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Hostages Taken In Paris Suburb Post Office, AFP Reports

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Just a flashing headline for now from Bloomberg citing AFP:

  • HOSTAGES TAKEN IN POST OFFICE IN PARIS SUBURB, POLICE SAY: AFP

It is unclear if this is a continuation to the tragic events from last week, and if there is any terrorist component to this situation, however it is worth noting that there were overnight warnings of more potential cells and attacks by ISIS-related elements.

Some more from RT:

Three people have been taken hostage by an unknown gunman at a post office in Colombes, a northwest suburb of Paris, French media reported.

The gunman is armed with a Kalashnikov rifle, French RTL radio reports. He is holding from two to five people hostage, Le Figaro reports, citing police sources.

 

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Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:29 | 5669416 GetZeeGold
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Lots of workplace violence lately....

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:34 | 5669422 Haus-Targaryen
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That God/Allah that the religion of peace is peaceful.  Could you imagine if it was a religion of Jihad?  Crazy.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:35 | 5669429 negative rates
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What's the difference between a religion and a cult? A: There is no difference.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:38 | 5669439 Ghordius
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the main difference, as often, is size

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:44 | 5669458 negative rates
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So now we're all underwhelmed?

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:47 | 5669468 kliguy38
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Queue the black helmets and militarized state

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:50 | 5669476 negative rates
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Live by sword, die by sword.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:55 | 5669496 sleigher
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:07 | 5669550 onewayticket2
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never happen here.  our "postal" workers are heavily armed and dont take any $%!+

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:24 | 5669628 Killer the Buzzard
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Those Presbyterian terrorists are at it again.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:50 | 5669778 TerminalDebt
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Dammit, now I'm gonna have to mail a letter to show my support for freedom

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:52 | 5669786 strannick
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Markets turmoiling, so turn on the terror 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:36 | 5669979 Publicus
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If the citizens are armed, this would not have happened.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:54 | 5670013 ACP
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So, I guess this hostage taking thing is going to be a weekly thing in France now?

Snackbar Takebeer Hostage Friday?

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:26 | 5670088 y3maxx
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...What's the trading symbol for Kalishnikoff stock?

Share price guaranteed to sky rocket.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:54 | 5670389 erkme73
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But I thought firearms were illegal in France?  

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:50 | 5670275 RaceToTheBottom
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Just wait till the Pastafarians go postal, it will be a mess.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:52 | 5669487 XqWretch
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Don't forget to place a passport of whatever country we need to invade on the body of the gunman!

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:46 | 5669471 Oldwood
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And motivations.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:48 | 5669475 omrizario
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There is no violent religion like "the religion of peace"

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:59 | 5669514 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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When one individual runs around yelling how there's an invisible magic man in the sky who expects him to discriminate or murder women, LGBT people and "non-believers", society will typically apprehend such a person and impose therapeutic treatment on him.

When a large collective of individuals begin to exhibit such behavior, society calls it "religion" and begins to offer it respect or even deference.

Is it any surprise, then, that our world often ends up looking like something of a crazy mess?

 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:01 | 5669518 Bumbu Sauce
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When it is populated by people like you?  no.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:01 | 5669526 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Did I say something wrong about the magical sky daddy?

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:10 | 5669578 XqWretch
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“Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money!”

? George Carlin

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:23 | 5669618 Oldwood
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If I'm stuck between the oppression of two religions, I will choose the one who wants to rob me over the one who only wants me dead. Everything in life is a choice and to believe that if your ideal choice does not exist means you do not have to choose, you will discover those choices made for you, as ugly as they may be. It always has been and always will be the choice of lesser evils. For those who make it to their heaven, maybe things will be different there. One can die for their principles...its a choice, one that radical Muslims make every day.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:39 | 5669703 XqWretch
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The Ottoman empire allowed it's subjects to practice whatever religion they wanted, but non Muslims were taxed heavily. All religions are about robbing you, anyone who thinks otherwise is just naive or is one of the fanatics of said religion.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:46 | 5669757 Oldwood
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And again...which ones want you dead? If I'm dead, I really don't care if they rob me. You? It should be pretty apparent that Radical Islam cares little about the trapping of wealth, so theft is simply a tool to advance their agenda, be it buying weapons or humiliating you before your death.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:55 | 5669797 XqWretch
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There are fanatics of every religion that want to kill people. Just because Muslims are grabbing headlines lately doesnt change that. The crusaders killing Jews and Muslims in the name of Christianity, the Spanish inquisition murdering those who strayed from Catholicism, radical Zionists killing Palestinians... history is filled with examples of this...

