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Ukraine's Poroshenko Rejects Putin's "Peace Plan"; Massive Shelling Ensues
Further to the dramatic footage yesterday, Ukrainian troops have launched a massive assault on militia-held areas, according to RT. This comes on the heels of Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko rejecting a peace plan proposed to him last week by his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin. As Reuters reports, Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Sunday evening, according to Russian media, that the plan, contained in a letter sent by Putin on Thursday evening, proposed a ceasefire by both government forces and separatist militiamen in southeastern Ukraine, as well as the withdrawal of heavy artillery by both sides. Given the images below, it will be hard to see how Ukraine (and The West) will spin this...
Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko rejected a peace plan proposed to him last week by his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin, Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Sunday evening, according to Russian media.
Peskov said the plan, contained in a letter sent by Putin on Thursday evening, proposed a ceasefire by both government forces and separatist militiamen in southeastern Ukraine, as well as the withdrawal of heavy artillery by both sides.
"In recent days, Russia has consistently undertaken efforts as an intermediary in regulating the conflict," Peskov said in comments quoted by the ITAR TASS news agency.
"In particular, on Thursday night a written address was sent by the president of Russia to the president of Ukraine, in which a concrete plan was proposed to both sides in the conflict to withdraw heavy artillery."
A copy of the letter was published by the Russian television channel NTV. In it, Putin proposed "urgent measures for the cessation of mutual shelling, and also the rapid withdrawal by the sides in the conflict of means of destruction with a caliber higher than 100 mm".
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While, as The Burning Platform exclaims, Ukraine appears to be in full-scale war but the US mainstream media remains silent...
Ukrainian troops have launched a massive assault on militia-held areas. The Putilovsky Bridge, which is located near the Donetsk airport has been destroyed in the shelling along with countless buildings.
Anti-Kiev forces alleged to be the Novorossia Armed Forces (NAF) firing on Kiev positions just outside Donetsk with field artillery. The footage was reportedly filmed overnight on Saturday.
The suspected sound of a jet engine was heard moments before a rocket attack targeted the area surrounding Donetsk International Airport on Friday.
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The figure i saw was 2k killed, imjured or missing. 700 of the 2000 killed.
So an average Uki daily result if the 20k dead from the Summer Cauldrons are accurate
10-1 army to rebel loss. Simply unheard of in .modern warfare. It's usually 10-1 rebel dead
This is futility on a massive scale. Nice team you got goimg for you Superfly.
Obama. What a moron
Winter is a bad time to start a war.
Blitzkreig only without the logistcs, experience, and strategic intelligence of the Wehrmacht.
How do you say, "once more into the breach" in Ukrainian
It's all up in the air for now.
JB
Per your usual thanks for the report I guess...
My only hope is that the Novos get ahold of some of the mercs that are helping out and put them on display in a "parade" of sorts when that card needs to be played.
One can only surmise that it will help at the OSCE future meetings which may also help expedite the information flow on MH-17 that has been as thick as a new bottle of Heinz ketchup since last fall!
Oh look, all of the deviate zero hedge hypocrites are now pretending to bemoan war and wring their hands about the combat they've been begging for and constantly inciting to take place.
You're complete scum.
Yes, we are the scum of this earth and you are a parangon of humanity.
Does your unseemly outburst have anything to do with the defeat of another of poroshenkos so-called glorious offensives in NR?
Because from limited informations available at this moment it sure seems that he (again) sent waves of tanks into urban areas, and also keeps feeding his three-month wonders into russian artillery barrages.
I will bet that everyone here, even the russians pity the poor Ukr conscripts forced to attack in winter , entrenched russians supported by ultra-modern artillery (typ Tos-1 rumours).
If you look for complete scum, I would suggest the entourage of US Prez and also Poroshenko and his cronies.
Day after day I watch the same sick zero hedge scum promoting war, and they always act so surprised then immediately start blaming everyone else on earth. Do you claim you didn't notice this? You'd really have to be in some contortionist blinkered denial, to assert you'd missed that. At least Tyler keeps these fluffed-up zh war-champion creeps off the street, where they'd happily do ruinous harm to the safety and peace of some unfortunate community, there is that.
