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Turkish President's Stunning Outburst: The French Are Behind The Charlie Hebdo Massacre; Mossad Blamed
It was less than 48 hours ago when Turkey’s prime minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, joined millions marching in Paris to pay tribute to the 17 people killed by ISIS-supporting extremists. Then, almost the moment he got back, things changed, and as the FT politely paraphrases what transpired, the "country’s president struck a much more confrontational tone." That's one way of putting it. Another is that the former PM and current president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, of NATO-member Turkey did the unthinkable: accused the west, and French citizens in particular, of staging the Charlie Hebdo murder in order to blame Muslims, even as the mayor of Ankara said "Mossad is definitely behind such incidents . . . it is boosting enmity towards Islam."
"The duplicity of the west is obvious,” Recep Tayyip Erdogan said at a press conference on Monday evening. “As Muslims we have never sided with terror or massacres: racism, hate speech, Islamophobia are behind these massacres.”
His punchline: "The culprits are clear: French citizens undertook this massacre and Muslims were blamed for it,” he added.
The FT is confused: "Although political leaders in Turkey have repeatedly condemned the attacks on the Charlie Hebdo magazine, a Jewish supermarket and a policewoman, a parallel narrative has emerged in the country, with conspiracy theorists blaming the murders on foreign intelligence agencies rather than radical Islamists."
It's not just the French who were said to be behind the attack: so is Mossad:
Melih Gokcek, mayor of Ankara for the ruling AK party, said on Monday that “Mossad [the Israeli intelligence service] is definitely behind such incidents . . . it is boosting enmity towards Islam.” Mr Gokcek linked the attacks to French moves towards recognising Palestine.
Ali Sahin, a member of Turkey’s parliament and foreign affairs spokesman for the AK party, last week set out eight reasons why he suspected the killings were staged so that “the attack will be blamed on Muslims and Islam”.
But back to Erdogan:
In his own remarks on Monday, Mr Erdogan added: “Games are being played throughout the Islamic world”. He expressed bewilderment that French intelligence services had not followed the culprits more effectively.
The FT is further confused that Turkey is not the only place which has dared to offer conspiratorial theories: Russia is too.
In Russia, some pro-Kremlin commentators sought to link the killings to geopolitical machinations by the US.
Komsomolskaya Pravda, one of Russia’s leading tabloids, ran the headline: “Did the Americans stage the terror attack in Paris?” and posted a series of interviews on its website that presented various reasons why Washington might have organised the attack.
In one interview, Alexander Zhilin, head of the pro-Kremlin Moscow Centre for the Study of Applied Problems, claimed the terror attack was US retribution against President François Hollande for a January 6 radio interview in which Mr Hollande urged the EU to lift sanctions against Russia. Washington used the attacks as “a quick fix for consolidating” US and EU geopolitical interests in Ukraine, Mr Zhilin claimed.
The FT is most stunned that in Russia the events in Charlie Hebdo are being equated to the 9/11 tragedy:
“For the last 10 years, so-called Islamist terrorism has been under the control of one of the world’s leading intelligence agencies,” Alexei Martynov, director of the International Institute for New States, a think-tank, told pro-Kremlin internet outlet LifeNews. “I am sure that some American supervisors are responsible for the terror attacks in Paris, or in any case the Islamists who carried them out.”
Whatever could have given the Russian this idea...
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The King David Hotel bombing, the Lavon Affair, the USS Liberty attack, the Beirut Barracks bombing conncections, and 9/11 footprints, Israel and dual-citizen traitors have a long record of attacking their gracious hosts using "false flags".
Jerusalem Post confirms Israel knew USS Liberty was American
"Prior to the airing of "The Day Israel Attacked America," a long list of public figures, including those of highest US military rank, have backed the survivors' contention that the Israelis meant to sink the Liberty knowing full well that the ship was American. These include Secretary of State Dean Rusk, who held that office at the time of the incident, Director of the NSA Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, US Senator Adlai Stevenson, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer. Moorer concluded in his own investigation:"
"In attacking the USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against U.S. servicemen and an act of war against the United States."
The Post and Al Jazeera tape are but a small part of the volumes of evidence that Israel knew what it was doing that has yet to be released. Steve Forslundan, who was an intelligence analyst for the 544th Air Reconnaissance Technical Wing at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, states that the real-time intelligence he was reading as the day progressed:"
"made specific reference to the efforts to direct the jets to the target which was identified as American numerous times by the ground controller. Upon arrival, the aircraft specifically identified the target and mentioned the American flag she was flying. There were frequent operational transmissions from the pilots to the ground base describing the strafing runs. The ground control began asking about the status of the target and whether it was sinking. They stressed that the target must be sunk and leave no trace."
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/jerusalem-post-confirms-israel-...
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Israel Flagged as Top Spy Threat to U.S. in New Snowden/NSA Document
http://www.newsweek.com/israel-flagged-top-spy-threat-us-new-snowdennsa-...
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Dont waste your time upbraiding the fuckwit constituency posting on here. Most of 'em have never been outside of CONUS, much less have a clue about how we live in Europe. We've just had some braindead bunny from a US news network telling people that Birmingham, our second city is a no-go area populated by Muslims. As I've said before, I've met Yanks in Europe who have a grasp of how the world actually operates outside of the US, but boy, are they ever in a minority. I'm struggling to find much in the way of such people posting on this article.
