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Americans Are 'Different' From The Rest Of The World
In most wealthy countries, people tend to believe in evolution. But, as Vox.com notes, The US is an exceptional lonely dot far, far below the others, as this chart from the now-defunct webcomic Calamities of Nature shows:
How many Americans believe in evolution depends slightly upon how you frame the question. Tony Piro, who created this chart, used a question that refers to human beings developing "from earlier species of animals." Other polls that simply ask whether humans have evolved over time (without referring to animals) find a slightly higher percentage of Americans believing in evolution, around 60 percent. That would still make the US an outlier among rich countries, though.
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First you want some type physical/ scientific explanation of how moral decisions are made, then you want me to prove to you something that should be friggin obvious, there is no physical aspect to consciousness.
The fundamental belief of the true "evolutionist" (materialist/naturalist) is that there is a physical cause of everything, which you have correctly pointed out makes no sense. So the question to answer is from where did these non-physical attributes of humanity originate? Emotions, consciousness, moral distinction etc. cannot be explained by an arbitrary arrangement of atoms.
When you accept the premise that the physical world cannot explain these things, then you must confront the reality of a creator or higher power, whatever form that takes for you.
sschu
Yes that must be their porpoise
I get it. You don't understand so the superstition must be true.
The dolphins could not have saved the humans cause they have not been baptized or have had their bar mitzvah?
Next?
good one!
I love how some people seem outright offended by the idea of evolution...the idea that they descended from an earlier animal is sooooo terrible to even ponder.
It falls right into the category of people who thought the sun just had to revolve around the earth because us humans are so damn evolved (If you'll forgive the term).
The reason people are offended is because it is so ludicrous, is scientifically unsubstantiated and furthermore is taught as fact to our children when it is nothing of the kind.
That is why.
sschu
Oh man I love you people. Always good for a laugh.
I wish there was video of when Clarence Darrow fucked William Jennings Bryan up over evolution during the Sykes trial.
Damn, that was almost a hundred years ago, and we still have morons running around saying the earth is flat and freaking out over cartoons
What did Mark Twain lament about, people actually believing in ghosts?
Some things will never change.
Regardless of the limitations of Sciences (or even pseudosciences), they are infinitely superior to courtrooms as methods of establishing facts and proving theories. OJ was innocent and the NYPD did not commit any crime in the homicide of Eric Gardner. With a highly skilled lawyer and 12 members of the idiocrisy today - a jury made up entirely of blacks could find that blacks are inferior whites and thus in need of continued affirmative action... hardly a "fact", even if "proven" in a court of law.
Please enlighten us as to your extensive scientific education.
That's a good one lol!
I don't think science is a requirement for home schoolers.
Evolution is just some liberal propaganda sent down on high from the UN so they can take your guns. Duh!
Let's just base things on evidence.
How much evidence is there for god?
How much evidence is there for evolution?
Evoution wins even if the evidence is flimsy - it's not.
but, but 3 thousand were feed from a loaf. see i can walk accross that lake, and oh, i think the vatican has a spike from that cross. i hear there is an ark somewhere. i saw a really large figure in the woods too...
It was probably a a bear. Did you smell anything?
It is pretty close to the exact opposite of "scientifically unsubstantiated".
I have no problem whatsoever studying the THEORY of evolution.
Problem is, too many people accept it as FACT, when next to nothing has been "proven" and never can be.
It takes a special kind of stupid to think that humans, raccoons and crocodiles are all somehow "related."
NO. It takes an study of genetics.
why do you call it theory? i call it evolution. the theory is in your mind not mine.
I've only known 2 PhD geneticists and both were useful idiots.
My sample size might be small, but now I'm pre-disposed toward thinking they're expendable.
Theories are not facts, and facts are not theories. The Theory of Evolution is not a "fact" insomuch as a theory cannot be a fact, by definition.
what is a fact? I know what a fart is because I can smell it.
A fact is a true piece of information. Usually, you can tell a fact because it is merely an observation or result that can be repeatedly demonstrated. Water freezes if cold enough at low enough pressure. Sun rises in the east. Under certain circumstances, over thousands of generations, E. Coli develop the ability, not native to wild E. Coli, to use citrate for metabolism. Repeatedly demonstrated results.