Dear Element, your ire would be FAR better directed against the instigators of this bloody pageant.
No, it wouldn't. Zero hedge has a serious problem with this scummy muck, and more denials and deflection (like yours there) only attempts to ignore it.
It isn't 'OK', it is sick and demented.
Well I tried to be understanding to you but you throw abuse back. Seriously you need to open your eyes to what is being done in your name by your government. Anyway it seems you'd rather pick on some posters on a blog and that's illogical.
NubianSundance
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Yes, you tried to talk some sense into me, I appreciate your profound paternal wisdom, whatever would I do without it.
Say, you wouldn't be one of those partisan pro-war trolls and anti-western pro-Moscow jabbers, which have been showing up in zh all this year, would you be? 'cause I had a look at your posts and it appears that you are.
Say, you wouldn't be one of those partisan pro-war trolls and anti-western pro-Moscow jabbers, which have been showing up in zh all this year, would you be? 'cause I had a look at your posts and it appears that you are.
Our apologies Element
But when you have Saudi Arabia threatening to use Chechen terorists before the end of 2013 if Putin didn't ink a deal with the Western banks to run Assad out of Syria which has killed 200,000 and displaced more than 4 million in that Country... Followed by bombings "inisde Russia" that killed 17 and wounded more than 30 as a prelude to it's hosting the Winter Games with a coup that myseriously overthrew it's next door "cousin" that has killed upwards of 15,000 and displaced almost 1 million Ukrainians to Russia, I'd say the justifcation for Russian retribution from the "Fuck Nuland" society here on ZH is worth contemplating!
If you can't beat 'em join 'em!
I have been making this point for months now. While newbees could be making valid points and are welcome here, since a year there has been an influx of new ZH members that either take a pro-Kiev stand or a pro-Moscow stand and that only comment on the war and on nothing else. One guy -forgot his name- has it even in is bio that he came here only to comment on the situation in Ukraine and 'enlighten' us on how bad things are in Russia.
These people came here to troll and I want them to F off.
This subject is war...
go away.... to find what you interested in,
you must look for that as main... understand?
Yep, another troll. Joined ZH when trouble in Ukraine started.
If you like war so much then why don't you go down there to join it?
you are bitchy goat for sure
1 year and 4 weeks yourself. That is more than 7 or 16 weeks or something but by the looks of it you joined when all this shit in Ukraine started to unfold.
JA
I don't know why this should be a problem for you or anyone else considering that the U.S. government has taken us to war multiple times over the past 13 years based on the "war on terror", killed millions in the proces and spent money like the worst psychopathic lush that ever lived and is finishing it's odyssey starting yet again a war to end all wars with the largest other nuclear superpower in Euope!
If you don't understand the situation, or what is on the plate is too much for you to deal with then don't submit comment(s) on Zerohedge anymore!
God help us! Another one from the sleeper cell.
What you just don't get is how obvious you fucks are.
then why are you here?
Surprised. Seems a dumb idea to launch an offensive mid winter in that neck of the woods. Don't they know history? Must have been prodded inadvisedly to do it.
Surprised. Seems a dumb idea to launch an offensive mid winter in that neck of the woods. Don't they know history? Must have been prodded inadvisedly to do it.
No that is what happens when George Soros is running out of money funding a civil war among all his other NGO pet projects in Western Europe, Hong Kong and "Ferguson"!....
Time is running out for the Anglo-American club!
Some out there are saying that there is a BIG false-flag coming, probably in the Ukraine.
May just make 9/11 look small on the sheeple FUD scale.
The banksters need to repay us.
One would think that if they can fake send men to the Moon, they could make a tin-hat that would stay on while walking, and chewing gum, without staples.
All these morons who are talking about novorussia, should get up to date - novorussia hasn't existed for almost 100 years. Do you still refer to the Austro-Hungarian empire as being something that exists today? Hint - novorussia and the Austro-Hungarian empire belong only in history books.
