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Another Turkish Shocker: "Netanyahu And The French Terrorists Are The Same", PM Says
Just two day after the Turkish President Erdogan's stunning outburst that "the culprits are clear: French citizens undertook this massacre and Muslims were blamed for it," and blamed Mossad for masterminding it, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu on Thursday accused his Israeli counterpart Benjamin Netanyahu of committing "crimes against humanity" comparable to those of the Islamist gunmen behind the Paris attacks that left 17 dead.
Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu's comments on Thursday risk enflaming a new row in the increasingly tense bilateral relationship after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan blasted Netanyahu for "daring" to attend the weekend's anti-terror solidarity march in Paris after the attacks.
"Netanyahu has committed crimes against humanity the same as those terrorists who carried out the Paris massacre," he told reporters in Ankara in televised comments.
Davutoglu said Netanyahu's "crimes against humanity" included the deadly 2010 Israeli assault on a Turkish aid vessel and last year's onslaught on Hamas-controlled Gaza.
Davutoglu said Netanyahu was "the head of a government which massacred children playing in the beaches in Gaza and destroyed thousands of houses."
He said the Israeli premier's government "made almost natural the killing of Palestinians at every opportunity."
It had also "massacred our citizens by launching an operation against an aid ship in international waters."
This followed Netanyahu's sharp response to Erdogan's initial outburst...
Netanyahu had spat back Wednesday that Erdogan's "shameful remarks must be repudiated by the international community."
And Davutoglu came to his President's defense...
Davutoglu sniped that Netanyahu had looked "alone" at the Paris march against terrorism, where the Turkish and Israeli prime ministers had joined other world leaders in a show of solidarity.
A statement by the Turkish presidency Thursday said Netanyahu had staged "a miserable political show" by attending the Paris rally and had sought to exploit the event for "his own political purposes".
"The Israeli government should abandon its aggressive and racist policies, instead of attacking others under the pretext of anti-Semitism," presidential spokesman Ibrahim Kalin said in the statement.
But Davutoglu went further...seemingly assigning blame once again...
Davutoglu condemned the publication of cartoons of the Muslim prophet as an "open provocation", warning that Turkey would not tolerate insults against Mohammed.
"Freedom of the press does not mean freedom to insult," said Davutoglu. "We do not allow any insult to the prophet in this country," he added.
And the rhetoric is soaring...
The fraying ties has exasperated the United States, which is keen for key NATO member Turkey to have a close military relationship with Israel.
The Turkish president is known for his angry outbursts at the Jewish state, declaring in July that Israel had "surpassed Hitler in barbarism".
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As The FT confusingly explained:
"Although political leaders in Turkey have repeatedly condemned the attacks on the Charlie Hebdo magazine, a Jewish supermarket and a policewoman, a parallel narrative has emerged in the country, with conspiracy theorists blaming the murders on foreign intelligence agencies rather than radical Islamists."
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INCONCEIVABLE!
it's all talk. why don't they do something about it rather than run their mouths. two-faced jackasses are no different.
Wanna see a Turkish Army move across the Line of Control?
Wanna see the inside of a Turkish prison?
You ever hang around a mens gymnasium?
Our Vector is Victor!
Our Vector is Victor!
America Jihad!
America Jihad!
I have a feeling this guy is going to 'commit suicide' in a very theatrical fashion soon. Probably stab himself in the back a few times then jump off a tall building or something.
well if this isn't just the pot calling the kettle black!
as i recall, our eminent VP joe biden was caught on film recently admitting that america's allies in the middle-east are arming ISIS, and specifically named israel, saudi arabia, and TURKEY as the ones doing so!
All Show for iinternal audience.
The PRIMARY job of the MainStreamMedia is to convince us that people who say governments conduct false flag operations like Gladio against their own people, are crazy.
Not saying he is right or wrong, or that it was or wan't a false flag. But this is starting to resemble an episode of three's company.
Call it a pot calling the kettle black.
Turkey's inciting and support of the Syrian conflict, and then raping it for its economic assets and machinery has been absolutely shameless.
And gone completely unpunished, and never talked about in the MSM either.