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:37 | 5669704 DumpsterFire
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Blasphemy.  There is only one true religion.  All hail FSM.  http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:39 | 5669707 Usurious
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dude.......you need to shit yourself out of the Matrix.........

you are watching way to much MSM news......

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:44 | 5669734 Oldwood
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Dude, there is no "out of the Matrix", there are only different levels of awareness. You should still question your own. Beliefs are beliefs, your choice. Death, on the other hand is the only real escape from the matrix, and it is final. Everyone ultimately may be your enemy, your competition, but not all want you dead. Please listen to what your enemies tell you. Some tell you they want you dead...they show you they want you dead, and yet...you persist.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:59 | 5669811 Usurious
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I consider my enemies to be the tribe/zio-neo-cons/bankster/MIC elites who desire a contant state of war.

NEXT

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:17 | 5669881 Memedada
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May I make a guess? You’re ‘educated’ in USA?

If I’m correct it explains why you’re (I suspect unwarily) killing any chance of an ‘informed debate’. If all ‘beliefs’ are equal in quality there’s no reason to debate in the first place. Beliefs don’t need facts and don’t need to be qualified – they’re just beliefs.

 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 13:05 | 5670703 Oldwood
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All beliefs are definitely not equal, which is the point of contention in every debate, every battle. To assume your belief is th eonly correct one is the primary proof that you are very likely wrong. Debate is all we have, our only chance at reconciliation as if done properly demonstrates that there are opposing while personally justified perspectives. There is no issue that is universally agreed upon, even by the most educated, most intelligent of us. But hate has universal appeal, the reasoning well baked in and no longer worthy of debate. Radical Muslims will not be appearing on any debate forums. AS climate change specialists tell us, "the debate is over".

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:22 | 5669902 Abaco
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You just said something stupid in an attempt to be witty.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:38 | 5669431 GetZeeGold
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Could you imagine if it was a religion of Jihad?

 

Yes....I can actually.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:39 | 5669432 Ghordius
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for one and a half billion Muslims Islam is a religion of peace. for some ten million, it is a religion of Jihad, not in the sense of "Great Effort" but in the sense of war against infidels. but of course there is never a lack of non-Muslims that wish to decrease the ranks of the first group in favour of the second group. and sometimes bloomberg is their favourite voice

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:44 | 5669441 GetZeeGold
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for some ten million, it is a religion of Jihad

 

Five highly trained operators can put up one hell of a fire fight.....use your imaginatioin on what ten million could do......ten million that have never watched Dancing with the Stars.....they're busy doing other stuff.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:43 | 5669455 Cognitive Dissonance
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So....you're saying they have missed their programming and are acting up?

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:47 | 5669474 negative rates
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Pro who? I think I lived in her basement.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:58 | 5669503 Wolferl
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Ghordius, sad to see you are one of those brainwashed German morons that has fallen prey to the propaganda of the German government and most German press. Islam is not a religion but a culture of death, destruction, ignorance and violence. And every single Muslim on this globe is part of it, a difference between Muslims and Jihadist is not existing. We Europeans are in a war with Islam for 1400 years now. I don´t fear Islam at all but i fear naive idiots like you here in Europe that deny those simple facts.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:01 | 5669528 negative rates
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Your end will come swiftly and violently and by surprise, and rather soon by real human time standards.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:07 | 5669560 Wolferl
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Europeans will wake up one day. The result will be a massacre and several 10 million dead Muslims. But that´s what some naive and braindead European today want. Okay, so be it.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:13 | 5669589 eurogold
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Europeans will wake up one day and realize that they created this mess all by themselves with their socialist inclusion policies. But it will then be too late and Eurpoe will be muslim.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:22 | 5669614 negative rates
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It was actually the Brits who chose to control the language rather than use it to aquire everlasting life. Then went to war over their beliefs, financialized the economy, militarized the citizens, and captured the politicians. Trust me, the end is near.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:01 | 5669529 negative rates
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Your end will come swiftly and violently and by surprise, and rather soon by real human time standards.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:05 | 5669539 Element
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So all those European wars last century were about Islam? The heebs were muslims, the Russians were muslims, and the Germans were muslims, and the Italians as well?

