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Is This Why Elizabeth Warren Isn't Running For President?
Like her or hate her, Elizabeth Warren this week unequivocally told Fortune's Sheila Bair "No," she would not run for President, reflecting that for a Democratic nominee to win, "they need to speak to America’s families about the economic crisis in this country. It starts with the recognition that Washington works for the rich and powerful and not for America’s families." We bring this up, since, as OpenSecrets reports, despite her reputation as an anti-Wall Street populist, Warren would have been the wealthiest of the potential 2016 presidential candidates currently serving in Congress.
Via Forbes,
So are you going to run for President?
No.
What does the Democratic nominee need to do to win in 2016?
They need to speak to America’s families about the economic crisis in this country. It starts with the recognition that Washington works for the rich and powerful and not for America’s families.
But Why?
Perhaps this is the reason... (via Open Secrets)
Despite her reputation as an anti-Wall Street populist, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) is the wealthiest of the potential 2016 presidential candidates currently serving in Congress, with an estimated net worth of $6.7 million as of Dec. 31, 2013.
Four other current members are weighing runs: Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), Rand Paul (R-Ky.), Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). Vice President Joe Biden, technically a member of the Senate, is also thought to be mulling over a bid for the Oval Office.
Former Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.), who left the Senate in 2012, became the first to officially join the Democratic field when he launched an exploratory committee in November.
Based on his 2012 annual report, Webb is the second wealthiest of the group with an estimated net worth of $4.6 million.
Of those seven possible candidates, four are millionaires — something that has become the norm in today’s Congress.
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Cruz is the wealthiest Republican potential White House hopeful who’s now in Congress, with a 2013 estimated net worth of $3.2 million.
Paul, a former practicing ophthalmologist, is also likely a millionaire — his net worth was estimated at $1.3 million in 2013.
As for the remaining three, Biden, Rubio and Sanders were worth an estimated $543,000, $444,000 and $331,000 respectively in 2013, according to their financial disclosures.
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According to Center for Responsive Politics research, the average estimated net worth for members of Congress was more than $1 million in 2013.
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Something starts to change in America?
Where is Billary on that chart? Oh yeah, they are "poor".
As a staunch liberal, I strongly believe that Warren would be a fantastic VP candidate for Dear Leader Obama's 3rd reic...term.
the lady been stackin specie since way back when
that stuff builds up
Are we honestly supposed to believe Biden is worth less than a million? Even IF he wasn't involved in shady insider deals his whole life, you don't make senator pay and not have a million dollars unless you are a complete ducking idiot. Oh, wait.....nevermind.
The mob doesn't keep their finances public.
Are we supposed to believe he doesn't even own a home? Most have two, one in their district and one in DC. Or else he has a really bad habit...
ANNDDD Sen Warren is a staunch liberal supporter of the great chosen state of Israel just like me! She's such a dreamy candidate...
Net worth of Congress critters $1.1M??? What lunacy. Their health and retirement plans are worth $5M alone. Their goodwill and access to the halls of Congress are worth $15M.
Poor Bernie!
Maybe I should offer him my cargo van as a place to sleep.
You've gotta pay the Court Jester for the laughs, or that knee-slappin' hilarity stops!
A fool and his money....
Elizabeth Warren is not running because to be the CEO of a corporation sole you have to be related to the family ,and she is not . From 1871 to present they have all been related to the royal (German, not now) family. Please can any one figure that out if not we are fucked.
Warren has in the past rallied against predatory banks and heartless foreclosures but that didn’t stop her using the controversial tactics to make fortunes. She loaned money to relatives at high interest rates and paid bargain prices for foreclosed properties which she flipped and gained between 10 and 73 per cent on her sales, netting hefty profits.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153832/Elizabeth-Warren-accused...
Warren, who berates factory owners, obtained fee waivers for access to the bankruptcy docket maintained by the federal PACER system, for which others have to pay. Warren’s bankruptcy docket research has contributed at least indirectly to her vast money-making empire.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/10/elizabeth-warren-obtained-federal-f...
Great work, seminal1!
You da man!
he remaining three, Biden, Rubio and Sanders were worth an estimated $543,000, $444,000 and $331,000
I DO NOT BELIEVE THOSE NUMBERS.
