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Turkish President's Stunning Outburst: The French Are Behind The Charlie Hebdo Massacre; Mossad Blamed
It was less than 48 hours ago when Turkey’s prime minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, joined millions marching in Paris to pay tribute to the 17 people killed by ISIS-supporting extremists. Then, almost the moment he got back, things changed, and as the FT politely paraphrases what transpired, the "country’s president struck a much more confrontational tone." That's one way of putting it. Another is that the former PM and current president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, of NATO-member Turkey did the unthinkable: accused the west, and French citizens in particular, of staging the Charlie Hebdo murder in order to blame Muslims, even as the mayor of Ankara said "Mossad is definitely behind such incidents . . . it is boosting enmity towards Islam."
"The duplicity of the west is obvious,” Recep Tayyip Erdogan said at a press conference on Monday evening. “As Muslims we have never sided with terror or massacres: racism, hate speech, Islamophobia are behind these massacres.”
His punchline: "The culprits are clear: French citizens undertook this massacre and Muslims were blamed for it,” he added.
The FT is confused: "Although political leaders in Turkey have repeatedly condemned the attacks on the Charlie Hebdo magazine, a Jewish supermarket and a policewoman, a parallel narrative has emerged in the country, with conspiracy theorists blaming the murders on foreign intelligence agencies rather than radical Islamists."
It's not just the French who were said to be behind the attack: so is Mossad:
Melih Gokcek, mayor of Ankara for the ruling AK party, said on Monday that “Mossad [the Israeli intelligence service] is definitely behind such incidents . . . it is boosting enmity towards Islam.” Mr Gokcek linked the attacks to French moves towards recognising Palestine.
Ali Sahin, a member of Turkey’s parliament and foreign affairs spokesman for the AK party, last week set out eight reasons why he suspected the killings were staged so that “the attack will be blamed on Muslims and Islam”.
But back to Erdogan:
In his own remarks on Monday, Mr Erdogan added: “Games are being played throughout the Islamic world”. He expressed bewilderment that French intelligence services had not followed the culprits more effectively.
The FT is further confused that Turkey is not the only place which has dared to offer conspiratorial theories: Russia is too.
In Russia, some pro-Kremlin commentators sought to link the killings to geopolitical machinations by the US.
Komsomolskaya Pravda, one of Russia’s leading tabloids, ran the headline: “Did the Americans stage the terror attack in Paris?” and posted a series of interviews on its website that presented various reasons why Washington might have organised the attack.
In one interview, Alexander Zhilin, head of the pro-Kremlin Moscow Centre for the Study of Applied Problems, claimed the terror attack was US retribution against President François Hollande for a January 6 radio interview in which Mr Hollande urged the EU to lift sanctions against Russia. Washington used the attacks as “a quick fix for consolidating” US and EU geopolitical interests in Ukraine, Mr Zhilin claimed.
The FT is most stunned that in Russia the events in Charlie Hebdo are being equated to the 9/11 tragedy:
“For the last 10 years, so-called Islamist terrorism has been under the control of one of the world’s leading intelligence agencies,” Alexei Martynov, director of the International Institute for New States, a think-tank, told pro-Kremlin internet outlet LifeNews. “I am sure that some American supervisors are responsible for the terror attacks in Paris, or in any case the Islamists who carried them out.”
Whatever could have given the Russian this idea...
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Turkey must come clean on its collaborative role in Syria, aiding the jihadist. Failure to do that will ultimately suffer same fate of higher rate of suicide bombings in time....
Ah the voice of 'moderate Islam' - deafening in its total absolute silence. Where the the 'Islam is a religion of peace and respect' trope even come from? I know we all joke about the Zombie Apocalypse, but I kind of think it's arrived in the form of this brain-dead, unquestioning, dogmatic, backward, hate-filled force for evil.
And....what would Oscar Levant say about all this, hmmmm?
next up holocaust inventied to give palestine to the jews
Wrong war that happened in WW 1
Time to go after those Muslims and deport Muslims out of any non Muslim country. Clearly this is what needs to be done and isn't discrimination.
How about this...I think black people need to be deported out of North America and sent back to Africa. Most acts of violence and crime in general involve black people so clearly there is something wrong with the race and they should go back to where they came from.
Now I am sure the majority of morons in western nations think the first is fine and lump the world's billion+ Muslims with these alleged extremist terrorists but would be appalled at the black deportation idea yet they're pretty much the same thing. Just as they can say the religion produces these violent acts (it doesn't) one could say the black race produces criminals which it also doesn't. People are responsible for their actions not religions or anything else for that matter.
Only once you got rid of the Msulims and blacks would things be great and everyone left in the country would be holding hands around a camp fire singing Kumbaya.
Just as they can say the religion produces these violent acts (it doesn't)
Seriously, have you any knowledge of what the Koran says Muhammad did?
They are just following their leader, that is why they are so violant.
stop listening to the MSM lies about Islam
that is how we got a Muslim in the White House
Meanwhile OUR governments train up thousands more terrorists to make further chaos in the Mid East, using OUR taxpayers money to do it. Aren't Turkey and Jordan the main training camp areas?
So short the Lira?
"The culprits are clear: French citizens undertook this massacre and Muslims were blamed for it"
Mr. Erdogan is mixing citizenship and religion: the terrorist were indeed French citizens BUT ALSO muslims!