Sneaky little bastards.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:11 | 5669575 Cognitive Dissonance
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Well......the Europeans needed to take a century off from fighting the Muslims to fight among themselves.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:17 | 5669598 Element
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Sounds compelling ... if one has low benchmarks.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:02 | 5670074 Cathartes Aura
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ahh, Element, what you fail to understand, is that

Islam is the new "communist' - for the amrkn war-minded.

sometimes their war-minds have other hated targets - blacks, mexicans, feminists, etc. - provided for them to direct their hate at.

this time it's "islam".  a seamless passing of the baton in the marathon that is a controlled-mind-life.

without a target to hate, why, there might be peace, co-operation, awareness even!!

 

can't be having that!  no profit in peace!!  no historical rape & pillage perks in peace!!

this is what those tasked to kill do, they hate, then they kill.  no matter the skin colour, nor which tribe they belong to, same actions and results throughout history.

another cycle of death is poised to be en-Acted, there is nothing new happening here, sadly.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:18 | 5670122 Element
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Yes, and no. Yes it is that, and yes there is incitement, but in this case the 'victim' target is well and truly asking for it.

The Laotians, Cambodians, North Vietnamese and Iraqis generally didn't ask for it at all.

So this time the West may actually take the gloves off, at some point, and really get serious about pounding the snot out of all of them. I don't think they understand that the West has never really beat them up yet. Many of the militants assume they've seen the worst the West can dish out but what's happened to date is not even close to the fire-power than can be bought to bare.

I was also thinking after I wrote that comment that Israel must be incredibly chuffed at the western world's 2-minutes of hate every hour on the hour these days. It's almost the best thing that could possibly happen for Israel, the more hate of muslims in the West, the better and better they'll like it. So I expect many more outrages and incitements to come.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:19 | 5670148 Ghordius
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Element, come on! Cathy has nailed it

"but in this case the 'victim' target is well and truly asking for it "

that was the whole point of my comment. how can 1.5 billion "ask for it"? they aren't united in any political way at all. hell, most of them spend a lot of time in the same way as us Christians: at war with each other

I have to remember here that you are in the full blast of Rupert Murdoch's media storm, which, like bloomberg's, likes to put the Muzzies as the "new communists"

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:43 | 5670272 Element
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You can't see it? I live next to a Muslim country of ~300 million and another couple beside that. They are not 'asking for it', not at all.

But some countries are more or less asking for it, and some parts of some countries are asking for it? And some groups in some countries are asking for it Yes, they definitely are. And yes, there are groups in the west that are asking for it, they are pushing the envelope and they are starting shit.

So yes, the situation is primed for far worse to happen this time around, and fore sure there are 'allies' with the west who certainly have a stake in enhancing the hate.

You should look at your own perspective on this because if you are thinking 1.5 billion (!) you are really going a bit weird on me here, as about 450 million of them are in Southeast Asia, and almost universally live peacefully, with occasional exceptions. The States and societies in SEA simply don't tolerate militant Islam, they don't want it.

But there are States and societies and tribes plus groups in the MENA, that DO tolerate militant Islam, they bankrole it, and they encourage it, and they actively preach anti-western, anti-christian hate and violent rejection.

They are asking for it, but you can't see this?

Are you just being ideologically stubborn about this stuff?

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:50 | 5670360 Ghordius
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Element, is that a problem of semantics we are having? I agree with you. I just disagree with the generalization. I thought that was clear, but perhaps my English failed me

 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:56 | 5670400 Element
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Well I'll leave it to you to parse the generalities, you see the point, you agree with it, so what next?

I accept terrible confrontation and destruction is coming in the MENA. The implications of that are translucent to opaque.

It would be a good idea to wrap up tensions with Russia though, last thing we need is that sort of complication combined with US and general Western system resets.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:38 | 5670284 Cathartes Aura
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I'll (sadly) agree with you that no one truly realises the weaponry that can, and no doubt will be unleashed this go-round.  that's what each nation-state sucks up the skim profits FOR, moar weaponry to kill moar humans, rinse repeat profit.  anyone who doesn't "get" that by now is willfully ignorant.

there are so many quotes that state the agenda, and it is always war.  the fact that men willingly kill and terrorise humans, just so they can play with the weaponry created and get a free pass to rape 'n' pillage, most likely under the influence of fist-fulls of "legal" pharma handed them when they uni-form up, is the great realisation most don't dare go near.

