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Ukraine's Poroshenko Rejects Putin's "Peace Plan"; Massive Shelling Ensues
Further to the dramatic footage yesterday, Ukrainian troops have launched a massive assault on militia-held areas, according to RT. This comes on the heels of Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko rejecting a peace plan proposed to him last week by his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin. As Reuters reports, Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Sunday evening, according to Russian media, that the plan, contained in a letter sent by Putin on Thursday evening, proposed a ceasefire by both government forces and separatist militiamen in southeastern Ukraine, as well as the withdrawal of heavy artillery by both sides. Given the images below, it will be hard to see how Ukraine (and The West) will spin this...
Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko rejected a peace plan proposed to him last week by his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin, Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Sunday evening, according to Russian media.
Peskov said the plan, contained in a letter sent by Putin on Thursday evening, proposed a ceasefire by both government forces and separatist militiamen in southeastern Ukraine, as well as the withdrawal of heavy artillery by both sides.
"In recent days, Russia has consistently undertaken efforts as an intermediary in regulating the conflict," Peskov said in comments quoted by the ITAR TASS news agency.
"In particular, on Thursday night a written address was sent by the president of Russia to the president of Ukraine, in which a concrete plan was proposed to both sides in the conflict to withdraw heavy artillery."
A copy of the letter was published by the Russian television channel NTV. In it, Putin proposed "urgent measures for the cessation of mutual shelling, and also the rapid withdrawal by the sides in the conflict of means of destruction with a caliber higher than 100 mm".
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While, as The Burning Platform exclaims, Ukraine appears to be in full-scale war but the US mainstream media remains silent...
Ukrainian troops have launched a massive assault on militia-held areas. The Putilovsky Bridge, which is located near the Donetsk airport has been destroyed in the shelling along with countless buildings.
Anti-Kiev forces alleged to be the Novorossia Armed Forces (NAF) firing on Kiev positions just outside Donetsk with field artillery. The footage was reportedly filmed overnight on Saturday.
The suspected sound of a jet engine was heard moments before a rocket attack targeted the area surrounding Donetsk International Airport on Friday.
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Pure unadulterated insanity. My heart goes out to all those who will be considered collateral damage.
This shelling just warms a Zionist's heart. American tax dollars at work, again.
We are accelerating head on into the Crisis of 2020. Billions will die.
....actually everyone dies. The timing is the bitch.
2020, not too many years left. The counter attack here if it happens will prabably be from Belarus, it's a short distance from Kiev. World War 3 is upon us, billions will die.
1 in 4 of the global population will not live past the Crisis of 2020.
more likely that 1 in 4 WILL live past 2020 ....
When will it be Romania? Again in Serbia? Estonia? Swiss franc based mortgages, Austrian banks, eistracted big boys looking at the bigger countries like Ukraine and Turkey ...
Artillery is the God of the battlefield. The Buratino heavy fuel air artillery system is the Mars of the battle field. The Ukies attacking NovoRossiya will soon be having a 'spiritual' experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmhvKvBH0Qg
Meanwhile the war criminal porkyschenko and his puppet handlers will be sitting well back of the front, hiding from the action. A thousand curses on these filthy bastards, as young Ukies and Russians die in a futile war.
All that's going to happen is more US weaponry getting into the hands of the Novorussians. The Ukie conscripts, with their 10 days of training, are going to run from the front lines or seek asylum in Russia. The Russian don't need to arm the "rebels", the US is going to do it for them.
I truly hope you are right. The smart Ukies will throw down their weapons and take an extended holiday in Russia. There is no reason why any of them should be dying for Porkyschenko and his USSA butt puppets.
Reason? Family held hostage in the west.
PUTINSTAN IS COMING TO THE END!
Zionist controlled "Russian" oligarchy has no future. Putin has no way out: either an all-out invasion and occupation of Ukraine by Russian arm forces or a capitulation. Putin cannot occupy Ukraine installing its own Zionist controlled oligarchy over the present Zionist controlled Ukrainian oligarchy. It is an end of Putinstan.
Putin is hated by Russian-Slave people. The initiative is now in American hand with China being a wildcard. Putin's days are numbered regardless what. Now Putin on his way to meet Qaddafi and Saddam. The rotten asshole did not deserve any better.
Obvious shill is obvious. Russia isn't Lybia or iraq. keep dreaming.