Wow...state-sponsored wackoism, from the head of state no less!
Remember when Turkey was supposed to be the one Muslim country that wasn't completely nuts? Remember when Turkey was supposed to be the demonstration that the majority of Muslims could be decent and moderate? Ooops.
Turkey goes East:
After the oil pipeline, then come the other version of the Charlie Hebdo attacks.
End of times ?
Gog and Magog and then the second coming.
Hint: Jewland will rule before the second coming, then Jewland will be destroyed.
"Gog and Magog and then the second coming."
Correction:
Second coming, then, 1,000 years later, Gog and Magog:
"When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore" - Revelation 20:7.8
Also note that "Gog and Magog" is here a euphemism for "the nations which are in the four corners (North, South, East and West) of the earth", that is, all individuals that did not put faith in Jesus Christ make up "Gog and Magog."
Revelation is literally, symbolically about Christians in the 1st century Roman empire - when they were persecuted by Rome, and most of all, by Jews looking to suppress the new, fairly non-Jewish cult.
“Revelation is literally, symbolically about Christians in the 1st century Roman empire”
Wrong.
There are numerous passages that prove you wrong:
Revelation 11:15 - And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Is Christ reigning now? No.
Revelation 22:5 - And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Is there no night, or sun? No
Revelation 21:3 - And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.
Is God’s Tabernacle with us, is God dwelling with us? No.
Revelation 20:6 - Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Has anyone reigned a thousand years? No.
These are but a few of many Scriptures that prove you have interpreted incorrectly.
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Erdogan should fit in great around here......
(triple post, yikes!!)
The Zerohedge Jew-bashing, Mossad conspiratorialists should pay heed to this man's words:
"Melih Gokcek, mayor of Ankara for the ruling AK party, said on Monday that “Mossad [the Israeli intelligence service] is definitely behind such incidents?.?.?.?it is boosting enmity towards Islam.” Mr Gokcek linked the attacks to French moves towards recognising Palestine."
Lest one start to sound like a tin foil hat wearing nutjob!
One day a person of authority will tell you the thousand+ year old conspiracy is true and you will be allowed to believe.
Islam is no conspiracy theory. Them chopping your head off as the scream allah snackbar is conspiracy reality.
you don't get out much, do you?
And Gold and Silver markets are not manipulated
You may want to wander back over to the Yahoo message boards with the rest of the sheep. You're obviously lost
these governments know the inside scoop, so go figure. WTF does the FT know except propaganda and BS!
YeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaa When the Muslim in the White doesn't show it's not long before the truth comes out.
Arabs - Muslims - Palestinians have been demonized ever since the founding of Israel. Before that, Jews and Arabs lived peacefully side by side in Palestine. False flag attacks are too numerous to list here, but the one that will always stick in my craw is the murder of Robert Kennedy in 1968.
For those who don't remember, Kennedy had just won the California Presidential primary to be the Democratic candidate for President in the 1968 elections. He was very popular, and almost certainly would have defeated Richard Nixon in the November election. The man convicted of his murder was Sirhan Sirhan, a Palestinian.
Photographs taken in the kitchen of the Ambasador Hotel clearly show Sirhan Sirhan in front of Kennedy firing a handgun at Kennedy before he was tackled by Rosey Grier. The autopsy report states that the fatal shot came from behind at close range, but this was not entered into evidence at Sirhan Sirhan's trial.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spies/assassins/kennedy/5.html
The Arabs and Jews lived in peace, side by side? What?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory...
Do a google for "Thane Eugene Cesar"
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/pandora/rfk.html
Islam has 1400 years of violence and warfare against Christians and Jews, occasional rare bouts of peace notwithstanding.
Not sure where you get your history from.
christianity has led a 2000 year old war against civilization with their jewish brothers adding another several hundred years of smiting action. the muslims are a bit late to the party but, in abrahamic tradition, they jumped on the infidel bandwagon as soon as they could.
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So big fucking deal. Ask this moron why ISIS was training on Turkish soil?
Better still: ask him how Europe will view Turkey's repeated application to belong to the Eurozone after his latest rant? "Do you like me now?" should be a Turkish Twitter meme.
My perspecive/opinion is that the Turkish PM has some sort of dementia happening. But, you know, let's humor the poor sod. Let's come up with a ZH list of all things that we can blame on Mossad/Israel.
1) Honor killings in Pakistan or India
2) Unemployment in third world countries
3) Boko Horumph
4) ISIL
5) The Taliban
6) All devistating hurricanes and tornadoes. Let's thow in floods while we're at it.
7) the never ending fighting between Hamas and PA
9) the fighting between Shia and Sunnhi
10) the ongoing and mindless media exposure of Kim Kardashian.
That's just ten and I barely scratched the surface.
That's ten and you're going way out on limbs on at least eight of them.
You think Turkey and Russia have intel agencies??????? darrrrrrrrrrrrrr............people seem to think only the CIA/GCHQ/Mossad etc are valid intel. The world's seen enough of the BS intel from these clowns. Oh, where the F was the WMD's that Saddam had????? Oh, what about 9/11 and the clowns that couldn't even fly a frigging baby plane properly, let alone a precision flight paths of a passenger plane????? People must be flipping MORONS/IDIOTS to think otherwise. So is what Turkey and Russia say so beyond belief?
Yeah, just blame Islam.