I don't either -I'm sure Biden (or his close family) have tens of millions they have not reported.
Sanders is wealthy---look up the networth of his wife and the golden parachute she got after working as a President of Burlington College and the sweetheart deal his daughter had---champaign socialist.
I'm with you guys, in not believing those numbers.
I think we need to waterboard those motherfukkers and get the truth!
Forget getting at the truth...just waterboard them for the lulz!
I wish I could upvote this times infinity
Forget getting at the truth...just waterboard them for the lulz!
Guter Gott, nicht eine andere limousinen sozialistischen!
FORWARD KONZENTRATIONSLAGER!
Biden's son spends that much per year on dope.
ALL of those numbers are COMPLETE BULL SHIT. Furthermore, having ex Senator Webb on this list, while excluding ex Senator Clinton, wih her hundreds of millions, shows the list is crap. Who came up with this pos list, Ready of Hillary?
The list is a joke. Biden has to worth ten times that or even more. Multi millions for sure.
I was wondering how they calculate that. Many of us here are worth those numbers. If your house is paid and you have a retirement account and any kind of savings at all--Boom. Those numbers are absurd. Some shit is hidden.
Warren, love her or hate her, is not hiding her shit well enough, which means she is not crook enough, yet.
sanders is a socialist so he took a vow of poverty. the number for him is probably exagerated.
LOL - forgot the /sarc tag hopefully. If not..........wow..........
I believe Warren is a fraud, even though she acts like she's anti-banker. I don't trust anyone in national office, and all I've seen from Warren is flapping gums with no results, like all of the would-be "Peoples' candidates." But this chart is also misleading. It is limited to potential Presidential candidates who are currently members of Congress. This excludes succubi like Romney and Clinton.
The fact is that you need to be wealthy or attached to the cock of a wealthy banker group to take a serious shot at a run for President. Which is why I am no longer voting, period.
Exactly. let me see the clinton's estate motherfucker.
What the fuck is this minor league baseball shit?
WTF, is this fight club or not?
dumbasses.
Good.
I believe Warren is a fraud, even though she acts like she's anti-banker.
I think you're onto something, Rand. She's a little too slick... kinda like President Zero.
I'd be happy to not have ANY fucking president, for awhile.
Such a disgusting bunch we've had. Most of the candidates promise us more of the same.
I do think Bernie is a man of integrity.... while quite delusional.
When informed adults speak the way the ZHers do, here, it hints of a nation on the verge of a military coup.
Liz Warren and Karen Hudes get my vote.
Liz and Karen have exposed bank corruption, and Karen has made much progress toward replacing FRN's with physical gold in the hands of working people globally, on the premise that gold in the hands of workers puts the power of money into the hands of the working people who earn it.
With gold in circulation as money, banks become unnecessary.
http://professorfekete.com/articles/AEFMonEcon101Lecture2.pdf
Of course these two brave souls cannot accomplish these goals alone; they need our support. If you support their efforts, show it in action.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Twitter1.15.15.pdf
she may be, but I would take my chance on her if there were no really good choices. Who are you going to vote for instead? Hillary or Jeb?
Dems had 2 good choices in 2008 in the primary -Kucinich and Gravel - true liberals who were not owned by Wall Street - despite this, every democrat I know told me they had to vote for either Hillary or Obama - because they raised the money, so the others could not win. Most so-called "informed" democrats are idiots. Same for Republicans who declined to support Ron Paul -in large part for the same reason.
It is academic because she's not running, but I would not vote for her based on what I've observed so far. I would have voted for Kucinich, and I did vote for Ron Paul. I would not vote for Rand Paul or Ted Cruz. I am not 100% convinced Warren is a fraud like Rand and Ted, but her lack of results suggests it.
Ya I disagree with kucinech on a lot of things, mostly on what exactly is the proper role of govt(if any) but if I was going to vote for any of them other than RP it would be him. Ending all these senseless wars and ending the fed would be a great start.
We all want a real man like Dennis. (Compare Mitch and John....)
But we cannot have Dennis.
Dennis would not be allowed to be Pres.
Dennis must take power by force - and he won't.
Nor would Warren be allowed to win election - she's outside the loop and can't be trusted by the insiders who run things. (I suspect that she doesn't truly know what the insiders are doing or why they doing it.)
