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Ukraine President Signs Mobilization Decree: 50,000 To Be Drafted
And with a stroke of his pen, Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko signs a decree that mobilizes up to 50,000 "health men and women" aged 25 to 60 to the frontlines in Eastern Ukraine...
As UA Today reports, 50 000 servicemen will be drafted to the frontline in eastern Ukraine
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has issued a decree mobilising 50,000 servicemen to the frontline in eastern Ukraine.
Those eligible will receive notice papers calling them to service as soon as the Ukrainian parliament approves the measure.
The Ministry of Defense plans to draft healthy men and women, preferably with military experience. Tank operators, artillerymen, reconnaissance scouts and messengers aged 25 to 60 are in high demand.
Volodymyr Talalay, Major General: "We are not planning to draft untrained men for positions that require military efficiency. Military leaders are looking for those who have already been in the army or those who can serve within civilian professions."
Combat trainings for servicemen will take 10-15 days. Ministry of Defense officials say this timeframe is adequate to acquire combat skills and replace those soldiers who will be rotated out.
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and yet they are always the ones to come out unscathed.
dup
And I thought the Cuban Missile Crisis was scary!
2015 starting to look like 1914.
1939.
22 Februari 2014 (coup in Kiev) was the Franz Ferdinand moment of WWIII imho.
on the first day of the war half of the ukes army go surrender to the Russian side
If it goes anything like the bloody coup and it's aftermath that George Soros and pals funded that has resulted in over 15,000 deaths, 800,000 refugees fleeing to Russia and the looting of it's national banks which no longer have the means to pay it's junta backed soliders because the Country's"material wealth" now resides in Manhattan, Germany, Brussels and the Netherlands -I'd say Choco Jew and Yats will have their hands full and may have to pick up a helmet and AK-47 themselves to pitch in with the retention problems they've been having since last February!
I'd include "Mercs R' Us" like Academi, but many of them didn't make it home stateside after the first 4 months, and when you are responsible for overthrowing a democratically elected governement and replacing it with an illegitimate dictatorship the people that wind up killing you probably won't be too generous in alerting the Countries that sent them over to kill men women and children that they have the carefully preserved remains of their undeclared ready for "pickup"!...
Dare say that Erik Prince lost so many the price has gone up substantially from what his billable hourly rate was 10 months ago!
If I'm sorry but the Academi is fucked, see:
http://voenkor.info/content/5635
hehe.
I checked that link with google translate then went to home page and found out a nuclear reactor in south Ukraine is on fire.
Nuke On
SCOTTI has been on the phone to Yatz from the power stn " I cana giya any moa Cap'n, paya Fuck'n gas buill Cun"
50,000 * 1000 = $ 50,000,000.00 Not a bad nut to squirral away.
Just remember that WWIII is good for you. There's radiation in bananas.
TPTB- If we can just get a war started people won't notice how fucking incompetent we are. Let's get those dumbass Ukies to get it going. They would eat shit if we told them to.
They wait until after the Olympics in Greece and then Goldman Sachs puts on the squeeze.
They wait until after the Sochi Olympics and then the Ukraine melts down.
Timing is damn strange.Distraction for the public,and revenues for the media consortiums?
...I cant actually think of any quip to put here.
Its just sad.
Does Kiev know that the gas has been turned off?
Why 50000? That's how many it takes to push the last remaining Ukrainian tank to the front lines.
Cannon fodder......
You called?
No, Porky-shenko did.
This is like watching a mini version of WW2. The Nazi Ulraininas fighting the communist Russians. Lessons have not been learnt.
Operation Blitz-Krugman.
Probably need them to cut firewood to make up for their empty gas pipelines that Putin shut off today.
Wood is an excellent source of building material and fuel.
My boss was a Jewish carpenter.
The upcoming wave of mobilization will cover 50,000 men and women. Two more waves of mobilization are cheduled for 2015, one in April and another one in June. Since each wave is to last 60 days, the mobilization drive will begin on January, 20th and last through the end of July.