Settle down. I was on a call from one of middle european countries, and a citizen of your fine common wealth asked, and I quote "so Austria, Germany and Switerland all speak German? Really?"
Mind you it was a conference call.
I'm all for bashing my homeland when it deserves it. But lets not pretend your neck of the woods is any better.
And your point is? There are cantons where variously German, French and Italian are spoken in Switzerland
Where do you get the "lead investigator" part? He was a commissioner whose job it was to inform members of the family of the deceased. That's all I'm reading into it. At least that would fit how the man was so depressed and this just put him over the edge.
Did Erdogan ever finish digging up all the Twitters?
Who else is getting the sense that tolerance for the tribe's bullshit is going downhill fast?
Whuch tribe? I'm getting weary of them all. Period.
Excuse me while my newly found Xenophobia surfaces.
Knukles:
A phobia is an irrational fear.
Therefore, in reality, there is no Islamophobia; there is nothing irrational about fearing Islam.
That word is designed to be used the same way homophobia is used - to immediately stop all discourse by labeling the opposition as whack-jobs unworthy of serious consideration.
And in your case, there is nothing irrational about fearing outside populations flooding our society. They are transferring their Hellholes into our country - if they knew how to build a worthwhile society, they would have already done in it in their native country.
And with their dysfunctional cultures comes their mass diseases - today's headlines document that thousands of cases of measels have burst forth from Disneyland - where the US gov is bringing illegal children and teens to entertain them after entering the country.
Officially, measels were declared eliminated from the US in 2000. Guess what happened to bring them back in?
It is only a matter of time until the epidemics caused by the illegals become too widespread to cover-up. And with them, will be the reality that the children of the elites are dying too. See what happens when the Obama kids get terminally ill . . . there is justice in the universe.
Epidemics of long-ago vanquished diseases are something to fear - and there is nothing irrational about it.
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Bitchez been saying that for 2000 years chunga boy
past need not be prologue.
But when you think you're God's Special People....
That 50 villain march the other day was painful, as most of the marchers (as was shown during the march) don't give a shit bout free speech.
Hey Merkel, how's about we discuss the Holocaust (the Jew one, not one of the others)?
Wait, we can't, cause that is AGAINST THE LAW? Now THAT is violating free speech.
Having your magazine shot up by a couple of pissed off ragheads is not a violation of free speech, it is called murder, and is already against the law.
Having a GOVERNMENT limit what you can say is violating speech.
But we get a million people to support tyrants trying to limit dissent even more, and come up with fancy slogans to boot.
Je suis fatigue.
pods
Here's a story about two British guys doing serious time for publishing cartoons mocking the Holocaust called "The Holohoax". They fled to the U.S. to avoid prison but were returned to the UK from the land of the free (speech) and the home of the brave. The level of hypocrisy regarding free speech in the so called democracies is appalling!
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.jp/2015/01/unlike-muslims-zionist-supr...
Thank you, clara :)
Excellent, Pods.
What Erdogan says might be true but he only says it because he knows he is targeted for a terrorist attack himself and it is to be blamed on muslims (and they plan to actually kill him not just oust him). He has become unreliable to Masood. He also has been so stupid in the past as to help the attacks on Syria which now isolates him from Syria and Iran and has brought those who may effect his destruction to within his borders. I doubt he can get back into good graces with Masood.
Turkey, Libya and Syria were all cast as having some type of association with the attacks in France. It makes you wonder if Israel and the US (with France being the face of NATO on this one) plan to more directly and quickly take over Syria and regain better control of Libya. And to overthrow (and kill) Erdogan to end the cooperation between Turkey and Russia. If so it will ramp up quickly.
And Putin will do nothing while Syria and Libya are finally taken control of. And Putin will do nothing while Turkey is forced to turn from Russia. And Putin will do nothing when the push against Iran begins. And this Spring (early Spring) Putin will take NO direct actions when the revamped forces of WUkraine hit the forces of East Ukraine with an intensity and power the EUk cannot withstand.
Russia should had been willing to take a firm stand many many years ago. But just like the US, Russia is controlled by the elite and their profits come before country. Will the elite of Russia who are not jewish be purged (killed) when Russia falls? The elite in the US will continue when the US falls. But their jewish masters will spit upon them while they rule them with an iron fist and fill their days with fear of what might happen.
Is it also true that the Grey who crash landed in Roswell was wearing a yarmulke?
Yes.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/scientists-speculate-extraterrestrials-...
zzzzzz.
See my post below Latin Lover. I think the Turkish president was just given NEW INFORMATION by his intelligence services, and he was so mad he let slip some form of anger at the truth behind the shoot up of the Freanch Magazine.
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All I know Jack is that policeman should have moved like he got hit in the head with a no-bullshitting sledgehammer blow, big spray of goop. He didn't react at all, no goop, no bullet hit him (at least at that time).
And why did the second guy hang back and look at him? Why didn't he at least have a raised rifle on him? Would you mess about with an armed wounded cop at close range? Just stand there with your rifle down like that? No chance I would, the guy would have got a minimum of one more hit from me, before I lowered the muzzle. The only reason I would not fire, or have my weapon up, is if I already knew that I was out of rounds, but then I'd be reloading a mag.
Even the first guy, who fired, is running up without his weapon raised and aimed! And the cop is moving around and watching him approach, moving his hands around! Who would approach like that with their weapon pointed down?
It looks all wrong, but these guys do not look well-trained to me, for the way they handled their weapon in the circumstances.