You left out that voting for Obama part.
;-)
I did vote for Ron Paul. I would not vote for Rand Paul or Ted Cruz.
Huh.... really?
As you correctly point out, such a list is fucking irrelevant unless you include everyone on the planet!!!!!!!!
you think "Liz" is wealthy?
LOL!
"I believe Warren is a fraud"
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Well, duh...
Why do you think she's called Fauxcahontas?
That issue is so far off my radar that it may as well be in deep space. I care more about what she has accomplished so far, which is nothing but gum flapping. But whatever floats your ideological boat.
Not to pick old scabs (oh what the hell, lets...lol) you did defend the "You didn't build that!" comment that O'Barry plagarized from Warren.
Her lying like that is pretty bad. It just speaks to her character.
"Not to pick old scabs (oh what the hell, lets...lol) you did defend the "You didn't build that!" comment that O'Barry plagarized from Warren."
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Unfortunately, like all uber Libs...
LTER Rule No. 1...
You're not allowed to remind him of things he as said in the past that may come back to haunt him.
When accomplishments are based on lies most of us care, says a WHOLE FUCKING LOT about character.
Yeah, your type is quick to blow off lies when they come from someone with a (D) behind their name.
If it's an (R), you'd challenge what they had for breakfast.
Ron Paul had an (R), asshole.
In MA we call her "Liarwatha"
how up power is generated by $6mil. that is chump change, to politicions in the pocket of the banksters. go look up her back ground. she does not pull punches on the financial hearing. she is our best champion in congress currently. name anyone in congress who is exposing the corruption of our polical system. she was very active in exposing the cromnibus bill the night they tried to sweep the bail out clause.
a chart of all congress persons wealth will tell you where her wealth stands relative to her peers.
just because she stated she will not run for congress and that she thinks a DEMOCRATE needs to voice the corruption of politics by wealth ( she is talking billions not millions ) to win, does not mean there is correlation there.
ZP, when, and only when, I see any of them fight to the death, on the Congressional Floor, will I ever use the word "champion" in the same sentence with those POSs!
The Fatal Knife Fight | Old State House Museum of Arkansas History
Eat-Rand wrote "I believe Warren is a fraud, even though she acts like she's anti-banker."
This is of course what we're all wondering. She certainly is saying a lot of the right things and seemingly making the right enemies. Her wealth may make it harder for her to truly be in touch with the reality of the rest of us, but FDR's much greater wealth didn't stop him from taking on the Robber Barons and international bankers - earning their undying enmity as a class traitor - and unleashing the power of an organized people.
I am more concerned with her votes (and Sanders' for that matter) on Iran sanctions, defending Israel and demonizing and waging economic war on Russia. In the past I might have dismissed these votes as a side issue to the larger one of awakening the American people and leading us in a fight to take our country back from the interventionists and banksters. But now, after the Obama experience and everything we've learned about how power really operates, I think them far from irrelevant to determining just who she really is and who she really represents.
We can't afford another false prophet. I'm still watching.
Pocohantas made a whole lot of money from house flipping foreclosures that her brother set up. Then, while drawing the university salary, she "consulted" with those no good rip off insurance companies on how to screw people out of benefits. Cheek bones made it all possible. As big if not bigger fraud as Obammie.
Webb likely made his own from the books.
Webb was SecNav. Which means he made money as a "consultant" to defense contractors.
Interesting comments Augustus. Do say how you feel about Romney then? Or arent we talking about that now? lol
Yeah. I bet they eat with food stamps.
"Where is Billary on that chart? Oh yeah, they are "poor"."
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Yep, remember she once even tried to take a tax deduction...
For ol' Slick's used (brown-slicked) underwear.
I don't care what is Warren's net worth as long as she walks the walk like FDR did.
JEB BUSH FOR PREZ BABY YEAH!
and that is a huge /sarc
you are nuts or completely ignorant. Like his father and brother, he belongs in a federal pen -or hung as a traitor and worse -google Jeb Bush and Barry Seals for one reason.
Dont get the /sarc thing do you?
not sure what wall street has to do with her being worth 6.7M
Only liberals really understand.
Because she was a wall street defending attorney before her run for Congress. Before making comments that make you look stupid, why not google this topic and find out for yourself.
