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Turkish President's Stunning Outburst: The French Are Behind The Charlie Hebdo Massacre; Mossad Blamed
It was less than 48 hours ago when Turkey’s prime minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, joined millions marching in Paris to pay tribute to the 17 people killed by ISIS-supporting extremists. Then, almost the moment he got back, things changed, and as the FT politely paraphrases what transpired, the "country’s president struck a much more confrontational tone." That's one way of putting it. Another is that the former PM and current president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, of NATO-member Turkey did the unthinkable: accused the west, and French citizens in particular, of staging the Charlie Hebdo murder in order to blame Muslims, even as the mayor of Ankara said "Mossad is definitely behind such incidents . . . it is boosting enmity towards Islam."
"The duplicity of the west is obvious,” Recep Tayyip Erdogan said at a press conference on Monday evening. “As Muslims we have never sided with terror or massacres: racism, hate speech, Islamophobia are behind these massacres.”
His punchline: "The culprits are clear: French citizens undertook this massacre and Muslims were blamed for it,” he added.
The FT is confused: "Although political leaders in Turkey have repeatedly condemned the attacks on the Charlie Hebdo magazine, a Jewish supermarket and a policewoman, a parallel narrative has emerged in the country, with conspiracy theorists blaming the murders on foreign intelligence agencies rather than radical Islamists."
It's not just the French who were said to be behind the attack: so is Mossad:
Melih Gokcek, mayor of Ankara for the ruling AK party, said on Monday that “Mossad [the Israeli intelligence service] is definitely behind such incidents . . . it is boosting enmity towards Islam.” Mr Gokcek linked the attacks to French moves towards recognising Palestine.
Ali Sahin, a member of Turkey’s parliament and foreign affairs spokesman for the AK party, last week set out eight reasons why he suspected the killings were staged so that “the attack will be blamed on Muslims and Islam”.
But back to Erdogan:
In his own remarks on Monday, Mr Erdogan added: “Games are being played throughout the Islamic world”. He expressed bewilderment that French intelligence services had not followed the culprits more effectively.
The FT is further confused that Turkey is not the only place which has dared to offer conspiratorial theories: Russia is too.
In Russia, some pro-Kremlin commentators sought to link the killings to geopolitical machinations by the US.
Komsomolskaya Pravda, one of Russia’s leading tabloids, ran the headline: “Did the Americans stage the terror attack in Paris?” and posted a series of interviews on its website that presented various reasons why Washington might have organised the attack.
In one interview, Alexander Zhilin, head of the pro-Kremlin Moscow Centre for the Study of Applied Problems, claimed the terror attack was US retribution against President François Hollande for a January 6 radio interview in which Mr Hollande urged the EU to lift sanctions against Russia. Washington used the attacks as “a quick fix for consolidating” US and EU geopolitical interests in Ukraine, Mr Zhilin claimed.
The FT is most stunned that in Russia the events in Charlie Hebdo are being equated to the 9/11 tragedy:
“For the last 10 years, so-called Islamist terrorism has been under the control of one of the world’s leading intelligence agencies,” Alexei Martynov, director of the International Institute for New States, a think-tank, told pro-Kremlin internet outlet LifeNews. “I am sure that some American supervisors are responsible for the terror attacks in Paris, or in any case the Islamists who carried them out.”
Whatever could have given the Russian this idea...
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Everyone talks about all these shit "services" that we lose, no one is serving me shit...
If you like your shit...
You can trust Erdogan, he is a true leader and will speak the TRUTH !
Fight for RELIGION and save the Economy
you need to die for religion, it makes life easy for the important people
Have FAITH and Die well !
I always thought Emperor Goebbels was the biggest dumbass on the planet, but I must admit this tube steak is really vying for that Number 1 position.
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When will Turkey wake up. There is no way in HELL they will give 1,000,000's of Turkish Muslims Visa to freely travel around Europe!!!
What are they Fucking CRazy. lol Just saying the words sound so ridiculous
I think that dream of Turkey entering the EU died ten years ago...finally. Why would they join up at all anymore? So their economy can be dictated by the Germans? C'mon....they may be "muslim savages" but they ain't stupid.....
“Charlie” was a slur during the Vietnam War Police Action.
Turkey is choosing sides. There's MOAR War coming to their borders via the US M.I.C. I see them parntering up with Russia/ China/ BRICS over the long term. It's in their best interest. They're not interested in an autonomous Kurdistan, nor being the next ME country to be destabilzed.
Confirmation bias tripe for the dunning kruger drool cup users.
Do Turks really mix the blood of Armenian children to make pita?
You're confusing turks with khazars again.
Khazars? Are you sure?
The decision to carry out a genocide against the Armenian people was made by the political party in power in the Ottoman Empire. This was the Committee of Union and Progress (CUP) (or Ittihad ve Terakki Jemiyeti), popularly known as the Young Turks. Three figures from the CUP controlled the government; Mehmet Talaat, Minister of the Interior in 1915 and Grand Vizier (Prime Minister) in 1917; Ismail Enver, Minister of War; Ahmed Jemal, Minister of the Marine and Military Governor of Syria.
This Young Turk triumvirate relied on other members of the CUP appointed to high government posts and assigned to military commands to carry out the Armenian Genocide. In addition to the Ministry of War and the Ministry of the Interior, the Young Turks also relied on a newly-created secret outfit which they manned with convicts and irregular troops, called the Special Organization (Teshkilati Mahsusa). Its primary function was the carrying out of the mass slaughter of the deported Armenians. In charge of the Special Organization was Behaeddin Shakir, a medical doctor. Moreover, ideologists such as Zia Gokalp propagandized through the media on behalf of the CUP by promoting Pan-Turanism, the creation of a new empire stretching from Anatolia into Central Asia whose population would be exclusively Turkic.