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EDIT UPDATE:
Last night I re-examined the police shooting 'high-res' video segment, in VLC, in super-slow-mo, and zoomed in, and went frame by frame, and checked the pixel changes.
What it showed was that in about the third frame after the guy fired, the policeman's left palm went from white, to dark, within one frame.
i.e. he got shot in the head, or neck, the blood spray landed in his opened palm.
How can that be?
Put you own hands up as he did, keep in mind that he was somewhat propping himself up a bit with his left shoulder, and showing the shooter his palms were already empty.
Look at where your hands now are, your left hand is right beside your head, and almost directly behind the exit path for such a bullet entry and exit.
So the wide open palm of the policeman's hand has caught most of the spray of blood and material from the wound.
So I must withdraw this comment and apologize, as it's clear to me from this, that the policeman was in fact shot in the head, or neck.
I think it important to correct this and set the record straight, and apologize, so that others don't come to the same incorrect and misleading conclusion, and be mislead by it.
I invite others to look again at the high-res video segment, and you will see that this is what has occurred.
ELEMENT
Meaningful to morons maybe.
The truth no longer matters, what matters is who do you trust ? Clearly he doesn't trust the CIA or Mossad, and it is possible that the whole incident was manufactured like so many of the arrests in the US where they actually reached out to disgruntled people and put weapons in their hands to create an arrest record. Very possible in this case as well. Who do you trust ? No one. Sucks to have a global economy where there is no real cooperation or trust.
some evidence would go along way.... speculation is one thing (and is to be encouraged) but this is out right bullshit... you want to accuse another nation of subterfuge you better prove it or face the consequences...
Funny how you, the US govt and others do not apply this same standard to the US. Of course in the west anything the govt claims is automatically declared evidence simply because the govt claimed it.
Go get a fucking life, and an EYE
Of course everybody has forgot about the Pedophile of Fuckingham.
If a Royal Child Pervert gets caught just stage a False Flag.
No problem.
The Pentagoons want some more brown people to beat up on anyway, so they can rape their kids, as they are also Child Buttfuckers.
Then they get caught marketing the Child Porn from Iraq and Afghanistan and that investigation is conveniently quashed.
The Pentagoons profits from the Afghani Opium.
The Pentagoons also profits from the Child Porn.
When Obama says, "We tortured some folks." what Obama means is, "We buttfucked some folks' children".
Evidence means little in Muslim lands
Or with some ZHers
Go to Memri.org to hear Muslim tv clips translated to English
It'll quickly clear up any doubts you may still have about the Muslim zeitgeist
And Turkey moves more to the east.
+1M. As a fellow ZHer who's been predicting Turkey's move away from NATO as one of the significant swans to be watched for, this is effing huge. Call Erdogan whatever anyone wants, this is a break with the West. Putin smiles, as new allies get fed up with the West and its endless wars.
Let's see, how do we get to the Black Sea again? THROUGH TURKEY. How does the Russian fleet, based in Crimea, access the Med? THROUGH TURKEY.
DOES ANY OF THIS SOUND FAMILIAR?
Most americans can't find Turkey on a map, much less understand the strategic significance of the Black Sea
I couldn't find Turkey either but it happened to be the day before Thanksgiving so it's understandable.
Here let me help you.
http://mondediplo.com/blogs/pipeline-chess-across-the-black-sea
All of our familiar names can be seen: Iran (evil Ayatollahs and such), Iraq (Mission Accomplished!), Syria (Assad), Georgia (of necktie-chewing fame), Azerbaijan, Turkey (Edrogan), Bulgaria, Greece (Grexit), Baku (landing point for Caspian pipelines), Turkmenistan, the Caspian (major but never-discussed oil origination), Crimea...the Dardanelles (Troy...yes, THAT Troy) and Bosphorus.
I was strolling around Wellington NZ one day, long ago, and came across the Ataturk Memorial.
When I expressed some bafflement to my friends, I got a good lecture on the War to End War, Churchill and, surprisingly, the importance of Baghdad.
I linked this recently, but it's well worth a read if you want to understand the importance of Baghdad and indeed Turkey at the start of WW1:
http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/History/Oil_and_the_Origins_of_Wor...
Secret combinations all around, and for a long time.
Also: http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/1973_Oil_Shock/1973_oil_shock.html
A good read, M. Giraffe.
The longer I live, and the more I read, the more I hate the City of London (and its minions, dupes and hangers-on, wherever they may be).
giraffe
Yep. Engdahl is very, very good.
It is right on the map next to BLT and Tuna Melt.
Rise of the Ottomans. The new and improved Ataturk?
Actually, Erdogan is the antithesis of who Ataturk was.
Ataturk was a crypto-Jew (Donmei). Erdogan? You tell me.
YES
The pipeline deal was the break. This is just kind of a late announcement.
Greece or Cyprus was also part of that same pipeline deal but I don't recall which at this point. Doesn't matter. Turkey is the jewel of whichever two it is.
South Stream was held up by EU demands on the Russian Company that they could not accept. The nations of Bulgaria, Hungary, Austria and others there in SE Europe just lost access to unlimited quantities of cheap Russia gas. Badly needed to spur economic growth in those nations. We all know the foundation for economic growth is cheap energy. Russia was ready to deliver, but the USA and the whores in Brussels killed it. So Russia said, lets send unlimited cheap energy [gas] to Turkey.
The nations of SE Europe now have no cheap easily available gas, but Turkey's economy can now grow even faster as they have no energy problems.