I was going to say, 6.7 million isn't enough for JPMs special sauce.
Do they make that sauce by fermenting dead babies?
So she gives way for Hilarious?
Hillary Bush will beat Jeb Clinton.
WWC rules.
I, for one, am not ready to rumble.
That was damn funny!
Is Chelsae Hubbell going to get in the race?
Get a barf-bag and see the pics, if you dare.
https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrTccd5bLhUEyoAw80PxQt....
Not surprising. Populist bullshit artist.
Somebody told me she is an indian - probably has a casino or sells tax free cigarettes or something
She's admittedly only 1/32nd Indian, must be a helluva racket they got goin on.
Why does it matter if she is the wealthiest?
To me it only matters if you used political office to earn it.
I have no idea how she became that affluent
Kinda like Hitlary then?
(Grabs popcorn)
Whoa! But I thought Hitlery was dead broke and drowning in debt after leaving office. Poor thing had to stoop to speaking to make money to survive. That in itself is quite hilarious in so many ways if you think about it.
Miffed;-)
I thinks her & that thar Slick Willy done dead broke about 37 necks that was censored of them thar ewetoobs.
"Dead broke"...lol...yeah, she walked that one back pretty fast.
If 3/4 of a million in assets and a 14 million dollar book advance from Simon & Schuster is dead broke I want me suma dat brokiness ;-)
Yous an' eye ain't in dat brokiness club nmewn. We's in da wage slave club. Not 2 comfy dat.
Miffed;-)
No its definitely not.
But I take comfort in the fact that I voluntarily lose whatever savings I manage to accumulate in boating accidents instead of someone "helping me" with losing my savings ;-)
She'll bash the banks and take their suitcases full of campaign cash at election time.
Doesn't matter who from the D League runs because Chris Christie will beat them all.
Oops, I meant eat them all.
$7m is chump change compared to the average Wallstreeter.
I don't this as being overly rich for a politician.....depends how they made the money. As a Wallstreet attorney...I can understand she would have had big fees.
But that would put her in place to know the nature of the cockroaches of Wallstreet and their tricks.
The real reason she wont run for President in my mind is that she knows it is too fucking late to do any good except make yourself look like shit. What has to be done will actually destroy everything....so it can be rebuilt. Else do nothing and wait for the implossion.
Only people who want to be President now are those sucking bankster/military cock.
You don't think a hardcore populist lefty would want the opportunity to destroy and rebuild?
Think "fundamentally transform".
This is laughably ridiculous. Her "wealth" has nothing to do with it. $6.7 million is f-ing poverty in Congress. Clinton's net worth is north of $100 million, and you can bet she's running.
Notice how she was asked, "are you running?" (present tense, hint, hint) That doesn't preclude running in the future. By the way, she's not running because she's a far left ideologue who's smart enough to know that while she'd be a rock star of the kooky, fringle left (aka, the core of the Democratic party), she'd get a Mondale-esk ass kicking in the general election.
It just takes burning down your business to grab more than that.
Issa's worth $600 million.
What the graph doesn’t show is the fact that, of Warren’s ~$7 million. an estimated $5 million involves a TMZ bid for a compromising photograph she has of Hillary with her (Warren’s, that is) tennis instructor, who reportedly has Elizabeth’s backhand clocking in at only 3 MPH under that of Venus Williams.
Still, I'm a bit disappointed. Was looking forward to her making the case at Democratic debates that AAPL volatility makes it difficult for her constituents to day-trade using Obamacare subsidies.
W T F Joe Biden??? No fucking way....that slinky little weasel has millions hidden from view. I'm not buying that shit.
Apparently not, there's video of him out there stating that he has nothing saved and will be living off social security. That said, you can zillow his house in Delaware, market value $2.5 million, hiding in plain sight?
Buy a shitgum...
Buy a shitgum.
"that slinky little weasel has millions hidden from view."
Insert any politician's name to that accusation and you'd be 100% correct. Absolute power corrupting absolutely.
Miffed
Yup. Biden has been in the Senate since 1973. and the guest house in his mansion complex in Rhode Island is worth a lot more than a half mil. Maybe he plays internet poker???
