies. Night, 100% fog, 0% visibility, windy mountain roads, we're looking for a campground. Best drive ever, but also quite scary. I kept it at 20mph. You never know what kind of retard will try to go 45mph like it was a bright Sunday morning.
Welcome to the Tulies.
Fog so thick you can eat it.
Fun to drive in. Very exciting.
Yup. Afton Mountain is on I-64 just west of the U of Virginia. It is the first peak of the Blue Ridge in that area. It gets some snow and ice, but once or twice a year, blinding fog. Idiots still drive seventy or more, and there are pile ups and fatalities.
Death cures stupid.
Fog combined with the huge amount of deer is quite the combination. I have seen dozens of deer grazing along 64 on afton mountain within a two mile span...
Is that the stretch of I-64 that has strobe lights embedded in the highway? I've made that run before going to Waynesboro, VA.
It is, and you can see why they are needed.
That one truck was doing at least 50.
I'll do 35 in those conditions only if I can see at least 400' and that's with four dedicated studded snow tires (not all-season). And always someone pulls right up behind me--the other day, with intermittent black ice--so close I could not read his license plate. Eventually I pulled over and that fellow (from Georgia) sped off down the road.
All wheel cars make people feel invulnerable.
I do not understand why you need to go so fast, if you can not see the road ?!
If you drive faster, you have less time driving when you can't see. Just goes to reason. Same thing as speeding up so you get to the gas station before running your tank empty.
50% of automobile fatalities are due to speeding. 80% of people speed. This means the 20% non-speeders are causing half the deadly accidents.
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Everyone runs full speed into economic pileup's too. You never see them until your in the middle of the crash.
And then, like the truck driver from Texas that I saw that plowed into the end of a stopped car (stopping for a draw bridge) he jumps out complaining that the car he hit "he stopped in front of me!" Yeah, it's the folks in front of you who caused you to crash!
Is anyone else on ZH enoyed by the way videos are displayed in the iPad.
They are always half covered over the the column on the right side. Tyler it's about time you fix this........
Yesterday on the iPad, everytime I tried to open ZH I was redirected to a spam page selling something. I finally gave up.
Fuck you, you cheap-ass whining douches!
Every website in the world is not obliged to conform to what page-loads best for your fucking iPads or iPad minis or iPhones or whatever.
How about you idiots grow the fuck up and get real computers instead of a glorified e-reader/app-toys?
Fix it yourself; spread several fingers in the center of the video and it will enlarge to fill the screen.
Duh, RTFM !
Read The Fine Manual
That doesn't always work, duh!
"That doesn't always work, duh! "
You mean you are too stupid to figure it out?
Tyler should fix his website for your come and enjoy it all for free lame-asses?
You probably don't know how to change a sparkplug or a light switch let alone build a website with live forums and video links and all the rest.
Did Apple sell you on a 'digital lifestyle' that it's underpowered hardware and hackneyed software can't really process, internet site business aren't obliged to provide, and you can't learn to navigate when device and content conform because you are so goddamned lame?
You are probably the same dumbasses that are dreaming for the day when you can quit looking up out of your handsets to continue driving in the fucking rain and snow: please save us google robo-cars!
I can only hope that when the day comes it is all the imbeciles like you who are trapped in their hacked robo-cars dying in the cold listening to Barry Manilow on endless repeat because you didn't want to watch the road more than facebook.
Duh! is right. YOU are the Duh!
Please do not forget to take your meds again.
And go fuck yourself for self projecting your crap onto me.
I've mentioned this several times to tyler yet he/she is an ignorant cunt incapable of giving a fuck to care about fixing it.
Same thing with the right side banner that cock blocks all of bonzis' pictures.
And don't even get me started on the 'please rotate your device' nag screen that pops up because I prefer to view zh in landscape mode. Rotate your own device, douche!
Get a real device, fool.
You spent $299 and think the world should jump into your fucking hand 'cause Apple sez so?
Get a clue: you got a toy, not a proper fucking computing machine.
#1) Buy a computer with a wider screen.
#2) Stop using Windows 7 Home Basic as an 'OS'. Your computer system (or IPAD MINI, or whatever) has it's limitations.