These concepts justified and popularized the secret CUP plans to liquidate the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire. The Young Turk conspirators, other leading figures of the wartime Ottoman government, members of the CUP Central Committee, and many provincial administrators responsible for atrocities against the Armenians were indicted for their crimes at the end of the war. The main culprits evaded justice by fleeing the country. Even so, they were tried in absentia and found guilty of capital crimes. The massacres, expulsions, and further mistreatment of the Armenians between 1920 and 1923 were carried by the Turkish Nationalists, who represented a new political movement opposed to the Young Turks, but who shared a common ideology of ethnic exclusivity.
No, I was speaking in general terms of one groups insatiable appetite for the blood of children.
Yes, the Goebbels-Mohammed tribe
LOL. You need a history lesson on your people. Start with the bolshevik terror in russia and work your way forward.
Oh please....Read Gulag Archipelago...Jews were also murdered by the millions....2 million approximately. Bolshevik terror? Merely supplanted the Arbeit mach Frei terror, after supplanting the Tsarist reign of hundreds of years of terror. Troski was assassinated wasn't he?
You're now claiming 2 million Russian Jews were killed by the Bolsheviks?
You are now travelling at light speed beyond absurd.
All part of the mythical six million narrative.
Not only are you a 9/11MORON but a Fucking Liar as well.
Where in the 'Gulag Archipelago' is this stated?
“Live not by lies!”
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Bad example - quite a few of the Young Turks were Donmeh Jews.
As with the Bolsheviks, it's really just a question of how many. In both cases people like you cry anti-Semite, to avoid having to consider the considerable evidence at all.
Meanwhile, you might want to read Pappe's "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" or "Goliath" or "Beyond Chutzpah" to learn about deliberate Ziopath schemes to ethnically cleanse land they had never set foot on.
I'm an anti-semite.
I hate the whole lot of them.
I just wish they'd kill each other and leave us the oil.
They can take the raghead Ayatollahs with em too.
The whole place is a sandy shithole. Turn it into glass.
I think falconflight is a poorly designed bot, or a sophomore in highschool that has discovered the Wikipedia. Ignore it and it shall go away....
Nonono, Putin does that with Urainian blood to make pelmeni.
Getcher conspiracies straight.
/s
How many GeoWash a/k/a s are present and accounted for? Rise your 'working hand.'
Mossad a busy band of buggerers. Running global terrorism, narcotics, organ harvesting, child sex trade. When do they have time for temple?
you watch too much movies- get a life
Off Broadway at the Electronic InFantilia
Organ harvesting def centered in Israel. So is illegal diamonds.
Don't believe its the world capital of sex trafficking or drugs quite yet, although I am - quite sure - planes full of Afghan poppy find their way to and from....
Child sex trafficking and organ harvesting fit like hand and glove. Epstein, Douchewitz and Maxwell the current management.
This situation has sucked up too much of our life. Enemy has taken over communication and the wrong message is being transmitted. By Way of Deception, We Shall Do War and this is the war. Years of analysis required to come to this conclusion but again, thanks to the internet and very well-done exhibits by experts that surely are trying to help us see the truth made it possible to realize the enemy is Israel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K160yUlxaFM Ex CIA Agent speaks out
I guess yiddish is your first language. It should be "you watch too many movies"
Yiddish would make this distinction between countable and uncountable (much vs. many). Hebrew, however, does not.
They own the temples and rent them back to the Rabbis.
This guy will be toast if he starts trading crude oil for gold.
Erdogan was only ever going to play that card to his home crowd. .... no surprise there. who expected a mea culpa ?
He had no other viable options.
More muslims died from muslim-on-muslim violence last year than any other race group, Is he serious in suggesting every case was mossad ? Sometimes the delusion a president has is staggering. But dont let logic get in the way of a good lie.
Not saying that false flag isnt a possibility, because it has plainly been used many times by most nations at some point... but to claim it had nothing to do with muslims when that was the reason charlie hebdo was targeted in the first place.is a bit weak by Erdogan , [and the kosher deli too ].
Politician doublespeak, playing to the crowd, and spouting bullshit....
Perhaps Ergodan can explain his cultural heritage:
The atrocities committed against the Armenian people of the Ottoman Empire during W.W.I are called the Armenian Genocide. Genocide is the organized killing of a people for the express purpose of putting an end to their collective existence. Because of its scope, genocide requires central planning and a machinery to implement it. This makes genocide the quintessential state crime as only a government has the resources to carry out such a scheme of destruction. The Armenian Genocide was centrally planned and administered by the Turkish government against the entire Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire. It was carried out during W.W.I between the years 1915 and 1918. The Armenian people were subjected to deportation, expropriation, abduction, torture, massacre, and starvation. The great bulk of the Armenian population was forcibly removed from Armenia and Anatolia to Syria, where the vast majority was sent into the desert to die of thirst and hunger. Large numbers of Armenians were methodically massacred throughout the Ottoman Empire. Women and children were abducted and horribly abused. The entire wealth of the Armenian people was expropriated. After only a little more than a year of calm at the end of W.W.I, the atrocities were renewed between 1920 and 1923, and the remaining Armenians were subjected to further massacres and expulsions. In 1915, thirty-three years before UN Genocide Convention was adopted, the Armenian Genocide was condemned by the international community as a crime against humanity.
Aren’t ‘Gypsies’ known as the ‘Turkish Jew’, a banished tribe? - no offense.
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=95
maybe you can.
oops
I guess this will teach the Israeli's to pay one of their dirty-deed-doers in fake gold.
Maybe Erdogan is generalizing from the 9-11 false flag operation?
If you don't understand that indeed 9-11 was a false flag operation, it is entirely because you don't want to understand that. The facts, the science, the engineering, the pilots, the military all say 'not the government story'.
Only dummies and gov shills defend the gov story.
Maybe Erdogan is generalizing from the 9-11 false flag operation?
If you don't understand that indeed 9-11 was a false flag operation, it is entirely because you don't want to understand that. The facts, the science, the engineering, the pilots, the military all say 'not the government story'.
Only dummies and gov shills defend the gov story.