And for those who DO want to bring up history - let me remind you that Turkey has a stronger claim to the territory, that USED to be novorussia, then Russia.
You might have a point had the US not organised a coup d'état to overthrow an elected government in Ukraine. All that has followed is the responsibility of the cretins in the US Government for whom illegal actions and lying is a way of life.
FJF useless talkings
Russians took it and ended their slave trade, known mainly for stealing of beautiful women to sell for sex servants
Go back a bit and make it Byzantine.
Why stop there Greek colonies existed there along the Black sea, with Scythians on the inner land that traded with the Greeks.
Before there was no recorded History,so we stop with the Legends, and the Ukies are all mixed up.
Scythians are there.
Faces are the same.
And warriors.....here is your Scythian features
Female fighter AGS-17 Thrower:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qI8NbIgWQs
It seems that the Axis still hasn't learned that you can't run a war by doubling down on stupid in the same way you can loot a healthy economy by doing so.
Instead of invading, why doesnt Putin force payment on the 3billion bond
Double whammy
1. Expose how maidan destroyed the Uki economy in less than one year
2. Make the Banderites deplete reserrves down to vapor and kicking the cash to hated Lemonhead
Now we know the extent of the rebels self defense capability. Peski is near Donetsk Airport and is where artillery has pounded the city for months and from where attack on the airport originate. Already a phone call in to Ukrainian television reported the 93 Brigade surrounded there and taking heavily casualites. What is more, this new report just in, from Ukraine sources. " Russian terrorists have used their super-weapons. Just this moment Peski came under fire from heavy artillery. It ended when the terrorists used Buratinos [TOS-1 heavy self-propelled flame/fuel-air-explosive rocket launcher]. According to our information, Peski are mostly burned out, and artillery battle is continuing. Ukrainian losses are simply catastrophic. We are awaiting further information."
These weapons are what was meant by "serious weapons" and "serious men". Ukraine attacked under cover of a cease fire, now the rebels have responed by simply obliterating them. Attacking was a mistake, should have excepted the offer of peace from Moscow.
Ukr forces used mainly tube artillery from Peski area, to my limited knowledge.
If indeed they got counterbatteried by Buratinos...
Replacing experienced artillerists is very long and difficult.
Ukr did not have much skill to start with cos
Oligarchs stole funds so was never much new training equipment was sold and money pocketed
remaining was left decrepint and like that...
Of military, older guys with experience, Afgantsy and such, most changed sides,
or otherwise made themselves not available
so Resistance got many of those, while Donbass was full of very experienced from several different conflicts
and those trained more, even several girls took well to arty.
Most have not clue how deep was math science education in Soviet and other trainings which is applied.
If that is truth I will be celebrating the dead of those Nazis with a bottle of Champagne. Cheers!!!
If that is truth I will be celebrating the dead of those Nazis with a bottle of Champagne. Cheers!!!
Chin Chin MOY!
Video of weapons cache from New Terminal
was well known before there was mercs there, Poles and others
Seps picked up speaking of Polish early on Donetsk airport, and personal items found
now fully validated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_1691167097&featur...
JHC
Looks like the Uki forces got the testicles kicked up into their watch pockets... Again!
Great information. But it would be better with an interrgoation or two of" Academi" or U.S. special forces on tape being bung holed then BBQ'd!!!!
I'm so sick of this crazy ass planet. I'd like to volunteer for alien abduction and take my chances. An occasional anal probe might not be so bad.
OMG! That vintage BMW was worth a fortune.
This is rich... Poles supporting Nazis. The irony is savory do the polish not realize that it was Nazis that marched their ancestors into the woods about 80 years ago executing them? Dumb fucks
Spet. 1939. Nazi forces began the systematic execution of nearly a million Poles in each city and town captured. Public officials, school teachers, police, any intellectuals were taken into the streets and hung or shot. WHen over the German Army had killed a Million Poles. This is according to the Germans themselves, not the allies. Yet Poles support the Kiev Nazi. I wonder, Poles, how fucking stupid are you as a people? Really, how stupid?