THIS is humanity when played by those who control the narrative.  it's ugly, brutish, and we're in for yet another go-round.  just read the threads here, cheerleaders begging for someone else to go to "war" for them, so they can sit back and watch. . .

as to "Israel" - it's merely another named land mass with humans trained in a particular perspective.  I very much doubt "their" outcome will be what they believe it to be, same as the rest of the teams engaged.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:46 | 5670346 Element
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Healthy perspective Cat, zh seems like a modern analogue of the stands at the Saturday afternoon Matinee at the Colosseum, the more blood cruelty and judgmental mayhem incited, the better they like it.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:06 | 5669558 Ghordius
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"every single Muslim on this globe..."? seriously? you know what this means? that if I find even one Muslim that isn't a Jihadist I have already disproven your point

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:23 | 5669619 Wolferl
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Lol, your ignorance about Islam is breathtaking. It´s the duty of EVERY Muslim to lead a Jihad against all "infidels", almost everytime, everywhere. So every Muslin is a Jihadist, because if he/she isn´t he/she isn´t a Muslim.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:31 | 5669649 Ghordius
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my ignorance about Islam is breathtaking? Well, let's see what the "Jihadists" of the Islamic State are doing

they have some non-Muslims in the territory they have occupied, and have dusted off the concept of Dhimmi

of course the tax they impose is very high, and if you don't pay it, you have to either convert to Islam or die. it would not be the first time this concept was applied by thugs

nevertheless, historically nearly all conquests of Islam resulted in big populations of Dhimmi. and this tears your concept of "Jihad" a huge, gaping hole

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:41 | 5669717 Wolferl
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Your understanding of Islam doesn´t get better if you have a quick look in wikipedia and write some pointless drivel here. The concept of Dhimmi is nothing else than exploiting a conquered population in a half slave like manner. Yeah, that´s what Islam is about, conquering others, exploiting them, total world domination. And that´s why Islam is our enemy, was our enemy, and will be our enemy. 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:28 | 5669944 Bunghole
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Looks like you spilled some of that MSM Kool-Aid on your sweater.

Oh Yeah!

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:15 | 5669870 Volkodav
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A message to French Muslims from Sheik Imran Hosein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhz6W9lZ3b4

Your post shows ignorance

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:54 | 5670395 Rory_Breaker
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Now that's one muslim who gets it. Must watch for everyone on ZH. Great post Volkodav.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:55 | 5669492 Ghordius
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so your point is that they are less then ten million? in the whole world? possible

I'd say America alone has some ten million Muslim haters, at least. thanks to the media, of course. hard to say

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:00 | 5669519 GetZeeGold
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I'd say America alone has some ten million Muslim haters

 

Are you under contract with MSNBC? If not.....you should be.

 

Sure....we'll take your word on that figure.....which clearly you pulled out of your ass.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:03 | 5669536 Ghordius
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of course I pulled it out of my ass. I wrote "I'd say...". what is your figure? after a careful reading of what I wrote and how I was replied to? more? less?

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:43 | 5669442 blabam
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religion of peace for one and a half billion Muslims... unless you're gay.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:50 | 5669485 NoVa
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more like unless you are one of the 10 million.

 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:58 | 5669508 Element
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Sounds like Russia.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:06 | 5669522 blabam
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We don't have a problem of Russians harassing/ attacking homosexuals here in the Netherlands. 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:09 | 5669555 Element
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Actually, I don't either, they are on thin ice most places I'd say, but the MSM will never admit that, ... as it's full of gays.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:05 | 5669544 Never One Roach
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<< religion of peace for one and a half billion Muslims... unless you're gay. >>

 

... or unless you're a Blogger:

 

 

Pressure grows on Saudi Arabia over blogger facing second flogging

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/15/pressure-saudi-arabia-over-...

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:45 | 5669743 Memedada
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And the religion of the blogger is?

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:41 | 5669443 Haus-Targaryen
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Which camp would you put her in;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSvyv0urTE

Your choices are; 

1) 1.5 billion

2) 10 million

 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:59 | 5669515 IndianaJohn
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#3, meaningless blabber from the audience and from the podium.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:02 | 5669535 Volkodav
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fat camp

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:08 | 5669561 Haus-Targaryen
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I lol'Ed

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:50 | 5669477 Memedada
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Institutionalized religion have always been used as an excuse by TPTB for war, violence, torture and discrimination. Hindus, Christians, Muslims and even Buddhist are manipulated to serve TPTB in this way. ISIL, Al Qaeda, Hamas and most other ‘extremist groups’ are created, supported, protected and maintained by the western intelligence agencies (Israel being an outpost of the “west”).