The US screwed Bulgaria, Hungary and others right up the ass. And they are Not Happy!
These countries and others keep saying South Stream is not dead but they are dreaming.
I would not be suprised if the USSA AND eussr are trying to take out Erdogan over the Russian pipeline deal with Turkey. I hope there is some way to help out Greece aka help them out of the EU. Russia will land it right by Turkey and Greece possibly for that reason.
"...I would not be suprised if the USSA AND eussr are trying to take out Erdogan over the Russian pipeline deal with Turkey..."
Hey - don't leave out poor Israel, you anti-semite! They have a bajillion cubic meters of gas from the Leviathan Basin they'll want to sell to Europe for top dollar in a few years. It will hardly be worth the effort to build a pipeline to Europe if it's already being well-supplied with cheap Russian gas. Turkey is a damn profit destroyer.
"Hello? Is this the Mossad phone-in order line? Yes... Nettanyahu here. I would like to order one Erdogan... to go. Can you expidite that for me? Thanks. What? Yes... charge to my ObamaCard, as usual. No need to check on the limit - there is none."
Turkey Denies Reports It's Developing Nukes October 1, 2014 - 12:10pm, by Joshua KuceraTurkey has denied claims from a German expert that the country is secretly developing a nuclear weapons program.
The claim, made by Hans Ruhle in the German newspaper Die Welt, is based on circumstantial evidence. But Ruhle, a former senior German defense ministry and NATO official, writes in the piece that Western intelligence circles are "largely in agreement about it."
http://www.eurasianet.org/node/70251
A large Sunni state with nukes, next to a large Shia state with nukes.
No problem.
"A large Sunni state with nukes, next to a large Shia state with nukes."
next to a small Jewish, Zionist state with nukes.
Fixed.
"You're goddamn right, then it's got nothing to do with the B-3 Bomber"
"There is no B-3 bomber"
(Knowingly) "I just said that! There is no B-3 bomber, and I don't know why these rumors get started!"
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"Get General Scott and the Joint Chiefs of Staff and put 'em on a plane right away; he's all flustered and nervous, talking to the Boeing people"
"Bu, but..."
"But what?"
"But there isn't a B-3 bomber."
"Where'd you go to school, kid? Wellesly?"
"Dartmouth"
"Then show a little spunk. There Is no B-3 Bomber. General Scott, the best of your knowledge, is not in Seattle to talk with Boeing."
I think it's time for the US to lead the charge out of NATO... we've just about fucking had it with you guys... the North American Combine can get along just fine without you, frankly... not to mention the entire Western Hemisphere...
Umm... yea, ok, put NATO in the dustbin of history along with the Warsaw pact, and lets move on to more pressing business.
AaaaGgggHaaaa, the five pointed building erupts in a tragic comic DYKWIM.
you say that like it's a bad thing...
Off you go then!!!!!!!
France also voted against Israel for recognition of Palestine prior to these attacks. France also wanting to lift the sanctions on Russia which also go against the USA/Israel agenda of Syria/Iraq etc. I also find suspect how the masked men got away with police walking around in some of the videos leaked by the people on the roof. I also find suspect of the masked men leaving ID behind.
Did Turkey forget the pipeline from Qatar will go through Turkey? Then why the remark? Is this to pour more fuel on the fire?
Quoting: Why the remark?
Perhaps, as a muslim, Erdogan hates being demonized by the west, due to a mossad false flag. Imagine how you would feel if someone committed a murder and left behind your DNA to frame you.
They're not supposed to give up 'the secrets' and bring the public mind into these dissonant waters. Next thing you know, Dems and Reps will be accusing oneanother of stealing elections here in the US.
Black Swans are flocking.
Ah yes, because radical muslims have never murdered innocents in the name of the allah. Never. All false flags.
Muslims tend to go in for brutal, low-tech mass murders, a la Boko Harum. Or the Armenian genocide, or what the Turks did to the Greeks, if we want to go way back.
Jobs that take an extreme degree of skill and planning (9/11, 7/7, and Charlie Hebdo), that have high PR value, are the false flags.
Agree with your last statement, +1.
You unfortunately have no idea what you're talking about. Was the 2006 regev/goldwasser kidnapping less "high tech" than Hebdo? I think not. Or countless other attacks carried out by Hamas and Hezbollah over the past 20 years, which were nothing less than military operations? No. Arabs might be lacking in intellect but they are not stupid and if you overlook that you will get punished as many Israeli generals have.
Arabs might be lacking in intellect but they are not stupid...
Really? If Arabs are lacking in intellect then they ARE STUPID.
Isn't that what the word, STUPID, means?
No. The Arabs are NOT ANYMORE STUPID THAN AMERICANS. They have Average IQs...like...like...the average American. Can you believe that?
Of course it is as the late George Carlin said and I paraphrase...Think about the average American. Those people are stupid. And HALF of those are even more stupid than that...
Just like YOU.
LMAO.
Actually, your typical arab has an IQ of 85. Considerably lower than that of your average American (98).
http://www.eutimes.net/2009/11/iq-by-country/
The data used to compile the "survey" to which you linked from the Neo Nazi publication, eutimes.net, originates from, "IQ and Global Inequality", Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen.
Wikipedia has an abridged summation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality#cite_note-IQGI-0
It seems that the book was created for the Globalists to justify policy.
It is just like "The Bell Curve", by Herrnstein and Murray was published to justify the plan for the transformation of the American Welfare/Workfare/Warfare State into the Custodial State/Police State/Prison State.