Or
Islamic fundamentalists have been proven over and over to be useful idiots. Funded and armed by the West, directed by Mossad sleeper agents and very easily manipulated into acts of violence. You need enemies to further your imperial aspirations - we all know this.
Islam is no better or worse than any other religion. If you're Muslim then you're goyim, and a heathen, if you're Jewish then you're an infidel and a heathen, and if Christian you're still goyim and an infidel. All of these major religions are intolerant, and a relic of iron age desert tribe creation myths, largely based on previous Babylonian religious beliefs, with a good mix of Sun worship, Egyptian doctrine and whatever else appealed to the many many (many) different writers that crafted the central texts (which ironically are all related to each other).
Religion isn't the problem, it's a distraction, it's an easy way to push buttons to manipulate people. The problem is lust for power, imperial ambition and the mechanisms of control. The architects will use whatever means are at their disposal. It's often hard to see the plan, but the consequences are obvious. A divided people are easier to control - an angered people are easier to direct, and a distraction makes it easier to work behind the scenes.
I'm sick of hearing 'just burn them', etc, from supposedly open-minded people. Use your fucking brain, if it's divisive, emotional, collectivist or fear-mongering then you are being played. YOU become yet another useful idiot, and a tool in the destruction of your own freedom and peace. We have been taught to run on emotions. Turn on the TV, all you see is people venting spray-paint emotions, superficial catchphrases and fake compassion. Compare this to the scientific revolution where reason was promoted as the greatest tool of understanding, where rhetoric and debate were taught in schools and when education meant learning about life rather than vocational training. We're all running on ego and emotion, and it's turning us into hate filled idiots, unable to discern the angles, the greater game and will never lead us to peace, only war, destruction and death.
So, I don't believe that the leadership of Turkey are a particularly wholesome bunch, I don't think Islam (or any other religion) is going to ever exist without violence, but I am willing to consider any well reasoned argument, no matter the source, and I'm inclined to agree with some of this opinion without feeling the need to resort to emotion and writing off opinions just because of an emotional reaction. It's a well used logical fallacy, and I'm sick of seeing people fall for it. And just because you're exploring different possibilities, doesn't make you a conspiracy theorist, it means you're thinking around a subject, questioning, engaging mental faculties (yeah, we see what you did there, FT). So in 2015 can we please start thinking and not just reacting? Please?
Islam is fundamentally intolerant; intolerance is literally built into their scripture. The word "Islam" means "submission".
Christianity is fundamentally tolerant; the New Testament is crystal clear on this. Actual, legitimate Christians (not posers) routinely get abused for their tolerance. Look at how they are getting treated in the middle east, its a perfect example. The level of persecution, rape, and murder against Christians is mind boggling, and yet they do not resist.
Judaism is somewhere in between.
Given the history of Christianity, I can't see how it has any less potential for this sort of behaviour than any other. No one expects the Spanish inquisition!
Judaism is somewhere in between? I can't agree with that at all, self-chosenism to the detriment of all the other humans just plain sucks as a doctrine (and the Talmud is pretty nutso at times - quite a number of Jewish scholars even agree with this).
It always just comes down to 'those whom are not as good as us'. And that's just accident of birth, and therefore totally illogical.
Thought your first comment in this thread was pretty good btw.
The Spanish Inquisition was an historical oddity. Spain at that time was a real mess, there were a lot of jews and muslims who were pretending to be Christian, which was making it very difficult to understand whose loyalties lay where. It didn't help that a critical component of muslim faith is that it is OK to pretend to be Christian in order to deceive and betray the infidel. Bad circumstances during desperate times led to some bad decisions on the part of the Catholic Church
In the other side of the Atlantic there was also a "historical oddity" with lots of witches pretending to be nice Christian ladies...
"Bad circumstances during desperate times led to some bad decisions on the part of the Protestant Church"
"Judaism is somewhere in between."
Agreed. They play Christians and Moslems off against each other.
Jews are intolerant, Christians are intolerant, Buddhists are intolerant, atheists are intolerant, etc.. For the last you only need to read some Dawkins, or watch his Meme/Dolphins psychedelia to realise how thoroughly religious science has become. Science has promoted religious war against the Middle East to ensure that only those who believe in reductionism and making machines to roleplay as Spock will have a say in the world (just listen to Michio Kaku on how we must achieve Civilization Type One by any means necessary, is there anything more NWO than these scientists working with the deep state?).
As for Christianity being tolerant, not in the least. All organised religions use their myths/reasons to promote their own eschatology. Christianity promotes a facade of love while at the same time manipulating Jewish ideas and waging war on any group who claims to hold the identity of God in their cities. The whole idea of Christianity is that God was killed and turned into the love of man, a man who was also killed as an eternal warning to all other religions. Could anything be more intolerant?
When we see Christianity this way it makes sense that we live in a world of doublespeak and false love masquerading as mobilisation for war. Capitalism and democracy are fundamentally Christian ideas, and Western leaders can walk the streets hand in hand, while at the same time preparing for WWIII, because of the Christian doctrine of love in death.
Some religions are just more abstract and manipulative in their violent processes. Christianity was thousands of writings basically stating War is Peace.
Good stuff. The idea of intolerant Buddhists is always a controversial point, but the doctrine of karma results in people born with disabilities to recieve some very poor treatment.