+100
very very stupid.
these people, in my observations, had not come to terms with their nazi collaboration as late as 10 yrs ago.
So when the Neo Nazis get their Night of the Long Knives, how does it end for Chocula?
1. Ukrainian necktie?
2. Mussolini Style? Hung upside down with your cock and balls in your mouth
3.Qadaffi style? Anally raped with a bayonet
Apparently Poroshenko panicked and called Ban Ki Moon and OSCE direction for them to beg NR for -yet another- cease-fire.
His offensive must really have been a resounding success, moreover it appears he lost Peski to an infantry counter-attack tonight.
Though his mechanised reserve still havent made an appearence...
No surprise that Russia would propose such a peace plan. Renounce your sovereignty in exchange for peace sounds like a great deal for Russia. Is it any surprise that Ukraine finds such a proposal less than exhilarating?
Ukraine has never been a sovereign nation
'Renounce your sovereignty in exchange...'
hello?, they've already done that. where have you been. LMAO
If the USSA hadn't overthrown President Yanukovich Feb, 22 2014, there would be no war, no partition, no IMF, no massive inflation, no nat gas shortages, no coal shortages, no loss of export markets to Russia,....
Instead the Ukraine would have received a 15 billion dollar loan on easy terms and below market pricing on gas, worth billions per year.
I'll bet more than a few Ukies wish that they could have accepted the Russian deal.
Spring offensive coming a bit early this year. Snow's not even gone.
Give me a friggin break.
Whenever you read that Pytor Poroshenko ordered this or that, substitute the words Supreme Allied Commander Philip M. Breedlove.
Okay?
Huge picture of yesterday's "peace march" on the independence square in Kiev on CNN's web site in Europe section today. People holding posters which read "Je suis Volnovakha" the place where a bus was shelled a few days ago killing 12 people. Who actually shelled the bus is unknown but the Ukies blame the rebels and, of course, Russia. Where were your solidarity and unity in condemning the terrible massacre in Odessa on May the 2nd 2014 where over 40 people were burnt alive by the raging nazi mob? Any posters readin' "Je suis Odessa"?, any western media coverage, world leaders coming to express their outrage and condemnation? Nothing. Mere nothing, not a f##king word. Only gleeing comments in social media by the Ukies: "That serves them well!"..."Some roasted colorado beetles!"
What kind of stuff are you all made of guys? I fail to understand that.
What should amaze is that the US, EU, IMF, and UN don't seem to give a fuck about doing all they can to stopping the violence, and reaching some sort of compromise that leaves Ukraine intact but gives more autonomy to the NovoR provinces.
It's just legal fictions - no one needs to be getting killed.
But the sheer hypocrisy and desperation of the Anglo-American/NATO side is on full display - a western backed coup, propelled by bona fide fascist thugs, Jewish oligarchs, Israeli IDF vets, and IMF-approved technocrats wants all the land, all the resources, and it's not ethnic cleansing if that's not what they call it on CNN and in the NY Times...
Ukraine army targeted Gorlovka with 500kg air bombs – Donetsk militia leaderThey should not let up..
Porshenkos forces at his order violated the cease Fire. The anti Kiev forces should ring the Capitol cut off the Nazi's escape and once captured have a war crimes tribunal and distribute hasty justice to this asshole and any and ALL foreign "advisors, mercenaries and economic opportunists that they catch.
No pardons, no quarter, no mercy.
so let me understand you right the sepratist attacked the airport and ukraine army retaliated and you cry foul all of a sudden?
looks like that c*cksucker Soros has his hands in this.
you are going to lose this one big time you sorry excuse for a human being and so is your chocolate king.
lmao
The US has tasked Kiev with the genocide of the pro Russian East Ukrainians. There are many reasons why East Ukraine is important, not least of which is to create a new homeland for Israe;'s Ashkenazi jews.
Only a full about face from Europe can stop the US rogue machine. This will happen, because the alternative is suicide for the EU.
ludacris how come etnic russians live in peace in the rest of ukraine while war only occurs in the part where the sepratists/terrorists reside?