A separate draft will cover all men ages 18-25.
There will be blood.
Good luck with the Draft. I bet many will move back to Russia.
Such a waste of people's lives all over NATO/NWO/Dollar
If the young Ukes are lucky the dollar will crash before anyone gets killed.
Gotta wonder why they ar futher provoking Putin now. What is to be gained?
So couldn't find any volunteers, eh? Ukrainian Yute army will be drafted next.
Sad state of affairs when an asshole like Putin is about the only thing preventing a one world Zionist government.
Would you explain why you think Mr. Putin an asshole? Me,,, I don't know him, don't live under Russian law. He seems like a competent leader. His choices seem to usually benefit his people. We may not care for it but he is not our representative.
In my opinion this asshole may prevent an unnecessary nuclear war. If he does he has my deep hearted thanks!
If I got a draft notice from those dinks I'd join the rebels.
Since their gold is gone they can't pay for mercenaries.
The clown show in Kiev would be funny, if so many thousands of people were not being killed. The bitch Nuland, a neoconservative Zionist and her allies in Washington DC spent 5 billion of our tax dollars to foment ethnic hatred which gave form to the Eruo Maidan coup and the consequent fascist Junta who now rule as Washington DC's puppet government. The Junta pinned great hope on it's volunteer Nazi Battalions funded by Oligarchs. One in particular is an Israeli, not a Ukrainian, he returned to Ukraine after the Nulnad coup to take power again and use his stolen billions to fund the Nazi Guards Battalions.
The last three days the rebels have taken the Ukraine army and nazi battalions and beaten the shit out of them in half a dozen major encounter battles. Two days ago a large Ukie Army attack on Donestsk was thrown back with more than 5 tanks burnt and 8 armoured infantry vehicles burnt. In Peski, a mass artillery attack against the Ukrainian Army's largest artillery concentration shelling Donetsk, resulted in 200+ Ukrainian casualties and dozens of destroyed guns and rocket launchers, while at the airport, the elite commandos of the Ukrainian Army were assaulted and either killed or thrown out of the airport. Other battles also took place. It was a bad day for Kiev's Junta, and many American arms were captured at the Airport, as America now supplies Ukraine's special forces.
I expect this to continue and grow worse, as Kiev's Junta keeps throwing cannon fodder at the rebels, who are very competent soldiers and are now well equipped by a friendly Russia.
Obama is where the buch stops, he authorized the Coup on Maidan and paid for it. He ordered his puppet in Kiev to invade the east, and we Americans pay all the costs of this war, it comes from the CIA and Pentagon BLACK BUDGETS. Washington will keep sending money and arms, and the puppet in Kiev will draft cannon fodder and send them to die. While the lunatic Lvov Nazis hold tourch light parades in honor of Hitler and his Ukrainian allies in World War II.
If only most people in the US had a clue about any of this..........
Media Black Out. Total black out of news from Ukraine.
German press mostly silent as well.
taz.de keeps tabs
http://taz.de/Konflikt-in-der-Ukraine/152926/
antimaidans youtube got taken down too.
Nevertheless, the truth gets out, especially to the Europeans. It is an open secret in Europe that the USSA overthrew the Ukie government. Moreover, as the wars drags on, the Ukie's chances of winning keep diminishing. Without air support, the troops are inevitably destroyed by the brutally effective novo rossiyan artillery.
And if the Arty isn't enough, I am waiting for the Russian Thermobaric weapons to be deployed.
Check out the Buratino ( Pinochico ) Thermobaric system:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuyCZiI2f8U
A thermobaric weapon literally burns all of the oxygen in the immediate area, causing asphyxiation. This is the weapon system that is making the Ukies really shit themselves. When the Ukies know that that the Buratino is to be deployed, they will run like scalded dogs.