The international community condemned the Armenian Genocide. In May 1915, Great Britain, France, and Russia advised the Young Turk leaders that they would be held personally responsible for this crime against humanity. There was a strong public outcry in the United States against the mistreatment of the Armenians. At the end of the war, the Allied victors demanded that the Ottoman government prosecute the Young Turks accused of wartime crimes. Relief efforts were also mounted to save "the starving Armenians." The American, British, and German governments sponsored the preparation of reports on the atrocities and numerous accounts were published. On the other hand, despite the moral outrage of the international community, no strong actions were taken against the Ottoman Empire either to sanction its brutal policies or to salvage the Armenian people from the grip of extermination. Moreover, no steps were taken to require the postwar Turkish governments to make restitution to the Armenian people for their immense material and human losses.
My stunning outburst.....
WHERE THE F IS PHONY FONE AND HIS SHIT COINS NOW?!?!?!?
As is true of all the Mud People, they never err on the side of humanity...1,400 years of bloodthirsty imperialism.
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/genocidefaq.html
The United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide describes genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." Clearly this definition applies in the case of the atrocities committed against the Armenians. Because the U.N. Convention was adopted in 1948, thirty years after the Armenian Genocide, Armenians worldwide have sought from their respective governments formal acknowledgment of the crimes committed during W.W.I. Countries like France, Argentina, Greece, and Russia, where the survivors of the Armenian Genocide and their descendants live, have officially recognized the Armenian Genocide. However, as a matter of policy, the present-day Republic of Turkey adamantly denies that a genocide was committed against the Armenians during W.W.I. Moreover, Turkey dismisses the evidence about the atrocities as mere allegations and regularly obstructs efforts for acknowledgment. Affirming the truth about the Armenian Genocide, therefore, has become an issue of international significance. The recurrence of genocide in the twentieth century has made the reaffirmation of the historic acknowledgment of the criminal mistreatment of the Armenians by Turkey all the more a compelling obligation for the international community.
While it is true that it continues to be an injustice that the government/State of Turkey continues to deny the Armenian Genocide, you completely undermine your credibility when you call an entire nation of Turks "Mud People". This makes you no better than the assholes that perpetrate genocide.
Why don't you get fucking lost, you infantile racist little troll turd.
Mohammed's chosen performing another campaign of proselytizing
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/photo_wegner_view.html?photo=gutter.jpg...
Falconflight,
I have to be somewhere else in ten minutes.
You stupid fucking cunt. I have seeen more sense from a child of two you idiot cunt. You want to grow up up and act like a man if you are one you fucking idiot cunt.
Clown. Utter fucking clown.
;-)
Your burqa smells of seman.
Your bologna has a second name, it's m-e-y-e-r.
Does it?
What a fucking waste of space you are boy. Falconflight you are what you are you stupid fucking cunt.
The fucking idiot cunt you prove every time you post.
I have shit more inteligent things than you son you idiot cunt.
Fucking clown.
;-)
Is that you Rachel?
Go fuck your mother and wipe the man jelly off your upper lip punk. I'd eff you, but you'd love it and I dislike clingy bitches.
The masquerade ball is ending buddy. Beg for forgiveness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7ZZ4mnuwf0 Cry Little Sister - G Tom Mac (great song)
Thou Shall Not Lie
(Damn vampire)
did you mean to say "seamen"?
bitch
There is not much of a difference between the head of a large Muslim country and Charlie Hedbo terrorists.
Come on - some of you.
Look at Netanyahu at that fucking rally, smug prick, buthere and there the worry and fear break through [the man doesn't know guilt - as most right Zionists are literal sociopaths].
Israel did it. For reasons cited.
And because since getting away assisting/running the 9/11 actuall false flag, they feel invincible, and untouchable.
Can you imagine, after King David Hotel bombing [initially blamed on Arabs] and Lavon Affair [initially blamed on Arabs] and USS Liberty Attack [initially blamed on Arabs] and suspicions over the Marine Barracks, Libya False Beacon, Munich, etc. etc. - how many reprehensible crimes the government of Israel has gotten away with? I mean in addition to their unequivocal pattern of war crimes in Gaza.
Note - the government of a country is not the same thing as the people who live in that country.
Here in Israel, there was video circulated of Bibi pushing himself to the front of the march. He pushed whatever African leader that was in front out of the way to get in. Watching that behavior pretty much sums up the problem with these people - SHAME-LESS and not actively a part of greater humanity's shared value set.
Edrogan has gone up 100% in my estimation . Can't help feeling, when he reflects on what he has said , he will top himselfe . With some help.
"As Muslims we have never sided with terror or massacres: racism, hate speech, Islamophobia are behind these massacres.”
About 260 million human souls would say differently, if their muslim-shed blood could speak from the ground.
Christians have killed more.
Muslims are speaking out but no one is listening - The AgeAnd Jews have killed as many as they could, when they could.
And do so now, and will continue to do so until their end.
When Israel Is Mighty"Christians have killed more."
That is both incorrect and absurd.
No it isnt you fucking dimwit.
um, they aren't real Christians. i can call myself a 12 headed sea serpent but does that make it so? try reading The Bible sometime and you'll see what a true follower of Christ (which should be the only one calling themselves a Christian) believe from Christ's mouth himself.
They had Chaplains in the services in all the wars blessing the troops before battle.
Didn't they?
Cite your sources, O master of erudition.
He must not be in the cabal. Sane people look really strange in a world full of lies.
Erdogan was installed thru ordinary shenanigans. They cut the electricity to the unfavorable districts. Darn cats!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recep_Tayyip_Erdo%C4%9Fan#Electoral_fraud
Also, his vote system was made in the good ol' USA.
Unfortunately, the behavior of Western governments in the post-WWII years makes such explanations plausible if not probable.
Falconflight is making overtime tonight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me7v2gJI6zk
You're not losing because you're dumb, pal.
You're losing because you are defending evil.
...because for you, Jewish life has "infinitely more value" than that of the rest of the earth's bipedal beasts. You and your ilk act accordingly, then wonder, dumbfounded, that you are deemed vicious and barbaric and dissembling.
http://stormcloudsgathering.com/charlie-hebdo-shootings-censored-video
Try looking not at the concrete - but at the cop's two arms.