Speaking of rotten assholes...Your government "stank" is filling the room. Be sure to open a few windows and exit via the rear door into the back alley.
The Ukies are kicking the shit out of the "rebels" sayanara ruskie fucks
Woooooo, big delusion here.
They are surely accurately landing shells in housing complexes.
Against local militia however - more of a coin flip.
I love optimism. We need it so much right now.
Nah....we all die and civilisation is terminated. We become the only species dumb enough to check ourseleves out.
Bagration revisted
Cry Havoc! And let slip the dogs of war...
That this foul deed shall smell upon the earth
With carrion men groaning for burial.
Hmm. Ukraine at the brink of economic disaster escalates military conflict?
Either they are totally insane or someone is not telling the truth.
If they attack, EU and US taxpayers will alledgedly foot the bill for the attack, amongst other things.
The last collateral of a broke nation is its youth, as you can see. "Attack or go bankrupt" was the endline.
Here is an idea why don't you all stop payng taxes and help grind the US corp to a stand still that bit quicker, but thats right it mean's doing something , and well American's don't do that. So fuck them let's see them all die with a little help from you.
they don't need our tax dollars, that's so last millenium.
eddiebe , then why don't you try it if the money stop's flowing to the City of London and the vatican thing's would change PDQ.
Yup, unreal.
as long as the police powers get paid, the state will be supported. Beyond that? Thing in terms of regional warlords. Nothing new to much of the world.
Taxes have little to do with national budgets. It's your tithe for the privlege of buying/selling/habitatingl/eating/traveling/etc. When people get punished for not paying taxes, it's not because they need the cash--it's because you didn't obey. There is a Federal Reserve and petro-dollar for any budget needs. CIA drug money and laundering probably doesn't hurt either.
So you need a set of ball's to stand up against the system , now I see the problem.
I bet you are leading the 'Don't pay your taxes' brigade in your country......right?
I have not payed taxes in 8 years and no I don't lead the brigade I just don't want blood on my hand's.
Just to mention that all tax is voluntary , t is just people are not smart enough to figure that out.
Then clearly you do not have taxes involuntarily withheld from your paycheck.
Or a Goods and Services Tax (GST).
Or sales, excise, gasoline and utility taxes. And on and on and on. They all support the beast and they are all built in.
or a sense of gratitude for the people who built the roads and rails you se to get around.
Why didn't you clue in Wesley Snipes and his lawyers... thats rayciss....
Pick up a history book, read. That's exactly when wars are started. Think nations go to war when everyone is fat and happy?
Up against Russia? Perhaps, the only reason for this could be if Putin pays their bill at the end.
Not that long ago the bankers thought a US civil war was a good idea. Sound plausable to you, or do you think that some kind of morals come into it?
Perhaps both?
Poroshenko foolishly accepted the poisoned chalice and now is in to deep too back out. If he does, the neo-Nazis will run a coup and won't care whether Porky lives or dies.
At least the Novorssians are now free of their incredible restraint. Once they gain momentum, there will be lots more dead Ukrainian canon fodder to fill these already prepared graves near Denpropetrovsk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUWyGa-QkhM
What a waste, what a waste
But psychos don't mind
they don't mind at all..
there is selling organs, same as Kosovo
want people off the land....gone
less Ukrainians, less problem for control assets
How will the western media cover it? Easy. If the news can't be spun, then they won't.
The Western media stopped covering Ukraine because it's no longer of use to them.
The primary value of Ukraine (in the eyes of the EU/USA) was as the sole transit route for Russian gas to Europe. Nord Stream was the beginning of the end, pipeline debt and theft finished Ukraine's role and v 2.0 of South/Turk Stream is the final nail in the coffin. U.S. sanctions or any kind of gas embargo are useless without alternate gas suppliers. The entire EU/USA effort to collar Russia via Ukraine gas transit has been a colossal failure.
Ukraine's value for ABM sites and Black Sea U.S. naval clown-fuckery were always questionable - no modern strategic defense calls for ABM sites right outside the adversary's fence-line. It doesn't work like that. Sure, useful if you have that kind of access but hardly a 'key' part of anything. Probably more useful for various spook purposes or just generally pissing Russia off.
Economically, Ukraine is an epic liability - Greek style - to anyone foolish enough to touch it.
Industrially, Motor Sich (turbines and aircraft engines) is probably worth fighting over, but their plants would be destroyed in the process.