It is no different and just as unbelievable.
The methodology for data compilation is questionable in "IQ and Global Inequality" and this is just an another example of the politicization of science to realize political ends...somewhat like Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth".
Of course you will buy into Al Gore's methodologies also? No? That does that not fit your agenda?
You are not a Globalist in Sheep's Clothing, are you Buckaroo?
complete nonsense.
You Just Can’t Make This Stuff Up
I was not going to comment until I saw these posts:
the average American. Those people are stupid. And HALF of those are even more stupid than that
Followed by:
Globalist in Sheep's Clothing
And:
complete nonsense.
LOL!!!!
Now,
How stupid of an Arab leader to show up in France during the current events; and in a protest.
Wonder if we, humans, will ever learn?
Unlikely, accordingly to Tall Tom, Conterpunch, and by the actions of the Turkish President.
Arabs are no less intelligent than Americans, or anyone else..
Or do you buy into that racist crap too, Escrava?
No. I do not buy that generalization.
Just look at some of the comments, as you pointed it out.
Racist and ignorant. IQ tests have been shown to be culturally biased. There is no way to objectively gauge the intelligence between two different peoples using a test designed and tested in the context of a single culture only. Read your social science and anthropology...oh oh, yeah, I suppose that these disciplines are also all bullshit,right?
Why are you on a list of hasbara trolls over at 4chan?
Counterpunch.
I think that he actually believes the misinformation that he writes.
He is not bright enough to be a professional.
From my psychological analysis of his posts his thinking is just too distorted, convoluted, and chaotic.
He is just too invested into the Matrix and well programmed by his TeeVee Set. Just another programmed ZOMBIE.
Until the Mass Media's affect upon the American population somehow be diminished then we will continue to have these poor deluded souls on these pages.
And TT uses the phrase "Judeo-Christian" as though it were not Zionist propaganda. Read John Murray Cuddilhy, buddy, and get back to us.
Many of your other comments show promise. But don't fall for the "multicult" line, please.
I understand that all Jews are not zionist.
I understand that zionists are not, necessarily, Jews.
There are many Christians whom are zionist.
But as Christ Jesus said there are those Jews whom are posing.
Zionism is just an outgrowth of Zealotry which Jesus rejected during His ministry. As a result He was killed.
I do not uneqivocally support modern Israel or Mossad. Evil is just that and I do not support that.
I do not support most churches as they are filled with wolves.
When evil is committed then I will expose it to the Light as I am interested in Truth. It matters not if committed by Jew or Gentile.
Evil, committed in God's Name, is still evil and brings no honor nor any glory unto Him.
Dude - this gets so old. Its always the Muslims doing bad shit to the Christians. blah blah blah.... Let's see, yes, the Turks genocided the Armenians.
And yes, they also forcibly relocated the Greeks from Anatolia to Greece after WWI and, as a result, many many people died
....but that whole episode was part of an agreement between both countries to 'repatriate' their co-religionists from each other's country. I'm sure the Muslims from northern Greece were transported to Turkey without incident because Christians are so much more 'decent' and 'civilized'. Yeah, I'm sure you really believe that.
Oh, how convenient it is to forget how in the run-up to WWI, muslims in the Balkans were also all forcibly relocated into the (then receeding) Ottoman lands as the empire retreated. All those stories of them were killed and massacred as well by locals getting back at their 'occupiers' of 500 years is probably all made up. No? then yeah, sure, I guess you'll say that they 'deserved it', wouldn't you?
Why can't you see that stupid killing like this is the hallmark of all kinds of stupid people and religions and that one ain't any better or worse than the next one?
You see, it is blind partisans like yourself that make this shit go around. You (as Buckaroo Banzai) perosnally have some fine remarks and comments, but in the end you are no better than any of the other broad-striking racists out there ready to demonize an entire ethnicity or religion of people.
Wretched and sad.
Moralizing in the absence of any knowledge of context is pointless. The context here is "group competition", most cogently explored in Kevin McDonald's masterpiece trilogy on the Jews, commissioned but then rejected by them. See A People that Shall Dwell Apart, Separation and its Discontents, and Culture of Critique.
actually islam was created by the mossad is what they are trying to say
Muslims need no help in being demonized
Doing a fine job by themselves. case in point:
Christian village wiped out 2000 dead at the hands of Boko Harem last week
But it's ok, they're only black, and weren't murdered by Jews, so not worthy of ZHers attention
It's really a shame the truth movement attracts so many adherents who's critical thinking skills are stunted
No the pipeline from Qatar was never going to go through Turkey. It was always intended to go to Israel and then under the Mediterranean to Europe.
Erdogan is playing both sides, as any equivocating politician does.
The real experts are in the U.S. CONgress.
And the facts are the facts because we (government and MSM) say they are the FACTS! Don't you get it? There are no other facts, only our facts. And we investigate everyone and everything to bring these facts to the table for pounding.
We invite all doubters to use their heads to pound the table.
Same ole, same ole
If your sister is cute, I'll pound your sister.
LOOK AT THIS FALSE FLAG SOLVED! No Blood No Bullet=NO BODY DIED....Folks, what we have here is an EPIC FALSE FLAG FAIL!.A military man/woman will understand this---the rest of you just try and follow along-like your life depends on it...Note: Double dust cloud caused by double impact of hot gasses followed by the paper plug from the blank cartridge. Subject (victim?) unaffected by shot drops two frames later. Normally a director would call for a retake in a scene like this.)