Arms would collapse with a head shot within microseconds. Sudden drop in blood pressure, perfusion, and oh yeah, damage to the motor cortex and midbrain [caudate, internal capsule] makes it tough to keep your arms under motor control...
I saw that one. Being an avid shooter myself, esp. of that particular 30 cal. round (i.e. 7.62x39), I beleive the StormCloudsGathering video is correct in saying his head would have exploded. I would even take it further: any shot near his head could logically fragment (more or less depending on the bullet type) sending, no SPRAYING, fragmented pieces of bullet shreading the guys face off. The sidewalk would likely have also shown immediate damage -- at least a divot or large chip. IMO, this was a blank that was fired OVER his head at the sidewalk -- you can see the muzzle blast and gases go ast him. Not very likely the guy on the ground was shot in the head although he may be deaf in one ear for a while.
The smoking gun. he he
Interesting, thank you.
When dealing with false flags, it is real easy to regard Judeo-Bolsheviks as first suspects.
They’ve been perpetrating mass genocides and general plunders continuously for at least 5,000 years. And, during that time, they would certainly have had time and resources to develop the instrument of false flag to a very refined art form.
Here is an examination (derived from pages of The Los Angeles Times) of one of their more recent (Russian slaughter) operations; complete with mass genocide, general plunder, and mass exodus. You’ll also need a copy of the Old Testament by your side; otherwise you may not believe what you read.
Clesthenes
Wow. WTF. Interesting.
Thanks
Mossad?
Well, I suppose that Erdogan might be in a position to know...
After all, he was the guy caught on tape coordinating for a muslim militia to massacre muslim civilians in Syria, after all.
Of course... Do I believe him now? Or do I believe him then?
Erdogan must spend half his day running his sockpuppets here on ZH. Hi, Recep babe, how ya doin?
Even Armenians and Greeks?
You Sucker.
WTF are you talking about?
Just as an observation, the term "anti semitic" would apply to dislike of Lebanese, Syrians, Palestinians et al, because they are "sons of Shem", but not to modern day Jews who are basically all Ashkenazan, i.e Kazars. Wot they ain't is Hebrews. or S(h)emites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC3tINgWfQE#t=788
this is quiet a good documentary on USD / oil and what the US has had to do to keep the USD as the petro currency.
Its pretty clear, its the US that has interest for whats happening. The US and Israels interest are not the same.
ie Ukraine Govt are anti semitic neo nazi;s they hate Israel.
Whats happening is the US is using covert operations whitch they they need to do (or think they need to do who knows). cause them to do some ugly things. And they like to leave a trail leading back to Israel to cover their tracks.
Israel is 5 mill people (ie jews) they cant do even 5% of whats happening...and its all bad for them... US is 5000 miles a way if you live in a nice house you dont want to inflame the neighbours ... I dont see US invading bombing anyone in south america.. they have oil.. its safer from a distance..
Kept looking,,, didn't see any.. "We terrorised some folks"
I thought it was always Masons,Communists and Jews?
Amalgamated as the New Bolsheviks, Inc.
Those who claim that Muslim fundamentalists were not the perpetrators of September 11 and the Charlie Hebdo Massacre harm their own credibility. Other viewpoints they have may not be taken seriously.
How do you know for sure?
Just guessing.
September 11 = Not false flag, Muslim nut case fundamentalists
Charlie Hebdo = Not false flag, Muslim nut case fundamentalists
Gulf of Tonkin = False flag
USS Liberty = Attempted false flag + cover-up
Saddam´s weapons of mass destruction = Lie
Assad´s gas attack = Probably false flag
Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 = Can not rule out false flag attack
Yanukovich ousted = Coup d`état
You have the matter precisely backwards.
Other viewpoints that CTG_Swede has will not be taken seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6O4LE0eTYc
DavidPierre:
"Other viewpoints that CTG_Swede has will not be taken seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6O4LE0eTYc "
My comments:
I guess that I didn´t pass the 9/11 litmus test.
I am willing to change my mind if someone demonstrates to me how the steel beams inside the building could not have lost enough strength due to burning aircraft fuel. I have seen arguments like “the melting point for steel is so high that burning aircraft fuel could not have caused the collapse of the twin towers”. But anyone who has taken some basic engineering classes or tried some amateur forging in his backyard or garage knows that steel and iron gets softer even if the heat is caused by a simple portable Calor gas-stove. It seems likely that the steel bars inside the building lost some strength due to the fire. The question is how much.
I would not be surprised if some people think it was great that some nut case Muslim fundamentalists were crazy enough to crash some aircraft into these skyscrapers since this attack could be used as a pretext for legislation and military attacks which otherwise would have been harder to to justify. But that doesn´t mean that nut case fundamentalists did not plan and carry through this attack.
WTC 7 was not struck by an airliner, was not burning due to Jet Fuel, and it fell.
But I will not even bother with the fire. (Of course the steel truss work was insulated with asbestos. Certainly some of the fireproofing was eroded but, mostly, it was there.)
Now since you have had some Engineering classes then I am sure you know about the conservation of momentum, and thus, the conservation of Energy Laws.
You want me to believe that a small mass taveling at a low velocity can pulverize a larger mass?
That is like expecting a car impacting a massive Semi being able to toatally demolish the Semi into dust.
Usually the Semi experiences minor damage and the impacting car is demolished. But the Semi still exists, doesn;t it?
Unless that car was traveling at an extreme elevated speed that is just not going to happen.
Steel Structures are built like pyramids. They are much more massive toward the foundation than they are at the elevated heights.
The pancake theory fails as a result.
The time of the collapse of WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 were near that to free fall acceleration
t = (2gh)1/2
The predicted time of an object falling from the height of the towers to the ground versus that of the observed collapse of the entire building was no more than 10% Thus there was extremely little internal resistance.