And science and atheism as modern religions I agree with too - again, anything that plays into the 'we are better than you' meme.
7 billion of us on a small planet circling a fairly unimpressive star in one of countless billions of galaxies and we all think we're beautiful and unique snowflakes. What a race of morons.
Science can have it's religious tendency also:
The climate gate.
In fact modern science (and Atheist) is much alike an organized religion.
Atheist can be radical also: they say there is no God (without proof) instead of the real Atheism which is "I don't believe in God", Atheism is the belief that there is no God !
The second half of your rant is way off base.
Actual Christian's don't believe as you say they do: "The whole idea of Christianity is that God was killed and turned into the love of man, a man who was also killed as an eternal warning to all other religions."
No, Christians believe that God's Son, out of His love for humans, came both to teach the truth and then be sacrificed as a ransom to pay for the sins of all humankind that put faith in Him.
Nothing could be more loving and unselfish, to be willing to die to give others life.
Nothing false about it.
Perhaps you're referring to CINOs (Christian In Name Only)?
You represent the stutidity of our nation.Where do you read your history?In Bibnle school?
Just how many instances do I read the word "Submit" in the New Testament?
Christianity is the religion of submission.
Luk 10:17 "Then the seventy-two returned with joy, saying, ‘Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name!’"
Heb 12:9 "Besides, we have experienced discipline from our earthly fathers and we respected them; shall we not submit ourselves all the more to the Father of spirits and receive life?"
Rom 8:7 "because the outlook of the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to the law of God, nor is it able to do so."
Rom 10:3 "For ignoring the righteousness that comes from God, and seeking instead to establish their own righteousness, they did not submit to God’s righteousness."
Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject (submiy) to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except by God’s appointment, and the authorities that exist have been instituted by God.
1Co 16:16 "also to submit to people like this, and to everyone who cooperates in the work and labors hard."
Eph 5:22 "Wives submit to your husbands as to the Lord"
Col 3:8 "Wives submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord"
Tit 2:9 Slaves are to be subject (submit) to their own masters in everything, to do what is wanted and not talk back,
Tit 3:1 Remind them to be subject (submit) to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work.
1Pe 2:13 Be subject (submit) to every human institution for the Lord’s sake, whether to a king as supreme
1Pe 2:18 Slaves, be subject (submit) to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are perverse.
1Pe 3:22 who went into heaven and is at the right hand of God with angels and authorities and powers subject (submitted) to him.
1Pe 5:5 In the same way, you who are younger, be subject to (submit yourselves to) the elders. And all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.
Jas 4:7 "So submit to God. But resist the devil and he will flee from you."
It is the same Greek word.
You find freedom when you seek to submit yourself, seek to lose your freedom.
It is rather paradoxical...but then it does work.
It is like finding a lover. When you seek one then she will elude you. When you stop seeking then she will find you.
That's the dumbest analysis written by someone who has read neither the Koran nor the Bible (both incarnations), that I've read in a looong time. As a scholar of theology, I find your comments to be indicative of your place of complete and utter ignorance of the subject matter at hand.
I'm impressed. Nice work.
The solution is in finding who is writing and cashing the weapons and dope checks.
Find them, burn them and we are shed of all the distractions.
http://www.locutions.org/2015/01/3-gifts-for-october-13-2017/
give Erdogan a break, he's the Muslim Joe Biden, just an idiot screwed in like a lightbulb
Looks like Erdogan has the same level of retardedness as some of you stupid fuckers here. Next you'll blame Bush.
Bush did remove the primary opponent of Iran and he was anti Communist and anti mullah anti emir dictator Saddam, Saddams' Iraq kill rate was lower than ours or the current regime and he produced more oil too.
But don't let me bum out your 5 trillion dollar sub-prime criminal invasion Booosh high
Blame the entire BUSH mafia family going back over four generations.
Take some time to learn the fucked up history of these assholes.
JFK to 911 Everything Is A Rich Man's Trickhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM
Go back to breathing your chem trail horseshit and FEMA tent prisons.
Nations aligning for the "conflict"
“Did the Americans stage the terror attack in Paris?”
So, a muslim then
His fate is going to end.
he knows it and as every traitor, he will hang, this Erdogan.
He deserves it.
It is appropriately juvenile and cartoonsih, scapegoats upon scapegoats, on each and every side, they're all goats.
Scapegoat derives from the common English translation of the Hebrew term azazel which occurs in Leviticus 16:8 after the prefix la-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoat
How did it end up in FT?
think about that.
giving a forum to opposition to the status quo? or a signal that the world has had enough of radical judaism and the gloves are off?
all that needs to happen is for someone to take out nutandyahoo to send the message the neocon radical jew time is over just like they announced the neocon arrival with the murder of rabin.
Yeah we all know about Mossad and false flags, but at some point organic, unorganized islamic flavoured terror IS possible.
it is not only possible it is the objective of all this crap western security agencies(led by the usa and mossad) have engaged in since before 9/11.
Guy obviously reads Zero Hedge.
*Mossad behind a terrorist attack. No say it aint so...*
Looks like they were Libertied.
WHAT???? The 100 year anniversary of the Armenian genocide, carried out by the Turkish MUSLIMS, is this year, 2015. Erdogan is lying when he says, "As Muslims, we have never sided with terror or massacres..."
the jews said that never happened so edrogan is right.