As a member of NATO, Turkey's behavior has been a glaring criminal disgrace.
No wonder no one wants to talk about it.
Arkansacide
...by muslims of course.
________
Remeber Vince Foster
They do make nailguns that run on gas cartridges...
Have You Ever Seen a Grown Man Naked?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2A194yTWoQ
Do you get a impression that Erdogan is fed up with Mossad false flags, indeed with the USSA after the state department tried to overthrow him via another phony color revolution?
It is so refreshing to hear the occasional truth coming out of the mouth of Erodgan, despite being a member of the class of inveterate political liars called Presidents.
Fuck Erdogan. Him and his party are at every turn trying to take away people's rights in the name of Islam. Try buying a bottle of liquor in Istanbul.
It's great and all that he is trying to call out USSA and the Jews but the dude is not anything to be revered. Under him, the secular population of Turkey has suffered greatly.
Maybe, but people voted him in power AND kept him there. If a majority of Turks like him, I don't see what your problem is... I do remember a time when the Turkish military was doing a coup about every 5 years, in order to maintain some sort of modern secular state, and rule of law. Alas, back then Turkey was harshly criticized from all sides (Europeans being the loudest and dumbest) for not being democratic. Well, democracy brought Erdogan in power you morons... how do you like it now ?
The secular population of Turkey is much smaller than the Muslim population. So it is okay that a smaller, but significant portion of the population is abused just because there is a leader in power that was democratically elected? It would be like us electing a president who was openly abusing our black population on a regular basis. Just because the majority of the population voted him in it makes it okay?
Ah ok, just caught your criticism of democracy at the end there, I got it... sorry if my post didnt reflect that
No problem buying liquor in Istanbul, just go to any corner store, supermarket or liquor shop...
You have clearly never been there
Certainly not within the last 2 years at least
You must be an Arab...
And you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about... but of course presume to know everything there is to know about a place because 'you know someone...'
"Netanyahu And The French Terrorists Are The Same."
Nope.
[Bibi isn't French...]
Now here is your bee-bee gun.
We got lots of bee-bees too.
Go get 'em cowboy!
You are spot on...lots of talkity talk...turns out at the top they all use the same hookers and blow...and we get to pay for it!! YAY! Whatever I can do for any of my leaders to get them laid by the best high-end tranny hookers they desire, I am on board for personally paying for all of it - ONLY - if they get on tv once in a while and shout nasty things to our current "enemy" (their actual friend).
Do what exactly? Russia just gave them the golden ticket by cutting out Ukraine. Europe wants gas... go build some pipelines to Turkey. The Turks don't need to do a damn thing but watch the Euros come groveling, hat in hand. Not a fan of the Turks but they are in the proverbial "sweet spot" due to the incompetent and corrupt Euro-crats.
Putin is moving pieces brilliantly.
Welcome to the tectonic shift. The pipeline to Turkey was not the only thing Putin discussed with Erdogan. No doubt, Vlad only had to ask one question:
Why do you insist in being Israel's bitch?
Russia and Turkey have very similar histories - Russia sloughed off the Zionists when they escaped from the Soviet Union, and Ergodan has the same opportunity to throw off the Donmeh Zionist "Young Turks" that gifted the world with the Armenian genocide...
NATO is probably a bit nervous right now as one of their own is well on its way to switching sides.
The giveaway will be an understanding between Erdogan and Assad...
Well played by Vlad...
repost here: "
some say House of termites Saud.....due for a turkish revenge inspired bout of instability .....courtesy of a seriously strategically engaged russky president. But egypt and a few others have to be mollified.....but that has been done before.
2015 or 2016? any guesses out there? Just askin' "
"bonus comment: am sure Valjar sees things clearly .....so mommy will save them/us just as she always has ......"
Excuse the dup...
Do you know how that I know this Turkish fellow is nuts? He and Barack Hussein Obama are really good buddies. Case closed.
If he keeps insulting Israel he won't be Obama's buddy for long.
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
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Mr. Assad to pivot north?
Turkish support of Assad would be a game changer. Russia gave them their gas pipeline. No need to support USA now.