Latina - the other thing they will fear is - Chechens.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/12/ramzan-kadyrov-offers-putin-hi...
Chechnya's leader offered 20,000 volunteers. Apparently, some were involved in that other soros fiasco in Georgia. When the Georgians heard the Chechens were coming they fled in terror.
The whole thing is tragic. The Ukraine and Ukrainians are so poor. This just makes their lives even more miserable.
Fuck, the Chechens are worse that ISIS. Would not want to be facing those guys.
That is an easy idea to get "Wahooo." You are indeed right in your thoughts, if we are talking about the Saudi funded Chechen resistance movement. But Chechnya itself is ruled by Muslim moderates loyal to Russia. Chechnya has been rebuilt from the war, and the Muslim leaders have swept the Saudi radicals back and killed thousands of them. As soon a Saudi radical appears in Chechnya, the government police and special forces pounce on them. The Chechen republic of today is a very moderate open society. The Leaders have won a stunning victory against the Saudi and Western backed radical Chechen Jihadists. It is those people you have in mind I think. The media would never tell you the story of modern Chechnya, and it's victory over radical jihad. It can be researched on the internet if you have time. But you are right, Jihadi Chechens are the worst of the worst, BUT, these radicals have been defeated totally, and Chechnya is rebuilt as an true part of the Russian Federation. Islam is repected by government, but not allowed to foment Jihad, if any try, they are killed, captured of driven out. Putin and Chechnya's leader are in a very tight alliance against all radical Islamists. Chechen soldiers are loyal to the Russian Fereration and act as a direct arm of the Russian armed forces. Your mistake in identity is easy to make, and it took me some time to reseach and undestand today's Chechnya, compared to civil war times in the 90's.
Latina Lover,
It was this weapon you speak of that the Russian Federation used against the American and Saudi backed radical Islamic Chechen Jihadists of the 1990's civil war. It was one reason the Jihadists were totally and utterly defeated on the battle field. A weapon of this type is deployed by the USA and NATO as well, but by mutual agreement, I believe the Russian Federation and NATO have talked about an under the table agreement to never deploy it, as once one side does the other will respond. No troops could survuve a battle field where these weapons were being deployed in battle. Russia also has a scaled up version, deployable by a large aircraft that equals a nuclear weapons effects. The USA has such a bomb too, but Russias is 1/3 the size of the US weapon, and twice as powerful. Russia is far ahead in the technology of this weapon, and the USA knows it. Big talk in Washington cools down at the prospect of NATO attacking a defensive Russia army. To awful to contemplate for NATO. 100,000's of KIA in a week would result, NATO's entire army would defect or surrender or run away. AND, as a veteran myself, I would not blame them one bit. Who wants to die for Zionism on a battle field in Europe, for the cause of making Zionist Ukrainian Oligarchs even richer, and building bigger palaces in West Bank Israel!
"All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts. A British Tory will defend self-determination in Europe and oppose it in India with no feeling of inconsistency. Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage — torture, the use of hostages, forced labor, mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the bombing of civilians — which does not change its moral color when it is committed by 'our' side . . . The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."
~ George Orwell, Notes on Nationalism
Thank you.
I gotta ask.....where do you get your info?
https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine
http://www.colonelcassad.livejournal.com/ and use yandex translate.
Jack - I don't get the impression that Russia is providing that much in the way of weapons to NovoRussia-DPR-militia. They joke that most of the equipment they get is when the Ukrainian Army abandons it. Alot of tanks are abandoned and I bet they either break down or run out of fuel.
I think a lot of the conscripts just quit and leave their stuff. It is a shame that the soldiers of the north and south USA did not do that back in 1861.
By 1863 the poor whites conscripted into the sesessionist army were doing just that. By 1864 Jefferson Davis was complaining that the number of missing soldiers was larger than the number in the ranks. The final blow to the rebellion was the North sending batallions of black soldiers into battle - terrifying to the rebels because they were utterly "fanatical", meaning they understood with a deep personal urgency that they were fighting for their freedom and what that meant, and would rather die than lose.