Photo represents the first acoustic signature at the speed of sound, 1126 feet per second, received approximately 100 feet away. By that time, the bullet/blank wad, hot gasses, moving at up to 2500 feet per second have pushed a cloud of dust under the still elevated “victim” with hands still raised.
The sound took .088 seconds to reach the camera. An AK round at 2460 feet per second traveling 3 feet would have impacted in .0012 seconds. Based on the differential between light speed and the speed of sound, the victim impact would have been visible .0868 seconds into this frame. By that time, the victim would have been obliterated in a pink mist.
At the time seen the frame, the bullet will have traveled 213 feet unless its path was altered. As noted above, during the first .0012 seconds, it would have obliterated the head of our very alive and well at the time, police officer. Then again, bullets break up chunks of concrete, something we will also demonstrate and don’t simply dust off a sidewalk. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/12/fiasco-france-lie-to-me-once/
WHAT???? The 100 year anniversary of the Armenian genocide, carried out by the Turkish MUSLIMS, is this year, 2015. Erdogan is lying when he says, "As Muslims, we have never sided with terror or massacres..."
Never heard of Donmeh?
There are plenty of masacres to go around, in the one great Family of Mankind, but if there was one current nation I would not expect to even claim to be innocent of massacres it would be Turkey.
My favourite anecdote from the destruction of Greek Smyna is the British warships in the harbour playing music, so the crews wouldn't have to listen to the screams coming from the docks and the city.
@ So Close Brilliant comment !!
Once again for those who may not be aware: Charlie Hebdo is an equal opportunity offender. Always has been.
Also, for those who aren't aware: the "Charlie" in the title is a direct piss-take of Charles de Gaulle and "Hebdo" is short for "hebdomadaire" which means "weekly". "Weekly Charlie" is the literal translation into English.
Now all of you, get a fucking grip. Grow up. This is a shit situation and it's no false flag or Mossad game or anything else you asshole Americans want to pretend it is because you simply cannot imagine that a weekly newspaper is allowed to print such raw satire because in the USA all your mouths are in fact silenced.
Read this carefully and you may just get an idea of what's going on:
http://listverse.com/2015/01/09/10-incendiary-moments-in-the-history-of-...
Banzai7 never gets close to this, he wouldn't dare. He'd be thrown out of his Hong Kong perch if he even tried to be what Charlie Hebdo is.
Exactly how defense attorneys get guilty people off to stupid juries.
Says a lot, however, about the state of Turkey and Russia, when even their "leaders" can pound such bullshit in people and not be embarrassed.
Oh, Russia didn't invade Crimea either. And Putin and Erdo?an control "democracies."
You are right . Russia didn't invade Crimea
Coincidence?
Hmmmm....
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I have kinda, sorta, had that figured that out from my beginning here.
I was involved in a group that was shilled with two passive moderators in a planned small group...
Now it was not nefarious and, as it was revealed at a later point, it was not dishonest.
Now I knew that our small group had "A Mole". But to my dismay I did not realize that it had two.
But it was a fun game to "detect the mole". I considered it an intellectual challenge.
Passive moderation.
Good job.
Erdogan is a second tier tyrant compared to guys like the Kims or the Ayatollahs or even the Premier and President of China among others, but yeah he is an unrepentant wholly worthless piece of shit whose death would enrich the world.
Someone should ask Erdogan how many French Muslim "victims" his country is willing to accept for permanent relocation.
There are Theaters and then there are Theaters of the Absurd. I feel like I've been forced to watch Plan 9 From Outer Space from front and center seats since I popped out slathered in blood, mucous, and then was slapped vigorously on the ass by a complete stranger.
"Plan 9 From Outer Space"
Good movie, what's your point?
Yehhck! I feel bad for you... I arrived via Stork Air Freight.
Oh hell yeah, Plan 9 from Mossad !!! Hahahaha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ukRYsYPmo
In the meantime he exports the illiterates of Antalya to Germany. And don't ask him about how Europeans get into Syria...
Wondering if Erdogan feels vulnerable. He saw what happened to Gadaffi and Libya once the word came down. Maybe the high powers are shifting toward the Fethullah Gulen movement?
Gladio-B, all six parts:
http://www.corbettreport.com/sibel-edmonds-explains-whos-at-the-top-of-t...
He sure is not liked in Syria. Syria pretty much minds it's own business and the NWO scum have destroyed the country and murdered hundreds of thousands.
And yours would go unnoticed, so?
For people who don't understand Turkish politics, Erdogan's party has ties to the so-called Islamic State, and Erdogan was successful in dismantling the political safety structure put into place by Ataturk long ago, a secular military which would take action whenever the government veered too religious extremist.
Erdogan did a famous removal massacre whereby he replaced the secular general staff with his own extremist ilk.
And so it goes . . .
Exactly. It irks me every time I read in the Economist the "mildly Islamist Erdogan". Bullshit mildly Islamist. Any Islamist is too Islamist. Got news for you tribe haters out there. Whatever the merits of your loud complaining about how the Tribe controls the world for their own benefit, the Islamists are not like us at all while the Tribe for the most part is. Mossad may have a hand in this or that atrocity as they try to play the Saudis and the Americans against the Iranians and the Russians and whoever else matters in the game, but they at least are generally on the same side as we are, while all Islamists are on the other side pretty much all the time.