Zaporizhye Nuclear Power Plant is worth fighting over, but Kolomoisky will never let anyone take his toys from him. Sampson option.
The U.S. screwed up again and is tucking its tail between its legs and skulking off into the weeds. We'll toss a few hundred million of arms and Blackwater at them, but the whole project is turning into a disaster.
Mainstream media has been given the message loud and clear: "Just ignore Ukriane and pretend it never happened. Maybe people won't notice and forget about it"
It's not an accident that the Ukraine population isn't listed here - Ukrainians are useless to the U.S. and Ukraine oligarch psychopaths. It would take twenty years to run every one of those corrupt bastards through the International Criminal Court prior to their executions. Ukraine won't even exist by then.
What was Putin thinking, proposing a peace plan ??
This calls for more sanctions against Russia !
He didnt do it through the correct channels is the problem.
Everyone knows you have to facebook a peace plan to ukrainians. (or tweet it to the state dept)
#ceasefirenazis
"Everyone knows you have to facebook (or tweet) a plan to ukrainians."
Actually, you tweet it to their non-Ukrainian leaders.
"My heart goes out to all those who will be considered collateral damage."
Perhaps, then, an appropriate time to post this again (includes excellent and moving music track), for those who haven't yet seen it:
[VIDEO - 04:39] For Inna - a video which should be circulated worldwide
^ WARNING: extremely graphic footage begins at [02:13]
direct YouTube link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flq0W4UzR00
The music track ruined it for me.
Read: Understanding psychopaths
These are the main characteristics to be on the lookout for:
Callous lack of empathy
Thanks, Robinhood.
Unfortunately, I can frequently make use of that article. ;-)
Consult the master, Robinhood: Anderew Lobaczewski
Yeah, they should have used All About That Bass with a bunch of fat fags running around celebrating a wasteland to build one big bath house for New Russia.
So then mute the bitch.
Just posted, within the past hour, at The Vineyard of the Saker:
Novorussia SITREP: Intensive combat operation all over the line of contact in Novorussia
These types of graphic images and vids don't bother me that much. Having been in EMS for 20 years I have pretty much seen it all, but what never fails to make my blood boil is knowing that there are absolute heartless fucks out there that pull this shit off daily.
There is a special place in a very real place called Hell that will welcome these animals with open arms when they are called to account.
Ukraine is on the offensive so it blows up the main bridge leading to and from the airport? That propaganda is so thick that even I know it makes no sense.
What really happened is that the Russian invaders blew up the bridge to keep from being overrun--it's the only logical explanation. There's probably some Russian boys left on the other side who are now cut off.
I hate it, but lots of Russian military in bodybags are necessary. It's the only thing that will completely turn Russians against Putin.
> I hate it, but lots of Russian military in bodybags are necessary. It's the only thing that will completely turn Russians against Putin.
Wrong folks, "folks". What IS necessary to fend off the slow but increasing slide to WW3, are lots of Xie / Blackwater bodies in bodybags, along with Globally televised trials (and confessions, to direct public anger against the REAL perpetrators) from the surviving captives.
As for "turning the Russians against Putin" - the Russian people have experienced first-hand the "consequences" of appeasement policies under "Mickey the Marked", and Yeltsin. They will not be treading THAT path again, anytime soon. "Remove" Putin? Plenty of replacements, the majority of which are VERY hard-line "Pro USSR Restoration", so be VERY careful what you wish for . . . . .
The world will be at peace when the zionists/neos/bankers/ their mercs are lined up from Paris to Jerusalem Vlad the Impaler style.
In regards to the comment regarding Putin's successors in case he is put out of the picture: It appears many pro .gov trolls are unaware how mild mannered an pacifist Putin is compared to about 90% of the duma. Nearly any other leader over the course of the last year in Russia and there would be a good chance that Washington would be a radiated zone right now.
JM, good men and women, Ukrainians and Russians, will be dying today while worthless sacks of shit like you keep pushing for more violence.
I have eaten dirt. I hope you never do.
Fuck you and your mother.
"... there would be a good chance that Washington would be a radiated zone right now."
Really, that's all that needs to happen ... before Nato gets involved in Ukraine.
so you still never learn to not believe USA corporate Owned media lies yet? I guess you think USA found "weapons of mass distraction' in Iraq, right? There are NO Russia solders in Ukraine but there is plenty of USA Pentagon "advisers".