The movie "Glory" captures a piece of this story quite well.
The outcome of the battle will likely be ultimately determined by whose troops would rather die than loose. In Vietnam the US probably killed 1 million "enemy combattants", mostly ordinary people motivated by patriotism and hatred of colonialism, at first mostly volunteers, who picked up a gun and went into a most unequal battle with a vastly technically superior foe ready to die, while the US troops complained bitterly about how useless their well-equipped Vietnamise "allies" were; good for burning villages and torturing prisoners but not much else. We know the outcome.
That said, we can expect this round to produce some nerve-wracking moments, and the outcome is not guaranteed. The biggest question geopolitically is whether the Russians can be forced to enter directly to rescue the Donbass Republics, and that is unknown also. The Ukraine Army of last July was equipped with 70's and 80's technology. The US has been re-equipping them, and the Empire is heavily invested in technological solutions to political problems. We can expect the next attack to include heavy use of DU ordinance, battlefield drones and robots, pain rays, chemical weapons and heavily armored death squads dropped behind patriot lines. All overseen by US "advisors".
Also, we can expect biological weapons and anything else that would sow terror in the civilian population. An Ebola outbreak in Donetsk for example shouldn't surprise us - the world has been well prepped to be terrified of this horrifying and "mysterious" but actually well-understood and weaponized virus. (Thanks Tyler for keeping us up to date on it!)
A meltdown of the nuclear power reactors south of Dnepopetrovsk when the wind is from the southwest is an obvious move. Added benefit: forcing the evacuation of Rostov-on-Don, population 1 million, and doing nothing to contain it would present Russia with a huge provocation. (Again, thanks Tyler!)
NaZis and their CIA-bot heirs have a bad rep for a reason. We can expect them to live up to it.
That's one quick way to remove all the Russians from the western parts of Ukraine.
After what happened today in Switzerland I doubt Ukraine will ever get any monetary help.
50,000 future deserters.
It's a shit show alright, if i was a 25-60 year old, i would be quietly creeping out to the Polish border tonight, because when those 50k are dead, it will be mandatory conscription for the next 50k.
Who is the mystery man not seen sitting side by side with Poroshenko and Yats in their quest to confront the Russian Federation and ignite a European war? It’s Benjamin Netanyahu who has played a key role in the western bankers assault on an elected government in Ukraine and after a coup consistently arming, lying and killing their way to push a banker puppet state all the way to the Russian border.
Israel, in fact, it has been revealed has a secret plan for a reverse migration of Jewish settlers to Ukraine to establish a second Jewish homeland in the Ukraine and Crimea; the settlers from communities beyond the settlement block.
The Jews (Poroshenko and Yats) have a colleague in Netanyahu who has made it clear that the historic connection of the Khazars - a warlike Turkic people who converted to Judaism and ruled over a vast domain in what later became southern Russia and Ukraine – gives the Jews an inherited right to Ukraine. The intended result is the transfer of willing Jewish settlers to Ukraine.
it is obvious that Netanyahu has the influence with the western assault on Russia when you see the total impact that the Zionists have in marshalling the U.S. Congress and the Obama Administration to use CIA, IMF and NATO mechanisms to push this undeclared war against Russia.
This comes, according to The Times of Israel in March, “after a blue-ribbon team of scholars from leading research institutions and museums has just issued a secret report to the government, acknowledging that European Jews are in fact Khazars.”
Speaking off the record, an aide to Netanyahu explained, “The Ukrainian invitation for the Jews to return was a godsend. Relocating all the settlers within Israel in a short time would be difficult for reasons of logistics and economics. We certainly don’t want another fashlan like the expulsion of the settlers in the Gaza Hitnatkut [disengagement].