The 'tribe' is on no-ones side but their own; playing muslims against christians in typical divide and conquer fashion. Heres a quote from Lord Cornwallis to G Washington after the conclusion of the Revolutionary War..."a holy war will now begin on America and when it is ended, America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects, your churches will be used to teach the Jews' religion and in less than 200 years, the whole nation of America will be working for divine world government. All religions will be permeated with Judaism, without even being noticed by the masses, and it will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the grand architect of freemasonry..."
Obscure qutes from historical figures are even better when served with a reference.
(i.e. where did you read this?)
Legions of Satan by Jonathan Williams, 1781
Thanks.
IF YOUR QUOTE IS TRUE...Cornwallis' words seem too have borne out fruit.
And Williams does not seem to have a stake in this game at present...since he is dead.
But checking your source on the other quote exposed INACCURACY.
So how credible are you?
Are you flipping serious quoting Lord Cornwallis at everyone? Of course all religions will be permeated with Judaism. Muslims and Jews share the same flipping ancestors! And Christianity was just a Messianic offshot of Judaism! Wtf? As for the downvotes it is amazing to me that anti-Semitism permeates ZH, though thankfully not as badly as it does Europe.
Yes, I am aware that christianity and islam were offshoots of the tribe. I have equal disdain for all religion. "The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites." —Thomas Jefferson
That is a great quotation.
That Three Headed Beast is a description of Satan..not God.
And many whom proclaim to be Christian are merely Wolves in Sheep's clothing, as the link ascribes.
I may disdain organized religion. But I do not disdain God Almighty. Do not fall into the trap of equating man's religious practice and the holiness of the Creator.
A man who likens himself to be God will lead to our imminent destruction by the hand of that man...He is the antichrist.
That is dishonest. I hoped that you do better...
In fact your reference, http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/thomas_jefferson.htm , states,
This whole quote is false...
“The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites.”Zionists are far more of a danger to Westerners because they occupy so many positions of power and offer allegiance to Israel first... and 'their' domiciled countries a distant second.
The Muzzies are still considerably less than 10% in Europe and have very little actual power. They can shoot up a few journos, or blow themselves up, but the damage they inflict on our countries is nothing like as systemic (or insidious) as the Zionists'.
But anyway, what's really riling the Muzzies are the atrocities the Zionists are making our governments do to Muzzies overseas. Charlie Hebdo was chosen as a target for revenge for France's bombing of ISIS, because of their taunting mockery to their prophet.
End the Anglo-American/ZATO empire, stop incentivising Muzzie immigrants by ending socialised services like healthcare and education, and the problem will disappear. Won't happen, though; the sheep loves them their masters.
Depends on what you call "power". What about the thousands of girls raped by muslim grooming gangs in England? Or the rape epidemic in Sweden being perpetrated by muslim invaders? Or the de-facto establishment of Sharia law in England?
Islam works from the bottom up, infiltrating foreign cultures and destabilizing them. In England they are only at Stage 2 of their 4-stage plan, yet you can't deny how effective they have been there.
Depends on what you call "power". What about the thousands of girls raped by muslim grooming gangs in England?
Unless you're insinuating that there's something 'Islamic' about the pedo grooming done by the Muslims in Rotherham, their religion is irrelevant, just as it would be in the many instances of Christians committing crimes in Britain or elsewhere.
Or the rape epidemic in Sweden being perpetrated by muslim invaders?
What? It's Islamorape? In the US most rape is committed by blacks. Do we examine their 'religion' ?
Or the de-facto establishment of Sharia law in England?
Doesn't exist. Muslims may elect to have their civil quarrels arbitrated by a sharia court, just as disputing Christians or Jews could go and see their respective heirophants; but they're as subject to criminal law as everyone else.
If you weren't so fervantly pro-Israel when they're slaughtering Gazan children I'd assume you were just speaking out of reactionary ignorance; but we know your agenda round here, Zionist.
You are wrong and willfully blind. The religion permeates the nasueous culture that promotes the denigration of women and is part and parcel of it.
So, are you saying Israel are not on the side of ISIS or the Saudi's?
This issue from a Mossad / Israel standpoint can be looked at in my view in the sense that there is a specific influence that a certain phenotype of people have had in crafting multicultural policies, and that they along with western intelligence have fostered Radical political islam.
Where erdogan goes wrong is that his country have also supported them.. So yeah some good information, and some bullshit.
"False Flag - Mossad"
Hollande: " Ben, would rather you didn't fly in for "zee solidaritee" rally. No need to stir things up more than they are"
Netanyahu: "I don't need to fly in François. I'm already here in town for several weeks - handling other business"
Hollande: (Silence)
"Click Dial tone...."
"I'm burned out on assbackward, 3rd world pieces of shit. Nuke 'em and let's get on with life."
Better yet, nuke Tel Aviv and bring the potential for peace, once and for all, to the middle east.
WHAT???? The 100 year anniversary of the Armenian genocide, carried out by the Turkish MUSLIMS, is this year, 2015. Erdogan is lying when he says, "As Muslims, we have never sided with terror or massacres..."
dude your'e kind of stupid. we do that everyday already but without nukes.
Meanwhile, Boko Haram is using tiny girls as suicide bombers...
No one really gives a shit if you're burned out, compadre. Croak and die! Believe me, life will go on without you. In the meanwhile, i'd rather not have strontium in my morning coffee.
I'm burned out on assbackards pieces of shit too. Unfortunately they are running the world.