It's more likely we degenerated from a superior species.
Just as we can show that you genetically came from your parents, it is clear that all living things, plant and animal, evolved from a common genetic source.
a common genetic source.
Please describe this source. What was the first cause?
sschu
I would suggest you try some explanations to your own posts. Milestones
Perhaps a better word would be genetic entity. Don"t change the subject because you're uncomfortable with the facts.
Don"t change the subject because you're uncomfortable with the facts.
I am not changing the subject but simply want to understand from where this "genetic entity" originated. What was the first cause?
We are either non-existant, we have always existed or we were created. I know I exist, and I have not always existed (I was born) therefore I was created. Who was the first human in this chain? How and by whom or what?
sschu
This is a common misconception about theories. A theory is not false because it fails to answer some questions. When a theory fails to answer some questions, it is called "incomplete". A theory is only false when a FACT is presented that contradicts the theory (or more precisely a prediction of the theory). When a theory is proven false, the theory is changed to explain the new facts. Until this happens, the theory is extended, consistent with available facts, to answer unanswered questions. That is how science progresses.
And that source was....
more holes than an invisible being - omniscient and omnipotent - created people fully formed out of dust or mud - but now and then, people are still born with horrible defects, etc?
You can not be serious. You'd throw out one theory, with tons of evidence, because it is not "perfect" in exchange for totally unscientific myth. Jeezus.
Show me the "missing link", idiots.
There really should be shitloads...but no...a jawbone here a hip bone there. I guess we have not dug deep enough or in the right places to find all these missing links. Think about it...we have shitloads of dinosaur fossils but not much in the way of missing links.
10,000 years ago humans were rather rare and often died violently and young. MIlestones
Could be. But if true...it seems that the evolutionary step was a quantum leap out of a small pool in a very short period of time. Call it scientific faith I suppose.
1-2-4-8-16-32...
The kinda leap we are talking about here is an ape whose thumb starts to twitch and who picks a mate who can vocalize a few more vowel sounds than average and they pop out a human. Could happen...show me a photo of Michelle Obama's parents.
at 4096 one these apes combined fire and bronze, at 1million or so a guy name winchester combined many metals, at a billion an atom was split. some call this evolution. a very smart man said the next great war will be followed with a war
with stones. is that the evolution you speak of?
People were riding donkeys at the turn of the century and then went to the moon 70 years later. Shit happens fast.
LOL. That was good. Still with all that ability to charter the fringe of our solar system we can not find a couple of ape bones that come close to resembling the modern human.
Well in all seriousness, just because a bunch of tenured profs digging around in a sand pile cant find something, doesnt mean it doesnt exist. I agree some of the stuff is loose on facts. But I have an open mind and just because I cant touch it, doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
Somethings were not meant to be found, never exisited or are just well hidden.
The divine reveals itself in the physical world.
Sand piles is correct... an absurd percentage of the human population lives in close proximity to the coastlines (even though they can't drink the water) and they have for thousands of years. Funny thing is that the oceans have also been rising for thousands of years. Perhaps they should add SCUBA diving as a degree prerequisite. But yeah, we've "evolved" and are so much "smarter" now...
Some shit doesn't happen
As you say, the Theory of Evolution requires there to be hundreds if not thousands of examples and they can't come up with one?
Like the first commenter said, why was the graph done in crayon ;-)
Providing a missing link to you would just be requiring two more. I've always known you are a moron nmewn, of the christ tard variety, but this just confirms it.
So you can in fact provide at least one scientifically substantiated missing link...excellent!!!
I'm waiting right here, monkey-boy...
As I said providing a missing link to you would just mean I have to provide 2 more. You are a moron.
Son, its generally a bad idea to call someone a moron when all they asked for is proof of something you have verified beyond any shadow of a doubt with all the resources & time spent in that search.
So...who's the moron now?
I'm still waiting...
You can refuse to believe until shown incontrovertible proof, but that is not rational. You will never encounter incontrovertible proof of anything. You will only always perceive what your senses transmit to your brain. Electric impulses, nothing more. What do you believe?
The only thing I asked to be transmitted to my brain was scientific evidence & proof and no one did.