Its like I always tell Mrs.N, if someones trying to break in our "mansion" just go out on the balconey and fire two shots from the ole double barrel shotgun!
Yep ;-)
Damn....you crack me up. I told my old lady to shoot of the nukes but that might be overkill.
Biden's a very smart guy who likes his privacy when it comes to money. That's why he took all of his gold and gave it to the Ulrainians for safekeeping in their gold vaults.
That net worth chart is pure shit.
Adding Bush, Clinton or Romney would make the chart logrithmic.
Boxer and Feinstein..
Why is ZH trying to trash the only "representative" that actually voted against that last BULLSHIT budget with yet another backdoor bailout for the banks?
Look, we all know that what people say if BULLSHIT, but in this case, I will watch what they do, and how they vote on a bill.
Put her wealth up against the clinton cunt please.
Because she's a cunt who couldn't tie her shoelaces with two assistants. That's why she wears loafers.
Hey dumbass, let's see her wealth stacked against the clinton cunt and you will see the real answer to the question. I mean, ZH is all about exposing the real numbers (thank god) right?
Yet another stupid fuck that thought women didn't have dicks or know how to wave them.
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!
Hillary's cock is bigger than most of the guys' here.
However, Hil and Bill and Liz together couldn't come close to my brain-case. They're stupid. Really stupid.
So you essentially agree with me.
Hey, good luck with that cognitive dissonance!
Such a "list" is largely irrelevant dumbass, but so long as you are making one, why not include everyone!!!!!
I thought ZH was the real deal? Very disappointing.
LOP,
It's a losing battle. In his exponential brilliance he's proving to the world how non-ionizing radiation improves eyesight and rapidly multiplies the synapses of both grey & white brain matter.
hahahah
Jesus, why have you resorted to making shit up?
LOL indeed.
That's right Vagenius, I fucking made it all up. I'm Barnacle Bill the sailor.
http://www.magdahavas.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Navy_Radiowave_Brief.pdf
http://www.bioinitiative.org/conclusions/
Now, do I need to remind you of all the cops getting testicular cancer for putting their radar guns between their legs?
WTF you think did it, moron?Hey asshat, let them.
They're all ugly dried up cunts. Why quibble whose cunt is the nastiest.
"Because she's a cunt..." Cogent, just fucking cogent.
did she call you a pencil dick or sumpin?
WTF were you saying about intolerably stooopid?
Here, let me help you asshat. If you are really going to make such an irrelevant list (people become "wealthy" via many different paths) then why wouldn't you include everyone in your list.
Agenda much. Fuck, Jesus should know that if he knows anything.
Here, let me help you dick breath.
The reporting was her/their net worth. I didn't post the fucking article.
Furthermore, there's a goddamn difference in making it as an attorney or Haaavard professor as opposed to arson.
Go take a fucking bromide doood.
LOL!!!!!
Right after you Jesus!!!!!!
Her first bill...Bank on Student Loans Fairness Act.
She sold it as giving kiddies the same interest rate that Goldman, the Morgue etal get...but its still debt. At 3/4% they'd probably rack up moar debt at lower interest, hell at that rate, an insurmountable mountain of debt. I guess it continues to be printed by the Fed instead of from taxation too.
And no, no downie from me, I brought you up 4 to 4 ;-)
Thanks. I thought ZH was the real deal. It's fight club motherfucker, throw everybody in the ring!!!
We need to really need to have a ZH "get together"
I really need to redefine "chaos" and "wealth" for some "folks".
< head explodes >
Relax, I'm waiting for the Tylers to throw Jeb! in the middle.
It'll be like coyotes on a new born calf ;-)
She associates with the party that gave us doDr-Frank which originally codified TBTF (FDIC bridge loans etc).
She's a pandering sack of shit.
Fake indians who made a $700K/yr Harvard salary would never lie. And that is why, "You didn't build that family farm and that pizza parlor, you dirty little middle-class ungrateful pigs."
Forget already? Warren forced herself into being the very first, unaccountable, inaguaral CFPB (Money Police) chief working for and, directly inside, the Federal Reserve. She blew it because she started acting like a fierce dictator months before she even took office and the office had any official standing. States attorney generals immediately complained to the DOJ that she was already secretly, and very agressively, trying to strong arm the states into illegally providing detailed personal and financial information about all their citizens to her. She was tossed under the bus to stop the uproar so that the CFPB could still go forward under somebody else. Being senator was her second choice.