Skyscrapers are not that damned fragile. They are engineered with extrema in mind. The windward pressures on the structure are mind boggling. Yet you wish me to believe that WTC 1, 2 and 7, just came down like a house of cards?
The time that it took for collapse to happen indicates that all supports must have been blown out almost simutaneously as in a controlled demolition.
That means that the interior columns had to be blown out as well.
For the pancake theory to have worked the Gusset Plates may have failed but the massive interior columns would not have buckled or collapsed.
And as for forging in the "backyard" Yeah. I happen to know something about that. I refine Gold.
I need a FORGE to have steel workable and moldable.
600oF just does not work. That is the burning temperature of Kerosene.
I work at about 1800oF.
Personally I use MAPP but I need to get Oxygen so I can get hotter temps.
Here is how to build a Soup Can Forge. You can get to temps of over 2000oF.
Now I need you to note that neither the Soup Can, nor the Brackets, melt, or substantailly weaken..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClULe1DfsRM
Excellent analysis Tall Tom. Unfortunately the trolls are out in full force today. Obviously, if the majority of fools ever figured out what really happened on 9/11, they would bring back the gallows and the firing squad. The perps know this. And since our own government was in on it, they will fight to the death before they will ever let the truth out. Because it is the crime of the Century, if not all time.
According to the latest version of Wikipedia it seems as if open air burn temperature for jet fuel is 1,890 °F, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel . But it is interesting to see that Wikipedia has adjusted this figure upwards. That´s a bit fishy.
Statoil has some product information on Jet A-1 fuel on their web site:
http://www.statoilaviation.com/en_EN/pg1332347009500/ar1334072083204/statoilAviation/fuel_jeta1.html
They state that the open air burn temperature is 500-599 °F.
It also seems as if structural steel generally only has about 40 % of its strength left at 1,000 °F but is stronger at 600 °F, see http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/metal-temperature-strength-d_1353.html .
More exact figures here in a table:
http://www.roymech.co.uk/Useful_Tables/Matter/Temperature_effects.html
100 °C = 212 °F = 103 %
200 °C = 392 °F = 132 %
300 °C = 572 °F = 122 %
400 °C = 752 °F = 86 %
500 °C = 932 °F = 49 %
So it seems as if official version of 9/11 has a problem if the burn temperature is not higher when the fire is located in a more enclosed space. The official version needs a burn temperature which is higher than 900 °F. There is a gap between 600 °F and 900 °F. On the other hand the temperature seems to be much lower for all fuels in open air compared to more enclosed spaces. Open air burn temperature for wood seems to be less than 500 °F while the temperature in wood stoves can exceed 1,000 °F.
I read a few years ago about a Danish scientist who claimed that nanothermite composites were found in the dust and debris at the WTC site and that nanothermite composites could have caused the collapse of the buildings. But as far as I know nobody has so far even demonstrated an experiment in which nanothermite composites have caused sufficient reduced strength of one single steel beam. It seems as if Jesse Venture initiated some kind of experiment on a steel beam which they contaminated with nanothermite composites. The experiment failed, as far as I can understand. But perhaps you know about some more successful experiment?
It also seems as if no forensic reconstruction of the pieces that were left of the buildings was carried out.
General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III, former head of the US military intelligence, obviously support the conspiracy theorists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E
However, he is also using the burn temperature as an argument against the official version on what happened. Spontaneously, I must say that the burn temperature seems to be a bad argument.
Dude, you're a little behind the time. DOE confirmed early on 911 was a Nuke event. The AllahSnackBars with Box cutters were for your entertainment only. Hook. Line. Sinker.
And their taxes should be refunded to their families, especially at the 75% rate?
This Turkish PM?
On his way to sample the newly captured Janissary boys?
Cool. Shows that Turkey has been around the block a few times.
What's that shit? Cosplay or Kosplay? LOL.
You do all realize that if the global re-org plan shits the bed each one of the factions will turn on the other like the pack of rabid rats they be
And if you think there will be chaos in the current path of controlled chaos just imagine how bad it could get if things go sideways on the path to Eden and all hell breaks lose
I know. My post are starting to sound like a Joe Biden speech. Maybe the demonic entity inside him is trying to channel me. Better put on the tinfoil hat just to be safe
CTG_Sweden saying that is very dangerious (like what happened in Europe in 1930-40)
What you are saying is those that dont follow the govt line shoould not be heard, or the govt is telling the truth. The Germans set of multiple false flags to invade Poland, they admitied it during the post war trials. And Japan did the same in China.
The serious problem today is the US owes 18 trill dollars a lot of it to foreigners and they cant pay it back (its much larger than EU debt level). Japan is worse, yet notice nothe their rates are extremely low.. the more they borrow the lower their rates are..
They can never pay these debts back, and to default would make a global reset (how would the US fund their army/navy ect.. so things are not the same as before and its not surprising the US is taking extreme measures to keep the petro dollar, as its decline would bankrupt the US.
The problem is not exactly the debt the problem is the US and Japan and southern Eurpope, do not generate enough tax income to support their current social level and definantly not the payement of the debt. The BOJ is buying all the debt at close to zero rate to force the bond holders to move to other assets who can support the income.. ie so its gotton to the stage the Japan Govt is saying we cant pay interest anymore if you want to keep holding these bonds 0-5ys you have to pay us or go find some other asset for income (becsause they ant got the money)....
The German attack on Poland in 1939 is a very obvious example of justifying war with a false flag attack (the Germans claimed that Poland had attacked Germany). Your point is probably that the German general public believed that it was a real attack since the big media said so. And that is probably to a large extent true. But people tend to be more cautious when they know that the government controls the media.
My other posts in this thread have very little to do with your comments above, see my posts
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The Zionist chews are not gonna like this talk. Not one little shmeck.
its not about that its debt the USD and oil... can the US keep control thats it.. they might they might not.. the debt is their risk...