Isnt this the guy who wanted to send people into Syria, to attack Turkey, so they could conjure up a phony pretext to invade?
Edit: Yes. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-27/here-youtube-false-flag-attack-...
He got balls. Even Putin won't dare to say that.
Not that there is any need to post this after what has already been randomly discussed on this subject but might as well just for posterity sake! Great Storm Clouds gathering in this shooting.
If you want to watch without logging into youtube you can watch it in it's entirety through WhatReallyHappened.com
http://whatreallyhappened.com/category/cover-ups#axzz3OjAstuiM
Charlie Hebdo Shootings - Censored Video
Where is his evidence? Until Mr. Erdogan has evidence to the contrary no one is going to believe his conspiracy nonsense. Oh you'll get plenty of propagandists on both sides during war time trying to sway the news. Make no mistake this is a world war and propaganda is a weapon.
It's so funny how politicians all over the world have jumped on the cultural Marxist bandwagon by trumpeting racism and hate speech when they want to silence opposition.
Same old tired Muslim shit. Pacify the infidels with lies, blame them and then play the minority victims. Works every time.
Citizenwarrior.com
ROFLMAO, one side says there was nobody killed, fake blood, the other side says well trained in small unit tactics, skilled, etc, folks are gonna believe whatever story they want to believe, probably the same reason people claim the holocost didn't happen, 9/11 was a set up, Osama was a patsy, Kim Jong Un is a CIA puppet and the pope hides the moon up his sleeve and Houston is overrun by Vampires.
Sometimes it is what it is, until you're the cold one on the ground, you never can be quite sure.
'... 9/11 was a set up,..'
http://www.corbettreport.com/911-a-conspiracy-theory/
Goebbels alert! LMAO...you sick weak-minded parrot.
I see you have...
"Recenty been SHIT from the belly of the beast".
LMAO...you sick weak-minded ASSHOLE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6O4LE0eTYc
As always, you play the Nazi card even when it just proves that you are obtuse.
Too scared to even watch it, eh, but free to criticize?
Ziopathic hypocrite idiot.
When you find dirty fingerprints you blame someone with dirty hands and who is to say otherwise?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHjhybG-jcY
Why don't the Muslim radicals attack Jews first and foremost, there's where they have a bone to pick, Old Adams that they are, both Islam and Jews alike.
Just start killing each other and leave the rest of the world alone.
Fight it among yourselves, no body else wants a dog in the fight.
All the Muslims have to do is return home to begin the fight that Abraham fathered and foisted upon the Jews how many thousands of years ago now? That no good bitch Hagar and that no good bitch Sarah are to blame for all of this.
That's the ticket, blame the women. Samson and Delilah, Bonnie and Clyde, Mother Earth, that bitch is to blame most of all.
Abandon the Hagia Sophia, return it to its original condition as an Eastern Orthodox Cathedral and allow Christians to return to Constantinople and all those of the Muslim faith can find new homes somewhere in Iran or one of their Muslim neighbors' territory. With any luck, they'll both kill each other off and the world will be rid of them all.
Beer time!
muslims will never attack israel. they only attack kosher delis in france.
you'd think ISIS would attack one of the biggest oppressors of Muslims in the world.....and yet strangely enough, Israel is left completely alone.
Hmmmmmmm......
Does Erdogan have one piece of proof? Just one! Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
I quite agree with all the Turkish assessments mentioned here...Hebdo serves a dual purpose, demonization of radical Islam so that all of Islamic nations can be attacked if deemed necessary by the west, and as a warning that cold blooded assassination can take place for those that break covenent with the Empire's prime directives. France/Hollande just voted for Palestinian nationhood and Hollande stated the sanctions against Russia must end and a peace plan put in place for the Ukraine. As an old friend of mine used to say "say no more".
"Recep Tayyip Erdogan said at a press conference on Monday evening. “As Muslims we have never sided with terror or massacres"
Whoooooooh.
Think: Armenia. Think: Ottoman Empire.
Hehe,
Not one bit of this French escapade adds up, not one bit. 1700 men againsts three? And all the vast military equipment they had at their hands, including a fucking main battle tank.
The Turkish president is on to something. A fucking Main Battle Tank folks. A fucking Tank?
Fuck off and talk sense.
1700 men against three?
Wake, The, Fuck, Up...
;-)
It is not my intention to criticize, but what is your point, exactly?
I have heard tank mentioned in a couple of different locations and I do not understand how this is proof of a conspiracy. I also do not understand the 1700 troops point. Where there 1700 troops? Do we have a relaible source that states the French placed a full brigade at the site?
Please clarify with data or sources.
And you are very polite for ZH Duty Chief.
Its called 'Due Diligence', Google it. I did.
This facade, is not what you were meant to believe, and I cant prove that to you my friend, the sources are wide and varied, and being took down by the day. Its not up to 96 for you to believe. Its up to you to do it yourself.
Now take care mate.
;-)
Gooogle it he/she declares....it this the heart of your intellectual prowess? You sound like a member of the Mud People, no?
OOh as if i give fuck idiot cunt...
falconflight, take your head for a shit son, you be owt your depth debating the Mix you piece of shit.
Fucking clown.
;-)
You wouldnt be employing racially discriminatory language there now would you, FF?
Underline, Period. CP.
FF, Can we say Provocateur?
Gee you CAIR rectum snooters don't even pretend to have a crumb of (dis) information....just tell the lies over and over again.