Exactly, Turkey's with Russia now is basically the meaning of all this. Bound to be more to come on a few fronts.
Enormous historical enmity to overcome though. Should not be underestimated.
it's really just been a matter of time until turkish politicians started behaving in such a manner. i have a feeling that NATO wasn't very forthcoming to them about how much support they would eventually have for the Kurdish people. i do recall recently a story about beseiged city of kurdish fighters in north-east syria, and how NATO browbeat Turkey into allowing assistance to be provided, saving their bitter enemies the peshmurga from isis(?). the velvet-gloved fist can't be all things to all peoples all the time, just some of the time. it seems possible that it may have been the last straw for Turkey, jilted lover of anglomurica.
politics make for strange bedfellows; the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
i think we are on the verge of seeing a number of fringe NATO allies turns eastward, if we haven't seen it already... interesting times for sure, the scales seem mighty precarious just now...
NATO and the EU are playing Turkey for a bunch'o chumps.
Enmity exacerbated on purpose by the Anglo-Zionists.
At some point (e.g. NOW it would seem) the Turks ask themselves what the benefits are and who *really* gains from this enmity... a red pill moment is offing
Enormous historical enmity to overcome though. Should not be underestimated.
What, between Turkey and Russia? Compared with Turkey and NATO (which includes historical enemies Greece, as well as France and England that were instrumental in destroying the Ottoman Empire).
Yes, I can well see Erdogan joining up with Putin, making nice with Assad, and then helping Assad bring the Syrian Kurds back to heel.
Did not one of these two get taped planning a false flag within their country (Turkey) so it could be blamed on Assad?
The leaders of Turkey are speaking out to try to save their hides. After cooperating with Russia on the new pipeline to be built Turkey was on the bad guy list. The false flag in France included Syria, Libya, Yemen and Turkey in the discussion of countries with possible ties to the "terrorists".
Then there is the issue of Massod wanting to control who can move ships through to Crimia (or control the land they sail past subjecting them to covert attacks by "unknown" agents). This also makes it more difficult for them because turning Turkey into Iraq or Syria could backfire if the wrong radicals get control of that access way. They have to effect regime change without destruction of the country (I believe).
A lot of effort was put into rallying the public after the false flag, even suiciding the lead investigator - funny how this has been kept out of the news. I would expect one of these places to go hot very soon or there is another larger, major false flag planned shortly - and then under it's cover all hell breaks loose before too many questions are asked. It also appears Germany has chosen to be with the US/Massod/France but may be keeping options open to back away from it by not being as outspoken.
It is time to throw these muslim pieces of shit out of NATO...
I,m hoping they will voluntarily leave. Putin could use such an ally.
Let's just let NATO, a relic from the past, simply die and fade away.
The problem with this man's statemnent, aside from the whole Mossad bit, is that he's UNDERSTATING the crimes of Netanyahu. What Netanyahu and his predecessors have done is far, far, far beyond what happened to a bunch of French "journalists" who painted a target on themselves.
Yeah, yeah. To heck with defense!
America Jihad! America Jihad!
The problemis that NATO, in trying to avoid becoming a relic, is instigating trouble all over the place, anywhere in fact other than the North Atlantic region.
the problem is that POTUS tells NATO what to do
You fail to see the strtegic importance of the Bosphorus?
Google Map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bosphorus,+Turkey/@41.119444,29.075278...
One Hour of Mortal Kombat finishing moves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNhexnJcO_s
Time to disband NATO - waste of fucking money and unnecessary anymore.
And NATO's missiles out of Turkey.
Hey Chimpanzy, get it right...
NATO needs Turkey more than Turkey needs NATO.
Of course, we all know the Turks are right.
Do "we" know that? I don't think so Tim. This is the same delusion POS that said the Muslims discovered America.
In the end, he is just projecting. It is the Muslims who desperately want to infect the whole world with the gutter religion. Mostly because they want to fuck & impregnate our blond women. Can't bleme 'em for that though.
Why doesn't Erdogan pick up his Al Qaeda hotl line and ask to speak to the Yemini Operation Chief. That guy claims full responsibility. Maybe Erdogan can confirm it.