It's okay, he's homeschooled. I had a cousin like this. You wanna talk about WOW.
Can you provide what I'm asking for?
I can assume by your comment that you're "the highly educated one" of your family ;-)
Give him a break, he has not evolved from ape yet and perhaps tripped over his bottom lip.
I can't, but there may be someone who can. I hope you find that person. Until then, find facts (be sure they're facts), test theories, and reject those that are contradicted by the facts. That is rational.
That was beneath even the relaxed standards of ZeroHedge.
His point is valid and merits due consideration (and an appropriate response if you wish to carry the argument, and not just scream and call names).
C'mon ... this should be easy for you. After all, it's fact. It's proven. It's this, it's that. Surely it should not be too much to ask that the proponents of this evolution thing produce at least one transitional fossil or species or the like? After all, Darwin himself said that the archeological record would be littered with such, and if they did not exist, well, then, he was probably wrong. (Or similar words to that effect.)
You seem to be a good candidate for an example.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lloyd+pye+-+everything+you+...
Which 'missing link' are referring to?
Any.
There have been all kinds of fits & starts, if you say that stupid lemur I'm going to laugh at you ;-)
there is no missing link! just some think so. the chain broke, thats all.
If we "evolved from something else" there has to be something transitional or the theory is wrong.
Absense of evidence is not evidence of absence.
The evidence is definitely absent.
So, we must be talking about a theory ;-)
some things we will never know- i would call it gaps in the chain of events or history. the missing link you seek relates to a theory. i would not call it a theory in the first place-someone else did. parsing words, tisk tisk. either you think this is true or you think otherwise. that is ok by me...
So scientifically, like say manmade global warming, I am supposed to accept a hypothesized theory as fact along with its yawning gaps of factual evidence and missing data in order to jump to the conclusion supported by fucking europeans and some obscure pollster.
Well thanks, I appreciate the clarity, I guess I'm different afterall ;-)
I think many here would be well served looking up the words 'Theory', 'Hypothesis', 'Fact', 'Conjecture', and 'Science'.
Actually it is.
there's plenty of transition in the fossil record.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good - and don't ever think incomplete theories based on science are worthless in the face of faith-based beliefs that enjoy exactly zero evidence at all.
+100
+100
Please don't bring up Bishop Usher, I might never stop laughing.
Lets stay on topic.
Anything...anyone?
see above
I really don't think you should be using the word "idiot" unless you're referring to yourself.
So far, the only idiots in the room are expressing "a belief" in something properly called a theory without the attendant proof to make it fact.
I must say, I just hate myself, right now,for getting into arguments with people like you over the most basic, established facts.
Just absolute rock bottom.
All your grade school teachers and university professors must be extremely disappointed with you then.
I made you look like your idiot home schooled cousin ;-)
do you know what a THEORY is? It is NOT a fact. BUY a fucking dictionary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gravity is a theory too - think you can fly?
Gravity is not a theory.
You are correct. They have a theory on what it is and how it is generated. But it is a real phenomenon.
A THEORY is NOT a FACT. YOU NEED TO BUY a FUCKING DICTIONARY. READ IT. If, that is, you are capable of READING and COMPREHENDING WHAT YOU READ.
A THEORY is NOT a FACT
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If the entire crux of your argument is based on the idea that THEORIES shouldn't be considered because they are NOT FACT. then you don't know what the fucking words mean.
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Ummm, you seem...upset...lol.
If you were able to read (which I think you can) and comprehend what you are reading (which I'm not sure of) you will clearly see that it was I who said it was a >>>theory<<<...not a fact.
I even bolded it last night in case you (or anyone) wasn't observant enough to pick it up, which you weren't.
In the beginning there was nothing, then it exploded.
LOL !!!
I found the missing link, finally:
www.missinglink.com
WE are discussing human nature and the meaning of existence, and my wife simply wants to know the quickest route to Walmart and what should we eat for supper. Who is more likely to be successful?
Many Americans believe in the lone gunman theory (Warren commission) and that fires caused the collapse of WTC buildings (9/11 commission report). As they say in Hollywood, no one has ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
Many Americans believe in god - but mostly they have never considered the options - just gone along with the one they were told to.