All religions (if you’re true to the actual words of the respective ‘prophets’ and ‘religious scholars/poets’) share a focus on love, forgiveness, enlightenment and compassion.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:56 | 5669498 overmedicatedun...
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Ghordius says: "why one of my best buds is a muzzie and he pays me well for massage w happy ending' so no these are peaceful people, loving people, coexzist, anyone saying otherwise is a nazi"

eyes wide shut.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:02 | 5669523 Ghordius
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and what is your point? that there are 1.5 billion Muslims is a fact. that the first country to recognize and have a treaty of friendship with the young US Republic was a Muslim country is also a fact

that one of the first US interventions was in Tripoli, against enemies of the first friend of America is also a fact. that America has many Muslim countries as allies and partners since then is also a fact

I really wonder what would happen if all Muslims became virulent haters of America. even half of them would be... very interesting

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:06 | 5669557 Haus-Targaryen
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Is what happened last week -- could it be labeled "Muslim Terrorism" in your professional fact-based opinion? 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:19 | 5669606 Ghordius
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for the tenets of Islam, even the most flattering and exulting drawing of their Prophet is blasphemic. and so very provocative. and highly likely to provoke something like a... honour killing

it was a murder. planned by completely misguided young men, if the official narrative is true. a planned murder is a planned murder, a criminal act that requires justice

I'd say that Muslims in Europe should be tolerant enough not to resort to violence for this kind of statements. Terror? not so sure I'd use that word

I am willing to die for the right of that bunch of misguided cartoonists to draw whatever they like. but I also think that some drawings - like pornography - should be restricted

and I would also like to have something like an official list of ignominy, and put those cartoonists on them, for their gratuitous provocation. as an act of intolerance

plenty of ways to criticize whatever you want without resorting to the full, bare provocation, in my view. (A point that is against the tenets of the 1st Amendments, but again, see pornography)

so yes, I prefer tolerance to intolerance. and no, not everything that can be done should be done, or gain applause because it was done

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:29 | 5669620 Haus-Targaryen
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Islamic Extremism then?  Does that term work for you?  

Could you imagine if it were Skinheads that shot up a Mosque.  I don't imagine marches and solidarity for the non-violent skin-heads would be planned, but the people who did it, along with people who are similar to them would be lumped into one group -- and the media, the people and the governments would blast them collectivly.  

However, when its Muslims who shoot up a news paper, everyone is scrambling for Tolerance.  Seems to me this "tolerance" thing is more or less a one way street -- is it not?  

Are the cartoonists drawing horrible images of Jesus, Abraham, the Virgin Mary, etc., etc., is that intolerant as well?  Or is that just satire?  

Seems to me you have falling into the "we have to be tolerant of brown people, but they don't have to be tolerant of us" trap.  

If I were to create a religion -- where anyone who muttered something about "European Unity" had blasphamed my religion, and were now deemed to death -- could I kill them and have you valiantly up here defending my honor and justifying my actions? 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:37 | 5669692 Ghordius
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of course it works for me. the extremism of it is palpable

as well as the misguided extremism of Pussy Riot girls dancing naked in Russia Orthodox churches, though it's not comparable because non-violent. and nevertheless it was punished, as well as I would be punished if I burned an American Flag in the US

yes, treating things that other people hold as holy is intolerant. particularly if it can expected from you to do the same criticism without this kind of flashiness and unduly provocation

the two last sentences of yours are not relevant. tolerance does not mean that

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:45 | 5669739 Civilizedworm
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Great points about the skin heads. The way I see it, like racism, this issue is made to be devisive. We are supposed to disagree about it. Muslims in many ways enjoy the double standard you point out, but some really aren't violent. The point is we can successfully argue about it. Just like the whole ferguson thing, they pick issues that can be faught over. Mike brown was a thug, but he was also unarmed. There are two sides, and every one picks one and goes at it, otherwise the media leaves it alone.  

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:47 | 5670354 Cathartes Aura
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I remember the UK skinheads, they mostly came out at the weekends for their footie teams, marched as groups/gangs, and had a particular "uniform" look.

sound at all familiar?

I saw them as "in training" reserves, that could be "called up" whenever necessary in some "future" plans. . . they were already playing the roles assigned them.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:46 | 5669740 Civilizedworm
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duplicate :/

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:35 | 5669684 Oldwood
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Laws to protect us cannot do so if the moral structure of society does not support it. There is a chicken and egg thought here but still, we can't expect our laws to protect us if no one actually supports or believes in them. In that case they simply become a told of tyranny that uses them to punish some and reward others.