Erdogan is simply another muzzie ruler who hopes that ISIS won't take his head.
Yeah looks like NATO will unravel with the euro zone
NATO is just twelve guys sitting around a table dude.
Use Wiki...check it out.
NATO does NOT attack.
The French on the other hand....
Sheesh
Don't really disagree with much he is saying about Israel, but I know a lot of Turkish people and according to them, this guy is basically trying to turn Turkey into Saudi Arabia.
and we have 15 day in 2015 only...
What Fucking SHOCKER?????????????????????
He said Turkish shocker... you know, Two in the Pink, one in the stink, one in the Jew
I haven't heard head-of-state smack talk like that since Ahmedinejad left office.
Ol' Chavez could talk some trash. Oh wait..
2015 will be the year of blunt accusations. Fuck Zion and these preening zionistas.
I agree.
The actions of Netanyahu is very much like the actions of those terrorists.
So are the actions of Yellen, Obozo, Clinton the cunt, barbara the bolshivek, the cloven hooved pelosi, bohner the boner, bush the murderer, oh hell, if you are an american politician, regardless of stripe, you are on par with terrorists.
completely agree
LOL 3 times now, very nice
Russia: Also/obviously that's where Europe can buy gas now.
Well played.
A real investigation of 911 would lead to Israel being reduced to glass.
6 weeks 3 hours, cool
Did they use the Jedi or Vulcan mind control methods on the Saudi's?
dna
Which is why there will never be one.
How is that possible if Weinstein is in charge of the nukes??
That is rich, the Turks have such clean hands. Armenians, Kurds, Arabs, Jews, and Greeks, and thow in some Slavs.......
Don't worry about the cleanliness of the Turk's hand, Solarman..
None compare to the English and American's.
The triumvirat...
Obommya, Bibi & Frank
Considering that Israel's pipeline through eventually conquered Syria needs to connect in Turkey, I can with the utmost confidence say that Turkey is going to be the next Ukraine.
Hotel Zionism: "You can checkout, but you can never leave."
The banksters need to repay us.
wow, this is some deep sjit.
Wow, this guy mustn't know what happens to those that speak truthfully in public......guess he/Turkey will find out soon.
Time for a ZH circle jerk, heh
There is a circle jerk size limit rh and i'm afraid you're a little short.
Kemal Attaturk, and the young Turks were likely Crypto Jews. This group led Turkey into the West after the fall of Ottoman empire.
http://www.atajew.com/
Sabati Sevi, the Jewish Messiah in 1666 was forced into Islamic Conversion by Ottoman Sultanate. This number 666 is a holy number in Kaballah, and Sabati was to incarnate as the Messiah. In 1667 he died and of course did not regenerate, showing himself as false prophet. When Sabati converted he told his followers it was ok for Crypto behavior. The Kol Niedre prayer also allows Crypto lying and Mossad like "war by deception." On death bed, though it is important to fall back to Judaism. So, closed funerals like that of Franklin Roosevelt's are always suspect.
Erdogan is likely a real Muslim and hence is in opposition to the former Western Crypto Turkey. Remember, the international money powers of world government are now running the West, especially after WW2 -where they won.
Ideas matter, and religion matters, as Ideas precede action. To put it in anthropological terms, the Human Animal is animated by ideas before revolution. And yes, some of his religious ideas are pure psychopathology. Man also has whacky ideas about money, and this is not surprising given the usury funded hypnosis spread by the press and academia. Who gains this usury through their international "credit" banking maneuvers - it is our tribal friends.
Defund them, and a lot of the psychopathology present in the world will go away.
Apparently atajew.com is "...an informational website and scholarly reference", but is "...NOT a hate site!" yet the title states "Truth About Jewish Gay Dictator Mustafa Kemal Exposed: Freemason Ataturk was a Doenmeh Zionist Jew."
Further, according to their About page, atajew.com is "...owned and maintained by a group of Truth Defenders, in support of Turkish people's struggle to liberate their country from the Crypto-Jewish/Masonic/Zionist invasion."