Everything Warren has done since she was exposed herself for what she is has been to repair all the self-inflicted damage. Menace to the Banks? No way. She is stealth. She owns your brain, LOP. Don't be fooled.
"If I had a daughter she would look like Elizabeth Warren."
-Hillary Clinton
There's no way Biden is worth that little. My parents were regular blue collar people and even they're worth more than 1 million.
Nobody said he was bright. For all I know he could be in debt up to his smile.
$7 million? Shit the average homeowner in CA is worth half that. Try a different reason to trash her.
This is an utterly irrelevant point. Americans don't have a problem with wealth. They have a problem with ill-gotten wealth.
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Good point.
Extreme Human Behavior
Yeah we need Romney or Jeb who came from humble beginnings, started their own businesses from scracth and became wealthy, and will support policies that will build the lower and middle class.
Fauxcahontas has a lot of wampum.
Reallly- Warren has more than than Kerry, or McCain, or the Bush's I seriously call bullshit on that.
Article is only about candidates, not entire congress. I believe Issa is wealthiest congress critter
That's one cattle futures trade net for Hillary.....She could write a check for all of them together
The next wont have to worry about drapes at the wh. Bunkers don't have windows
6.7 million, that's it?
She would need a helluva lot more than that for body guards
to protect her from all those errant nail guns wandering the streets.
Still I would vote for a fake Tribe Indian, than a real dual citizen Tribe member.
She would be a Queen in Belarus !!
Seems pretty irrelevant to me. As stated, Hillary has a boat load of money, Romney has even more, the bush clan was loaded/privileged. I mean if you're a well educated 40-50yr old+ who is in congress and you dont have a net worth of $1M you messed up somewhere along the way. $1M isnt what it used to be. literally and figuratively.
Biden is hiding assets offshore.
Biden molests collies. He's also very creepy to 13-year-old girls. Also he's a plagiarist. And an idiot.
In other words, Barack insurance.
No doubt.
Can't remember if it was him or Dodd who's wife worked at an offshore "investment firm", think it was Dodd.
Dodd-Frank...lol...gawd, really?
And why is Hillary running? because..."Russia and China will pay a price"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ltPixsIGQ
She isn't running for President. She is running for Vice-President. Hillary will have to choose a female running mate because she won't want people to think she 'needs a man' to help her run the country. Am I the only one here seeing these things clearly? smh
i don't think warren would take a vp position. i don't think she is dumb enough to run without working within the party first. if she can convince the party to adopt a lot of her philosophy(like the repugnants should adopt a lot of paul's philosophies) then the party represents something inside of representing billary.
i need to burn another one to get me back to reality. this utopia stuff gives me a headache.
With the American political conscience falling further left every year I'm guessing after 8 years of Hillary the country will be far enough to the left cliff that Warren's views will be pretty mainstream by then. After 8 years at the very least their will be 25-40 million new Hispanic voters brought in from Central/South America.
Drifting to the left? Ha!
Hillary/ Barack are to the right of where Dick Nixon and Reagan were.
If you think Hillary is 'left wing'....
these people have no clue how far right the country is compared to the republican 70s and 80s and pushed further right by clinton then shrub.
It's because they get hung up on which ever political party is in the White House.
Bottom line: 1933-1980 was a liberal scene
1980-Now is a corporatist scene (more appropriate than calling it conservative/republican because it really isn't either...it's corporatism at its finest.
I believe that she has been a professor at a few different universities, including Penn and Harvard. She is also a bankruptcy lawyer and has written several books. The book she wrote with her daughter entitled: The 2 Income Trap is an excellent read. Basically it explains why Middle-Class Americans are having a hard time making ends meet even with 2 incomes. She explains in simple terms that couples should budget off their largest income and use the rest for savings and emergencies.
Hardly a shill for Wall Street....
she has provided the only explanation for the current middle class situation. what made it really interesting for me was the lawyer approach she took to define the evidence for the proof of the thesis. she said, "this is what happened. this is why it happened. these are the guilty parties who made it happen."
great stuff. she is the new kucinich and just as lonely being the conscience of the senate.