Reports the Times, a well-placed source in intelligence circles said: “We’re not talking about all the Ashkenazi Jews going back to Ukraine. Obviously that is not practical. The press as usual exaggerates and sensationalizes; this is why we need military censorship.”
Khazaria 2.0?
In its March article, the Times notes that “all Jews who wish to return would be welcomed back without condition as citizens, the more so if they take part in the promised infusion of massive Israeli military assistance, including troops, equipment, and construction of new bases. If the initial transfer works, other West Bank settlers would be encouraged to relocate to Ukraine, as well. After Ukraine, bolstered by this support, reestablishes control over all its territory, the current Autonomous Republic of Crimea would once again become an autonomous Jewish domain. The small-scale successor to the medieval empire of Khazaria (as the peninsula, too, was once known) would be called, in Yiddish, Chazerai.”
“As you know,” the spokesman continued, “the Prime Minister has said time and again: we are a proud and ancient people whose history here goes back 4,000 years. The same is true of the Khazars: just back in Europe and not quite as long. …
“As the Prime Minister has said, no one will tell Jews where they may or may not live on the historic territory of their existence as a sovereign people. He is willing to make painful sacrifices for peace, even if that means giving up part of our biblical homeland in Judea and Samaria. But then you have to expect us to exercise our historical rights somewhere else. We decided this will be on the shores of the Black Sea, where we were an autochthonous people for more than 2000 years. Even the great non-Zionist historian Simon Dubnow said we had the right to colonize Crimea. It’s in all the history books. You can look it up.”
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/leaked-report-israel-acknowledges-jews-in-fact-khazars-secret-plan-for-reverse-migration-to-ukraine/
Update March 17:
Latest reports, including Vladimir Putin’s recognition of Crimea as a “sovereign and independent state,” and the estimate that relocation of Israeli settlers in any peace agreement would cost $10 billion, confirm the details of the above story. Ed.
I have read this storyline elsewhere, though not from the Times of Israel.
I don't believe it will be considered seriously by anybody in Israel. You can bet that the "brown shirts" in Lviv won't let it happen either.
The children of Russians who immigrated to Israel are the most likely pool from which the "Khazerian Pioneers" would be taken. But their family roots extend to many parts of Russia and other former SSRs. It would take a lot of false propaganda, persuasions and money in order to get more than a handfull to go for it. But those who take the chance will be slotted into the best opportunities for commercial and political success.
If ever the settlers lose control over Israeli occupied territory, they are going to go back to America from where about half of them came in the first place. Most of the other half of settlers come from Russia. I bet most of them will try to get to America as well.
I am amazed, are Ukrainians such warmongers, or is Kiev being blackmailed into doing this? Their economy has all but collapsed and they are pouring resources into war, where is the logic? That's the last thing to spend on if you are short of money. War is for rich people who want more.
They not only don't have economy, they don't have an army anymore.
http://dlyakota.ru/42801-samodelnye-ukrainskie-broneviki-sobrannye-iz-me...
I guess, this mobilization is a smoke curtain to covertly involve a massive invasion of foreign mercenaries
add to that the very high rate of Vodka drinking while on duty-and you have a YouTube video-i have seen but dont remember the name of ,where a Ukraine tank stopped by a liquor store, soldiers jumped out, purchased a few litres, then proceeded to put the tank in forward, instead of reverse and crashed right through the store. It was covered up, but not too late for YT
Porky takes orders from Washington. He will call a 5th, 6th, 7th, etc. wave of Ukrainian cannon fodder to accomplish US NeoCon geopolitical objectives.
Didn't George Soros just stop by Kiev a couple days ago?
Probably swept through their vaults licking up Gold dust and loose change.
Soon there will be many types of Credit, Debt, parasitic Vultures all over.
Bet they will be cutting land and property deals...to skeedaddle out of Ukeville.
Porcula dgas about Ukrainians. He likes money. More than he likes breathing.
Pacifists spread this "motivation" video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXeGknzW4uU
This tragic!! 15 days to get enlisted, assigned, equipped, organized, and "refreshed" (We can't call it "training")?? Then off to the front!