Hello falconflight.
You believe, or are told what to believe son.
Now go and fuck yourself fella, I couldnt give a fuck either way you fucking idiot cunt.
You have nothing to say you wank stain, Idiot cunt
:-)
@Inthemix96
The "fucking main battle tank" was simply there to serve in case they'd use the RPG-7 rocket launcher they had ...
"Europe" = Muliticulturalism. Multiculturalism = People running around chopping each others heads off
Therefore, "Europe" = People running around chopping each others heads off
Its hard to feel good about the long term investment thesis when everyone ends up dead and dismembered.
logic fail.
for someone who's been a ZH member > 5 years, you should be ashamed.
He's just mad 'cause he ain't got an ObamaPhone or ObamaCare!
All he needs is a TWO year free re-education at ObamaU.
I'm sure glad world citizens are paying taxes for these ruthless, duplicitous national rulers to protect us. Now let's start worldwide Gandhi non-participation and begin the end of banks and their puppets.
Even if there was some truth to it then Erdogan completely screwed it up by saying: “As Muslims we have never sided with terror or massacres: racism, hate speech, Islamophobia are behind these massacres.”
Right dude, go and ask in the Balkans, Armenia, India, Africa and other places what they think about that. Or go have a look here: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
'As Muslims we never sided with Climate Change' either!
Charlie Hebdo False Flag breakdown from Veterans Today:
Fiasco France: Lie to Me Once | Gordon Duff
Did Netanyahu Give France Their 9/11?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/12/fiasco-france-lie-to-me-once/
Do you work or just a Electronic InFantile living off public charity?
Religion is getting to be pretty old.
Scientology is the only salvation!
This is their cultures equivalent of "Dindu Nuffins", or did I lose something in translation?
Is there any difference between David Duke and ZeroHedge these days?
The anti-semitic reaction is so bad I cannot read these types of articles and comments. There is plenty blame to go around without making stuff up.
Fas from increasing clicks, in the long run this is going to chase away the decent folks around here. ZeroHEdge = InfoWars.
Tyler? Are you OK with all this?
Flame away. Genesis 12:3
sschu
it is just so tiring to hear over and over. don't you get it. your skin is so thin it is impossible not to torment your weak soul. it is just genetically meant to be. you were born that way. it is okay. you'll be fine as long as you control your asshole threshold which seems to be a prominent trait of your tribe.
My last name is Schumacher, from Chicago, central Illinois farmers since the 1850s.
You make my point precisely.
sschu
no. i am playing a different game. you prove my point. antisemitism is bad but other racism/bigotry is okay. the conclusion of a malformed cognitive process.
you are only concerned with antisemitism? when most of what is called antisemitism is clearly anti- state of israel. by ommission, since it is also clearly evident here is the bald antimuslim hate, as bad as any anti black sentiment vomited onto this site that is condoned by the editors, yet, by their own admission, a moratorium was placed on israel articles because it was "found" to decrease clicks if a web site became too "antisemitic".
i happen to know for a fact that a site that promotes anti israel sentiment actually increases clicks and is probably the reason zh has brought back such articles. so fuck you and all of your other anti free speech wackos marginally able to understand gatorhide is the only defense from real free speech if you want free speech. you are, otherwise, just another asshole i've had to deal with all my life all over the world.
one thing to remember in this so-called 'Anti-Semitism' game is that the rulers of Zion are Ashkanazi's.... they are converts, they are not what is popularly known as 'Semites'. They use it as a trump card in the propaganda war and want to continue doing so, just because most people have no idea eactly who and what they are. All the 'isms are used this way, nothing new... except the 'dumbing down' process of the general Western populace is rather severe at this point in the cycle.... which is about to close. No one finds the increase in Antaractic ice levels interesting despite the massive increase in underwater volcanoes, as well as those top side? All the other charts are parabolic now as well, it isn't just the stock market here in the USofA. There's a much, much bigger game going on as these false flaggers prepare their final solution to their so-called 'Semitic' problem... which is why the non-Semitics in Zion want the to 'come home'... so they can be dealt with.
So many Jewish experts at ZH. And your profession is what?
It is fairly obvious we are all fighting for our lives here. Why don't you relax and try to understand that.
Underline, Period.
"...anti- state of israel..."
I wish there was a term for that.
I'm against the NsaCiaDhsTsa Etc. And the majority of the Gov. (since Ron ain't there anymore), But I'm NOT antiAmerican.
Can I be for my country but disagree with it's government?
Can I be 'Anti-State of israel (ie it's policies) and not be Anti-Jewish?
FuckOff with 90% of the calls of antisemitism if I say something about Netayahoo or the genocide in Gaza?
You are with us or working for the terrrrrrists.
Hugs...
W
So if you don't ascribe to the Goebbels-Muslim paradigm, you must be a Jew. Beautifully grotesque.
Your "criticism of Israel is hate, but it's cool to hate all Muslims" schtick really is getting a little stale, FF.
You noticed that as well? I made that comment yesterday. ZH...when you can't spoon in person with all your favorite Wahabi madrassa scum.
Look Ghoul, 6 million jews didn't get on the Train To Their Death without LIES.
The jews were lied to and they walked into a death camp.
The publicity stunts to get the above mission accomplished took coordination and publicity stunts.