You're mental and a danger to society.
I just want this over and over soon. If Russians see alot of bodybags coming home from the invasion, that is wihtout doubt the quickest way to end the aggression.
Putin is the problem and despite the Kremliin-paid protests to the contrary, the Russian military is in Ukraine right now. Peace requires that they leave.
You must be a troll, since all you have said has been debnked about a thousand times.
Before this site ended being a financial blog and subsequently became an arm of the FSB, I used to post articles. I miss that Zero Hedge.
The FSB crowd making comments is acting like hysterical women now. Ukraine is in a fight for their very identity right now and they have to act like it. Russia faces no such existential threat. Putin isn't Hitler, he's just a crook living by the law of the jackal. No one around him has any loyalty outside of getting their payoff. They'll turn on him when it makes sense to do so. Authoritarians always look strong from outside, but on the inside they are weak.
This is a Russian invasion based on regaining a lost sphere of influence. Ukraine will either be absorbed by a resurgent Russian empire, or they have a chance to break from this disadvantageous past and strike a new course for themselves no longer a sphere of Russian influence. They will have to fight for it.
The Ukraine has the most compentent leadership since the Wall fell. My best wishes for them.
I imagine somewhere there might be another person that might tolerate your stupidity on a daily basis. Here, not so much.
Standard Disclaimer: Get yourself a hooker to occupy your nights. You won't have to worry about cleaning off your keyboard as often.
This is his day job, before the Ukies send him to the novorossiyan front to die.
You know nothing about this subject.
get lost goat
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/...
Cool pic. But you know Chiang, I commented five years ago in spite of hoards of dead-beats that didn't pay their mortgages and called squatting the "fair thing to do". Man, you haven't even seen downvotes like those days. But the truth came out: squatters lost their homes. I commented when the majority wanted to kill all bankers because they were "killing innocent people". Thing is, people weren't killed, they just had to move out and move on. When they accepted life changed on them, things worked out. I commented in spite of the doomsday prepper crowd that came and has since left who thought civilization was going to end tomorrow. Civilization is still around. Lots of junk don't discreditsolid thought.
I was silent through what I can only call the "Stormfront year". That was bad.
So when I comment that Russia will either implode due to the combination of being shut out of the capital market and oil prices rendering their exports uncompetitive or they will desist their invasion of Ukraine and the sanctions will end, in time it will be obvious.
You used to write articles here? Judging by downvotes you keep racking up, ZH community did not loose much since you stopped. What is it with you nazi sympathizers? Blood thirsty much?
Yeah right they had one BUK11 left and didn't want to let it go to waste.
Your plasible scenario suffers for a plausible context.
Subjectiveobject; you know your English, Thumbs up!
I truly hope that Russia, China and friends put an end to the dominance of the USSA. The thought of another young person horribly dying in battle, Ukrainian, Russian or American, sickens my heart.
This shit has to STOP.
Bullish!
No spin required, from what I've seen, just make up some completely bullshit version of the story that paints the west as the peaceloving saviors and Putin as the demon war-monger. Correlation with reality is optional.
All I know is once the CIA got this fight started they just stand back now and stoke the flames until this gets to the size of fight they want to start phase II of their plan, looks to working so far !!
I say again.."you have the duly elected President of Ukraine. Why attack Crimea?". This makes no sense to me.
What makes/made sense is a direct incursion into Kiev to get "your man" back in there.
What "the West" does from here will be interesting as no less than the Secretary of State went to Kiev to lay flowers for the Fallen.
The State of the Union is coming up. Is the President planning a visit? Or is that Kabul 2.0 now?
I don't even like to talk about it. I think its all stupid.
go away then...
"…just make up some completely bullshit version of the story…"
Here's the entertaining version: brief Novorossiyan video posted 16 January mocking the clowns and criminals in Kiev:
[VIDEO - 03:43] 16.01.2015 Ukrainian crisis news. Epic Urkainian victories, War in Ukraine
When this shit comes to America maybe the insanity will be reigned in......
At that point, we will, each, have to take a side.
I have an appointment with a tattoo shop here in town. Im getting the ribbon of st george inked on both my forearms. Just black, orange, black, orange and black all around on each side.