We can all understand WHY radical Muslims do what they do, but understanding is NOT justification. These people are damaged, much as a retarded person may have certain behavior "ticks" that prompt violent outbursts. A civilized society does not embrace or excuse such behaviors and traditionally puts those acting out in a cell somewhere to prevent them from hurting others. To use the label of religion as some special exemption from insanity, is insanity in its own right. We are either going to live in a civilized world where aggressions are channeled into not violence, or we are going to revert to a world that many though was long gone. The wild west will look like the height of Rome in comparison.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:47 | 5669748 Element
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More likely it will be a mixture, as now. From what I see in comments at zh, in most threads, the informed are often the most damaged, the least considerate of others, and the most intent on promoting violent provocation and reaction as their pet 'solutions'. It's inspiring stuff.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:17 | 5670138 Cathartes Aura
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I'd question just how "informed" most of the posters here truly are, if they continue to believe some of the narrative fed them - the "financial" side is only a very small part of the overall false stories consumed.

as long as some continue to believe they have all the answers, that "media" lies (which it OBVIOUSLY does), yet they believe other stories fed them by the SAME media, including the current tales about "muslim fanatics" under their bed,

then history will continue to repeat itself.

as long as humans are encouraged to hate "other" humans, particularly encouraged by a small handful of those who benefit from stirring the rage, then there will be blood.

the "tell" for me is all the god-lovers here who seem to be stuffed with hate for their particular targets, yet get all jelly-kneed when mentioning their Heavenly Father.

that's religion for me, ALL of 'em - fake fawning for their gods, all the while spittle-flecked rage belies their realities.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:25 | 5670171 Element
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Thanks Cat, I despair when I read many of the posts in here, just words of course, but there are some real assholes in this place, and they really don't have any excuse for it. If you bawl them out and ask questions they back off, then the next day they're back at it again. fowl stuff

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:59 | 5670427 Cathartes Aura
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the flavour of ZH shifted to "bitter" for me a couple years back, when the threads were stuffed full of hatred during the Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin narrative.

that people cannot see past their specific cultural hatreds, cultivated by media AND their particular "religious" beliefs, well, same as it ever was, eh Element.

humans appear to need an "other" to mock & hate.  it's rare wonder that the "elites" have so many quotes reflecting their beliefs about "their cattle", so contemptuous, sociopaths, and they control the media - what else do we expect as outcomes. . .

“Americans like the cowboy … who rides all alone into the town, the village, with his horse and nothing else … This amazing, romantic character suits me precisely because to be alone has always been part of my style or, if you like, my technique.” 

- Kissinger (November 1972 Interview with Oriana Fallaci)

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 12:11 | 5670479 Element
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"... during the Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin narrative."

Yes, that's right. I ignored much of that stuff, but that's where it turned from former revolution talk about stringing up bankers, OWS, and fascism's spread, to real hate pushing. A lot of lunatics showed up around that time.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:41 | 5669720 tarsubil
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The idea that the state will tame middle eastern men living in ghettos is crazy. Crazy like 1.5 billion muslims are just itching to gun everyone down with an AK. Or maybe that is true. Then it would also be true the 330 mil Americans are itching to gun down all muslims. Seems like a possibility. Of course, our side is good and they are bad. If only people understood that...

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:23 | 5670164 Cathartes Aura
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you appear to.

given the copious amounts of quoted agenda available on the internet, of how to play the humans into "sides" like so many national sports teams (*doh*), first stoke the loyalty, then the hatred of the "other side", then arm 'em ($$$) and turn 'em loose.

isn't that the story "his-story" tells us?

Of course, our side is good and they are bad. If only people understood that...

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:40 | 5669722 Infinite QE
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The biggest problem the Muslims have is that many of them happen to be living in lands stated to be part of the greater israel mythology. If they were all based in say, the Bahamas, there would be no issue them. Bank on it.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:08 | 5669556 viator
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There are approximately 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. On a world wide basis polls indicate that approximately 15% support Islamic jihad. That is 240,000,000 Muslims who support jihad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:08 | 5669563 headhunt
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Funny how you never hear a peep of condemnation from that "half billion" about the "ten Million".

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:40 | 5669713 Memedada
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In order to hear anything you need to listen.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:08 | 5669564 Oldwood
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That's where we made our mistake in WWII. We should have recognized that fighting the Nazis would piss off Germans. We should have just looked the other way when Hitler invaded his neighboring countries, understanding our cultural differences.