And the same fucking thing is happening right now to the middle class in all first world nations but first, they have to put SOLDIERS ON THE STREETS.
Fuck off ghoul
'SOLDIERS ON THE STREETS.'
10,000 troops in Paris right now. Paris is effectively occupied.
Yes, but this is a first: Paris is actually occupied by their own troops!
Anyone over 80 has to be doing a double-take when they walk outside.
"Je ne ai jamais si je verrais ça!"
If you know your history, you realize that those lies and stunts were accomplished with the 'assistance' of the 'nazi Jews.... as in the non-Semites... Ashkenazi... leaders of Zion... see a pattern???
Otherwise, you are right, these false flag ops, of which Mossad is the expert, is all about mind control of the populace through 'stunts', 'marches', et al... the german nazi's did the same, as do all the pathological types.
You could say they can't help it, they were born that way.
The question is who among is was born to resist?
When looking at these atrocities under a certain light, they appear to occur during economic downturns and stealing wealth takes placed just before the mass murders. It's a business plan by men who live in castles but belong in dungeons. Yes, they are all working together, all govt heads and bankers, military industrial complex and media to manipulate the masses. But, rotation of wealth is taking place through ghastly means and has happened to Armenians, Jewish people and others. And if someone does not do something, it is about to happen to the middle class - our govt have plans for us - we are unsustainable and are retiring in the hundreds of millions in 1st world nations. Uglier than sin and a very good reason they must lie through their teeth. Thank God for the internet.
I'm the vampire, you are the ghoul and ghouls subsists from the waste of vampires. Get your metapors straight Mud Man
There were many witnesses to the Armenian Genocide. Although the Young Turk government took precautions and imposed restrictions on reporting and photographing, there were lots of foreigners in the Ottoman Empire who witnessed the deportations. Foremost among them were U.S. diplomatic representatives and American missionaries. They were first to send news to the outside world about the unfolding genocide. Some of their reports made headline news in the American and Western media. Also reporting on the atrocities committed against the Armenians were many German eyewitnesses. The Germans were allies of the Turks in W.W.I. Numerous German officers held important military assignments in the Ottoman Empire. Some among them condoned the Young Turk policy. Others confidentially reported to their superiors in Germany about the slaughter of the Armenian civilian population. Many Russians saw for themselves the devastation wreaked upon the Armenian communities when the Russian Army occupied parts of Anatolia. Many Arabs in Syria where most of the deportees were sent saw for themselves the appalling condition to which the Armenian survivors had been reduced. Lastly, many Turkish officials were witnesses as participants in the Armenian Genocide. A number of them gave testimony under oath during the post-war tribunals convened to try the Young Turk conspirators who organized the Armenian Genocide.
You're sooooo naive about the world, ya bible thumping loon.
Go ahead and put your faith in the world, Chafer calls it Satan's system and for good reason. Please take a closer look, your life depends on it.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight.
sschu
If anyone misplaces their faith into their fellow man and his corrupt Governments then despair and disappointment is the harvest which will be reaped.
They'd be far better off by placing their faith into Satan. They may reap despair but at least they will not be disappointed.
Comment counts would be slashed to <1/2 the current number if ZH banned the jew haters.
By which you mean reasonable criticism of the state of Israel and its actions, right, Chief?
Most people, the vast majority, even of critics of Israel, or of Jewish privilege and power, don't support any kind of absurd group hatred. The real problem is people like you want to include the eminently reasonable and fair in your peculiar definition of "hate" - all while bashing Arabs and/or Muslims with sinister fervour.
Usefulness of comments would double if ZH banned the Jew haters. And double again if it banned comments ranting about false flags.
"Flame away. Genesis 12:3"
1. Do you know what Genesis 12:3 means?
It doesn't appear so.
The answer is found in Galatians 3:1-14:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+3&version=NIV
Pay special attention to verses 7 & 8: "Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith."
Yes, anyone, from any race or nation, that puts faith in God. Nothing special about any race or nation.
2. Do you know what an anti-semite is?
It doesn't appear so.
The answer is that Semites are the sons of Shem. That includes Arabs, Palestinians and others, as well as approximately 5% of "jews", those who are descended from Jacob (Sephardim). The other 95% of "jews" worldwide are Askenazi (Khazarian, non-semitic), and gentile proselytes (also non-semitic).
Now what were you saying about "anti-semitism"?
Exactly true, the Ashenazi's aren't Semitic, yet they are attempting to control and dominate all the Semites they can, through their 'father' Rotheschilds, who happened to find a new office for that French rag when it had financial problems in the past. This type of 'conspiracy' goes back ages, and for a reason that most of them don't even know or understand, but then, as psycho pawns, they really don't need to, and it's usually better if they do not.
It is said that the real 'Semites' goes back much further than this recent bible and its descriptions of the peoples of the area after the last comet cluster's pass near 1650 or so BC...it goes back much, much further than that, but then that's a whole other story, as most names and peoples get all mixed up and have to reassemble after these cometary 'Dark Ages'... set to arrive soon to a sky near you. Remember in Mecca, they still walk around that old 'god'... the meterorite remains.... same as they used to up north and other locales.
Blah blah blah; mooo, meow, baaaaaaa
That's the most sense you've made so far...
His regression to the pre-verbal stage is actually quite impressive.
That demands further study. I am wondering if it is indicative of an underlying psychological dosorder. Fascinating.