I don't believe in Osirls, Zeus or Odin.
Same goes for the 2015 year old lie as well.
i am a banker, money is my god. the bank is my church.
usery is the offering plate. bankers evolved to control you with
fiat. our origin was 1913 and your debt is our power to be your money god. you are too damned stupid to figure this out or you would gave joined our church.
ps gold is blasphamy
Cast out all your Au to the devil - if he's not available, I'll take it.
lol
Consider belief in the International Building Code?
Fire resistance - Steel is inherently a noncombustible material. However,when heated to temperatures seen in a fire scenario, the strength and stiffness of the material is significantly reduced. The International Building Code requires steel be enveloped in sufficient fire-resistant materials, increasing overall cost of steel structure buildings.
Maybe Americans are not an exception.
Maybe the stupid curve just doesn't fit the data.
Maybe you must understand the question in each language before interpreting the answers.
Great suggestion!
I'll do that.
I think maybe a lot of Americans are the exception. A lot DO fit the stupid curve.
all organisms adapt or become extinct. change is constant within confins of bioshere which change too. varriance are slow and steady or sudden as with an astroid. never the less, who can predict and know past and future beyod proven science?
homo erectus to current self destructus
Making predictions is difficult...especially about the future. Predicting the past is easier, but not infallible.
There's certainly a bunch of goddamn stupid fucks in the US for sure.
Problem is you can't tell which ones really believe the shit and which ones are hypocrits and making money off it.
Bunch of fucking test tube babies as far as i'm concerned.
My great great great great gransfather was a single cell, then his son was a fish, the fish's son was a monkey, the monkey's son a human. Since we became humans a few generations ago we all became coal miners. We still don't have lights growing out of our foreheads yet. :)
Maybe you should go look in a mirror.
Maybe they took the survey in cities, like Detroit -- and no one knew what evolution meant.
No they probably took the survey in Alabama or Mississippi where they don't even teach evolution.
I wish God was real. That way, all your white trash ancestors would be rotting in hell for what they did to my fellow Americans by making them slaves.
Right, but your man of God and Jesus Christ. Ha, like Jesus would ever side with you on anything.
What I find even more unbelievable is that even rational people knowing evolution is a fact on this board are also racists, which is only a form of cognitive dissonance...as I have zero up votes for my below post.
Very telling of what ZH is.
Did you clear this comment with anyone sober?
The problem is we Americans never ascended. We are still apes.
We never ascended in respect to what motivates us beyond the necessities for survival. We still murder, steal, lie, cheat and human hypocrisy knows no equal.
After generations the fact we are no better morally as some animal forms illustrate that maybe apes are superior.
Omigosh, of all the stupidity in this thread, you're top of the charts.
Your pessimism is showing and everyone knows a pessimist accomplishes nothing because everything is so hopeless.
Animal Planet. Surprisingly Human.
I think it's a regional issue.
You must live in either the Northeast or in California.
The ULTIMATE TRUTH in three pages.
http://www.truthcontest.com/entries/the-present-universal-truth/
Not only does evolution happen over time but studying and exercising changes your DNA.
Everything is Q99X2.
Darwinian evolution is just as ridiculous as the bible's version.
We are genetically modified organisms of extra terrestrials.
Pretty simple. This whole planet is pretty much ignorant of that reality.
and the rock came from a metior and the temperature was correct. agree!
So Prometheus is based on a true story?
scientific facts allow ME to believe it possible. believe whatever float your boat...
maybe god threw the metior,ha...
Americans are morons. Just more proof.
We may be morons but you have to admit we have a sense of humor. Why do all religions lack that quality? Let's find a comedian to found another one.
wb7-yes, we are descending to self anilation. we have hit peak common sense as a whole. death doist part...
NEA and other Teacher's unions should be held responsible for dumbing down our students to the point where they can't make ANY intelligent decisions. Wow! What a legacy!
And at one point the enlightened thought the Earth was flat and the Sun revolved around it.
I wonder if they did lamb skin surveys shouted by the town crier to make fun of Copernicus and his ilk?
Where did the hydrogen come from?
Where is the missing link. Go to Sierra Leone. Average male IQ 59, whole country. 61.
chimps 35.