Somebody stop them! The Israelis, the NeoCons, the Mercenaries -anybody- just stop them from doing this.
I would expect 10% casualties during the first engagement and another 20% within the first week of frontline duty.
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I would expect at least 20% casualties getting from their domicile to the training base.
More Loo paper!!
Typical political coward and evil.
The first one I would shoot if they gave me a gun in the Ukraine is him if I were one of those 'drafted'.
This is a good reason why central governments may have to go. No one should have the power to draft.
Where can I mail my old movie poster? It would be a good nuff rallying cry for them East Ukes.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/Suppose_They_Gave_a_War_an...
No amount of Goy will be spared in Israel's desire for Lebensraum in Syria.
The banksters need to repay us.
This shit would stop right quick if every parent of every child the warmongers wanted to take for cannon fodder killed those that came for their children--The two war concept.
That'll happen soon enough.
Axis War Pig-Banksters need the peasants to walk into the meat grinder.
So when is Hunter Biden heading in for duty?
http://youtu.be/0bDY0DfEjmo
NEWS FLASH:
Poroshenko ramps up Ukranian "goat rodeo" war effort.
Cut to Slim Pickens riding the H-Bomb rodeo style in "Doctor Strangelove".
RIDE 'EM COWBOY!!!
Rotated out?
Why doesn't that Hebrew cunt, Nudelman, and all her ilk at the State Department and various NGOs/think tanks get up to the front line and put a face on their PNAC or whatever the fuck they want to call their diseased plans to crappify the planet.
"In our country there is room only for the Jews. We shall say to the Arabs: Get out! If they don't agree, if they resist, we shall drive them out by force."
--Professor Ben-Zion Dinur Israel's First Minister of Education, 1954 from History of the Haganah
All the crappification paid for, as in Ukraine, by the American taxpayer.
Swedish FM ‘not welcome’ for official Israel visit
Israel said Thursday that Sweden’s foreign minister was not welcome for an official visit in the country, AFP reported. Foreign Minister Margot Wallstrom last week postponed a trip to Israel indefinitely, with media reports saying that her Israeli counterpart, Avigdor Lieberman, did not want to meet her. Relations between the two states deteriorated after Sweden’s new government in October decided to recognize the state of Palestine.
http://rt.com/news/line/2015-01-15/#78971
+1 for Sweden
"Form an orderly queue, rifle tin hat cookies.. rifle tin hat cookies.."
When those Kiev boys can't get the job done for me, the American boys aged between 18 and 64 need to be drafted. Perhaps that is what on Soro's mind.
The writing is on the wall. Get the fuck out when you still can.
The start of mass migration of Ukrainian across border to EU will start now... How can draftees be better than professional soldiers. This is a yesteryear move of a desperate country...
ukranians need visas to go to EU
The venality of Western leaders interference in Ukraine does not transform the Kremlin into Willy Wonka's chocolate factory.
If the new Russian imperialists are allowed to expand their territory by means of Stalin's violent exterminations in Ukraine and Georgia, where does it stop? Ukraine? Estonia? Latvia? Lithuania? They all have considerable Russian populations. Estonia has already made accusations of Russian incursions and FSB interference in internal affairs. The Russians have even gone so far as to issue passports to individuals of Russian decent in the Baltic states.
Recent events in Western Europe are creating a cultural backlash against those who would make their countries into something they are not. The nations of Eastern Europe are just as entitled to maintain their cultural and territorial integrity.
How are Russian claims to territories of sovereign independent states just because Russians live there any different than German claims to the Sudetenland or the Polish corridor? Look at the chaos tolerating Islamic "no go" zones has gotten France. Should we allow Dearborn Michigan to declare its independence simply because they might vote for it?
Putin's claims of no Russian troops involved in Ukraine are no more credible that Hitler's claims that his territorial ambitions ended with Austria, the Sudetenland or Danzig.