#3) Quit whining. You sound like a cheap pussy. NO, I take that back. You sound like my first ex-wife; getting something for nothing and bitching because it isn't good enough for you.
Same thing on my phone.
Further proof of the 'National Enquirerfication' of ZeroHedge, screaming headlines as: "CAUGHT ON CAMERA, TERRIFYING 200 CAR PILE UP!!1!!"
What is this, a gossip magazine or a serious thinking-outside-the-box website that focusses on economic and geopolitical issues?
Neither, its a business.
Exactly.
They need clicks and eyeballs to keep the lights on. Everyone does.
The switch to mobile isn't making that any easier.
Did you read the article?
Yes I did and I think it's extremely far fucking fetched to draw an analogy between crowded trades and people who drive way too fast in the snow/poor visibility.
I guess the analogy is that people miscalculate risk on a constant basis, well...gee...tell us something we DON'T know, Sherlock Holmes! If you wanna illustrate your point you can get one hunderd million billion videos on YT for that; crazy Russian drivers, drunk college students doing stupid shit etc.
Here's a pro-tip.
If you don't think the article is going to interest you... don't read it. I skip lots of articles on this site.
Individual responsibility... use it.
Thx 4 the pro-tip! ;-) Yes of course, but I particularly come to this site so that I don't have to siff through all the mainstream bullshit which is out there.
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a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”.
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Are you asking for your money back?
I am missing a car of 50 or so...
Holy Moly!!!!
Some asshole on the radio a few days back said because of the subzero cold the chemicals used to prevent icy roads freeze so do not drive. Some 600 accidents occured the next day here in the Twin Cities.
You would think is was this states first rodeo.
So we know it's going to be 10 below and snowing so let spray the equivalent of water on the roads and see what happens.
Fucking idiots.
That is a problem. They used to mix sand in with the salt a long time ago, and that actually helped because it provided some grit on the roads. Now they just dump salt all over the road. When its below 10 above zero, all that does is cause the snow to turn into a slurry and its VERY slippery. They would be better off NOT putting chemical down when conditions are like that, the snow would just blow off of the road.
That would mean a bureaucrat might have to think and make a decision.
Snow removal and ice prevention have been a joke since at least Perpich's time.
This was clearly a false flag op. You can see the second truck driver trying to run over a cop lying helpless on the sidewalk and missing. How did he miss? And why was this unreported? Also, someone left his wallet and ID in the car while fleeing. The Zionist controlled media is reporting this as a random occurrence right off the bat, like they knew it was going to happen. How did they know? Also, notice the color of the snow. It's all white! Uh-huh. That's how you spot these things.
you got it :-)
Damn right I do.
I think it was probably Mossad working with CIA, and possibly G.W. Bush and Cheney too. They shot a cruise missile at the first trucker in the snow and then used that as an excuse to go to war with Canada. Also, the half-chicken, half-squirrel that was revealed in an exclusive South Park expose about ten years ago was probably there collecting car parts to build his next nest.
LMFAO
Twice
That's why I read the comments on the Hedge - for the occasional LMAOROTF diamond in the rough field of Obummer slurs, juice hatred, and meaningless nonsense; sometimes 100 to 1, but worth the time. Thanks.
Thanks for "getting it."
Read my remarks in the first 50 comments of the "Arson Attack on German Newspaper" article and you'll get why I'm in this mood right now.
I think that low cloud was a chemtrail ... jus sayin ... and the black truck that hit the hardest ... it was black and it came out of the chemtrail ... do the math
The evidence is all there. You just have to have the will to look for it.
I rest my case.
Burp.
Dear lord. A slow day for the Hedge when you're trying to create market analogies from real-life trauma. Will you be comparing last week in Paris to the Dow Jones next? Lamest ZH post I've seen!
A slow day in the skull of GFORCE. Will you be comparing all the articles for us? If so, get a room.
It's the weekend. Not every story has to be about the collapse of the universe. This video is very relevant to economics as it shows how fucking stupid most people are. This didn't happen in the South where snow storms are infrequent, but where idiots are supposed to know how to drive. The analogy is perfect.