Wiki:
France has formally recognized the Armenian massacres as genocide.[82]
In 2006, the French Parliament submitted a bill to create a law that would punish any person denying the Armenian genocide with up to five years' imprisonment and a fine of €45,000.[83] Despite Turkish protests,[84] the French National Assembly adopted a bill making it a crime to deny that Armenians suffered genocide in 1915 at the hands of the Ottoman Turks.[85] The bill had been criticized as an attempt to garner votes from among the 600,000 ethnic Armenians of France.[86] This criticism has come not only from within Turkey,[87] but also from Orhan Pamuk.[88] However, the bill was dropped in the summer of 2011 before coming to the Senate.[89]
Since then, France has urged Turkey to recognize the 1915 massacre genocide.[90]
The French Senate passed a bill in 2011 that criminalizes denial of acknowledged genocides, which includes both the Holocaust and the Armenian Genocide. The bill was submitted by the parliament in 2012.[91] However, the bill was considered unconstitutional on February 28, 2012 by the French Constitutional Court: “The council rules that by punishing anyone contesting the existence of... crimes that lawmakers themselves recognized or qualified as such, lawmakers committed an unconstitutional attack on freedom of expression”
I formally recognize the French treatment of Haiti, both past and present, as a crime against humanity.
I also formally recognize the French treatment of Vietnam, both past and present, as a crime against humanity.
I also formally recognize the French treatment of Libya, past and present, as a crime against humanity.
When did Haiti gain independence? 1802? Jesus they're as hopelessly unable to operate a bottle cap opener as is most of the Arab world. They sure know how to Necklace adversaries, kinda like the Arabs know how to by law crucify adversaries.
FF, you're typing more of that Hebrish. People are waking up that they should not even engage with a snake. Folks, just ignore it and cut its head off. There is nothing to be gained from the conversation other than poison.
Haiti has been treated since 1802 the way Cuba has been treated since 1960 - only much worse.
Haitis' crime? Defeating its great white masters (France). In the Americas. This crime will NEVER be forgiven.
Toussaint L'Overture reminds me of Simon Bolivar and George Washington. Not many people have beaten the Empire, but these three did. Definitely not stupid.
IMHO, stupid would be spending one's life telling everyone else that one is different and better and more deserving, and in surrounding oneself with expensive trinkets to convince oneself of this silliness. What one misses is the much greater fun of spending time appreciating the beautiful universe one had the great luck to be born in. That is, one cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven when one is worrying about one's social status.
Who were the Donmeh? Secret Polish Catholics?
Secret Jewish and Christian converts. Close.
Thought crimes laws like this are unlawful.
They fit in nicely with the envisioned Neo-feudalism however.
Hi falconflight - I guess you're the kind of Turk hater that thinks all things Turkish (people, language, music, etc.) are slime and the world would be a better place without them. I imagine you're one of those greco-philic nationalistic types that envisions a time when Istanbul will be Greek once again. How can you stand living in a world where even one Turk is allowed to live? Must be hard for the likes of you and your oppressed bretheren.
BTW - the Armenian Genocide did happen.
Falcon you remember what happened after the Mavi Marmara Massacre? I do because I was in touch with people on those boats and was very involved at that time? The best story, however, was right after the event - within US politics. The Zionist forces, which you apparently feel are so kind and loving, finally green-lighted their US arm to allow anti-Turkish policy to pass in the US Congress. That's right, for years Armenians were lobbying for the US to recognize the Armenian genocide. No one gave a shit though and, in fact, such discussion of genocides (other than the holocaust) were seriously restricted in US policy. Not after Israel decided to assassinate unarmed people on a boat traveling to Gaza and then felt the need to vilify Turkey (shameless Jew-sraelis gathered outside of the Turkish embassy - a country that they had just attacked - to start spouting nonsense like Erdogan is Hitler and Turkey is Hamas). Yes, Israel got their political agents in the US to push anti-Turkish recognition of the Armenian genocide in the US Congress...because they cared.
I think you care as much for Kurds and Armenians as your bosses do. STFU already.
Hey Ya'll can you turkish bathhouse goat effing faux prophet lovin CAIR rectum snooters wait a minute?
Yeah the Turks, as slimy as Assad, Abbas, and Moressey
January 8, 2015 - 16:29 AMT
PanARMENIAN.Net - Documents obtained under a Freedom of Information request by the Armenian National Committee of Australia (ANC Australia) confirm that the Australian government continues to be gagged by Turkey on the issue of the Armenian Genocide.
In a letter addressed to then-Foreign Minister of Turkey, Ahmet Davutoglu, Julie Bishop writes: “Recognizing the important interests at stake for both countries, I assure you that there has been no decision to change the long-standing position of successive Australian Governments on this issue.”
The letter from the Australian Foreign Minister further emphasizes Turkey's "gag rule" by qualifying Australia's position on the Armenian Genocide with the words: “recognizing the important interests at stake for both countries”. It has already been revealed that Turkey is currently on an international campaign to gag leading nations from speaking truthfully and honestly on the Armenian Genocide, ANC Australia says.
A large part of the documents released by the Department of Foreign Affairs were redacted in full, citing disclosure of documents would cause damage to “the international relations of the Commonwealth.”
ANC Australia Executive Director, Vache Kahramanian, commented: "It is obvious that Australia has succumbed to Turkey’s ongoing threats to ban Members of Parliament from attending the Centenary commemorations at ANZAC Cove, and even close ANZAC Cove in its entirety in the lead up to the Centenary, should Australia recognize the events of 1915 as genocide. It is bewildering that the Australian government needs to redact a large number of documents held by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade on the Armenian Genocide.”
He added: “It is clear that Australian government officials continue to succumb to ongoing threats by Turkey and as a result allow a foreign government to dictate Australia’s position on this issue. In this Centenary year, where Australia will commemorate the horrors of World War I, it should also have the moral courage to unequivocally recognize and condemn the Armenian Genocide and pay homage to the thousands of Australia who were at the forefront of providing international aid during and after the Armenian genocide of 1915-1923."
PanARMENIAN.Net - The Talaat Pasha Committee, a Turkish nationalist organization aiming to counter recognition of the Armenian Genocide, has been refused entry to Athens, where it was planning to issue a statement to protest a bill recently approved by the Greek parliament, Horizon Weekly reports.