I have no doubt that our foreign policy sucks and has done much to exacerbate this mess, but we do not need to excuse these murderous fucks. EVERYBODY has an excuse for what they do. EVERYBODY.

We can scream false flag all we want but the reality is that if these radical fucks had not repeatedly demonstrated their vile behavior time and again, not against the French or Americans, but against their own people, their own beloved religion, no person would believe it possible or believable.

We find ourselves between a corrupt world government and a heinous murderous mob. Making excuses and justifications for either is dangerous to our survival. None of them hives one shit about us more than what we can provide them. In that circumstance I would suggest our short term future lies with our corrupt government as they at least still need us. The radical Islamists DO NOT and have repeatedly told us, point blank, that their ONLY solution, Their only goal, is the destruction of anyone who does not believe, who does not submit in total, to their specific interpretation of Islam.

This is a battle and with all battles we must prioritize or as Bush said "strategerize". There is little doubt that much of this has been promoted as a means of distracting us from our own government's tyranny. But lets deal with the most immediate problems first rather than lump them all together or simply put our heads in the sand and ignore, deny or simply accept or fate. Like it or not we must deal with the guy who holds a gun in our face before we can deal with the one building a bomb in their backyard.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:49 | 5669775 2muchtax
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Take another look at history, it doesn't take much. The Nazis were 5% of the German population. Castro took over with a few thousand people. It doesn't take a majority when 95% of people just want to tuck their kids in bed at night and ignore the rest of the world.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:53 | 5669789 Leraconteur
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The problem is that the 90% don't turn in, shun, and reject the 10% who are violent. The 90% need to reform islamic scripture, kick the jihadists out of all mosques world wide, march by the tens of millions against each incident of something like this. But with each incident, they don't - and that reveals what they really support.

About 60,000 Jihadists want to kill.

About 15,000,000 Radical Islamists overtly support them.

About 300,000,000 Muslims silently support the above.

Since the Chinese, and Indians, and Buddhists, Daoists, Hindus, Catholics of South America, Protestants of the USA Midwest and Atheists of Europe and all of the rest of humanity are killed by those 60,000 on an hourly basis it is incumbent upon the 1.6 billion to purge - TODAY - this cancer from this planet.

Otherwise, you will find that we will ring-fence Islam, and Muslims, and send them to a culture that they can adapt to - their own, in another country.

Europe, it seems, is going to fight back for their culture and Islam had better get its act together right now.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 12:15 | 5670487 Cathartes Aura
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.

The problem is that the 90% don't turn in, shun, and reject the 10% who are violent.

I believe the percentages who desire violence, be it in personal relationships, laterally within each culture, or between the cultures, is much higher than you point to.

you're calling it "islam" - I'd widen your target demographic to anyone who chooses a "national" side and intends to kill others behind their ID-mask.  and given that "religion" is on the record for inciting wars historically, I'd include "Christianity" as a shit-stirrer used to enflame. 

keep the hatred on the back burner at all times, then turn up the heat when a particular outcome ($$) is desired. . . there is profit in the destruction, and there is profit in the re-construction.  how people cannot see through this is the sadness.

 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 12:32 | 5670563 effendi
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Your maths suck Ghordius. Surveys of muslims in Britain show 1 in 3 support the killing of those who renounce islam. In muslim majority countries that figure is far higher (usually over 3 in 4), in my country (Egypt) it is 85%. So that implies that over a billion muslims support killing "apostates". Hardly the actions of a peaceful religion.

 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:50 | 5669478 NoVa
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HT - like your posts.  

NOTE -  believing Christians also have a similar end for non-Christian believers - the Second Coming of Jesus.

http://www.godsplanforall.com/secondcomingofjesus

 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:57 | 5669505 Winston Churchill
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Be glad it still isn't.

Insh'allah

When it was ,it took over the MENA and southern Spain in twenty years.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:07 | 5669548 bubbleburster
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:18 | 5669603 Volkodav
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A Message to French Muslims by Sheik Imran Hosein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhz6W9lZ3b4

different perspective 

also about Russia

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:33 | 5669670 tarsubil
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A religion of jihad doesn't have to be imagined. Just look at the neocons in Washington, DC. Oh noes! Trrrrsts just jumped out of my closet! Good bye cruel world! If only the neocons had been successful and had a masked police officer stationed in my home! Oh the irony!