Ive made my decision. Im no fucking nazi. My grandfather fought the nazis in WW2, fucking guy stormed Normandy and lived to tell. Ill be damned if I go out of this world only to face my grandfather and his rage if I support nazis. Fuck Nazis.
That's in Albania and I swear I could see a little girl with a cat.
"They" don't have to spin this anymore. Every westerner is already convinced that it's "Russia's fault," so even wiping out the entire population of the East to "win" is no longer a problem for "them." Or am I missing something?
Pretty hot "cold war" isn't it!!!
I say again..."taking sides in a Civil War is a bad idea."
Yes, Civil War. But some just conveniently ignore that this particular Civil War was arranged and is being actively supported by DC. Russia supporting ethnic russians to save them from extermination - bad, US pushing their puppets in Kiev into war and sending mercenaries and advisors - good. Even the blind should see a pattern here - every time USA gets involved instability, blood and destruction is the result.
Just because they have run a bunch of anti-russian propaganda does not mean most think it is Russia's fault. Perhaps they (TPTB and MSM) have starting to believe their own bullshit; or perhaps they just don't give a fuck what the average westerner thinks, as long as the propaganda is there any attempt at the truth from the populace will just be turned to said propaganda. If you look at the comments of MSM a lot of people know there is a lot of lies from the west. The fact is TPTB don't give a fuck what people think, just what is shown as "the truth". Any opposition can then be attacked.
Indeed. I think that really gets more to the heart of what's going on here. Thank you.
Smell's a lot like March 2003
They sold us Iraq now the Presstitutes are conning us on Ukraine
The west is expendable and will, probably, be wiped out at the same time and "useless eaters" will be no more. I just hope the clan who invented the term "useless eaters" doesn't get the warning.
{ clan who invented the term "useless eaters"}
The UK husband of the Queen.
The Duke of Edinbrough, Clan Saxe Coberg Glyxburg.
Time for Total Economic War on Porky & CIA junta:
.
1. Turn off the Gas
2. Stop Coal deliveries
3. Call in Ukraine's overdue Debt.
Force them into Insolvency and Bankruptcy!
In parallel, a Political war on Porky's junta and it sponsors (CIA/St.Dept):
1. Call Ukraine's actions as Barbaric, and violating Basic Human Rights, and "Systematically engaging in domestic Terrorism against its own populace".
2. Issue a statement and PR campaign that... "Russia can not and will not tolerate these perpetual barbaric actions on its Frontier. If the UNSC or OECD does not intervene in a timely AND meaningful manner, Russia will have no choice but to step in as a "Good Global Citizen" and act unilaterally until the OECD and UN do what is required of them."
Turn NovoRossiya into an Buffer Zone, into its own Golan Heights, until the humanitarian and Human Rights issues are resolved (i.e. they gain Independence, just like Kosovo did). What's good for the goose...
These conflicts always have a way of resolving themselves once it's too late.
Fact is, in these times, most real war criminals die of age/natural causes.
I will never forgive my American government for starting this. The facts speak for themselves, just go back and watch and listen to the Victoria Nuland and her comments, $5b USD for the coup, the mass murder in Odessa and many other crimes committed by or aided by the US government. During this war and especially with this recent escalation I will never lose sight that it has been Putin who initiated a call for peace!
I hate to tell you this my friend but there is no such thing as YOUR American government. It ceased being yours a long time ago. It now belongs to a very secretive and evil cabal of psychopaths who have unlimited access to money and cannon fodder.
My heart goes out to the parents who will be burying their sons and daughters and to the children who will be left without one or both parents.
The curses of the universe on the heads of those who bear responsibility for all this conflict.
I get peace from knowing that their thirst for power will be their ultimate downfall. History repeats itself again.
We are coming closer to the day when the people truly turn on these monsters, and when they do I know that their fate will be so painfully brutal it is nearly unimaginable.
I understand what you are saying, "there is no such thing a your american government". I agree it has become an evil cabal, a criminal syndicate. The future prospects for my young kids worry me. I am a silver/gold bug working as a wage slave. My wife and I are proud to not have any debt, yet the future looks bleak. The perpetual warfare waged by the criminal syndicate in all of our names and the propaganda of fear is taking its toll.
...the abridged version:
We bribed the drunk Yeltzin to "retire".....He did. We signed a treaty with USSR not to expand NATO. USSR went tits up. We broke treaty and now this is what is playing out.
Can the Nobel's demand their prize back?