The committee wanted to the withdrawal of the bill approved by Greece’s parliament in September that stiffens penalties for racially motivated crime and criminalizes the denial of genocide and war crimes. The delegation of 13 people was intercepted by police at the airport and prevented from entering the city for “security reasons.” They were sent back to Turkey with the next flight.
The Greek lawmakers adopted on Sept 9, 2014 an anti-hate crime bill on Combating Discrimination, Xenophobia, and Racism, making it illegal to deny the Jewish Holocaust, and genocides recognized by international courts or by the Greek parliament, including the genocide of Pontus Greeks, the genocide of Asia Minor Greeks, and the Armenian Genocide. Those violating this new law would be fined up to
Violation of the law supposes a fine of 30,000 euros or imprisonment of up to three years.
The Greek law stems from the European Union’s 2008 “Framework Decision against Racism and Xenophobia,” which urged all EU states to adopt laws that punish racism, xenophobia, denial of genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes.
Wow, Arabs in the West Bank have far more more rights than Kurds under the newest ZH'er/David Duke heroes hall of shame Turkish strongman ErDog:
Turkey and the Kurds
by Uzay Bulut
November 28, 2014 at 5:00 am
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4903/turkey-and-the-kurds
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For decades Turkey's official policy was: There are no Kurds -- so there is no problem.
"They wanted to send us a message through a beheading, a throat-cutting. This was an organized attack against our party. The [Turkish] state wanted to behead our party administrator in our party building. Behind this attack was the state itself." — Selahattin Demirtas, co-Chairman of the pro-Kurdish People's Democratic Party (HDP).
Turkey: A Laboratory of Various Methods of Oppressing the Kurds
In Turkey, the approximately 20 million Kurds do not have any national rights, autonomy, or even primary schools where they can be educated in the Kurdish language.
The real population of Kurds in Turkey is not known; the Turkish state has not carried out a census of Kurds.
That policy may be deliberate: the Turkish regime seems to prefer to deny everything that is related to Kurdish existence. Turkey's state authorities, before the AKP came to power in 2002, said that when the Turkish republic was established, there were no Kurds – just "mountain Turks," and that Kurdish is not a "real" language. Since then, however, thanks to pro-Kurdish parties, the Turkish government can no longer refer to them that way. The problem remains, however, that the government still does not officially recognize the Kurds and still keeps denying them the autonomy they feel is their right.
Funny ? :
http://rt.com/news/222027-erdogan-abbas-ottoman-welcome/
His delusions of grandeur as manifest in the photo, will likely be a topic of erectile, tactile interest by the Goebbels Brigade.
This all continues to tie in nicely to the Gog Magog War that the Bible predicted over 1500 years ago would happen in the last of the Last Days. God has his own timepiece but you can see the signs like increased birth pangs before a woman gives birth. 30 years ago no one could have predicted the cozy relationship between Russia and Iran and here comes Turkey! Take a look at the below and tell me the Bible is still all fairy tale.
http://trackingbibleprophecy.com/gog_magog.php
Your interpretation is incorrect.
The Second coming occurs first, then, 1,000 years later, Gog and Magog:
"When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore" - Revelation 20:7.8
Note that "Gog and Magog" is here a euphemism for "the nations which are in the four corners (North, South, East and West) of the earth", that is, all individuals that did not put faith in Jesus Christ make up "Gog and Magog."
I give your linked article a 3 out of 5:
MISINTERPRETATION #1: "The Book Of Revelation Says The World Will End In Our Lifetime!"
My comment: Whose lifetime? is the only question. I believe it will occur very shortly, as there are very few signs left to fulfill.
MISINTERPRETATION #2: "Christ Will Reign On Earth During The Millennium!"
My comment: Christ will reign on “the New Earth” (Revelation 21:1-3). “
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them. There is no ambiguity here.
MISINTERPRETATION #3: "The Whore Of Babylon Is The Catholic Church!"
My comment: The Whore of Babylon is the global financial system.
“I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides” (Revelation 17:7) “ The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.” (Revelation 17:18)
This Whore (the financial system) rides, and rules the Beast (governments) of this world. When this financial system collapses, the merchants (all of them) and the “sea captains and sailors” (those who transport goods) will weep because their means of livelihood has disappeared:
“The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”(Revelation 18:3) “The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore” (Revelation 18:11) “The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment.” (Revelation 18:15) “Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. 18 When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, ‘Was there ever a city like this great city?’ 19 They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out: “‘Woe! Woe to you, great city, where all who had ships on the sea became rich through her wealth! (Revelation 18:17-19).
The clincher in providing the correct interpretation is Revelation 18:23: “By your magic spell all the nations were led astray.” That magic spell is fiat currency, fractional reserve banking, derivatives and all the other “Magic” that the Whore has created out of thin air. There is no other magic spell like it, that deceives almost the entire population that they are actually working for money created out of nothing, with no intrinsic value. And they misplace their faith because of it, putting their faith in money rather than God.
MISINTERPRETATION #4: "I Am Going To Be Raptured Out Before The Great Tribulation!"
My comment: The pre-millenial Rapture is based on a poor interpretation of Scripture.
MISINTERPRETATION #5: “ Not A Cipher Or A Riddle, But The Revelation Of Christ”
My comment: The Revelation of Christ requires a deep knowledge of the Scriptures. It is definitely, like any prophetic work, a riddle that can only be answered with Holy Spirit, Faith in God, Prayer and deep study of the Scriptures.
interesting interpretation...
even tho i do not take any part of the bible as truth...
Zion is scared, it seems.
The World is awakening, emerging from that Pharisees spell and seeing murder, theft, and terrorism as the very basis of the Jewish State.
But Israel itself could itself round up and arrest those who helped run 9/11 - and then all will be forgiven.
Scout's Honor.