Negro people, the top 1% IQs are the females.
To be a human you need to have speech.
They have been here 400 years and you can only understand them if you, have the sub titles set to on, on your Matrix Box.
Dolphins have a bigger vocabulary.
A little Neanderthal DNA goes a long way.
I wonder what the average Zero Hedger, aggregate Neanderthal DNA amount is, compared to the average non Dark Continent biped is?
I love anthropology. Which country has the highest IQ. Hint, the higher the IQ the cleaner the country.
If your studying negros you should love ethology and not anthropology.
Where did the hydrogen come from?
Where is the missing link. Go to Sierra Leone. Average male IQ 59, whole country. 61.
chimps 35.
Negro people, the top 1% IQs are the females.
To be a human you need to have speech.
They have been here 400 years and you can only understand them if you, have the sub titles set to on, on your Matrix Box.
Dolphins have a bigger vocabulary.
A little Neanderthal DNA goes a long way.
I wonder what the average Zero Hedger, aggregate Neanderthal DNA amount is, compared to the average non Dark Continent biped is?
I love anthropology. Which country has the highest IQ. Hint, the higher the IQ the cleaner the country.
Nice work incorporating your racism into your brilliant theory on evolution.
Just a pleasure to read.
What is there, like, 10 black people in Idaho? My god man, find another bogeyman.
The man has obviously never been to Africa. I have, for 15 years, and have found most Africans would vastly out-think him.
The average amoeba could do that.
I'd bet a TRILLION dollars he's never been to Africa. I'd bet BILLION dollars he's never even left Idaho.
On a side note, you realize you've reached a low point in your life when you are debating evolution and the moon landing with folks on the internet.
I don't think the level of discourse could possibly get any worse than this.
Europeans have much more Neanderthal DNA - but you don't have any clue at all about anything related to this topic.
So aside from the US, Japan and Turkey (at the bottom), all those countries are Godless Europeans. Most of them are trying to be the US of Europe (aka EU) with a population of similar magnitude to US. So agglomerate them and you have 4 points, Europe, Japan, US and Turkey and no relationship except the 2 groups with less belief in God (Japan and Europe) have higher belief in evolution.
The reason some Folks dont believe in the Moon landy is the Van Allen radiation belt. They had to go through it, and the radiation amount would not be trivial.
Here's a better question, what percentage of ZH's believe in evolution?
I'm guessing somewhere between 10-15%.
It's definitely been on a straight line down since about 2011.
Ever wonder why the proponents of the theory of evolution still call it a theory? If it were fact, they would drop the word theory and call it evolution.
I think they are scared to admit the truth, no one knows the real story of how we came to be, after all the money spent teaching the children the theory is the only way is not honest is it?
You need to learn the scientific definiton of theory.
Ever hear of the theory of gravity?
Or the theory of relativity?
At least back in the day, when people didn't know anything , they kept their mouth's shut and deferred to those who did.
Now, these same people insist on debating established FACTS.
Man,maybe you're right, evolution can't be real. This is like the bizarro world
Best to keep your gob shut when you know nothing about a subject.
Just trying to help.
Rejecting evolution requires repudiation of the core tenets of entire fields of study such as biochemistry, genetics, ecology, paleontology, anatomy, physics, astronomy, geology, cosmology, history and archaeology. What were you good at gym and band?
The God I believe in, isn't short on cash, Mister.
And neither is Bono, the ultimate hypocrite in the entertainment world.
Darwin's thinking was unevolved.
We are wise not to. Macro-evolution is unproven and unprovable. The idea that humans are just apes with trousers does not mix with the idea that individuals are granted individual rights because their Creator granted them rights.
My science teacher in high school presented us with outdated models of evolution not taught in college. When I called him on it he said the actual model doesn't matter - as long as we don't believe in creation. I couldn't see how that differed from blind faith.
It's good that you know your limitations.
My faith and belief in mankind is restored by the comments on ZH. Let humor prevail. We are truly "the glory, jest and riddle of the world.
I believe we are the product of external evolution. I believe Bob Lazar, I believe aliens altered our DNA many time to create what we are today.
Clearly they fucked up somewhere along the line too.