So sick of this S**T. Bring it on. My ammo is ready for a "Come to Jesus or Allah" moment. Just don't be cowards. Bring it front & center and let heaven sort it out.
Why would anybody down vote this? Let's get this shit show started. Enough with the proxy wars, I want a WOAR!
Can't wait for Fallout to happen IRL. I'll move to Detroit, the safest city on earth after the apocalypse.
"3rd world pieces of shit. Nuke 'em and let's get on with life."
Which one? The U.S. or Israel?
Wow. How long until Turkey leaves NATO?
he is just warming up the ovens to gain support at home. I hope this puts to rest the idea that they can enter the eu
Do you mean because the rest of NATO doesn't have the testicular fortitude to just boot their asses out? /sarc
I was thinking how long till they are completely over run by ISIS...
Is this why the Mack daddy or crew didn't attend the rally?
Maybe afeared he was gonna have to defend the attackers while the defenders were still defending the defenseless from the attackers, putting everybody on the defense except some of the defense who already knew about the attack before hand but didn't defend the defenseless from the attackers who did a run around the defense.
Can't blame him.....
Oh that's right, he was busy Sunday.
Yeah, busy watching football...
Hey...!!! That's the 'Long-legged' Mac Daddy to you bud...
Erdogan displays that he too is infected with the mental disorder that is Islam. He's using one of the oldest Islamic tricks in the book. Blame others with things you are doing.
Here's the solution.
Ban Islam. Deport its adherents to Muslim countries.
Correct
down voters just hate Jews
I gave you a down vote and I do not hate jews. Just because I disagree with you does not mean I am an anti semite.
I am Charlie, and I support free speech. Don't you??
Anti-semitic, Its a Trick, We Always Use it – YouTube
Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni on Democracy Now says “Anti-semitic”, “its a trick we always use it”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFB0pJYO-QA
When you look like that you have no choice but to be a nihilist... This is a woman who her entire life has been leeching off public funds as a "public servant", and has no other accomplishments to her name other than being fugly and wailing about some supposed "nakbah". But go ahead and base whatever claims you want to on her...
Google "Semite"
What a load of headfuck bullshit, it's a bit like being called anti-banana for criticising an apple.
then there's this....
One of the worlds leading geneticists, Dr. Eran Elhaik of Johns Hopkins University [himself of European “Jewish” ancestry], published a study in 2013 which conclusively determined that European Jews have exactly zero Semitic DNA [they are not Semites], and are in fact Khazar’s [origin modern day Georgia/Ukraine], who converted to Judaism around 800 AD.
So this literally means Netanyahoo is a non semite, which explains why he looks eastern european. Even moreover, he's the one killing the semites. So quite literally, Netanyahoo and his government are anti-semites.
Orwell would have a field day with this.
Wait. So are they Gog or Magog?
"Wait. So are they Gog or Magog?"
"When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore" - Revelation 20:7.8
Note that "Gog and Magog" is here a euphemism for "the nations which are in the four corners (North, South, East and West) of the earth", that is, all individuals that did not put faith in Jesus Christ make up "Gog and Magog."
Wait. So are they Gog or Magog?
The Nazi Holocaust happened. It happened.
But "There's No Business Like Shoah Business" is also a reality. This isn't just my opinion, others think so as well:
http://www.salon.com/2000/08/30/finkelstein_2/
Finkelstein's book is well worth reading.
what do you mean it happened? You think 6 million Jews were deliberately executed in Nazi camps?
If so - what is the source of this figure?
"The Nazi Holocaust happened"
Is That Really True?
You claim that you seek truth?
Here is a list, by name, of every single American Army and Army Air Force military man that was killed during World War II.
http://www.archives.gov/research/military/ww2/army-casualties/index.html
Here is a list, by name, of every single US Navy, Marine and Coast Guard military serviceman that was killed during World War II
http://www.archives.gov/research/military/ww2/navy-casualties/index.html
Did you know that America lost a total of 407,316 Military personell in that war? And with those records we can actually put a name on each and every one of those killed?
Did you know that we were not the only belligerant nation?
Here...let me do this for the UK...or France...or the former Soviet Union??? I will bet that I can find it for the UK as easily as I found the information for the USA.
France's records would be incomplete and the former Soviet Union's records I am sure are even in more disarray. But it is reported that the former Soviet Union lost over 12 Million troops on the Eastern Front from 1941 to May, 1945.
But I need not do your research for you,
Now you gave me a link, http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm, which purports to report truth, which makes the outragous claim that "according to Douglas Reed's Behind the Scene and The Controversy of Zion, a mere 850,000 soldiers and others were killed by the entire German and Japanese war machines combined during WW2 (see p.397-400 of Douglas Reed's book Controversy of Zion)"
Supposedly the United States suffered almost ONE HALF of the casualties during World War II?
Now that is INCREDIBLE.
You do not think.
You parrot information, or, misinformation, WITHOUT DOING ANY INDEPENDENT RESEARCH WHATSOEVER?
Now ANY EVIDENCE reported on that web page has been IMPEACHED, as it is EVIDENTIAL that they do not research and do not think about what they write.
As for your credibility...It has been IMPEACHED.
The mistake which you make is that you somehow believe that others will not research the archives because you lack due duilligence to research the archives yourself.
I care about TRUTH. That is the reason that I clicked upon that link...and uncovered an outrageous inaccuracy.
You seek not truth. You seek to promote an agenda.