Scared? I suspect that is likely their history, but the truly frightened are those who live in a conspiracy, hate filled mental hell to explain the world around them and their place within that hellish worldview.
https://archive.org/details/MastersOfDeception
Then there are those, like you, who hate Truth most of all.
How other famous landmarks compare to Erdogan's huge new palace
Don't you Left-Handers pine to lay around here? :)
Erdogan's new palace is so big the White House could fit in it 58 times.
(Simran Khosla/ GlobalPost/GlobalPost)
What do you do with a palace 58 times the size of the White House? Turkey's president is about to find out.
Recep Tayyip Erdogan unveiled his new presidential palace this week, mass protests and environmental concerns over the construction process be damned.
The lavish palace, dubbed Ak Saray — "the White Palace" — contains 1,000 rooms and stretches over 3.2 million square feet. The project reportedly cost $615 million dollars.
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/europe/turkey/141106/cha...
Probably paid for by the israelis (via american taxpayers of course) when he was still doing their bidding.
you think I could get a position, a paid position to post pro hasbara love and peace lilly prose? You do have a hopeful side to you. xxoo... strictly Agape.
Actually, we all end in dust, so you are probably best to switch side to the righteous as quickly as possible.
Probably a 1000 room torture gallery....
"The duplicity of the west is obvious,” Recep Tayyip Erdogan said at a press conference on Monday evening. “As Muslims we have never sided with terror or massacres: racism, hate speech, Islamophobia are behind these massacres.”
His punchline: "The culprits are clear: French citizens undertook this massacre and Muslims were blamed for it,” he added.
What a shithead. The French mistake was allowing these cavemen to overrun their country.
"The duplicity of the west is obvious,” Recep Tayyip Erdogan said at a press conference on Monday evening. “As Muslims we have never sided with terror or massacres: racism, hate speech, Islamophobia are behind these massacres.”
His punchline: "The culprits are clear: French citizens undertook this massacre and Muslims were blamed for it,” he added.
What a shithead. The French mistake was allowing these cavemen to overrun their country.
Yeah, right. We should go back to a time when them darkies were slaves....
Turkish land grabbing war mongers need to give back the land they stole after invading the Greek island of Cyprus, which is three times the size of the Jewish territory known as Judea and Samaria and the historically Jewish territory known as Gaza which could fit neatly into Cyprus more than 30 times.
Oh, because I know that the ZH community of human rights blood libelists here are inquiring:
Time: 04:35, Saturday 20 July 1974. The graphic and most beautiful ancient Greek town of Kyrenia as it was seen by the Turkish pilots the morning of 20 July 1974 when the air-raids of the Turkish air-force against Cyprus began.
Bombings were more intense on the northern shores of Cyprus and around the "Pente Mili" (five miles west of the town of Kyrenia) area where all the landings took place. Click the photo for enlargement.
Turkish propaganda brochure: "Turkish Army in Cyprus".
July 20 1974 Turkish propaganda brochure of the military invasion code-name "ATTILA1" July 20 1974. Turkish propaganda brochure of the 2nd Turkish invasion code-name "ATTILA2" Aug 14-16 1974.
The Turkish army began its invasion with deployment of their forces at "Pente Mili" (Five Mile Point) west of the town of Kyrenia unloading heavy materials, tanks, artillery units and troops. The landings took place at the most difficult spot, since the waters there are very deep, and allowing only a narrow stretch where only 2 cargo ships could land at a time. The attack and invasion was planned years before, taking all these considerations into account. Turkish air-force and Turkish NAVY overwhelmed the forces of the Cyprus National Guard inflicting constant air-raids and heavy naval coastal bombardments.
Turkish invasion had three main objectives:
1. To land as much personnel and material on Kyrenia shores and create a stronghold pocket.
2. To drop paratroopers inside the Turkish enclaves of Nicosia-Agyrta.
3. To weaken the National Guard of Cyprus by intense air-raids with Napalm bombs, and prevent them from deploying any serious resistance.
http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/cyprus1974/turkish_invasion.htm
Jewish? Judea and Samaria?
Except the majority is and has been Arab for well over 1,300 years.
But they aren't worth a single Jewish fingernail - right, FF?
Did you know the Romans once banned Jews from Cyprus.
"Because anti-Semitism" will be your answer. Because of their unusually bloody massacre of Greek and Latin men, women and children is the truth.
"the historically Jewish territory known as Gaza"
This guy must get a paycheck to troll this place.
Whatever his complaint about Cyprus (I didn't follow), at least it is a country where Israelis of differing religions can go and get married...since it IS NOT LEGAL here for people of different religions to marry and it is NOT LEGAL for Jews who don't want to have a rabbi control their lives to marry.
I'll tell you one thing about your "historic rulers" of the East of the Mediterranean. They are historically shitty, as proven by the past 60+ years.
Whatever. You conveniently left out the bit about the military coup, lead by Greek Cypriot "Enosis" patriots that sought 'union' with Greece (also then run by a ruthless military junta), that occured on the island only days before. Why don't you offer a balanced view instead of typical one-sided polemix you turks-and-greeks always engage in? You clowns are all the same.
Alex Jones is a crazy person.
Sometimes, but a good analyst won't discount most sources, even if it's suspect. One can sometimes glean useful information from disinformation sources.
blah blah blah, but the alleged victims must still be walking around if it was an act - nobody has seen them?
The New Bolsheviks will NOT be happy about this. Heads will roll......
The above article opens that this leader and others marched with millions of people. Check out the photo at LibertyBlitzkreg- link on left hand of ZH margin. These leaders posed for a photo op with just enough people to make it appear they marched with the others. What a joke. In the same article a journalist gives a scathing review of all these leaders and their commitment to freedom of the press.
Yeah, who'd expect differently from any of these craven vultures. But, I have to give grudgingly, much deserved respect for the French people. They poured into the streets by the millions, something that I could never imagine from my own, no matter the circumstance. That makes my eyes sting with despair.
Just tell the masses they'll get $30 more on their EBT cards. You'll see a crowd that would make a Tokyo subway car at rush hour seem spacious.