Funny that you should mention Willy Wonka's chocolate factory since Poroshenko ran a chocolate factory which got him the nickname the Chocoligarch. He should identify with Willy Wonka and be afraid that outsiders want to steal his 'chocolate' namely being fertile agricultural land and gas reserves. Cause that is what is going on in Ukraine. It is a garage sale in Ukraine right now. They already took the gold.
Are you one of those pro Kiev trolls with only several weeks on ZH? We see many of those here lately. Keep amusing us though (and no, I am not a Putin fan).
Take your 21 weeks and gas yourself.
so this guy is getting all this flak for... what? do you all disagree on his "The nations of Eastern Europe are just as entitled to maintain their cultural and territorial integrity.", for example?
did usa consider it before going for regime change .
that's not an answer to my question, I'm afraid
Oh, so now it's territorial integrity?
What ever happened to self-determination?
You know, like that Serbia-Kosovo thingie.
in which sense is one example relevant for the other? self-determination? you have to pull it off, don't you? sovereignty is not something the fairies bestow on you
in which sense is one example relevant for the other?
It's called precedent.
self-determination? you have to pull it off, don't you?
Correct...and the good people of Donbass are pulling it off.
sovereignty is not something the fairies bestow on you
Correct again...but fairies do help...by sending you weapons (Donbass)...or bombing your adversaries (Kosovo)...or protecting your ballot boxes from a hostile government (Crimea).
precedent is a fine thing. very, very important in the so called Common Law. which I find interesting, but I find it's having a hard time. I prefer the other system, to be frank
and this includes a negotiated settlement, which I'd prefer to have asap
Agreed on both accounts.
But first we need unambiguous set of rules (for everyone) and well defined instuments to uphold them.
Forgive me if I sound sceptical 'BUT' If Poro and Yatz are calling up 50.000 conscripts, then I assume that negotiations have fallen through.
...and what is this cultural integrity you speak of?
Is that like killing, expelling and/or subjugating everyone that is culturally different?
some of the current madness in Ukraine started with too little tolerance for languages, didn't it?
Exactly.
However, language was just an exposed manifestation of some deeper problems.
can't say I disagree with you
I just can't understand why these nationalists are so happy to engage with the anti-nationalist EU, just to get out of reach of this nationalist Putin which is thought to endanger their nationalism.
interesting. why do you think that the EU is "anti-nationalist"? instead of a club of nations?
Aren't at least some of their leaders (prominent ones, preferably) yelling against nationalism and populism, especially if it's outside of EU or in the opposition?
On the other hand: What's nationalism anyways? Having a border at a desgnated place or the feel of beeing bound to some folk or region and the will to defend that (somehow like patriotism)? What I do see is that several countries within the EU are losing their soul, they're looking and feeling more and more equal/indifferent and I don't think it's going into the good direction.
I don't see your point and I lack an understanding of your perspective. Nationalism has many faces, and not all Nations resemble each other in key points
Hmmm, I do think that the EU is anti-nationalist. But then they expect everybody in the EU to be EU-nationalistic. A bit odd.
and what is that "EU-nationalism" supposed to be? it does not lessen the French-ness of the French or the German-ness of the Germans, for example
we don't speak "European", we don't have an European Navy, Army, AirForce, Police, Intelligence or Secret Service
if we are anything, it's a confederation, which isn't the same at all as a federation
Well, it is not about what we are but what our beloved (...) EU leaders want us to be. They are very much pushing a federation. You say the EU is a confederation but statements lately regarding Greece is that the EU is like Hotel California: you can check out any time you like but you can never leave...
I would like the EU to be a confederation of European countries that are devoted to eachother but a federation goes a little too far for my taste.
You are wrong. it's a CON-federation.
Hi Ghordius.