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:33 | 5669671 tarsubil
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NSA spying glitch dupe.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:33 | 5669424 Arius
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this is the new normal ... the market will have no reaction at all.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:35 | 5669425 negative rates
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Okay lets just all admit the world has gone to hell and get on with the next party.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:53 | 5669491 Jayda1850
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If the world is going to hell, I better be long handbaskets.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:07 | 5669549 negative rates
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That and a scarf around your neck.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:37 | 5669433 NoVa
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new meaning for "going postal"?

let's hope it is not a muzzie, but in fact the french version of a disturbed 20 year from Ohio who bought guns and ammo yesterday and who has his cat as his best friend.

Seriously - 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:06 | 5669553 Vylahkinnen
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It's not a muslim though. Swiss trader probably.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:07 | 5669566 junction
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An outsider going postal in a post office?  That seems redundant.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:24 | 5669625 clade7
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I wonder what a flash bang would do if detonated next to a big roll of bubblewrap?  The whole place could go up in a shitstorm of shipping popcorn and cardboard!

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:32 | 5670222 zorba THE GREEK
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what makes this most interesting is that it is not being reported in the U.S.main stream media yet.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:30 | 5669417 TideFighter
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They only exist to facilitate our MIC existence and spending.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:35 | 5669430 Usurious
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Bingo..........

and.....Humanity is held hostage by debt-money creating bankster terrorists....

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:32 | 5669419 SickDollar
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they are creating Major Fear in Europe because they do not want them to think or analyze the dying European union economy

this tactic always works

NON STOP FEAR FEAR FEAR BITCHEZ

 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:51 | 5669489 Memedada
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Exactly: they are (again) implementing ‘the strategy of tension’.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:33 | 5669420 limecat
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gone postal

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:07 | 5669559 goldinpenguin
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Postale!

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:35 | 5669428 BearTrap
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We will update as soon as more inflation is available.

As the world is heading into deflation this may take a while, Tylers.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:39 | 5669437 blown income
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Can't they just go to the capital ,wall street, and the black house..

 

Leave normal serfs alone....they didn't do anything...

 

Politicians and bankers only...

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:43 | 5669454 The Shape
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Amen.

And if they're going to kill journalists, at least kill ones working for Murdoch.

There's no innocence there.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:46 | 5669469 headhunt
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Cancer is indiscriminate

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:09 | 5669567 negative rates
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Cancer is behavioural, get over it.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:54 | 5669494 Memedada
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Well, “they” are most probably hired by the banksters (via their minions – the intelligence communities).

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:38 | 5669440 zdc
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Where the hell are these French sand people getting all these AKs from?

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:46 | 5669464 CaptainMoonlight
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Thank god it's only the snd ngrs with the guns... and thankfully the police are there to protect the firearms-less Frogs. They're so progressive, it's really awe inspiring.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:01 | 5669532 fascismlover
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See-Aye-Aaayyy!!

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:12 | 5669581 negative rates
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They said they were hiking down out of the mountains from somewhere, musta got picked up and delivered. I mean hell, it was half our fault just for making the thing, and don't tell me these same people would have made their own either, that don't wash anymore.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:41 | 5669445 fascismlover
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There were three people all at once in a post office?  Thats the real headline.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:44 | 5669459 CaptainMoonlight
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Didn't the post office go out of business long ago?

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:43 | 5669447 buzzsaw99
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the post office, how cliche

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:43 | 5669450 Max Steel
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give it a rest france 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:45 | 5669460 headhunt
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"The gunman is armed with a Kalashnikov rifle"; Is that an imam approved weapon?

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:51 | 5669481 Maxter
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It's a Russian weapon.  Therefor, Russia is propably invading France.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:22 | 5669615 Sambo
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Don't know about the Imam, but it sure is one of Al Qaida's favourite.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 09:43 | 5669735 Leraconteur
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It is the favourite of most of the Eurasian continent.

Easy to repair, maintain and store. The global favourite for select fire weapon.

I prefer them to the AR or M variants. Better gun. The greater mass is inconsequential.

Just a great, reliable weapon. Mikhail did a genius job.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:51 | 5669480 2muchtax
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The show must go on

 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:50 | 5669482 SpanishGoop
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We posted some people.

But to be honest, i am also not so happy with the postal service lately.

 

 

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:50 | 5669483 Youri Carma
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CIA/Mossad is waiting for Hollande to openly defy Russia. Then this will stop.

Fri, 01/16/2015 - 08:58 | 5669513 Memedada
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+ get in line with US policies in the middle east. They (the French) shoved sign of independent foreign policy and voted against US (Israel) in the UN = most be dragged back into total loyalty to the fascist camp.

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