And the site is hosted in the USA. It sounds all too familiar, need I say more?
Lemme guess. This guy's got terminal cancer and has insurance that pays out $100m if he dies in mysterious ways.
Where's FalconFlight? Mossad must have a 300baud modem to her.
Oh please. Not again. Everytime they do that - somebody should go outside and howl loudly "The jews!" to the moon. That makes it better. Meh. I am getting to old for this shit. Nah, I am not saying Mossad is not powerful. It is. I am not saying they never did undercover missions or some really fucked up things that we as members of the civil and rational community find disgusting. They did. So did other states.
But this is such a typical nonsense - uttered by Muslims. I am fed up with their attitude of trying to blame anybody else. And of all people - of course - the Jews - the popular scapegoat of the past 2000 years (at least since 79AD). Look, I read the Quran. I also read the Hadiths. I even have Muslim friends and we even can discuss matters in a nonviolent way. But their philosophical thinking ended in the 12th century when some of their best minds tried to question the authority of god. They are just shying away from the main problem here - and no, you don't need to become an atheist. But have a grown up perspective on life and nature. I know, I know - I am asking too much here.
And btw - who killed those 2000 people in Africa? I know - a bit underreported these days - just black people in a remote village - I get it - but lemme guess - the jews - of course...they got nothing better to do as a minority than to poke everybody in the eye.
It's a fucked up world. I am sorry. I mean - a lovely world...
You're right.
It is a fucked up world. And one of the major fuck ups was plopping down all the Jews, who wanted to be plopped, on ocean front propery in 1948.
NO MATTER WHAT THE TERMS OF THE PLOPPING WERE THEN.
To those of you who get upset when I talk about monetary history, and bring up the negative behavior of the Joooz - I say grow a pair, and grow up.
Why don't you read the Talmud, the Kabbalah, Sabati Sevi, Zionist writings from Herzyl, etc. Its out there if you are an honest researcher.
Oh My its the Jooooz. We should censor our thoughts because they are so special? Cry me a river.
There is a reason they were kicked out of Europe some 200 times. They operated the usury mechanism in direct contravention of Mosaic law. The southern tribes of Judea are not Israel. Normal people are not born anti-semitic, it is learned. A healthy host will always want to shake off its parasite.
A unhealthy host will not even know it is parasitized.
Oh my, how could so few people be so dangerous? It has everything to do with working as an in-group, and following blood-line religion. Their sages directly describe what they are doing, if you would but read. Combine this with money power and it is a potent brew.
Rejecting the real history of man because one is afraid to look straight at Judaism is not being intellectually honest. People that reject those of us that look straight at Judaism should be ridiculed as sophomoric.
this guy, the turkish PM, sounds like a conspiracy theorist from ZH forum.
As a head of government he should at least provide the proof of the pudding.
You would be surprised how westish the weat side of Istanbul is and how muslim the east side is. If you want booze - stay on the west side. Just a tip , since you seem to never have been there or probably never outside the US.
I take it you were there on holidays once, and therefore know all there is to know about Istanbul..?
Turkey is quickly headed in the wrong direction. "Secular Islam" was always an oxymoron. Now a recently re-elected Erdogan apparently feels free to let his inner fanatic come out to play.
hot fucking damn!!!!!! give erdogan a high 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he is 100% correct. netanyahu and hollande planned the terrorist attack for hollande's re-election. netanyahu also orchestrated with dick cheney and michael harrari 9/11 using nuclear weapons supplied by bush sr during his presidency - and later.
netanyahu is a criminal. israel should be bombed into the stone age. tel aviv should be made a parking lot. that psychopathic sick fuck should be hauled into court and tried for his crimes; then executed.
israel is america's number 1 enemy and i call for the usa to declare war on that sick fuck country.
The deeper problem here is that human organizations are ALWAYS BASED ON ORGANIZED CRIME. There are NO "good guys." There is no side that I could support. There is everywhere Neolithic styles of civilization, based on being able to back up lies with violence. The biggest and most dominate groups are obviously the ones that did that the most.