Obama's legacy
1. Record inequality
2. World War III
But you forgave them for Vietham, Iraq, Libya, Serbia, past sponsored murders all over South Armerica, Syria right now and on and on. I am not even counting the political murders in Europe after WWII.
So, why would they not expect you to forgive again.
There is no conceivable way that Putin is going to stand back and watch. It's world war time if the Anglo-Zionist Axis refuses to back off.
How many have a, well stocked, underground bunker?
I presume you mean US? or ?
you realize those run things got theirs, then uncountable other priorities
maybe they arrange some for illegals, though...cos they new voters and borrowers
you not so much....
Russia has civil defense
Putin needs to do exactly nothing at this point, just let the things follow their natural course. The Ukies have started an offensive (again !) and, as expected, have already had their asses handed to them... again ! A fully explicit demonstration for the classical definition of insanity...
Exactly. It appears the massive offensive has not achieved it's objective, which is one burnt out, though pretty new, airport.
!!!
All Vlad has to do as stated above is NOT react!
These idiots are going to crash themselves. Russia should refuse to be drawn in.
Ukranians are not fighting for their lives, the novorussians are.
All Vlad has to do is train up some eastern ukraine Russians with newer weapons. They can defend themselves.
Mr. Putin must stay calm and wait. Ukraine is on the brink of an economic collapse and EU is not in the best economically position to help after what happened in Switzerland. Soon Kiev regime will run out money to pay the troops then let's see who fight who.
" Given the images below, it will be hard to see how Ukraine (and The West) will spin this..."
Why spin it at all? Just go back to pretending Ukraine doesn't exist for a while. The only thing arguing does is to give off the impression that you are not in control of the facts (especially true when you are not in control of the facts).
Wait a while. Then when the timing is advantageous, write some editorials about freedom and exceptionalism. They just need to make sure to stay in the realm of moralism and concepts rather than anything concrete when they do this second part.
So does this mean the ceasefire is over?
Nope this is a "western Backed" cease fire, its supposed to look like that.
I'm sure Soros has nothing to do with it.
Ironic mode off.
It surprises me these old farts are still alive.
It will be interesting to see how this ends now that Ukraine is much less significant with the pipe line being re-directed through Turkey. Do they have Nazis in Turkey?
They have nazis in a little country south of Turkey... ;-)
They'll just import a few.
not yet....but trust me it is being worked on
There is some info that US government has some personnel into Turkey working to destabilize the government.
"Given the images below, it will be hard to see how Ukraine (and The West) will spin this..."
I don't think they will find it hard, they will just lie. Yesterday and earlier today I was watching some clips of a Russian journalist from LifeNews at the Donetsk Airport terminal with the Novorossiyan Armed Forces. This afternoon I was reading an article in Canada's CBC and Globe and Mail that the Ukrainians had taken the airport. The Canadian press offered no pictures or videos and the story and relied on the government of Ukraine for their information.
Your average mouthbreathing moron in North America already thinks that "Putin has invaded" Ukraine and that the Ukrainians are fighting the Russian Red Army here. They don't even have to try anymore.
Bingo!
can any1 verify?
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2286313&cid=9
Ukraine's Foreign Ministry said that Kiev offered Moscow to sign the schedule of implementation of the Minsk agreements and ensure a ceasefire Monday, Jan. 19.
In a statement posted on the website of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, said that Kiev has offered Russia to sign the schedule of implementation of the agreements in the wording of Minsk on November 13, and a ceasefire since January 19, according to RIA Novosti .
"Interfax" quotes the text of the message: "November 13, 2014 representatives of Ukraine and Russia signed a working document providing a clear timetable for implementation of the provisions of the memorandum of Minsk, in particular, in the part of the bilateral ceasefire, withdrawal of heavy weapons and return to the line of demarcation. Today in Ukraine once again appealed to the Russian Federation with a proposal to sign a schedule of implementation of the agreements Minsk is in the editorial board of 13 November and a ceasefire since January 19. We are convinced that it will allow an immediate ceasefire and protect civilians from attacks in the region. Start the strict implementation of this document will create the necessary prerequisites for conducting in the near future tripartite consultations of the contact group meeting of the Ministers of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, France, Germany and Russia, and in the future - the Summit of Heads of State and Government in Astana. "
Earlier, Moscow has repeatedly stated that it is not a party to the Ukrainian domestic conflict, and called on all external actors to influence the Kiev to perform Minsk Agreement . As reported, on the eve of the Russian leader Vladimir Putin proposed to President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko and the militia of the DNI and LC plan to divert heavy artillery from the territory of the South-East, but Kiev refused the offer , do not put forward any alternatives. http://www.vesti.ru/i/article_end.png) 0px 0px no-repeat;">
We are ruled by very evil people.