Go ask that question in former Yugoslavia. They apparently were not allowed to stay together and 'maintain their cultural and territorial integrity'. First SFRY got dismembered and then Serbia (then still FRY) lost Kosovo. So if any of these minorities had the right to secede, why don't have the Russians in Ukraine? Funny also that everybody in YU was allowed to leave -although that was against international law- except for the Serbs in Croatia and the Serbs in Bosnia (and please don't use the 'human intervention argument' or 'ethnic cleasing' argument because who got ethnically cleansed from ancenstrial lands in the end were the Serbs).
That is the problem: the application of double standards.
I agree on the problem of the application of double standards. nice avatar, btw
Thanks. I was getting bored with that bag over my head. But I might change into something new soon.
RE Dearborn
I would guess that is what the definition of self determination is if someone chooses to leave they can unless you think that you posess the power to keep someon against their will. This thought process surely defines "American freedom" the power to be kept in a system that is destructive to you against your will.
How about American troops or American mercenaries in the Ukraine is bathhouse Barry going to admit to that? Let me guess
USA,USA,USA!
Those fuckers in Kiev who send ordinary people to die sit in their warm office, having some hookers and coke at night.
I really hope these man know better than joining these kleptokrats army.
Fighting own people this is just disgusting.
let's see how this works. methinks there will be an influx of refugees into RU.
let's see no food, no barracks, no munitions, no training. cannon fodder.
kolomosky must be happy
Spring offensive approaching. This will not end well.
The Jews can conscript 500000
it doesn't matter.
Ukrainians do not want to fight against each other.
Only NATO and American and Polish fascists are ready to fight alongside with the Bandera-fascists.
Last two days have been disastrous for Ua "Army".
Eating MREs with dentures......who knew?
Je suis Charlie
Ukrainians the solution is quite simple.
You are now trapped, you have two clear choices one is certain death the other offers a slight chance. That option is throw off your government and expel its foreign puppet masters.
ill bet 49,999 will describe themselves as gay and having HIV....seriously many mothers wait for the mailman, intercept the notices and burn them
It is funny how in all those 'free' so called democracies including the USA they can force a person into the ultimate slavery the 'draft' which is has cost many innocents' lives for political grand standing.
If Crimea wants to be with Russia and Russia wants Crimea, let them. No piece of land is worth draft.
They will surrender, defect or die.
This is called a Civil War.
Thanks banksters.
I seem to have woken up in 1939, would somebody help me?
Just read somewhere that the Nazis in Ukraine have just signed a draft to mobilize 50,000 ordinary people to go fight at the front lines against the Soviet Army?
I dreamt last night that I was living in the 21st Century, where everybody had a smart phone and microwave, military technology had reached its peak, the Russian Army was at its highest state of readiness, and war had little point but to destroy serfdom in the most efficient, cheap and fastest way possible?
Oh, I guess it was just a bad dream, I’ll go out and milk the cow, and try to relax!
Central governments are the plague of the last 100 years. Think of all the deaths caused by the wars over markets, ideology, religion and empires over the last century. If they were counted as disease deaths then the WHO and CDC would have programs to help eradicate it.
60? Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Want some young mexicans?
The one with the rifle shoots. When the one with the rifle gets killed, the other one picks it up and shoots.
All those deserters will be a big headache for Russia
When the US comes a-calling, they leave nothing but death and rubble.
Little understood by mainstream economists, businessmen, politicians or media organizations is that social mood causes social action, not the other way around. I try to talk about this fact as often as possible because it is contrary to the way most of society believes things occur. For instance, people don’t get fearful and angry because war breaks out, war breaks out because people are already fearful and angry. That is no small distinction.
http://www.globaldeflationnews.com/negative-social-mood-causes-geopoliti...
50,000 is just for the latest mobilization. There were 3 before this one. How many more?
Dear Ukrainians your government is going to train and arm you and equip you. Once they do turn on them and put your training and your new arms to good use
sorry dbl post
Why 25 to 60? Better to make it 18-25.