There is nothing new in the "Art of War," except for progress in science and technology enabling the amplification of the basic principles that "success in war is based on deceits," and "spies are the most important soldiers." The Western world is dominated by the banksters, through their applications of the methods of organized crime. The Islamic world has another tradition of being able to apply the methods of organized crime.
My research into the so-called "War on Terror" (9/11) indicated that there is no reasonable doubt that was magnified by various inside job, false flag attacks, which were then wrongly blamed on predominately Islamic countries. However, at the same, I despise those Islamic societies, and their psychotic State Religion, just as much!
Most of the people in the Western world do not recognize that the monetary system is their State Religion, nor do they perceive that the concept of "national security" has become another psychotic State Religion, operating in the overall context of DEBT SLAVERY, BACKED BY WARS BASED ON DECEITS. Overall, that debt slavery has generated numbers which have become debt insanities, which do not appear to have any other ways to actually be resolved than cause death insanities. We are inside vicious spirals of the Art of War, spinning out of control, and becoming orders of magnitude more insane, due to being amplified to astronomical sizes by progress in science and technology, while NOTHING remotely like that applied to social sciences and social engineering, because, in order to make political science consistent with physical and biological sciences, it would be necessarily to recognize and admit that human realities ALWAYS operate according fractal patterns of organized crime.
The Western world is controlled by their banksters, who have successfully applied the principles and methods of organized crime, through their State Religions in the form of the monetary system and national security, to create a psychotically insane society. The Western world is in conflict, or a clash of cultures, with the Islamic world, which is controlled by its own history of its most triumphant organized crime gang being Islam. All around the world, the basic pattern is similar. However, since Neolithic styles of civilization, magnifying social pyramid systems based on backing up lies with violence, started in the Middle East, and spread out from there, the most intensely psychotic conflicts are between the different dominate organized crime gangs, whose roots go back to there, which now have apparently irreconcilable differences.
None of the dominate organized crime gangs can negotiate in good faith with the others, because none of them will admit the radical truths that they are all basically similar, because they are all based on being able to back up lies with violence. The only differences are in the styles of the kinds of bullshit that they use to justify and rationalize their behavior as bullies. Typically, ALL of those social systems are dominated by the best professional liars and immaculate hypocrites available, which create a Bizarro Mirror World in which everything appears proportionately backwards.
Our basic political problems are that each different kind of social pyramid system is dominated by its own respectively most psychotic and fanatical people. Meanwhile, progress in science and technology keeps on pumping up those social pyramid systems with powers and capabilities which became millions, then billions, and now trillions of times greater than ever before in known human history, while, IF technologically advanced civilizations are able to survive, will soon become quadrillions. All of the progress in science and technology continue to be channeled through social pyramid systems, based on backing up lies with violence, which are basically similar whether those are being justified by the banksters' bullshit, or by Islamic bullshit.
The only theoretically possible ways that we could resolve those problems better would be if the different dominant organized crime gangs could better negotiate with each other. However, each different kind of organized crime gang has ended up being dominated by its own kinds of criminally insane people. The only theoretical way that the human species MIGHT adapt to survive having significant progress in physical and biological sciences, etc., is IF there could be corresponding progress in social sciences and social engineering. However, such progress would require admitting that ALL social pyramid systems are based on backing up lies with violence.
In my view, there are no "good sides" to support in the old-fashioned conflicts between the various different kinds of organized crime gangs. In the Western world, we more have to be concerned that our biggest gangsters are the banksters. However, there is nothing truly different about the Islamic world, nor any other place on the planet that I am aware of. Human realities are always systems of organized lies operating robberies. Our political problems are due to the biggest bullies being able to promote their bullshit social stories to become dominate. From that perspective, there is no basic difference between the banksters and the more Islamic countries. They are BOTH out-of-control psychotic systems based on backing up lies with violence, which pretend to justify and rationalize themselves with their own preferred kinds of bullshit.
The FACT that the first generation that grew up with weapons of mass destruction is still alive today, emphasizes the novelty of our situation, that progress in basic sciences, without any progress in political science, has become a Grand Canyon Chasm, that is growing BIGGER every day! That is especially the case because every good analysis of any and every human social system necessarily reveals some systems of organized lies, operating robberies, because all human realities operate as entropic pumps of energy flows.