Fascist nazi mass murdering scum.
Put in place by the axis of utter evil US/UK/Israel.
Armed, trained and financed by the same plus NATO.
Like the KLA, Taliban and others before it.
Incidently Donesk airport was recognised as resistance territory at Minsk.
Kiev has no justification.
Stockpiles of US weaponry is being found.
Surprise surprise.
Long Putin. Short Soros
The West used Poland to lure Hitler into a WW2 and this time Washington is using Ukraine to lure Russia into WW3. Only brain dead Ukrainian Motherfuckers would like to be used as pawns to bleed the community for some personal financial gains. Money is the root of all evils.
Of the main crazies, most are Poles from western Ukraine. It is former Polish lands.
For most part, they look, move act much different than south and east Ukraine nationals.
I agree fully your WW2 statement.
There's another parallel to WW1 and Germany, now Russia. At that time Germany, a relatively new country, was developing railroad links as far as Bagdad. This would have meant a loss of control of commerce to England. It was in England's best interest to destroy Germany. Today Russia is making similar move and is a threat to Western business controls.
Yes Germany was targeted both wars
Now Russia
Mr. Putin knows how desperate the US is for a war but that's something he's not going to comply her.
Translation: Putin will do nothing unless uniformed troops of NATO cross Russia's borders. I agree.
Exactly...Thanks!
Either the banking mafia get taken down somehow or WWIII.
Still, looking on the bright side we won't have to worry about Alzheimer's. I might even take up smoking again.
tumblemore: I might even take up smoking again.
I've destroyed my lungs with my occupation but ferreal Acid Cigars has some seriously good smokes... a customer dropped off a $400 variety pack sampler thingy... I blasted through $400 of smokes in 3 days, damned near killed me last spring but some of those logs are REALLY good! Disclaimer, I've smoked 2 cigarettes and a few hits off some joints 35+ years ago so I don't know much about smokin.
The US system is running open loop. For the love of God, someone put an end to the madness.
Good show Amerikka.... Who's your next victim?
And Ukraine.... What a bunch of idiots you are. You deserve whatever comes your way.
Every shell puts the Ukies that much closer to insolvency and puts Porko one step closer to joining Obama with the Nobel Peace Prize.
The Ukrainian economy and maybe the Kiev government will collapse as I doubt the West will bail them out. Knowledge of all the dead will filter back to people in the West of the country, as according to a number of news releases - Ukrainian and non Ukrainian, they have taken heavy losses. I don't think the Russians will lose too much sleep over the capabilities of the Ukrainain army.
"Things look very bad today and very intensive combat operations, in particular artillery strikes, are reported everywhere in Novorussia. At the very least, in the following locations:
1) Donetsk Airport: the Ukrainians attacked with a fairly large concentration of armor and under heavy artillery fire. As for tonight (local time) all of these attacks have been successfully repelled but intelligences sources are reporting a sharp rise in the number of tanks and armored vehicles all around the Donestk airport. The Novorussians are expecting attacks from Peski and Avdeevka.
2) The Ukrainian artillery has opened for almost everywhere along the front. The Ukrainian airforce has also dropped several 500kg bombs from high altitude on the city of Gorlovka.
3) Novorussian units are returning fire and the outskirts of Mariupol have come under Novorussian artillery attacks.
4) The Chairman of the Novorussian Parliament, Oleg Tsarev, has declared that his sources indicate that the Ukrainian plan submitted to Poroshenko looked at a spectrum of options: the best one was to totally free Novorussian from all Novorussians, the minimal one was to cut-off Donetsk from Luganks and both of these cities from the Russian border.
5) Plenty of US made weapons have been recovered in the New Terminal of the Donestk airport.
6) There are reports that the Ukrainian forces are attempting to encircle Debaltsevo.
7) Putin's spokesman Dmitrii Peskov has declared that the Ukrainian side had rejected all Russian offers and presented no counter-proposals. He concluded that the Ukrainians have chose the option of going to war.