I wonder what mechanism triggered that response? Interesting.
Why does every ZH article comment section lead to the twillight zone?
Genesis 12 is talking about a "great nation". Paul was not referring to a nation, he was referring individuals who belong to a body of believers we call the church. The nation that Moses is referring to in Genesis is thought to be Israel. God did single them out and treat them as a group or people or nation. God will bless this nation of Israel, and He also judged them. He will ultimately fullfill His promises to them and will bless them. The church is not a nation.
Anti-semitism is generally referred to anti-Jew, but I do understand what is said in Genesis 9. I stand corrected, but not sure of your point?
Appreciate your notes and the exchange and would welcome more, but I am heading to Arizona.
sschu
Notably, what you quote is essentially a claim of Jewish Supremacism from the Torah [which is replete with the core of Judaism - which is ethnocentrism and outright Supremacism].
Bet you don't see it that way, which is why you can't be taken seriously.
When people like you claim that criticizing Israel, the state, is anti-Semitic, the question is only are you a paid troll, or are you an idiot who thinks, actually believes, that Israel's actions are abve reproach, and that it, unlike any other state, can not be criticized.
You call "hate" those truths you would hide.
And that's all you do.
Well, let's be fair, ALL religions do this in one form or another. Of course they think they're right, and that their religion is the 'one true religion'...they'd HAVE to, if you think about it. Anyone who believes has to think their religion is superior, or they wouldn't be following it in the first place.
But you're right about the criticizing Israel thing. There are people who think any criticism of Israel is "anti Semitism", this is bullshit. While I DO feel Israel has the right to exist where it is, I do not agree with their policies toward their neighbors. And they wouldn't get away with that shit if the US wasn't cheerleading every move they make. Just because they were victimized in the past, it shouldn't mean they ought to get away with outrageous acts today.
And the Jews do NOT have some 'special relationship' with martyrdom...their sufferings are no more horrid than the sufferings of ANY people being persecuted...including the current Palestinians. I'll say it, and that doesn't make me an anti-Semite.
The arrogance of the rabid Zionists might end up being their undoing, and that would be a shame for all the Jews who DON'T share those views, and just want to live their lives peacefully with their neighbors, including the Palestinians. Those Jews deserve their little homeland, and the zealots are gonna fuck it up for them, just like the Arab zealots are gonna fuck it up for their Palestinian counterparts.
Bemused - I appreciate your sober and balanced analysis. Sitting as you do (I would guess) in a country far away from us here in Isr/Pal, it can be difficult to see all of the angles and you have done well to see more than one. That being said, I invite you to come visit to see the situation on the ground. I think you'll find that your view on religions - that each one is required to think they're the best/one true is - is not particularly deep. I find here that Christians can believe their story or Muslims can believe their story, but if someone doesn't share it, they more or less let them be. It's like this ,for the most part, in the West too. You will find that Jews in Israel literally have no idea what other people believe or how they even live their lives. They consider them not only to be inferior, but not to be human for the most part. Obviously, each society has "fanatics" or zealots, but the disturbing thing about Jewish Israeli culture, i.e. Zionist culture, is that even among so-called "educated" and urbanized people, who have access and exposure to cosmopolity - you still find this same - arrogance as you call it, which you might only imagine among "zealots". This arrogance, which includes lack of shame, inability to engage in self-reflection by covering up with accusations of others, is the lifeblood of the cultural narrative. The world is divided into Israel, which we call "the land" in Hebrew and the rest of the world, which in Hebrew is literally referred to by an acroynm meaning "outside of the land". When you come to "the land" you are "ascending" in Hebrew. When you leave, you are "descending". Everyone here thinks and believes that non-Jews are savages that just want to kill Jews. Many people can't even function with non-Jews living in their proximity. You are handed a gun and join the Jewish army after years of brainwashing by society, family, and nearly every reward mechanism a child can have.
It's tempting to want NOT to blame everyone here and to talk about those who "just want to live their lives peacefully with their neighbors". Indeed, many poor people with no visas cannot leave here or escape. They have to carry a gun for the state and if they intend to mentally, economically, and physically survive, let alone advance, they will also carry on the hate-filled narrative imbued with ethnic supremacy. However, in my many years of life and experiences of various cultures, I have come to realize that there are some cultures better than others - not in their material success or power, but in their humanity. Just come visit us and you'll find that the people who really hate Israelis are other Israelis. It is a shit culture which breeds lying and manipulation - once you get off on a foot like that, everyone has to engage in it or you become "the sucker". About the only survival mechanism Israel and its networks within all of your countries have is that Zionists aren't gonna be suckers like silly goys. You can keep "doing unto others as you would have done unto you", but be aware that anyone connected with this place operates on a different mindset: "do unto others until you are physically stopped". I honestly believe this is why you lose if you engage with shills like FalconFlight.
why did u have to quote some scripture?
i don't believe whatever that book says...
From the video below below :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2908358/Turkish-president-accuse...
He isn't saying the above, just saying the guys were Frenh nationals (true) and released not long ago from prison (true as well at least for Coulibaly)
Any literal quote or complete video ?
Gotta say, the fact that a "Islamic terrorist" attack happens in 2012 and this year, both years that Marie Le Pen are running for the presidency, is a little convienient for her.
The banker win either way, but especially if a far-right wing person is in France who will cut services left and right.