However, the way that has developed throughout history meant that the biggest bullies' bullshit dominated every different kind of society, so that all the dominant natural languages, as well as the dominate philosophy of science, and the previously dominant religions and ideologies, were ALWAYS based on bullshit. Thus, in the Western world, the banksters were the biggest bullshitters, whose bullshit became the most dominate, to drive the Western world to become systems of DEBT SLAVERY BACKED BY WARS BASED ON DECEITS, which are headed towards psychotic breakdowns. While the Eastern world had its own varieties of professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, operating its own sorts of systems of organized lies and robbery, while the Middle East, for many deeper reasons, related to geography, etc., became a source for some of the most psychotic and fanatical of the possible systems of lies backed by violence, one of which was Islam.
It seems to me that every different group has its own adherents, asserting the lies that they are the "good guys," while the others are the "bad guys." However, in my opinion there are NO "good guys" and there could not possibly be, rather there are only different kinds of "bad guys." That is the context in which I read the recent statements made by the Turkish President and Prime Minister. What they are saying about the Western world appears to me to be most probably true. However, I continue to regard the Islamic world as fundamentally being a similar gang of criminally insane people too. Thus, the extreme political dilemma for me personally, that there are NO SIDES THAT I COULD SUPPORT, since, in my view, the only things that actually exist are the dynamic equilibria between different systems of organized lies operating robberies.
After spending several decades worrying about the existence of weapons of mass destruction, that problem is still a bitch, since there are still no good solutions that I am aware of. There are no ways to sanely fight wars, and no sane ways to fight revolutions. There is no army that I could join, in order to fight against any other group, because they ALL look criminally insane to me. In order to have any political movement that I could identify with, that would have to stop being led by reactionary revolutionaries, who presented good analysis of the problems, then followed by bullshit "solutions." However, there are no such movements that I am aware of at the present time.
The Western world is dominated by its own criminally insane gangs, while the Islamic world is dominated by its kind of criminally insane gangs. NONE of them, and NO other socially dominate groups anywhere around the world that I am aware of, present any genuine progress in coming to terms with developments of things like weapons of mass destruction. We continue to pump powers and capabilities that are trillions of times GREATER, headed towards becoming quadrillions of times GREATER STILL, into social pyramid systems based on being able to back up lies with violence.
In the Western world, that is the banksters having developed globalized systems of electronic monkey money, which frauds are backed up by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs. Islamic countries are rushing towards being able to do similar things, but through their own kinds of psychotic bullshit, known as Islam, rather than through the psychotic bullies' bullshit known as the Jewish and Christian traditions, which morphed into being camouflage for the development of the banksters' bullshit.
I promote the views that we should go through a series of intellectual scientific revolutions, that apply to political science, in order to we MIGHT be able to adapt to having developed weapons of mass destruction, etc. ... However, in order to do that, those kinds of revolutions in the philosophy of science are so profound that they make all previous paradigm shifts in physics and biology look the child's play by comparison. The primary conclusions of thinking about human civilizations as manifestations of general energy systems are that those correspond to the principles and methods of organized crime.
In that context, of course, the Western world is dominated by its own best organized gangsters, the banksters, who have promoted their kinds of bullshit, and have been advancing their overall agenda of DEBT SLAVERY BACKED BY WARS BASED ON DECEITS. However, Islam has also always been systems of lies backed by violence too. Hence, the so-called clash of cultures is due to them being superficially different, while actually fundamentally the same. All of the significant politics happening in the world today boils down to conflicts between different organized crime gangs, using the methods of organized crime against each other. The only things that appear to be superficially different are that whomever was the best at doing that during the history of their own society, in their own regions, are now the dominate organized crime gangs there, which are most able to promote their own versions of bullshit about how they are the "good guys," while the others are the "bad guys."
I WISH that there was some group of "good guys," whose side I could support. However, not only are there none that I can see, there also are theoretical principles to think that it is impossible for there to actually be any "good guys," rather than only different groups of "bad guys." Meanwhile, we have collectively sailed way, way up shit creek without a paddle, due to progress in science and technology primarily being applied through social pyramid systems based on backing up lies with violence.