8) Please click here for an high res updated map of combats.
9) The Ukrainians are now accusing the Novorussians of using "super-weapons" in Peski. No, no nuclear devices (as the Ukie defense minister claimed were used south of Lugansk), but heavy-flame throwers of the Buratino TOS-1 type. The Ukies speak of a "bloodbath in Peski" which, as J.Hawk, the translator for ForRuss noticed, is a sure sign of panic.
10) Initial reports seem to indicate the the Novorussian military has entered the town of Peski.
11) The head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the NAF, General Petrov, has declared that the Ukrainians have resumed ballistic missile strikes and that several Tochka missiles were fired today.
12) Zakharchenko has declared that "we are now engaged in a heavy counter-attack operation from Mariupol to Gorlovka".
Evaluation:
It appears certain is that Nazi junta as decided to resume combat operations. Whether this is "an" attack or "the" attack remains to be seen, but the fact that ballistic missiles and bombers have been used seem to indicate that this one is qualitatively different. My therefore leaning more towards the "the" attack option.
more: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/
I understand that Putin is prepared to send in his Special Forces who will disarm the Ukrainians without spilling a drop of blood.
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/alexzavodyuk/69191460/263599/263599_origi...
cute, but seriously, maybe a platoon of spaatz to kiev when they know porky/yats together , take back to NR and have instant war crimes trial and noose.
It is tough to gleen information about the current affairs in the Ukraine. Many bloggers are now state western Ukraine are forcefully drafting men unless they can hand over 1000 bucks to stay out of the military otherwise your forced to join their militarry. Eastern Ukraine is not doing this and are motivated to fight because they do not want to be apart of the illegal Kiev regime.
Atrocities from the Kiev forces are now popping up from some bloggers. None of this can be verified. The rebels are currently winning the minds fo the people as they are not rounding up people and shipping them into their military. Putin did indeed send a message to try and barter a cease fire deal that was ignored by Kiev. That can be verified.
Remember Kiev is using older Russian howitzers and western ammunition is not compatible with these systems. I am sure Russia will supply the rebels with all the ammunition they need to continue to press the attack.
The Western media seems to have all of this on blackout. They do not want the pleebs to know that rebels are winning. This would make NATO out to be fools. I just pray this war will come to an end. Alot of mothers and fathers are going to be burying their children all because a democratically elected government with 87% of the popular vote was over thrown because they did not want to join the EU. Of course the EU just wanted the pipelines for their energy needs and could care less about the Ukraine. Ukraine finances made Greece look like a cake walk.
Poroshenko has been told that the only way to secure a loan from IMF-US-EU is by making sure that rich eastern part of Ukraine is on Kiev's control.
Plus this.: Ukraine running out of international reserves speedily - http://english.pravda.ru/news/business/14-01-2015/129521-ukraine_interna...
The assualt is likley forced onto Poroshenko. Ukraine's army was in no way ready for such a large scale offensive as is being tried. All along the front Ukraine's forces went over to the offensive against well prepared rebel defenses. Rumor all over Kiev is that the Right Wing is fed up with the war being run as a side show, the Right Front wants a war of destruction and elimination of Donbass. Poroshenko has not delivered anything since the mass defeat of the Ukrainian Army last summer. The rumor is the Right Sector will allow Poroshenko till around Fed 10th to gain a significant victory, or a Right Wing Coup in Kiev will remove in by violence. Porky knows this, the Rada has made clear they want a war victory.
The battle field is too confused right now, and much hangs in the balance. So I will not report victories or defeats till I get confirmations. Enough to say that after failures the last 24hours, the Ukrainian Army has unleashed everything they have in way of artillery at every town and city in range. Tank battlers and infantry battles rage right now, we need a few days to sort out how they go.
Two days ago, it was reported that "Serious Weapons" and some "Serious Men" had come to reinforce the rebel fighters. It is clear that these are rebels who have been organized and trained into units across the border in Russia, and they they accepted delivery of some modern hardware. This force is moving into battle now as the rebels mobile reserve force, freshly trained and organized, using top shelf weapons. How many have gone into battle already, nobody knows. But they are likely to give the Ukrainian Army a very, very bad time.
It's all up in the air for now.
word is Ukr lost 2K kia attempts advance near Donetsk at beginning of this,
resistance arty working...
Ukr aims on cities more