As far as I can tell, ALL of the socially significant religions and ideologies that I am aware of are BULLSHIT. There is nothing but different gangs of criminals, promoting their own kinds of bullshit, while enforcing their kinds of bullshit through their kinds of bullies. In my view, the ONLY connection between human laws and natural laws is the ability to back up lies with violence. The Western world has developed its systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, while the Islamic world has done similar things, although still done in more old-fashioned ways.
Thus, my overview is that, while what the Turkish President and Prime Minister stated may well be correct enough, they continue to be classic reactionary revolutionaries, who provide some relatively good analysis of the facts, only to then collapse back to bullshit "solutions," because, of course, they refuse to recognize that Islam itself is just another system of organized crime, basically similar to the systems of organized crime that dominate the Western world.
Long ago, I already accepted the tragic facts, that the human species appears to have sailed way, way up shit creek, without any paddle. The ONLY theoretically possible ways to cope with the development of weapons of mass destruction is to radically transform the ways that we perceive and deal with political problems. Ideally, that would take the dominate organized crime gangs negotiating better with each other in good faith. However, since none of them are able and willing to admit the basic social facts that they are ALL organized crime gangs, based on backing up lies with violence, therefore, any such saner negotiations appear to be practically impossible.
The only things that we actually appear to be able to do is to wait and watch, as the psychotic conflicts between the dominant organized crime gangs become even more psychotic. At the present time, the most probable future appears to be that the human species is collectively preparing to commit suicide, due to the degree that they are so totally dominated by established systems of backing lies with violence, and enforcing frauds, that they can not adapt to any more radical truths about themselves and their actual predicament.
Erdogan and his government are Islamist. There is a barely visible veneer of Western-ness that is increasingly ineffective. People in Turkey say this, too, and many are alarmed. There is no religious freedom in Turkey. You could not pay me enough to liverthere, and I will never visit again.
Careful with labels. Turkey is Ottoman. Islamist the way Iran is Islamist...
I dont think the French like the idea of rely on Turkey for gas delivery.
The signs on turkish buses read
"Please step up to the driver's rear"
Sour Kraut?
These bold comments lead me to think that Turkey is beginning to look Eastward in their alliances and drifting toward Moscow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_yKah-zln8
Israeli students paid to post pro-Israeli propaganda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nW1A6r3jgo
No trial required. Any last words? Cigarette? Blindfold?
Ready..... Aim..... Fire
An jews want some holy body parts from a wretched old bastard?
I see positive signs here and there. To be sure, all "leaders" are human predators. However, the more they squabble with each other, the less time, effort, attention and resources they have to mess with others.
Plus, the more open and direct accusations against the most evil human predators (like central banksters and other masters of propaganda and self-aggrandizement), the sooner the day will come when a larger minority starts to question their support for these predators.
This idiot when he was still minister of foreign affairs was stoking up things in Balkans by saying that the Ottoman empire was the best thing that had happened to the region and that that situation should be restored. Sure, that is why everybody was at everybody's throats in Yugoslavia in the 90s because of fond memories of Ottoman rule. Needless to say that many in the Balkans were not so happy with that remark.
No doubt we'll see some "Homegrown" insurgency in Turkey. It'll be "terrorism," and of course some variant of a "color revolution." Expressions of dissent from US Empire policy, anti-Israel sentiment, not falling in line with the various psy-ops, and above all else, cooperating with Russia. These guys might not have signed their own death warrants, but all the NGO's and other covert Fifth columns of US policy are going into overdrive to turn Turkey into the next dumpster fire on the perimeter of Russia and China, atop strategic resources and trade routes. Zbigniew Brzezinski's Grand Guignol jihad against Russia is going to go into high gear.
You might be interest to know...
Russia says it will shift gas transit from Ukraine to Turkeyhttp://www.euractiv.com/sections/energy/russia-says-it-will-shift-gas-tr...
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http://o-antonio-maria.blogspot.pt/2015/01/guerra-e-gas-2.html